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Trump's White House Counsel Gives Day-Long Testimony to Panel; June Jobs Report Reflects Strong U.S. Labor Market Despite Headwinds; Officials in Ukraine Say a Russian Missile Hit a Residential Area in Kharkiv Injuring Four; Biden Signs Executive Order Aimed at Safeguarding Abortion Rights. Aired 6-7a ET
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BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Buenos dias. Good morning and welcome to your New Day. I'm Boris Sanchez.
JESSICA DEAN, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, everyone. I'm Jessica Dean, former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone spent seven hours with the January 6 committee what we're learning about that testimony and how it could shape future hearings.
SANCHEZ: Plus, new CNN reporting about the Oath Keepers and the insurrection the alleged ambushes that investigators say they were planning explosives brought into the area and the officials they had on a so called deathless.
DEAN: Plus, we have new details in the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. What we're learning about the weapon the suspect used in that attack, plus the reaction coming in from all around the world.
SANCHEZ: And deal or no deal, Elon Musk eager to walk away from his bid to buy Twitter. What Twitter's board might have to say about that.
We're so grateful to have you this Saturday, July 9th. Appreciate you starting your weekend and your morning with us, Jessica. Great to have you.
DEAN: Thanks for having me. It's always good to stop by it and it's been a few hours.
SANCHEZ: yes, quite a few hours.
DEAN: We're going to spend some hours with you.
SANCHEZ: We're going to be all morning. And we start with the January 6 committee's interview with one of its most important witnesses. Former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone testifying before the panel for more than seven hours. A source says that Cipollone provided a great deal of new information. And keep in mind, portions of yesterday's closed-door testimony is going to be made public in upcoming hearings potentially even on Tuesday.
DEAN: Cipollone was among a handful of people who spent time with then President Donald Trump as the riot at the Capitol unfolded, and the committee is trying to determine what Trump was doing and how he reacted to that violence in real time.
Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren says Cipollone, quote, did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses. But she says quote, not contradicting isn't the same as confirming.
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REP. ZOE LOFGREN (D-CA): He could say so and so was wrong, which he did not say. There were things that he might not be present for, or, in some cases couldn't recall with precision. My sense was that he as I say he did appear voluntarily. I think he was candid with the committee. He was careful in his answers, and I believe that he was honest in his answers.
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SANCHEZ: CNN has learned new disturbing allegations about the Oath Keepers and their actions related to January 6. A filing by the Justice Department says at least one member brought explosives to his site just outside the nation's Capitol. Another had a deathless that included election officials in Georgia. That member now denies the allegation. We still have more details on these new developments ahead.
DEAN: It took months of negotiations to get Pat Cipollone to appear under oath before the January 6 committee and sources described the former White House counsel's testimony as very important and extremely helpful.
SANCHEZ: And Cipollone's name came up repeatedly during committee hearings, including during Cassidy Hutchinson's bombshell testimony. CNN congressional correspondent Ryan Nobles has the details for us.
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RYAN NOBLES, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Boris and Jessica, to put it simply, Pat Cipollone may be the most important witness that has come before the January 6 Select Committee up until this point, and he talked to the committee for quite some time and at least seven hours worth of testimony and sources tell us that he was pretty forthcoming that he was cooperative that he had a lot to say and that the committee specifically asked him about his view of the President's conduct at that time and specifically whether or not it was responsible for him to go to the Capitol on January 6.
Now, Cipollone, sources close to Cipollone say, that he did not specifically confirm some of the testimony that we've already heard, for instance, from Cassidy Hutchinson. In fact, they said that he was never even asked whether or not he said to Cassidy Hutchinson, that he and other members of the Trump administration could be in legal trouble if Trump decided to go to the Capitol on that day. They actually said that had Cipollone been asked about that he would have said that that conversation never took place.
Regardless, the committee believes that what Cipollone did provide was very valuable and that we're going to see a lot of this testimony in the coming weeks. They are in general happy with the amount of information that he provided them.
Let's remember that Cipollone was at the center of a lot of what went on, not just on January 6, but in the time leading up to it after the election, right up until that day, and the committee believes that what they were able to produce this day will go a long way to help their investigation. Boris and Jessica.
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SANCHEZ: Ryan, thank you so much. We have new CNN reporting on alleged planning by the Oath Keepers to prepare for violence in the insurrection on January 6. A filing by the Justice Department says that at least one member transported explosives to an area just outside DC and that chapters of the Oath Keepers held training camps focused on military tactics.
DEAN: The filing says another member had a handwritten document with the words death list that included the name of a Georgia election official and their family member. That Oath Keeper member Thomas Caldwell tells CNN quote, the DOJ has claimed that I sought to assassinate election workers is a 100 percent false and disgusting line.
Nine Oath Keepers are charged with seditious conspiracy, and they are scheduled to go on trial in September.
And joining me now is Nicholas Wu, congressional reporter for Politico. Nick, good morning. Always great to see you on a Saturday morning
NICHOLAS WU, POLITICO CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: Likewise, great to see you.
DEAN: Thanks for being here. Now, look, we know that Pat Cipollone was there for hours and hours you were sitting outside sticking that out. You were there for all the hours too. We don't have a ton of details at this point. What do we know?
WU: We do know that this was a very closely held interview. It took months of negotiation to get Cipollone to this point. There were clearly certain parameters around what they could talk about, given his claims of privilege, attorney client and executive privilege.
But what we do know is that this is a huge witness for the January 6 committee as the White House Counsel Cipollone was there for a host of different moments at the end of the Trump administration, where he offered pushback at certain times, and even threatened to resign, whether this was pushing back about -- the push to get Sidney Powell as a special counsel to investigate election fraud, or the PA (ph) to install alternate slates of electors. Cipollone was their forte and this was something that he could talk about.
DEAN: So clearly, this is a key witness. If the committee had really wanted to have under oath, he had kind of done an informal talk with them before. Help underscore for people how significant it is that he appeared before them to testify under oath, and that he sat there for some eight hours yesterday.
WU: It took a long time to get to this point, this informal interview that you mentioned happened back in April. And it doesn't appear that was recorded. But this interview yesterday, he was there all day, except for a roughly half a dozen or so sidebar conversations where we would see him come out with his attorneys and go off to a room and talk about something potentially out of earshot of the committee. But this interview was transcribed. It was videotaped. And this is something that the committee will very likely use in its upcoming hearings.
DEAN: And we know my colleagues who are covering this have reported that indicates his testimony provided, quote, a great deal of new information, which further underscores President Trump's supreme dereliction of duty, that's what a source told them.
And we're told that the committee is going to focus in on a lot of this testimony in the coming days. We have these hearings next week. What do you think we can expect the role of this testimony to play in the next week or so?
WU: Well, one source close to this committee told us that it was very helpful, and we were likely to see some of this footage. In the next few hearings, one is going to be about the convergence between Trump's orbit and these far right extremist groups. And the other one will be on the roughly three hours or so at the White House that Trump did not act during the insurrection. And this is something that Cipollone might be able to speak to.
DEAN: Right. And they're really zeroing in on that, you know, really trying to paint this picture, you know, moment by moment, section by section and now really focusing in on these extremist groups and any connection they had to the President in his orbit. Right?
WU: Exactly. This is something that the committee has taken an interest in for quite some time. The Tuesday's hearing is expected to be led by among others, Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland. And he's talking about how they want to look at even if there's not an explicit link between Trump's orbit and these foreign groups, the Three Percenters the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, they're going to look at the somewhat looser links, the convergence between all that leading up to January 6.
And so as a result, we might expect to hear a lot about Roger Stone, the former Trump advisor who had close ties to many of these groups.
DEAN: Right and we had Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren on our air. She's, of course, a democratic committee member.
And we played the clip of her earlier, but she essentially said, which was asked if he had confirmed Cassidy Hutchinson, the White House aides testimony, she said he didn't contradict it. But she said contradicting is not the same as confirming. What do you make of that?
WU: It's usually very careful statement about the testimony. Congresswoman Lofgren is someone who is very judicious in how she speaks about testimony from witnesses. And I'm very careful about it. And I mean, she is someone who's trying not to give too much away about it.
But this speaks to the approach that the committee's taken in interviewing these witnesses. They're using them to connect the dots in a lot of ways. You might have heard about when I come from someone or from several people, and then you go to another witness and ask about it. And that might have been the way they talked with Cipollone.
DEAN: Right. And that was actually the last question I wanted to ask you about, which was just how nimble this committee has been able to be, how they've been able to evolve once they get a little more information. And they, again, or look to your use your words are trying to connect the dots, how has that ability to kind of evolve with what in real time with the information they're getting benefited them do you think?
WU: Well, this reaction to new information is something that the committee has stressed all along. So remember, at one point, there were supposed to be seven hearings in June, laying out all their findings. Well, that plan changed a little bit. They pushed to have those hearings into July. We had the surprise emergency hearing with Cassidy Hutchinson and the Chairman has always talked about how as new information comes in, their schedule is flexible, whether that's new witnesses. They're still getting documents from the National Archives. They're still engaged in court battles with several of Trump's allies.
And so they still have a final report extracted sometime in the fall, but there is the very real possibility that they could add more hearings before then.
DEAN: All right, we shall see. Nicholas Wu from POLITICO thanks so much for being with us this morning.
WU: Thanks for having me.
DEAN: Good to see you.
SANCHEZ: So the White House is touting President Biden's economic policies after the U.S. labor market added 372,000 jobs in June. That's far exceeding expectations, and slightly easing fears of a coming recession. Unemployment still heavy -- held steady, I should say at 3.6 percent. And labor secretary Morty Walsh says the Biden administration is pacing itself to avoid an economic slowdown.
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MARTY WALSH, U.S. LABOR SECRETARY: If President is not taking a wait and see approach, but I think literally this is a kind of month by month approach to see how we're moving forward. So I don't want to say we're going to be in a recession, because we're doing everything we can to get our economy and bring inflationary costs down.
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SANCHEZ: But these gains are still being outpaced by sky high inflation and slowing wage growth. Let's bring in CNN Rahel Solomon for a breakdown on this latest jobs report.
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RAHEL SOLOMON, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Boris, Jessica, if we're heading toward a recession, no one told the job market. Friday's report confirming the labor market remains very strong. U.S. economy added 372,000 jobs in the month of June, well above expectations, and the unemployment rate held steady at 3.6 percent.
Job loss and recessions tend to go hand in hand. And we're not seeing signs just yet of a weakening in the labor market, but at a time when inflation is at 40 year highs. The report has some economists concern that continued job growth like this makes the Feds job of fighting inflation even harder. Demand for workers has already been incredibly strong.
There are about 1.9 job openings for every person looking, so some companies are raising wages to attract workers. That's good news except if we're in a situation where inflation is outpacing wage growth.
So essentially, you're making more but can afford less. It's a vicious cycle. The Fed has made clear its focus is bringing down inflation when the Fed raises rates and makes borrowing more expensive and consumers and businesses tend to spend less bringing down demand and ideally prices.
The Fed is expected to continue to raise interest rates in the months ahead. Some welcome news for the Fed in the shops report. Wage growth has actually slowed in the past several months still high, but moderating suggesting that the overheating in the labor market may be beginning to cool, and that could lead inflation lower. We learn a lot more on the inflation front when the federal government releases a key inflation report on Wednesday. Boris, Jessica.
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SANCHEZ: Rahel, thank you so much. Still ahead. Funeral plans have been announced for former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe after his shocking assassination. We have new details this morning about the homemade weapon the suspect used in the attack.
Plus, lawmakers are back on the Hill next week for the first time since that landmark decision on Roe vs. Wade and the deadly mass shooting in Illinois over the Fourth of July how that could shape their plans and messaging heading into the midterms.
Plus, Elon Musk says he wants out of his deal to buy Twitter. His reasons for attempting to walk away from the deal and the threat coming from Twitter's board in response. New Day's back after a quick break.
SANCHEZ: The body of slain former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is back in Tokyo today. Abe's body arrived in his hometown accompanied by his wife following his assassination in the western city of Nora while he was making a campaign speech. As you saw in the video, there are hundreds of people lined up on the street to witness the procession.
DEAN: Funeral services will take place Monday and Tuesday. In the meantime, police investigating the killing searched the home of the suspected gunman. CNN's Paula Hancocks is in Tokyo with more on the suspect, including police reports that he made multiple types of guns. Paula, what else do you know this morning?
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jessica and Boris, we are hearing more from police they say that the weapon he did you use on Friday was a homemade gun.
And they said that when they went to his apartment on Friday afternoon to search it, they found a number of other homemade weapons. They say some had three pipes, some had five, some had six. The one he used appears to have had two metal pipes that were brought together with a black sticky tape. And we understand from police, according to NHK that he actually used the most powerful weapon of those that he is believed to have made in order to carry out this attack.
Now it is a nation in shocked and I'm standing just outside Shinzo Abe's house here in Tokyo and throughout the afternoon, there have been people coming here that knew him to pay their respects. And as you say on Monday, there will be a wake on Tuesday, a funeral, which NHK says at this point is believed to be a private affair with family and with those who knew him well.
But when it comes to the suspect himself, we have heard from police that he did not try and run away after he carried out this attack in broad daylight at 11:30 in the morning, as Shinzo Abe was making an election campaign speech. You can see from the video, you will -- you hear two shots, and you then see smoke followed by Shinzo Abe on the ground.
Now we understand 20 medical professionals were trying to save his life according to medical efficient officials, but he died from loss of blood they could not stem the bleeding. They say that one of the bullets had penetrated so far that it was almost at his heart catastrophic injuries for the former prime minister. So, what is happening now is the suspect is being questioned. He has admitted to what he has done. He did not try and run away. According to police through NHK, he also said that he believes Shinzo Abe was affiliated to a group that he did not agree with. Now there's no indication or no clarification as to what that group was. But certainly that is something they're looking at closely.
SANCHEZ: A shocking moment in Japan. Paula Hancocks, thank you so much.
Tributes for Shinzo Abe from around the world are being held and in Geneva, Switzerland, UN ambassadors honored him with a moment of silence.
DEAN: And in Taiwan the landmark Taipei 101 Building lit up with messages thanking Abe for his friendship. Flags will fly half-staff on Monday. CNN senior international correspondent Will Ripley is in Taipei with more on the remembrances and obvious global influence well.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jessica. Hi, Boris. Yes, here in Taiwan. It's not just Taipei 101 that's paying tribute to the late Japanese prime minister. The Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen has ordered flags across the island to be flown at half-staff on Monday to remember someone that the Taiwanese view really as a champion for them, someone who has encouraged the United States to signal more openly that it would come to Taiwan's defense if China were to try to take back the self-governing Island. It's an issue that Shinzo Abe spoke about extensively in interviews even after stepping down from his role as prime minister at the beginning of the Coronavirus pandemic in 2020.
It was not just though, here in Taiwan, where his loss is being felt very acutely. Shinzo Abe just his first year he put it into context visited almost 50 countries. He built relationships and put Japan on a global stage perhaps unlike any other Prime Minister that Japan has seen. Not only was he the longest serving Prime Minister, but he was truly a household name.
And not just inside Japan, he was known around the world visiting with American presidents from Barack Obama and former President Trump to, you know, also interacting with leaders in the Europe and the Middle East, in Africa. And of course, Asia here as well.
He even was the first Japanese premier in many years to meet with the Chinese President Xi Jinping an attempt to men really frosty relations that continue to deteriorate given the fact that Japan is closely allied with the United States and the U.S.-China relationship remains very fraught.
So certainly, it's a huge loss as people start to shift from the shock into the grief and the remembrance. And those messages continue to flow in from around the world to the Japanese people that their former prime minister will be sorely missed. Jessica, Boris.
SANCHEZ: President Biden pointing out that even at the moment of his tragic death, Shinzo Abe was engaged in the work of democracy. Will Ripley, thank you so much for that.
DEAN: Also this morning we're following a developing story out of Ukraine. A Russian missile attack on a residential area in Kharkiv has injured several people there.
SANCHEZ: We have a team that just arrived on the scene we're going to take you there live in just minutes.
DEAN: Ukrainian authorities say a Russian missile attack in Kharkiv has injured at least four people and officials say that attack targeted a residential area of the city.
SANCHEZ: CNN's national security correspondent Alex Marquardt is on the ground in Kharkiv. Alex, what are you seeing this morning?
ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning Boris and Jessica. This is what it looks and feels like these days to live in Ukraine's second biggest city. It was a beautiful Saturday morning here in Kharkiv until 10:00 when the sound of a huge explosion just tore across the city and this is where that Russian strike happened. Just look at the size of this missile strike. It left a huge crater in one of the most central areas of the city.
This is one of the most central strikes in recent weeks. This we are in the inside courtyard of a two-storey residential building. The force of the blast taking down the two floors of that house right there.
We're told by a neighbor that the family that lives there, thankfully, had left, they now live in Germany. And the authorities are saying that no one was killed in the strike. There are, however, as you mentioned, several wounded. One of them was a woman who lived right over there. She was caught under the rubble, and she actually called her daughter from under that rubble before she was taken away by rescuers to the hospital.
We met her daughter when we got here to the scene. She was understandably very troubled. She was on the phone with her mother, she was picking up things for her mother to take to the hospital, her wheelchair, some clothes, and her pet bird. But Boris and Jessica, this is really just one example of what is -- of the kinds of attacks that are falling all across Ukraine.
And we have seen a significant spike in the shelling in the southern city of Mykolaiv where there's heavy fighting between the Russian and Ukrainian sides, and then just south of us in Donetsk where we are expecting the Russians to make a major push in the near future. There has been -- there has been a real uptick in the Russian attacks there.
We're told by local authorities in Donetsk that at least five people were killed today in those Russian strikes in the eastern province of Donetsk. Boris, Jessica?
BORIS SANCHEZ, CO-ANCHOR, NEW DAY WEEKEND: Later this morning, we're going to take a closer look at the internal debate at the White House about getting arms to the Ukrainians. That is later this morning for now. Alex Marquardt reporting on the ground in Kharkiv, thank you. You and the crew stay safe.
Back in the nation's capital, the Senate returns on Monday after a two-week recess, and they have a lot on their plate.
JESSICA DEAN, CO-ANCHOR, NEW DAY WEEKEND: Yes, this is the first time lawmakers have been back at work since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, and also since that horrible mass shooting in Highland Park, Illinois, on the 4th of July left seven dead and dozens injured. CNN's congressional reporter Daniella Diaz joining us now. Daniella, what are they going to be up to when they get back?
DANIELLA DIAZ, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know this, Jessica, as a congressional correspondent, that the first thing they plan to do is continue to work on that climate and spending bill that Senate Majority leader is trying to strike a deal with Senator Joe Manchin on. Of course, a more small piecemeal version of the Build Back Better legislation that of course, Manchin failed.
He struck down last December when he said he wouldn't support it. So they're going to continue working on that. But really, what we're going to hear a lot about this week is the filibuster, and whether Senator Joe Manchin and Senator Kyrsten Sinema, those two, staunch opponents of nuking the filibuster are going to change their minds on that legislature -- oh, excuse, those Senate rules, so that they could possibly codify Roe v. Wade.
That is a priority for progressive Democrats in the Senate, that is something that Democrats want to see happen. But those two continue to oppose nuking the filibuster, changing those Senate rules, but we expect that to be a renewed conversation since as you said, this will be the first time we see the Senate when they come back.
After that two-week recess, they left the night before the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade, that ruling. So, will be -- it will be the first time we see them.
DEAN: Yes, and they've both maintained very clearly they are not changing their views on nuking the filibuster, but it will be part of the conversation this week, that's for sure.
SANCHEZ: And Daniella, obviously, with President Biden essentially signing that executive order yesterday, trying to protect abortion access. He has admitted that he can do nothing without some kind of congressional action in terms of a nationwide constitutional right to abortion. How does this play into the midterm elections because this is, as he says, on the ballot.
DIAZ: Exactly. And look, the house is actually working, they have a majority of Democrats. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is going to put a set of bills on the floor this week, that would address Roe v. Wade. However, again, as I just mentioned, it's likely to go nowhere in the Senate. But because the midterms is coming up and it's crunch time, that's why they want to put a series of bills on the floor to show voters that they want to do something on Roe v. Wade.
And that they're trying, even though it's likely that anything will happen in the Senate again because of the filibuster, there needs to be at least 60 votes for legislation to advance in the Senate. Ten Republicans needed with all Democrats, and it's unlikely they will even get 10 Republicans on anything to codify Roe v. Wade in the Senate.
But that's not stopping house Democrats from putting a series of bills on the floor this week, that will codify Roe v. Wade, one. Of course, to do that, another, that will give a woman a right to travel to seek an abortion.
And they're also going to address that Highland Park shooting that took place during that two-week recess with a bill that would create an amber alert system, should there be a shooter in the area, that bill to be debated this week as well in an effort to show voters that they're going to do something about this. But again, can't emphasize enough, it's like there will be no votes on this in the Senate.
DEAN: Yes --
SANCHEZ: Symbolic, yes, essentially --
DEAN: That's it. It's a messaging vote --
SANCHEZ: Yes --
DEAN: And a 50-50 Senate, we get a lot of messaging votes out of that.
DIAZ: They're trying.
DEAN: All right, Daniella Diaz, thanks so much. Well, coming up next, the latest on the investigation of the Highland Park shooting.
SANCHEZ: The gunman charged with seven counts of murder. And there are questions raised about whether his father holds any responsibility. Joey Jackson joins us live for a legal discussion just moments away.
DEAN: Here's a quick check now of some of the other top stories we are following this morning. Tesla founder Elon Musk has told Twitter he wants out of his $44 billion deal to buy the company.
[06:40:00] In a regulatory filing released yesterday, a lawyer representing Musk
accused Twitter of breaching multiple provisions of the original deal. In response to the filing, Twitter board Chair Bret Taylor said in a tweet, the company would be pursuing legal action to enforce the merger.
This is the latest in a whirlwind relationship between the business titan and the tech giant with Musk becoming the company's biggest shareholder, then turning down a board seat and finally agreeing to buy the social media platform before raising doubts about that deal.
SANCHEZ: The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has announced it fully approved both Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccines for kids, ages, 12 through 15. This is the first COVID-19 vaccine approved for this age group, and until now, it had only been approved for emergency use because the FDA was still testing the safety of the shot. The vaccine of course has been approved for anyone age 16 and older since last August.
DEAN: Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein's confidant Ghislaine Maxwell has filed an appeal for her conviction and federal prison sentence. Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison for a long-time scheme with Epstein to groom and sexually abuse underage girls. Maxwell's attorneys have maintained her innocence since her 2020 arrest, arguing Maxwell has been a scapegoat for prosecutors in the wake of Epstein's 2019 suicide.
SANCHEZ: The suspect in Monday's mass shooting at a parade in Highland Park, Illinois, which left seven dead and more than two dozen injured, has been charged with seven counts of first degree murder. If convicted, he could face a mandatory life sentence. And prosecutors say there are still more charges to come. Let's dig deeper now with CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Joey Jackson.
Joey, good morning, always grateful to have your expertise on. So, here's the timeline. In April of 2019, police rushed to the suspect's home because he attempted suicide. A few months later in September, he apparently tells people he's going to kill his entire family. Police respond to that, but then in December, his dad sponsors his application to buy guns. Officials in Lake County, though, say that does not make the father criminally liable. How?
JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Boris, good morning to you, good to be with you. I'm not so sure that, that statement is an accurate one. Why do I say that? I think it's certainly important to hold everyone accountable. You know, in crimes, when you look at what you need to charge, you look at the state of mind, people think about murders and those type things as intentional crimes.
And certainly, as it relates to the shooter, it was. It was evil, despicable, should not have occurred. But I think prosecutors have to look, also be on the shooter to look and hold accountable anyone else who might have facilitated that occurring. When you look, Boris, for example, in Michigan, right? You look at Ethan Crumbley and the real -- just what he did to that school with regard to killing four students and, you know, just injuring seven others. And you look not only at his prosecution, but his parents, Jennifer
and James Crumbley being held accountable. You might ask how that's the case. It's the case because you look to the issue of recklessness, and prosecutors there said enough is enough. What they said there was that, in the event that you know of the maladies and the mental state and the level of violence that could be inflicted and you make a gun available, we're going to hold you two accountable.
And that would be significant deterrence. Toggling back by analogy to this specific case, I think those same things apply. If you look at the timeline, Boris, it's troubling indeed. To the extent that you have for example police called to the home, it's been reported about two dozen times for this shooter. You have on one occasion, the police taking 16 knives, a dagger and a sword. You have the issue of him attempting to kill himself, you have the issue of him attempting or at least threatening to kill others, and then you sponsor the application.
if that's not recklessness within the meaning of the law, within the meaning of a voluntary manslaughter, I am hard-pressed to know what is. And so, I think they should be, that as prosecutors are looking to see how he, the father, can be accountable.
SANCHEZ: Here is what the father told "ABC News" this week. Listen.
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ROBERT CRIMO JR., FATHER OF PARADE SHOOTER ROBERT CRIMO III: Making threats to the family, I feel it was taken out of context, where it's like just a child outbursts, whatever he was upset about.
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SANCHEZ: Joey, if you're prosecuting this case, how do you discern between, you know, a childish outburst and a threat from someone who clearly is dangerous?
JACKSON: So, I think that people can spin how they want to spin. Clearly, it's in the father's interest to spin now with respect to childish outburst. I would just ask the following question. Do childish outbursts get the police to come to the home? Do childish outbursts get weapons taken outside of the home, right?
To the extent that people need to feel safe? Do childish outbursts lead to calling the police in the first instance, right? Those are all questions of fact that have to be really meted out, but I think prosecutors really have to look at this particular time at everyone who really facilitated, dealt with, and anybody involved, right, as it relates to a shooter. Not only that particular person, but who really laid the foundation?
Was it foreseeable? How do you sponsor an application for your son under these conditions and circumstances, knowing the danger that your son represents? We could talk about other breakdowns for example, whether he did -- whether he was, that is Mr. Crimo, the shooter, a clear and present danger, whether that application could have been approved, separate issue.
But how do you as the father do that and then say, oh, childish outbursts, nothing to see here, I did nothing wrong, we pray for the families. I just think we have to do more. This provides an opportunity to do just that. I think a prosecution sets that stage and I think it sets the example in these mass shootings that we're seeing too much really for other prosecutors to do something about.
SANCHEZ: There were so many missed signals in this case. It's got to be infuriating for everyone involved that was hurt in that parade to hear the father's words. Joey Jackson, as always, appreciate you.
JACKSON: Always. Thank you, Boris.
SANCHEZ: Of course.
DEAN: Meantime, as an 8-year-old shooting victim fights for his life in the hospital, his favorite baseball team is honoring him in a special way. We've got details in sports, that's next.
DEAN: The Milwaukee Brewers paid a special tribute to 8-year-old Cooper Roberts who was paralyzed during the mass shooting in Highland Park, Illinois.
SANCHEZ: Let's bring in Coy Wire with the details. And Coy, the Brewers really wanted to do something special for a special fan.
COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Cooper, Boris and Jessica, a big-time sports fan and a Brewers fan even though, he only lives about an hour -- a half hour rather from the Cubs home Wrigley Field. Cooper went to his first baseball game at American Family Field in Milwaukee last week, and the Brewers, they showed their support for their fan by hanging a jersey with the number 22 and his last name Roberts in the dugout.
They say it will be there all weekend long. Roberts is still recovering from a spinal cord injury suffered in the Highland Park parade shooting, he's now paralyzed from the waist down. Now, Manager Craig Counsell says it's the least the team can do for their special fan. Listen.
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CRAIG COUNSELL, MANAGER, MILWAUKEE BREWERS: We're happy he's a Brewer fan. And we want to recognize that and then let their family know that we're thinking about him. You can't imagine the strength to go through something like that is, you know, unimaginable. And we're doing such a small thing, but hopefully it can maybe make one part of the day for him all the better.
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WIRE: Now, Brewers gave their all for Cooper last night, down to the final play, Josh Hader gives up a hit to Daniel Vogelbach, but one run score is they're still up one, though, Kevin Newman spinning home to tie it up, Willy Adames' throw is on point like decimals. Catcher Victor Caratini pegging the Pirates' leg for the out. It's a hard- fought win for the Brew crew, 4-3, that hopefully makes Cooper proud.
Now to Seattle, we go for another electrifying finish. This game would go to 11 innings. But Eugenio Suarez says no more. The 30-year-old Venezuelan crushing the three-run bomb to silence the Blue Jays and walk it off. It's Suarez's 208th career home run, but his first-ever walk-off homer. And before this game, Jessica and Boris, Suarez told his wife that if he hit a home run, he's going to dedicate it to her. Ad boy, did he come through.
All right, not all walk-offs are created equal. And the Reds proved it last night, bottom of the tenth, home plate umpire Edwin Moscoso says that Rays relief Matt Wisler flinched after being sent, so he calls him for a balk. All runners advance, and that means game is over. The Reds balk it off. Reds Manager David Bell said afterwards even he didn't see the balk, but he'll take the win and the fireworks.
All right, now to Wimbledon where Novak Djokovic's reign as king of the grass course continues. The world number one dropping the first set to British sensation Cam Norrie but rallies the win in four sets. He's going to face the flamboyant Australian Nick Kyrgios who is playing in his first Grand Slam final. And on the women's side, a pair of first-time Grand Slam finalists meeting in a historic match today.
Three seed Ons Jabeur, the first Arab woman to play in a major final, taking on Elena Rybakina in the first-ever play representing Kazakhstan to do the same. All right, we know Steph Curry can score from anywhere on the court, but what about his range on the golf course? How about from 97 yards out, a football field away.
Hit a little long, he puts a little back spin on it and it goes in. The newly minted NBA finals MVP showing off at the American Century Championship in Nevada. The G.O.A.T gets an eagle, and gets some love from his brother and his dad. You know, golf is an easy game, it's just really hard to play, Boris and Jessica. But some people make it look easy.
DEAN: They certainly do.
SANCHEZ: Lethal from downtown on the court --
WIRE: Anywhere --
SANCHEZ: And apparently on a golf course, too, Jeez, Coy Wire, thank you so much.
WIRE: You got it.
SANCHEZ: So there's a major heat wave that's gripping much of the United States. Millions are under warnings this weekend as dangerous temperatures continue to soar. We have your weekend forecast and what you need to know to stay safe when we come back.
SANCHEZ: CNN has a special new show this Summer that explores the diverse land, marine, and wildlife of Patagonia's desert coast.
DEAN: A new series "PATAGONIA: LIFE ON THE EDGE OF THE WORLD" looks at one of the last wild regions on earth and the effects of climate change.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family has perfected an ingenious way to hunt here. First, they swim sideways to hide their telltale dorsal fins. The seals have no idea that these six-ton killers are so close. Then the orca do something extraordinary. They beach themselves.
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DEAN: Beautiful. "PATAGONIA: LIFE ON THE EDGE OF THE WORLD" premieres tomorrow night at 9:00 only here on CNN.