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Trump Slams Mitch McConnell During Rally In Iowa; New Study: Children As Likely As Adults To Contract COVID; Plane Evacuated At New York's LaGuardia Airport; Evaluating The Role Of Social Media In Our Lives; William Shatner Set To Travel To Edge Of Space Aboard Blue Origin; "Diana" Premieres Tonight. Aired 7-8a ET
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Beijing has long claimed the self- governing island as its own territory for more than 70 years, since the end of China's Civil War. Taiwan points out that they've never been ruled by the communist party of China and they say they plan to keep it that way, putting their military on full display here -- Boris, Laura.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. And welcome to your NEW DAY. I'm Boris Sanchez.
LAURA JARRETT, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Laura Jarrett, in for Christi Paul this Sunday.
SANCHEZ: Good morning, Laura.
Donald Trump is back on the attack. The former president taking the stage in Iowa, ripping into all sorts of targets, including former allies like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
JARRETT: And despite promising signs in the fight against COVID, one of the nation's top doctors has those still holding on getting their vaccines need a reset in their thinking.
SANCHEZ: Plus, a scary situation in the sky, an erratic passenger forcing an American Eagle flight to make an emergency landing at LaGuardia airport. We have the details.
JARRETT: Plus, "Star Trek" actor William Shatner gets ready for liftoff. We'll talk to arm former astronaut who knows what it's like and we'll get his thoughts on the future of space tourism.
SANCHEZ: We're so grateful that you woke up with us this Sunday, October 10th.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Laura, always a pleasure to have you.
JARRETT: So great to be with you. I had so much fun yesterday I thought I'll just come back and do it again.
SANCHEZ: Why not? Let's do it again.
So, let's start with the big news from last night, Donald Trump riling up a crowd in Iowa. Listen to this.
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SANCHEZ: Kind of a glitch in the sound bite but you got the picture, the crowd chanting "USA" Trump taking aim, lashing out. He's going after Democrats, the media and former allies like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. He urged Republicans to unit against President Biden's economic agenda.
JARRETT: That's right. There were grievances and there were lies. Some of them about the 2020 election, but also a moment of honesty. Trump admitting he's frustrated that McConnell didn't participate in his attempted coup.
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DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Mitch McConnell didn't have the courage to challenge the election. He's only a leader because he raises a lot of money, and he gives it to senators. That's the only thing he's got. That's his only form of leadership. He should have challenged the election.
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SANCHEZ: CNN's senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns has the highlights from Trump's rally.
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Another huge crowd, another Saturday night. This scene is becoming more familiar to Americans all over the country as the former president of the United States held another rally to spread the lies, the fabrications, the grievances, but also to boost candidates he supports in the midterm elections.
What was different about this rally is that it was in Iowa, the first in the nation caucus state. Candidates traditionally come here to Iowa even if they haven't announced they're running for president, just to tests the political waters. Donald Trump has not announced he's running for the White House again. However he did dangle that possibility, even mentioning a recent poll here in the state of Iowa that shows that he's more popular now than when he left office.
TRUMP: While your all-time favorite president -- this is a negative poll for Trump. They don't like me too much, but we can't complain I guess, is at a record high, 53 percent approval. Which for -- which for a radical left newspaper is not bad, right?
JOHNS: Trump spent a significant amount of time repeating the baseless lies that he won the last election. However, one of the things he did not talk about is the Biden administration's decision not to block a tranche of Trump's records from being delivered to the House Select Committee investigating January 6th.
Laura and Boris, back to you.
SANCHEZ: Joe Johns, thank you for that report.
Trump did have some harsh words for Mitch McConnell at the Iowa rally and McConnell is getting slammed by fellow Republicans for cooperating on a temporary fix to the debt ceiling.
Congressional reporter Daniella Diaz joins us live from Capitol Hill now.
Daniella, there's been some tension between Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell before.
These attacks seemed a little bit sharper than they've been in the past.
Have we heard from the minority leader's office on this?
DANIELLA DIAZ, CNN CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: We have not yet, Boris. But look this is not the first time that former President Donald Trump has slammed Minority Leader McConnell.
McConnell's priority is to try to win back the Senate majority in the midterms. These are the things he's concerned with, and, you know, like I said, this is not the first time Trump has attacked him and he doesn't always respond.
So, unclear right now how he will respond, but a little bit on what Trump said. He slammed McConnell for blinking to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on the debt ceiling. You know, this week they reached an agreement, the two leaders of each party in the Senate, reached an agreement to suspend the debt ceiling until early December.
Of course, this came after Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was warning that unless Congress acted the nation would default on its debt on October 18th which was have disastrous results on the economy.
So, as a result, McConnell stepped in. That's how he puts it, and tried to help, although he did warn he's not going to help Democrats again. He sent a letter to Joe Biden on Friday saying that exactly.
But look, take a listen to what former President Donald Trump said about McConnell blinking on this agreement for the debt ceiling.
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TRUMP: This bill is a sinister combination of job killing tax hikes and woke fascism that will destroy our nation, and to think that we had 11 Republicans go along with an extension. Headed up by Mitch McConnell. Can you believe that? Mitch McConnell.
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DIAZ: So you're hearing him slam not only McConnell but the 11 Republicans that voted to advance this bill that would suspend the debt ceiling until December.
And, you know, he's not the only Republican leader to have criticized McConnell. Some conservatives in the Senate also criticized McConnell for blinking that includes Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz. They were really disappointed that McConnell decided after weeks of saying he wasn't going to help Democrat with the debt ceiling, that he would help and blinked and reached an agreement with Schumer.
So, the bottom line, lots of party infighting in the Republican Party this weekend -- Boris and Laura.
JARRETT: It's never a boring day. Thank you, Daniella.
SANCHEZ: Thanks so much.
Shifting now to the COVID pandemic. Younger children may soon be eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine. On Thursday, Pfizer officially applied for emergency use authorization for its vaccine in kids ages 5 to 11.
A new study published Friday in the journal "JAMA Pediatrics" found that kids are almost as likely as adults to become infected with the coronavirus, but kids only showed symptoms about half the time.
Here with us to discuss is the co-director of the pediatric infectious disease division at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, Dr. David Kimberlin.
Dr. Kimberlin, we appreciate having you this morning. I want to get your reaction to this new JAMA Pediatrics study, kids just as likely to get as infected as adults but half as likely to show symptoms.
Put that in greater context of what it means?
DR. DAVID KIMBERLIN, CO-DIRECTOR, UAB & CHILDREN'S OF ALABAMA DIV. OF PEDIATRIC INFECTIOUS DIEASES: It's similar to things we've been recognizing for a long time now through this pandemic. Children early on were understood to really not be impacted as much as older adults, and I think that was a true statement.
I think it remains to some extent a true statement as well, but what this pediatric study adds to this equation and other studies prior to that is that children are not untouched by the COVID pandemic or the COVID disease themselves. They do get infected and they can spread it to others. That's why it's important to get to a point of having an authorized vaccine for 5 to 11-year-olds.
SANCHEZ: It's a great point. Despite that potential game-changing advance of having a vaccine for young kids, some parents have expressed hesitancy to get their kids vaccinated.
I want to play sound from the National Institutes of Health director, Dr. Francis Collins, his message to parents weighing whether to vaccinate their kids. Listen.
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DR. FRANCIS COLLINS, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH: Come on, parents. Look at the data, figure out what's best for your kid, and then try to make a decision based on that evidence, not something that somebody told you based on some crazy rumor. There's too many of those.
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SANCHEZ: What would you say to a parent that might be hesitant to get their kid vaccinated?
KIMBERLIN: Well, I would point out what I think the parent probably likely knows already, they have a partner in this, their partner is their pediatrician, and they can go to their pediatrician, someone they've been working with for months and years with their child's health.
And they can ask her, what do you recommend? And what the pediatrician is going to say is, if the vaccine is authorized for 5 through 11 years old, she's going to say get your child vaccinated.
So, it's not all on every parent's individual shoulders figure out exactly what all the data show. I mean that's why they can rely on someone who has been to medical school and already been in practice for many years. They can go to their pediatrician and have that conversation and then get their child vaccinated.
SANCHEZ: So, Doctor, notably, vaccinations among adolescents from 12 to 17 are lagging in comparison to other age groups and in southern states like yours, those numbers get worse. In your mind, what needs to be done to perhaps change some of those attitudes, specifically in Southern states?
KIMBERLIN: We need to keep having conversations like this. We need to keep having information put out -- correct information, appropriate information for families to be receiving and to be analyzing, thinking about utilizing as they make decisions for their teenagers in the case of 12 through 17-year-olds.
I was on service in the middle part of September here at our large children's hospital and we mostly had adolescents being admitted to the intensive care unit, to be on ventilators, ECMO, and to a person they were unvaccinated. That just does not have to be. And, of course, the guilt that parents carry with that as they sit by their child's bedside as they struggle to breathe from COVID or are on a breathing machine because of COVID and yet they know it could have been prevented.
Those are the stories that we need other parents to hear so that they make a choice prior to that happening and they never actually meet someone like me which would be ideal.
SANCHEZ: Yeah, sadly, often, what changes minds is a tragic example of someone who is unvaccinated. Doctor, how might school mandates play into this? Are they a good idea to pursue?
KIMBERLIN: I think that what we need to do is keep our eye on what the ultimate goal is. The goal is to be done with this pandemic. The way we reach that goal is by having everyone or as many as possible be immune to the virus. The way we achieve that is through vaccines.
So, then the question becomes, how do we get more people vaccinated? If there's a way to do it without a mandate, great. All that matters is getting to the goal.
Right now, though, at least in my region of the country, we have not seen really pretty much any kind of significant advance in vaccination rates and that's with everyone saying, you know, let's just keep it voluntary. Well, I think the burden's really on them to say if it doesn't -- if we don't go to mandates and stays a voluntary kind of thing, how you going to change it? How are you going to get to the point of higher vaccination percentages?
And right now, I do think mandates are having -- I think the data showed this, having the positive you effect we need of getting more people immune to the virus. If that doesn't happen, if we don't get enough people immune to the virus we will have this happening over and over and over again. We're going to have the same thing happen in 2022 that happened in 2021 and 2023 and 2024.
We've got to do something different and mandates are one of the things on the table that could potentially get us there.
SANCHEZ: As you noted, having conversations like this. We appreciate your perspective and time. Dr. David Kimberlin, thank you so much.
KIMBERLIN: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: Of course.
Coming up, we'll tell you why some passengers were forced to evacuate their plane after a security incident and an emergency landing at New York's LaGuardia airport.
JARRETT: And how often do you find yourself doom scrolling on social media? When social media goes wrong. Ahead, we'll talk to a specialist in addiction medicine who says the smartphone is the modern day hypodermic needle.
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SANCHEZ: A sigh of relief for passengers at LaGuardia International Airport. Things back to normal after a plane was forced to make an emergency landing because of a passenger disturbance.
JARRETT: Yes. Thankfully all is well, but officials say the passenger has been taken into custody for questioning.
CNN correspondent Polo Sandoval has more on this.
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That plane was wheels down safely yesterday afternoon about its scheduled arrival time. The landing itself, it was anything but routine.
All you have to do is look at some of these dramatic images that were captured by passengers after American flight 4817 landed safely at New York LaGuardia yesterday afternoon flying from Indianapolis to New York City when towards the tail end of a flight according to investigators there were several people aboard that flight that reported one of their fellow passengers was acting strangely, erratic, at one point suddenly reached for their luggage.
The crew aboard the plane relayed that information down to first responders on the ground that scrambled into action waiting for the safe landing of that airplane. It was not long after it landed that the pilots then moved the aircraft from the active runway on to the taxi way and that's when that emergency evacuation took place. The goal there was for first responders to board the aircraft and make sure there was no immediate threat.
As we see some of these pretty dramatic images it's important to remember it's still unclear as to whether or not that person that is seen in that video is that passenger in question and we haven't been told if there have been criminal charges that have been filed in connection to this. We know that 76 passengers and six crew members are safe this morning as this investigation gets under way.
It's important to point out this is also happening days after the Federal Aviation Administration released brand new number of incidents involving unruly passengers.
Now over 4600 this year to date, and that is, according to authorities, the highest weekly increase in two and a half months. The issue of unruly passengers has been something that has certainly been heavy on the minds of U.S. authorities that have been trying to cut down on that. In terms of this latest incident that took place Saturday afternoon, we tell you the investigation is just getting started.
Polo Sandoval, CNN, New York.
JARRETT: Polo, thank you so much for that.
To California now, and the city of San Jose has passed a resolution apologizing for its, quote, role in acts of discrimination against the Chinese immigrant community and descends.
SANCHEZ: Yeah, a resolution acknowledges a deliberately set fire in San Jose's Chinatown in 1887 after the city council declared the area a public nuisance and health hazard. Homes, businesses and an entire community was destroyed because of xenophobia.
CNN's Natasha Chen has more on San Jose's path to making amends.
NATASHA CHEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This ceremony late last month in San Jose, California, marked a moment more than 130 years in the making.
MAYOR SAM LICCARDO, SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA: The city of San Jose apologizes to all Chinese immigrants and their descendents who came to San Jose and were victims of systemic and institutional racism.
CHEN: As parts of the city's attempts to combat rising anti-Asian hate during the pandemic, this formal apology acknowledges San Jose's role in passing anti-Chinese policy in the late 1800s, including a declaration of Chinatown as a public nuisance, issuing orders for residents to lead, leading to an arson in May of 1887 that destroyed the thriving community of 1,400 people.
CONNIE YOUNG YU, LOCAL HISTORIAN: We are walking on the site of market street of Chinatown.
CHEN: Connie Young Yu's grandfather was a teenager who emigrated from China to San Jose.
YU: There was this feeling already that Chinatown was -- that they would have to leave. I don't think they expected a fire.
CHEN: "The San Francisco Daily Examiner" reported on the fire calling it, quote, San Jose's joy. Young Yu says her grandfather was working in the fields that day.
YU: He could see smoke. This was really a fence of doom because after the fire, then what? Are they going to come after the individuals?
CHEN: She described how her grandfather used to be chased, had rocks thrown at him, echoing some of the anti-Asian attacks during the pandemic.
PAUL PERALEZ, COUNCILMEMBER, SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA: We were hearing rhetoric coming down from our federal government as w know, that was encouraging the hate and hate crimes that were occurring.
CHEN: Councilmember Raul Peralez says similarly, city leadership in the 1880s set the tone for anti-Chinese attacks then, all with the backdrop of the U.S. Chinese Exclusion Act passed to prevent Chinese immigrants from becoming citizens.
PERALEZ: I was not aware of how bad it got and through this process, we have been able to expose that.
CHEN: The city even denied permits for rebuilding after the fire, though subsequent Chinatown's eventually emerged.
About 100 years later during the construction of this hotel, the fair month, people discovered artifacts that had survived the fire, a painful reminder of the city's past.
GERRYE WONG, FOUNDER, CHINESE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PROJECT IN SAN JOSE: They found what life was like. They obviously had toothbrushes, they had kitchen utensils, they even had whiskey bottles.
CHEN: When these pieces were founds the Chinese historical project formed, with Gerrye Wong at the helm.
WONG: Finding pieces like this was like opening a horizon of what was life like for those people.
CHEN: The museum shows a timeline of San Jose's five Chinatowns. After the arson, the Chinese rebounded into a new community called highland. This museum building is a replica of the last standing structure from that final Chinatown. Only this altar is original.
That neighborhood today is full of construction cranes. The new development will include a park named after highland at a time when anti-Asian hate has surfaced again, that gesture along with the city's resolution and apology mean more to the community than a piece of paper.
This is a record of the city's role in promoting a real climate of hate against the Chinese immigrants.
YU: Also a record of resistance.
CHEN: A story of rebuilding and repairing.
YU: It's a sense of overcoming.
CHEN: Natasha Chen, CNN, San Jose, California.
SANCHEZ: Excellent reporting from Natasha, thank you for that.
Some heavy rains and strong winds, some of the severe weather expected in parts of Texas and Oklahoma today. We'll walk you through the forecast in just a few minutes.
[07:29:11] JARRETT: Welcome back.
A potentially significant weather event could hit parts of Texas and Oklahoma late this afternoon and into the overnight hours. The Storm Prediction Center warns that a level four out of five, moderate risk of severe storms could bring hail a few strong tornados and damaging winds to certain areas.
SANCHEZ: Let's get to CNN's Allison Chinchar. She is in the CNN weather center.
Allison, put this into context for us. Where should we watch for severe weather and how bad is it going to get?
ALLISON CHINCHAR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Right. So, unfortunately, probably one of the biggest corridors is the I-35 that runs from Oklahoma City to Dallas. The concerning part there is the Texas/Oklahoma game was yesterday. You have a lot of people traveling up towards Oklahoma City right through the target point from where we're talking about severe weather.
Now it's not just those areas, this entire location right here including Little Rock, Shreveport, even Austin, looking at very large hail, the potential for tornados and even damaging winds. But the greatest tornado threat is really going to be in these yellow and red areas that you see here, and again that includes that I-35 corridor that you see right there.
Again, we're expecting a lot of traffic later on today. Now the timing for a lot of these is going to be in the afternoon and evening hours. You've got a lot of those warm temperatures that will be peaking during that same time as well. These highs are 15, even 20 degrees above normal. You've got a lot of Gulf moisture pushing in, that's providing the fuel for a lot of these showers and thunderstorms as well.
Here's a look at that timeline. Again, say about 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. you're really going to start to notice some of the first of the strong to severe cells begin to develop, then we start to get that line that forms stretching basically from Wichita all the way down through Dallas. That's going to be tonight. Now once we go into the overnight timeframe that's where it starts to slide east pushing into areas of Arkansas, Missouri, as well as portions of northwest Louisiana.
Tomorrow we also have the threat for severe weather. It's just going to be in a little bit of a different geographical point. Now you're talking areas of the Midwest, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, but it still stretches back down into Arkansas.
But areas like Chicago, Indianapolis, St. Louis, also looking at the potential for some severe storms. But that's going to be tomorrow from the northern edge of this system compared to today where the severe storms are mainly going to be focused, Boris and Laura, on the southern edge of the front. JARRETT: All right. Allison, thank you so much for that. Appreciate
Still ahead for you, should Facebook and Instagram be held accountable for fueling some of the more toxic body image issues for teen girls? We're going to ask an addiction specialist next.
But first, here's a quick preview of tonight's new CNN Original Series "DIANA."
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DIANA, PRINCESS OF WHALES: I was always different. I was going somewhere different.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was going to marry her dashing prince. Like all the stories she'd read.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was iconic. She was box office.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going to dance with the princess tonight?
JOHN TRAVOLTA, ACTOR: If she would like me to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pre-Diana there was zero interest in the royal family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think anybody has grown up in public like Diana has.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Diana provided a very public model for defiance and truthfulness.
DIANA: Isn't it normal to feel angry and want to change a situation? I was able to recognize an inner determination to survive.
ANNOUNCER: The new CNN Original Series "DIANA" premieres tonight at 9:00 on CNN.
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JARRETT: For some, it was a welcome break. For others, total misery. Either way on Monday the world was forced off Facebook and Instagram for nearly six hours. The break made many of us question how reliant we are on social media.
All of that took place just hours before a whistleblower detailed to Congress how she believed the tech giant put profits over people.
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FRANCES HAUGEN, FACEBOOK WHISTLEBLOWER: I believe fakebook's products harm children, stoke division, and weaken our democracy. The company's leadership knows how to make Facebook and Instagram safer, but won't make the necessary changes because they have put their astronomical profits before people.
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JARRETT: Joining me now to share her insights on all of this is Dr. Ana Lemki, professor and medical director of Addiction Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine.
Doctor, good morning to you. So nice to have you on this. You call the smartphone the modern-day hypodermic needle which to some may sound extreme but I got to tell you when Instagram was offline last week, I found myself still compulsively checking it, even though it was just a few hours. We all know this feeling being on social media, but explain what is actually happening physiologically in our brains?
DR. ANNA LEMBKE, MEDICAL DIRECTOR, ADDICTION MEDICINE, STANFORD UNIVERSITY, SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Yes. Well, we all have a basic need to connect with other people, but what social media has done is essentially turned that addiction into a drug. And it's done that by the same way to make anything addictive which is to increase access, quantity, potency and novelty.
So if you think first about access, you know, normally you have to go out and make an effort to meet people, but what social media allows is for us to instantly connect with millions of people any time.
In terms of quantity, the quantity of Instagram never runs out. Potency, what social media does is it takes the things that make us attracted to people in the first place, and it augments them. So it makes beautiful faces, more beautiful or average faces beautiful through filters. One of the ways to increase potency of any drug is to combine drugs together, so it combines beautiful faces with games, with sex, with money, with storytelling, all of which creates a more potent medium and a more potent drug.
It also enumerates things. So we know when we give a number to something, for example, a number of likes or rankings, that makes it more potent. And then finally there's novelty.
One of the things that's very reinforcing for our brains is something that we liked before, but then you add something a little bit new. And the algorithms that Facebook and other social media apps have created is to follow us and know what we liked before and then suggest something that's similar but a little bit different.
And that really triggers, you know, our desire to keep swiping or tapping, which is why, for example, in my case I can start out watching YouTube videos of "American Idol" and end up watching YouTube videos of Dr. Pimple Popper three hours later.
JARRETT: We've all been there, haven't we? But on this issue of the algorithms which I find fascinating, the Facebook whistleblower also highlighted this issue of what's happening with teens, in particular teen girls on Instagram, and Lindsey Krause, she wrote an op-ed in the "New York Times" this week that I think really nails the point you're making here. And I wonder, you know, to get your thoughts on this just a little bit here.
She writes this, "For girls in America taking in content that seems intended to make you hate your body is an adolescent rite of passage. The medium changes but the ritual stays the same. Before American girls' confidence was commodified by Instagram it was at the whim of magazines." She goes on to say this, "At the core of this marketing the message endures, you are riddled with flaws and imperfections, we will tell you what to buy and what to do to fix yourself."
I wonder, Doctor, you know, for me as a teenage girl it was all about "Cosmo" and "Seventeen." How different is Instagram?
LEMBKE: Well, what you're talking about is a matter of scale here. So it's natural for all of us to compare ourselves to other people, but typically we're comparing ourselves to our siblings, our classmates, people living in our neighborhood, or when I was growing up, yes, you know, "Cosmo" or "Seventeen" magazine.
So there was a more limited number of comparison that was happening, but on Instagram, what happens is that we're comparing ourselves with millions of people all over the world and many of these images are Photoshopped, the stories around them are curated, so what ends up happening is a sense of learned helplessness like I will never be able to measure up to these incredible people that are in the world, and so instead of, you know, feeling like, oh, OK, I'm good at this or I'm good at that, you know, young girls and all people frankly, including adults, end up feeling less than.
There's this real sense of being diminished, I can never be as beautiful as that person, as funny as that person, as successful as that person, and that really does lead to depression and self- confidence issues, eating disorders, as has been discussed, and then you add to all of that the fact that the medium itself is inherently addictive, increases our dopamine levels and then to compensate our brains have to lower our dopamine levels not just to baseline but even lower than that, so that as soon as we stop we're essentially crashing, we're having a hangover or a come down.
Aall of that mixed together leads to anxiety, depression, low self- esteem, and really, you know, creates mental health issues.
JARRETT: Yes. You know, it's just sort of this amazing feedback loop. Right? Even when you know it's not great for you, even when you know you could be doing something more productive with your day, you just find yourselves coming back to it time and again.
I imagine this conversation will keep going. I really appreciate your perspective, Doctor. Thank you so much for joining me this morning.
LEMBKE: You're welcome.
JARRETT: And, you know, Boris, I don't know about you, but that day when Instagram was down, I realized how much I actually had saved on there. I had recipes that I wanted to come back to and I was so upset I couldn't get to them.
SANCHEZ: Yes. The tentacles of social media are so entrenched in our lives.
SANCHEZ: And that's why I think the comparison to tobacco and the tobacco industry and the fight that the government had in regulating tobacco in the '90s is so apt because it requires a degree of personal responsibility, too, to push away from these forces that drive us toward animosity. It's supposed to be this platform that builds connection but instead, as the whistleblower pointed out, it runs on like rage and envy, and it's hard to detach from it but ultimately I think it's the healthier option.
JARRETT: Yes. And you know, it doesn't mean you just never use it at all, but it seems like moderation is certainly the key here.
SANCHEZ: Right. No question.
Stay with CNN. We'll be right back.
SANCHEZ: We're getting some breaking details into CNN. Police say at least one person is dead and 14 others were injured after a shooting in a bar in St. Paul, Minnesota.
JARRETT: Yes. These are still initial reports but they described the scene as hellish and said there were gunshot victims inside the bar and outside the sidewalk.
We'll continue to bring you updates as we get them throughout the morning.
SANCHEZ: Well, to some lighter news now. In just two days William Shatner is set to head to the edge of space. The "Star Trek" actor known for his role as Captain Kirk is going to blast off from Texas aboard Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin rocket.
He's heading to space along with three other people for a suborbital trip that's going to last about 10 minutes. If it's successful, Shatner will become the oldest person to fly into space at 90 years old. The TV star admits he's a bit nervous.
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WILLIAM SHATNER, ACTOR: My fear is as you go up that you can't draw a breath. Now that apparently is not going to happen, but that's what they said. I'm really quite apprehensive as you might have guessed. I'm going to experience the knowledge of space firsthand. I'll come back and tell you what it's like.
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SANCHEZ: We're fortunate to have someone here this morning who has had that experience. Retired NASA astronaut Leroy Chiao.
Leroy, always great to see you. A pleasure sharing this Sunday with you. So this launch coming less than three months after the company's passenger launch with Jeff Bezos in it. Their maiden voyage. How exciting is this mission on Tuesday? What do you make of how consistent it appears that these trips are becoming?
LEROY CHIAO, RETIRED NASA ASTRONAUT: I think it's great that we're seeing more regular people getting -- you know, kind of more normal people getting into space and certainly it helps to take celebrities. You know, Wally Funk on the last flight who was one of the Mercury 13 potential astronauts way back when, and now getting William Shatner to the space I think is wonderful. I grew up on the original "Star Trek" and he was definitely one of my heroes when I was very young.
And so in fact I -- he interviewed me just a few months ago on his show and really impressed with at the age of 90 with just how sharp he is, and what great physical shape he appears to be in. So certainly wishing him all the best.
SANCHEZ: What advice do you have for Captain Kirk?
CHIAO: My advice for him and anyone traveling into space is enjoy the experience. Don't worry about your phone, don't worry about cameras, and all that. There's going to be plenty of video for you. Try to relax. I mean, it's hard -- it's easy to say that, hard to do that when you're getting into a rocket. But try to just experience it, relax, and enjoy it as much as you can.
SANCHEZ: He's going to be able to breathe, right? That's an unfounded fear that he was sharing with Anderson Cooper.
CHIAO: Yes. So during the launch there will be some G forces but it won't be excessive. It's never liked the movies. You know, you have G forces on your body during ascent and re-entry. It just takes a little bit extra effort to breathe but it's not at all uncomfortable.
SANCHEZ: So I want to ask you about this. A stratospheric ballooning company called World View announced plans to offer edge of space balloon trips at $50,000 a pop to target start date of 2024. $50,000 in comparing to some of these other flights is relatively inexpensive when you consider, you know, the astronomical cost of some of these other trips to space. What did you make of this news? A pressurized balloon -- a zero pressure balloon, I should say, in a pressurized space capsule gently floating in the atmosphere?
CHIAO: So this company has been around a while. I know all the principals, the founders, and they've been working on this. And it sounds like they're getting ready to make their first flight. So congratulations to them. It's going to be an interesting experience, I'm sure. I mean, you're going to get up to, you know, maybe close to 100,000 feet so you're not going to be in space but you'll see the darkness of space. You'll see the curvature of the earth. And it'll be a fantastic experience.
Now $50,000 is less than the advertised price for, say, a Virgin Galactic flight of around $250,000. But still, you know, most of us here are going to think about spending that kind of money on that experience which would be cool or buying a new car or a new house.
SANCHEZ: Yes. Probably a good idea to put that money into savings and then wait for a space flight to become more common and maybe fly then. We've got to leave the conversation there.
Leroy Chiao, always a pleasure to chat with you.
CHIAO: Great to be with you. Thanks.
SANCHEZ: Of course.
And thank you for starting your morning with us, and of course Laura Jarrett for joining me this weekend. Come back anytime, Laura.
JARRETT: Always great to be with you and share a little Sunday time, Boris. Appreciate it.
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