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King Charles III Publicly Proclaimed As U.K. Monarch; Trump, DOJ Offer Dueling Proposals For Special Master Review; Biden Urging Americans To Get Updated COVID-19 Booster Shots. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired September 10, 2022 - 07:00   ET



RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR: And the whole, the whole --



FOSTER: Oh, here we go now.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whereas, it has pleased to Almighty God to call his mercy, our late sovereign lady, Queen Elizabeth II. A blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease, the crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is solely and rightfully come to the Prince Charles Philip Arthur George.

We, therefore, the Lord spiritual and temporal of this realm, and two members of the House of Commons, together with other members of her late Majesty's Privy Council, and representatives of the realms and territories, aldermen, and citizens of London, and others, do now hereby with one voice and consent of tongue and heart, population proclaim that the Prince Charles Philip, Arthur, George is now by the death of our late sovereign, have happy memories become our only lawful and rightful leaves Lord, Charles III, by the grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and his other realms and territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, defender of the faith, to whom we do acknowledge all faith and obedience with humble affection.

Beseeching God, by whom kings and queens do reign, to bless His Majesty with long and happy years to reign over us.

Given it's in James's Palace, this 10th day of September, in the year of our Lord, 2022. God save the King.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the King.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three chairs for His Majesty, the King. Hep, hep!



















DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: And that is the second proclamation now being read and you saw the trumpeters, the first -- that's at the Royal Exchange in London. The first was at St. James Palace this morning. And so, there here is, and now we have more to come.

QUEST: Yes, you already see, Don. Now, can you get yourself round all these, these royal things?

FOSTER: And those are constitutional experts.

QUEST: Yes, absolutely.

LEMON: Yes, you're right. There will be some chants of God save the King.


This, this basic, this now moves around the nation. So, Edinburgh Cardiff and Belfast but also around the Commonwealth. So, at the moment that proclamation is being sent out to ambassadors to anyone and you know, high, high lift tenants, lord tenants. QUEST: And then, you'll end up having in realms, it will be sent to realms and it will be read in various parliaments around the world. Governor General's will read it. And this is the transfer of sovereignty.

LEMON: But the same proclamation read at every point.

QUEST: That what we heard an hour ago at St. James's Palace, what the proclamation that Penny Morden, and go all went through that they all then signed, is now being transmitted to these different venues to as Max put it, to tell him that there's a new king.

They're not approving anything. They're not agreeing to anything. They are being told -- this has happened by the people who made it.

FOSTER: A nobleman would traditionally do that, so they're saying that you're the guy in charge in your area is supporting the king by reading it out.

LEMON: As I was so educated yesterday by Max Foster, St. James's is, which is the American version of that the official British way to say it is. St. James, St. James's --

FOSTER: It was St. Paul's.

LEMON: St. Paul's, yes, so -- St. Paul. And how is it (INAUDIBLE).

FOSTER: St. Paul is rather than St. Paul.

QUEST: Right. Just the way we say the because we take it as the deviation. You can do it, Don.


QUEST: The, there is a, there's not a matter of levity. But there is an air of gravity and expectation, because this is a new era. That's something that you, one has to understand. Yes, the funeral will be sad, somber and all of this, but this is about the future. This is about what will Charles be like, what will a country be like? How will the issues of republicanism be done amongst the various realms? So very much forward looking what we're seeing today. The new monarch, Prince, you can still call him Prince William because he's Prince William, the Prince of Wales.

LEMON: Calling the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge.

QUEST: He had to use both of them, Cornwall and Cambridge.

LEMON: (INAUDIBLE), well, now.

QUEST: The so when judge is Cornwall and Cambridge.

FOSTER: Yes, so when he got Cornwall on the death of the Queen, that was automatic, and exceeded to Cambridge. So, it's Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge. He hasn't lost Cambridge.

QUEST: And remember, we never used to use Duke of Cambridge.

LEMON: You're being very British right now, but go on.

QUEST: Well, no, because remember, Camilla, didn't take the title Princess of Wales, she was.

FOSTER: She hasn't, though.

QUEST: Of course, she did.

LEMON: She didn't use it -- it hasn't really been used.

QUEST: Right, so we got used to this idea of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. Well, now it's Kate, Katherine, but Katherine will use the phrase Princess of Wales. So, I don't know we're going to hear too much or too much of Duke and Duchess of Cornwall.


QUEST: It will be Prince, Prince of Wales. Katherine, Princess of Wales.

FOSTER: Taking on that title. And that is, that's a real responsibility considering who she used it.

I spoke to someone about that close to Kate's. And she said she's aware of it, but she's going to try to make it her own. What do you think that means?

FOSTER: I think it means don't expect me to be Diana.

QUEST: What do you think of -- sorry to, would you think listen, what do you think -- sorry, what do you think, Meghan and Harry's children now can have titles?

LEMON: No, don't go there.

QUEST: Why --

FOSTER: Yes, you keep going there. I don't know if that's -- OK. So, my understanding is that Lilibet and Archie automatically become Prince and Princess, because their grandfather is King.

QUEST: Let us pass --

FOSTER: On whether or not that's correct, or whether they're going to use it, and this is because of the Oprah interview where Megan suggested that the family were changing the rules to mean that Archie wouldn't have a title.

QUEST: So, that will be huge if they do bearing in mind.

LEMON: Yes, let me ask you this and that want to be in a proper name. I think it's an important question is this, is this moment, is this has happened an as you have been saying that Prince William and King Charles, Max, the two houses so to speak, they've been working together. Is this sort of the moment that they're going to look to as a palate cleanser, so to speak, or at least as something that sort of propels them into the future, a more modern monarchy?


FOSTER: I think they've accepted, I think it was the Sussexes, and the crisis around that, that brought them together, because they had to respond to things, and so they came together to advise the Queen on how to respond and everything. The Queen has final sign off, but my impression was that nothing got signed off unless all three of them were signed off. It's a very political place, the royal world, there are different households.

So, you know, moment you have the, you did have the Queen's household, Buckingham Palace. Charles, and Camilla, which is (INAUDIBLE) house, Kensington Palace, which was King William, and then he also had the Sussex household as well. And what they do is they appoint their private secretaries. And then there's a whole tranche of structure underneath that. And they, you know, the common link is the family, but the structure is beneath them.

Our independence and tension inevitably build. And typically, someone wants to do an engagement on a particular day. And then the other person has already arranged something, how do they deal with that? And then, someone wrote to the other person, that's where the tension comes from. So, I think that structurally, it's always got a built-in tension, hasn't it?

LEMON: You call it Feudalism earlier.

QUEST: Well, because not only do you have the principles, if you like, the prince and princesses and all those, but you've got their senior people, the private secretaries, the undersecretary is the treasures. And the crucial part about those is they're power brokers. They are aiming for power, you know, which, which household are you with? And are you up or down in the power structure of the royal family and it can become bitter and quite vile?


QUEST: When the households go into the water each other -- it's happened. I mean, there were the most difficult time Weren't they? Whether it all completely broke down, and then they try to reach you get what you have now. So, the Queen has gone and Harry's gone. So, you've gone from four households to two. So, hopefully they would find it easier to coordinate.

LEMON: What Diana during you know, Diana pass -- I mean, that was a whole royal family realized that they needed to pivot, that they needed to come into the future. There was a, obviously, some explaining to do as well why it took them so long to put, even put the flags at half-staff.

QUEST: But notice how the Queen did it? Even to the point was there, I standing on the streets the day the funeral come right. She came out of that gate behind us. She stood outside. Diana's coffin went by and she bowed her head. She gave that speech from that window up there at Buckingham Palace where she said: "What I say to you today, I say as your queen and as a grandmother." This was groundbreaking stuff back in 1997.

FOSTER: And to talk to a funeral. I mean, people you'll remember the Diana's funeral. That wasn't a state funeral. That was something that they created for her. We hadn't had a state funeral what the last one had been Mountbatten.

QUEST: Yes, I mean, I --

FOSTER: I'm used to --

QUEST: -- they come close to it.

FOSTER: Can't imagine whatever it look.

LEMON: I think the week is when it happened. The moment it happened. I believe the family, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe they were at (INAUDIBLE) --


LEMON: -- when it happened? Yes, stay for a week. The flags have not been lowered. And I remember, Prince William and the Queen coming back into coming back to Buckingham Palace, the car stopped in front of the gates, the Queen got out. And I think both of them were surprised by the number of people who were here at Buckingham Palace, and the flowers. And I think they were surprised and she's, you know, addressed the crowd and then looked around, nodded her head, and then walked into those gates. And I think they realized, oh, something needs to change here.

FOSTER: Fox special I did the other night, I spoke to Lord Janvrin, who was the Private Secretary, who informed the Queen and Charles and the boys that the mother, her mother, Diana, had died. And his, his narrative is certainly that she was aware that she was head of state, but she prioritized the boys and the family. And the backlash from that was, you know, polling numbers sinking and the modern monarchy falling to its lowest point probably, that we know.

And she, it's not that she made a decision to do that. But it was a, you could call it a mistake in the sense that she shouldn't prioritize, and we would expect her to prioritize the public. I don't, I think the jury's out on that. I think she was aware of what she was doing. And also, Tony Blair was giving us so much grief about coming down. And she wasn't, didn't want to be told what to do.

LEMON: So, but here we are, more than two decades past and so we're in this moment now and we have a new King and we have Queen, who had rained for 70 years now pass, and we're --

FOSTER: And we're still using muskets.

LEMON: And we're still using muskets, and we're back here --

FOSTER: And spears.

LEMON: At Buckingham Palace, where people are having been camped out, waiting to see the --

QUEST: How long will they continue.

LEMON: Campers can't wait to see the new king and we may get a glimpse of a new king shortly. So, reminders that how far this goes back and how ingrained it is in our psyche.


QUEST: But what's a beautiful confluence between this very traditional, ancient things that we're seeing today. But a king, who is absolutely, Don, at the forefront of modern thinking on things like the environment and climate change.

LEMON: What's he going to change? Environment, climate change, but also, as we've had this discussion yesterday, you, Max, with Christiane Amanpour, also when it comes to race, and ethnicity, and inclusion, and diversity.

FOSTER: It's a priority for him as other Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Rwanda. And he, it was, the whole meeting was a build up to his speech, which is where he expressed sorrow for slavery. He'd done it previously in Barbados, and Prince William has spoken about it as well. This is going to be, I think one of his, could be a defining, it could choose to use that as a defining element of his kingship. Where he accepts, is the king --

QUEST: And there's no mistaking, they turn right so they could be coming past us anytime now. They're coming down the mall, we will see the King if they're coming down behind us, I believe.

LEMON: Yes, and we can hear the crowd in the distance roaring, so they're getting closer to Buckingham Palace. This is the king preparing for his audiences at the palace today.

And he will be to our right, just behind us in moments, but you're looking at pictures now of the new King. Bigger crowds it'd be interested to hear what the reception will be and how he feels about that. So, there is close and the crowd is excited about it.

This is the most important moment today for the crowd. The most important moment, obviously was the signing of the proclamation but --

QUEST: The car, the car has the royal standard on the roof.

LEMON: Meaning?

QUEST: It's the monarch. And the car, he is not only using the feathers of the Prince of Wales.

LEMON: And there he is.

QUEST: There it is. LEMON: Just over our shoulder.

FOSTER: King Charles III, returning to Buckingham Palace for a series of audiences with key members of government

and church and senior figures as he gets to know the job of the South the longest apprenticeship, but any heir to the throne in the United Kingdom. So, he's got, had time to get ready. I think one of the key differences between him and his mother is that she didn't have any apprenticeship at all and had to learn on the job. What does this mean for the people in the car?

QUEST: I think that they I don't think they really know what they're feeling. I think they're confused by the death of the Queen. They're sort of wondering what will happen next. And they come down here just to be part of it and try to understand it. I saw a great tweet that said, I'm feeling something but I don't know what it is.


QUEST: And I think lot of British people feel, I'm feeling something. And look, I'm glad to be back in Britain for this.

LEMON: You're expressing what I said earlier, when I said I don't want to read anything into this but this somehow feels because there are two things happening here either it's, it's a funeral, it's a death, and we have a new king. So, that's, that's the sentiment I was trying to convey --

FOSTER: People don't know whether they should be excited about him. But that's the whole point of the of this this juxtaposition between the somber and sad of saying goodbye to the previous and the excitement and intrigue for what will come with the new reign. Remember when Elizabeth took over, there was a new Elizabethan reign, a different era.

LEMON: When she was young and Phillip was exciting, wasn't he as well? There is an issue that they're going to have, which is how the country regards being having a mother once again, the geriatric or elderly pensionable monarch. I mean, most people his age are retired obviously.


LEMON: And he's just got his job. Yes, and he said yesterday until he plans to do it until as long as DoD will, will keep him on this earth, which means there's no application which means as long as he's alive, William will not be king. I mean, that could change but that's what --

FOSTER: I mean, absolutely, one of the most common questions we get asked is will he skip? Can we skip Charles go to William? Neither of them want that, so no.

QUEST: But it might be an inopportune or inappropriate to talk about it today, but how he decides? How long he decides, because he had a very good life before, and he loves his wife and his home at high (INAUDIBLE), and all the causes. So, does he do 10-15 years and then retire as a modern monarch would?

LEMON: Yes, but I would say, let's not get ahead of ourselves and remain in the moment now, because this is a very important moment to the people of this country, and especially the people who were standing here really, for the commonwealth. The folks here wanted to get a glimpse of the new king; they want to see him. Actually, I think this is an indicator of, the sort of anticipation of what is going to be hoping that he becomes that he leans into the job that he grows into the job, and he becomes the king, that they want, the king in a modern era.


FOSTER: I think there's an argument to be said that he is -- young people can relate to him, because the issues that he cares about, young people also care about. And if you connect with them through that, that would be really important. Because it's younger people that matter more than older people, arguably, because they're the ones that really defined the tone of the nation. You can't really change the mind of a lot of older people who were anti-Charles, in his early days, anti-Camilla because of the affair. But you can convince younger people that you're a good guy. And I think that's what he should do.

LEMON: That was the thrust of the conversation that I was having when we talked about, you know, we talked about diversity and race. And also, Richard, when I asked you about this whole idea of being political and seeing climate change, because I don't think younger people see climate change as a political issue, they see this unnecessary issue. And that's this king will have to take on those issues.

QUEST: He will take on those issues, and he's not going to shift his position on them. But you will not be able to come out and say the sorts of things he's done, for example, about the relationship with business to climate change. Where the, the -- he because, let's just say the government doesn't agree with a particular limit that's been agreed, or whatever, in some international conference, he's going to have to back the government. He can't come out and say, I don't agree.

LEMON: Does he have to?


LEMON: But you said, there, there's been tension between prime ministers and monarchy before? Why, why, why can there not be any tension between the king and the government?

QUEST: There will be and it nearly blows up. And if it does blow up, the person who usually loses, ultimately, with a monarch.

FOSTER: I think that the story about Thatcher having tension was really that she saw a lot of wasted time, these audiences with the queen and why am I doing it?

QUEST: There were three things with Thatcher there was the obviously apartheid and sanctions in South Africa. There was also the council tax, handles the miners' strike. So, there were lots of issues with Margaret Thatcher and the monarch to the point where apparently one audience, we don't know this because no one was in the room. She made Thatcher stand for the whole audience.

LEMON: Two proclamations of a new king today and the folks waiting outside of Buckingham Palace got what they want to, want it today, they got a glimpse of a new king. Will there be another? There's much more to come here on CNN. Don't go anywhere.



LEMON: Welcome back now to CNN's special coverage. We are following the pomp and pageantry in the United Kingdom as King Charles III is officially proclaimed the new King of England and the head of the Commonwealth. All of this is happening as the U.K. begins to look toward a new era with Charles III, King Charles III, I should say. So, joining me now is Sally Bedell Smith is a CNN Contributor and the Author of "Elizabeth, The Queen." Sally, thank you so much for joining us. Good morning to you.

SALLY BEDELL SMITH, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You're welcome. Good morning.

LEMON: The significance of what we're seeing really, really cannot be overrated. Your thoughts watching this all play out?

SMITH: Well, it's such a traditional ceremony and a series of ceremonies really, and I couldn't help thinking back to the history and when the now late Queen had her own exemption Council. First of all, they were all men in the room. And, and she was in, she was in a very emotional state. She had arrived home from Kenya, she and the Duke of Edenborough had arrived at the airport, they had been greeted by her Prime Minister Winston Churchill and all the other officials.

And then it was two days later that she had her Accession Council and, and they did the proclamation and all of that but she mostly wanted to see her late father. So, she and, and the Duke of Edenborough almost immediately went Sandringham. So, they didn't see anything of this. This all occurred in February, it was very cold. All the, all the soldiers were wearing great, great and, and then going further back to her own father's accession and proclamation.

Unfortunately, or his, his wife, Queen Elizabeth was ill in bed that day and so she couldn't be there. Although, when, when the proclamation was read, little Elizabeth and her sister Margaret and her father, King George, George VI, then Queen Mary, their grandmother, their 84-year-old grandmother who had greeted who -- their grandmother. They all watched from across the way and then going back even further 11 months earlier.


The controversial King Edward VIII, was seeing through a window of watching the proclamation with his mistress, Wallace Simpson and a few people in the crowd blows. And this is not, this is an ominous development. People are beginning to talk, and little did they know that 11 months later, that particular king would abdicate in shame. So, you know, there is a -- the recent history of this really impressive and beautiful ceremony had some rather dark overtones.

And so, I think it's, it's worth noting that the queen who just -- who just died, she was actually after she read her oath and the duke of Edinburgh let her out, she was in tears. So, it was a highly emotional moment for her. She obviously had not been with her father when he died in the middle of the night in Sandringham.

She had been in Kenya, the 19-hour flight, and it raised home and arrived on the seventh. And all of this took place on the following day. And she was mostly interested in getting back to Norfolk.

DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Yes, there is a -- listen, always drama when it -- when it comes to the royal family, as I said to last night to one of my colleagues here on CNN that America didn't really, you know, have the mark, or we weren't the only place that where there's reality T.V. drama playing out. I think the royal family is the first reality T.V. that we saw happening, especially when you look at the Diana-era.

But you're taking us back into history here. The first time we were looking inside of St. James's Palace, and looking at as my colleagues, Max Foster, and Richard Quest pointed out, you don't often get to see that particular throne.

It hasn't really been in the spotlight since Queen Elizabeth was crowned. This is the first time all of this is being televised.


LEMON: How has this opened up really the monarchy to an entire new generation of people?

SMITH: Well, I think it was very important to televise it, as you say, it never allow that technology didn't really exist. But it's, you know, it is a very vital part of the early days of the new -- the new monarch. And I think it was -- it was fascinating to see what has always been done behind closed doors.

You know, there were -- there were images of -- I mean, an images, but there, you know, there was reality that the new queen had been weeping. And there is the reality that when her father did the accession ceremony, he was -- he looked striking, he was pale, he was drawn. You know, he was -- he was shocked by what had just happened.

His older brother had abdicated and he had the weight of this responsibility, thrust on his shoulders. And so, those kinds of things were never seen by the public, but they were exceedingly dramatic.

LEMON: As King Charles III takes his place on the throne, what do you anticipate he does to set the tone of his reign and really build his own legacy, Sally?

SMITH: Well, I think what we're seeing now is an image of dignity, no, appropriate solemnity. This is really his day, but it's not a day that he would be expected to celebrate. I think it was important, as had been the case with his mother when the duke of Edinburgh was there, to have Camilla there. The new queen to have the Prince of Wales, right there. I think the emphasis there was on continuity.

He is -- William is the next king. And I think you're going to see, you know, a great deal of emphasis on his role. So I think, you know, it remains to be seen how Charles marks out his role. But he is adhering on this day and in the days to come to, you know, a great deal of tradition that is ingrained and entwined in the -- in the whole principle and of the monarchy.

LEMON: Yes. King Charles III talked about his -- and thanked his mother, Queen Elizabeth for preparing him for this role. You know, I -- listen, all the hours are sort of melding together here.


LEMON: I'm not sure if I spoke to you about this yesterday, Sally. So, forgive me.

SMITH: You may have.

LEMON: What stood out -- what stood out to you as you had been watching, you know, him, make his announcement yesterday and just over the past couple of days? What stood out to you?

SMITH: Well, I think his speech yesterday really hit all the right notes. He paid emotional tribute to his mother, you know. And we


Yesterday really hit all the right notes. He paid emotional tribute to his mother. You know, and we saw -- I mean, people who have seen it makes me just before knew that he would, he would perform very well.

He knows how to give a dramatic speech, which is not to say that it was insincere in any way. He was clearly feeling a lot of emotion at the loss of his mother. He later told Liz Truss that it was a day he'd been dreading.

You know, we saw in him -- we saw willingness to show his emotions. We know that when his mother -- you know, when his mother took over, she felt emotions and people around her saw them. But in this case, the whole world saw him in a -- in a really emotional state.

LEMON: Sally Bedell Smith, as always, thank you very much. We'll be seeing you throughout the coming days here on CNN. We really appreciate it.

SMITH: You're welcome. My pleasure.

LEMON: And we'll be right back, everyone.


[07:40:25] AMARA WALKER, CNN ANCHOR (on camera): Good morning and welcome back. We have been following all the developments out of the U.K. as King Charles becomes the new face of the monarch.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (on camera): Yes, we're going to continue to bring you updates throughout the morning. But we also want to get you caught up on some of the stories we're following here at home.

Lawyers for former President Trump and the Department of Justice are facing off yet again. They're at odds over who is going to conduct a third party review of the documents that were seized from Trump's Mar- a-Lago estate.

WALKER: Now, each side has submitted two names of possible special masters. The two legal teams are also at odds over how the review process will unfold. Details from CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (on camera): The Justice Department and Donald Trump's lawyers filed dueling proposals to a federal judge, outlining a third party review of more than 11,000 pages of documents that were seized in the FBI search of the Trump resort home in Florida last month.

PEREZ (voice-over): The two sides each provided two names of lawyers who they want the judge to appoint as special master, a third party lawyer who would help determine whether the items were properly seized by the FBI.

Federal prosecutors provided the names of two retired federal judges, Thomas Griffith, a George W. Bush nominee and Barbara Jones, a Clinton nominee.

Jones served as special master in several high profile cases including the investigation of Rudy Giuliani and the case of Michael Cohen.

Trump's two possible choices for special master are Paul Huck Jr. a former Deputy Attorney General in Florida, who served alongside Chris Kise, Trump's lawyer in this case. And Judge Raymond Dearie, a Reagan appointee in Brooklyn federal court.

Dearie served on the FISA Court and he approved one of the FBI surveillance warrants of Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, which the Justice Department later was forced to withdraw because of serious errors and omissions.

The two sides agree on almost nothing. The Justice Department wants to complete the review in about five weeks setting an October 17th deadline, and Trump wants three months.

The government wants to block the special master from reviewing classified documents and wants no consideration of Trump's claim of executive privilege. And Trump wants all the documents to be reviewed for privilege, and prosecutors say that Trump should pay the cost of the special master.

Trump says that the two sides should split the cost.

PEREZ: Judge Aileen Cannon has said that she will rule quickly after receiving Friday's filing from the two sides. Also, in the coming days the judge is weighing a request from the Justice Department to restore the FBI's access to about 100 classified documents, which she blocked in an earlier order.

If she doesn't, federal prosecutors say that they plan to appeal to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals next Thursday.

Evan Perez, CNN, Washington.

SANCHEZ: Let's expand the conversation now with former federal prosecutor and defense attorney Shan Wu.

Shan always great seeing you bright and early. Let's start with the nominees for special master of the Justice Department, putting forward two retired federal judges, Thomas Griffith and Barbara Jones. Do those names stand out to you?

SHAN WU, CNN LEGAL ANALYST (on camera): Well, they are both respected judges. Jones, in particular, has experienced more recently overseeing, I think it was the Giuliani search of the law firm, and possibly the Cohen one, too.

So that would make a lot of sense. But of course, that very much is in line with DOJ wanting to limit whatever the special master does. If one is appointed, they don't even think you need one just to the attorney client privilege issues, and is really continuing to fight back against this idea of expanding it to having a special master look at executive privilege. As well, Griffith, Thom was well-known in D.C. and is a respected jurist.

SANCHEZ: And separately, Trump's team proposing two names of their own, Judge Raymond Dearie, attorney Paul Huck Jr. Curious to get your thoughts on those names and ultimately, how you think whoever gets picked will influence the case.

WU: Yes, I would say those picks by the Trump team are more obviously partisan picks. I mean, there has been some reporting on what their ties are, obviously, as Evan was just reporting to the Trump team, and I think, you know, the question for the judge here is in many ways is less who they pick I think if they pick one of the Trump people, you know, DOJ really has to push back even harder on the choice there and could cause some complications in that when they can't decide. The judge has to decide and whether that itself becomes the basis for the appeal.

I think the really question -- the bigger question over why all this is this -- all these filings about the special master, it's become like a proxy war really, for the question of expansion of what I turned to be like an imperial presidency.

Interesting, juxtaposition this morning, as we watched a new monarch being installed. Here in Florida, there is really a fight to imbue Trump with imperial-like powers. And even after leaving the presidency, he should still be holding this ability to use executive privilege to help define it.

And it's hard to really get across how unprecedented it is for a Court even to be considering this kind of an issue with executive privilege to this degree, much less basically subcontracting out to a third party, to make these potentially momentous, legally significant decisions.

SANCHEZ: Well, I wanted you to expand on that. We just had, for a moment there the disagreements between DOJ and the Trump team. We'll get into those disagreements in a moment.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): But first, there's the possibility that the special master decision may be overturned. The DOJ has appealed it you outlined some of the reasons why their arguments. How do you anticipate that process of appeals going to play out?

WU: Well, I think the first step is they'd actually asked Judge Cannon to stay herself and allow this review to continue for the narrow universe of declassified documents, pointing out that it's a fallacy that she allowed the intelligence review to go on, while stopping the investigative teams access these documents because they need to work with these documents to help in the intelligence review and to help find out what has happened to the documents.

So, assuming that she does not agree with them and stay that, then they'll be asking the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to stay that decision as part of the overall appeal.

A little hard to say. It's a very clever, well targeted filing by DOJ. I think the Court of Appeals might agree with the stay on the classified issue. On the bigger question of whether a special master should be appointed altogether, I'm not so sure they'll find a receptive audience with that conservative court of appeals and may certainly yet be headed to the Supreme Court.

SANCHEZ: And quickly Shan, on the disagreements about who is going to pay for this DOJ wants all the expenses to be paid by the Trump team. The Trump senior team says we should go Dutch on it. How do you think that plays out?

WU: I suspect the judge may split the baby on that one that haven't go Dutch on it. But I certainly hear DOJ's point which is, hey, we weren't asking for this. You want it, you ought to pay for it.

And it's important to note, this is really more in the context of a civil suit where it would make sense to be talking about the fee sharing kind of and the cost sharing and who should bear it. You wouldn't really see that coming up too much in a purely criminal investigation.

So, there is a lot about this as looking more like a civil dispute.

SANCHEZ: Fascinating, Shan Wu, always appreciate your insight. Thanks.

WU: Good to see you.

SANCHEZ: Thanks.

WALKER: With fall and the winter months just around the corner, President Biden is urging Americans to get their updated COVID-19 vaccination shots. Latest numbers show only about a third of the country has received a booster shot. The White House says its goal is for everyone to get protected against COVID-19 with a greater focus on rural communities, people of color and those older than 50. For more now, joining us is CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen. She is an emergency physician and former Baltimore City Health Commissioner. Dr. Wen it's always good to see you.

So, let's get straight to it. Who should be getting a vaccine booster now versus those who should wait?

DR. LEANA WEN, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: Well, individuals who are older with chronic medical conditions, if it's been at least two months since your last vaccine, you are eligible to receive the updated booster now. And I would urge those individuals to get the booster as soon as possible for enhanced protection.

In addition, if you have not had COVID, a recent coronavirus, and you have not had any COVID vaccine this year in 2022. And you're an adult of any age. I would also encourage you to get the new boosters sooner rather than later.

Those who could wait are individuals who are just recovering from the coronavirus. You have a period of about three months, maybe even a little bit longer, where reinfection is very unlikely and there may actually be some advantage to letting your body produce antibodies after infection.

So, those individuals, if you just had COVID, could wait about three months prior to getting the updated booster.


WALKER: And what would you say to people who are kind of, you know, not over COVID-19, but are kind of more relaxed about it, and say, well, you know, Omicron -- I've been, you know, sickened by Omicron, it hasn't caused severe disease. Why do I need a booster? What would you say to them?

WEN: Well, what I would say is that both things can be true at once. It is definitely true that we're in a different point of the pandemic than we were prior to vaccines becoming widely available.

Also, many people most people have had COVID At this point, and so are well protected from severe illness by virtue of having had COVID and also being vaccinated. So, it is true that COVID is a very different illness compared to what it was before.

But that said, we still want to reduce the chance further of severe illness, of being out of work, or being unable to care for our children. And so, having that an updated booster will won't give us enhanced protection, especially coming into the winter. And so, I think both things can be true at once. We can go about our daily lives, much more so that we were able to before, but we should also get the booster.

And I think switching to a cadence that's similar to the flu has some advantages because people are used to getting the flu vaccine every year and so knowing that the COVID vaccine is something that most Americans will get once a year. I think that also helps to reset the expectation for how we think about the Coronavirus going forward.

WALKER: Yes, and living with it, right? Because Dr. Fauci did say that, you know, as possible, we will be needing an annual COVID-19 vaccination.

Dr. Wen, in your latest Washington Post op-ed, you say the most crucial part of the latest CDC recommendation is them simplifying the booster terminology. What do you mean by that? And why is that so important?

WEN: Previously, you were considered to be up to date with your vaccines if you had a certain number of booster doses. And it was getting confusing. It was 50 and older needed two boosters, but people under 50, one booster. Or what have you got the Johnson and Johnson, one dose vaccine? We were counting the number of shots, which isn't the way that this is done for the flu vaccine.

Every year for the flu vaccine, and you are told, you should get the updated flu vaccine. It doesn't matter if it's your first vaccine or your 50th. We're not counting the total number, but whether you got the updated vaccine, that is how we should be looking at COVID going forward.

And so, simplifying that terminology is important. And I think having eventually we don't have this yet. But eventually, I hope that there will be a combined flu COVID shot, because that would also helped to simplify the administration. And we can make use of flu clinics and other things that already exist to increase uptake of both the COVID vaccine as well as the flu vaccine.

WALKER: I definitely prefer one shot over two jabs. That's for sure. Good. Good take on that. Dr. Leana Wen, great to see you. Thank you.

WEN: Thank you.

SANCHEZ: So, we're going to take you back to London in just a moment, as King Charles the third is formally announced as Queen Elizabeth successor.

The late monarch remains at Balmoral, her home away from home.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): CNN is live in Scotland, just moments away. Stay with us.


[10:55:09] LEMON: People across the U.K. are grieving along with the royal family and at Balmoral Castle in Scotland, where Queen Elizabeth -- excuse me, Queen Elizabeth spent her final moments, tearful mourners are placing flowers or leaving messages of thanks to the queen and condolences to the royal family.

I'm going to go now to CNN's Isa Soares, who joins me now from Balmoral.

Isa, is Balmoral, the queen -- it was the queen's beloved home. What are people there are telling you as they gather to mourn?

ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Don. Well, it's a beautiful, sunny, sunny day here in Balmoral, in Scotland. And as you can see behind me, there's a long line of people waiting to pay tribute and pay their respects, of course, to the late queen, a woman of course, who was held so in such high esteem in Scotland, as indeed, all around the world.

I'm joined here by one lady, her name was Lillian (ph), as who's in line. I took her out of line, I'm hoping she won't get too mad for losing her spot.

Lillian, what was your, why do you -- why is it so important for you to be here today?

LILLIAN (PH), IN LINE TO PAY TRIBUTE TOO QUEEN ELIZABETH II: Because she came here so often, that she became part of the Scottish history. And obviously, I'm Scottish and that we looked upon as mostly our queen, as sorry England. Son lives in England, so, I'm not saying anything. It's just really looked upon.

When we come up the road to snow, I just simply say, put up beautiful borders, as I've traveled a few times. It just is so beautiful lady, lovely (INAUDIBLE), and obviously she enjoyed it.

SOARES: She did enjoy. She felt very much herself. It's very much at home here.

You were telling me earlier that you heard -- that you had the King's speech. What did you make of it?

LILLIAN: Very good. Very good for Charles. No, I didn't expect that, that he did a very good job.

SOARES: And you think he will be a good king?

LILLIAN: I think so. I think so. I have a wee bit, like more still -- you have reservations because they're new to the job.


LILLIAN: But the, I think having a mother like he had, that I think he'll -- he will be all right.

SOARES: Lillian, really appreciate you taking the time to speak to us. And thank you for giving up your place in the queue.

LILLIAN: (INAUDIBLE) that's all right. Thank you very much, indeed.

SOARES: And Don, of course, this we're expecting this to be the last day that really -- that the late queen will be in residence, will be here in Balmoral. We're expecting her coffin to be moved from Balmoral to Edinburgh .That is expected to take place tomorrow, Don.

LEMON: All right, Isa, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Much, much more of our special coverage from Buckingham Palace right after this.