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Mourners Pay Tribute To Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins; "Rust" Movie Set Shooting Investigation Still Ongoing; Authorities Examining Laundrie's Remains Other Evidence For Clues; Facebook To Rebrand As Allegations Of Wrongdoing Grow. Aired 6-7a ET
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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Well, good morning to you. Welcome to your NEW DAY. I'm Christi Paul.
RYAN NOBLES, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Ryan Nobles in for Boris Sanchez.
New details on the deadly tragedy involving a prop gun and actor Alec Baldwin. Questions about safety on the set while the victim's sister speaks out about her death.
PAUL: And this week it's a critical meeting that could pave the way for younger children to get vaccinated. This is a potential maybe game changer in the fight against the pandemic.
NOBLES: And deal or no deal? After another missed deadline, Democrats hope this will be the week they can reach an agreement on trillions of dollars in spending. The president's entire agenda on the line.
PAUL: And guess what? You know this, look at the celebration the Atlanta Braves are World Series bound, setting up a fall classic showdown with the Houston Astros.
You are up early on a Sunday and we're grateful for it. October 24th is the day. Thank you so much for sharing your time with us this morning. Hey, Ryan.
NOBLES: Christi, I made it a second day. You didn't tell me the second day would be more difficult to get up.
PAUL: It's a little harder. He's got that right, people. That 1:30, 1:45 wakeup call, two days in a row. It's something.
NOBLES: I might have slept in a little bit later than that but it's still very early for me.
PAUL: Good for you. Good for you. No, it's all good. It's all good.
Listen, we do have to begin this morning with that tragic movie set shooting involving Alec Baldwin who mistakenly shot and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins with what was supposed to be unloaded gun. There was a candlelight vigil held last night in Hutchins' honor with so many mourners that are still really emotional about this film set accident.
NOBLES: Yes. Sources say the police investigation is now focusing on the specialist in charge of weapons, Hanna Gutierrez and the assistant director Dave Halls, who handed the prop gun to Baldwin on set telling him that it was cold, meaning that it had no live ammunition. Now, two people who have worked closely with Halls tell CNN that complaints have been made against him on a set of two different productions in 2019. They say the complaints included a disregard for safety protocols for weapons and instances of inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace. CNN's Lucy Kafanov has more on this.
LUCY KAFANOV, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Christi, Ryan, people have gathered here to mourn the passing of Halyna Hutchins, just 42 years old when she tragically lost her life. You know, this vigil was organized by the union that represents film and television workers.
So, a lot of folks here are in the industry. They've worked on sets. There was a lot of grief here, but also outrage and questions about how this senseless killing could have taken place.
We spoke to one woman who is a location manager. She wasn't on location of the "Rust" film but she said she knew everyone in the room there, and she was really affected by what took place. Take as listen.
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REBECCA STAIR, LOCATION MANAGER, IATSE LOCAL 480: I just hope all this talking does something. I hope that my talking with you gets amplified and we get the changes that we need for a safe set. I'm sure you know we were about to strike this past Monday for safer conditions, and if the world didn't believe us about what's going on, maybe they believe us now.
KAFANOV: People should be able to go home after performing their job?
STAIR: Yes. A child should have a mother.
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KAFANOV: A lot of emotion here and a lot of tragedy. This was a close- knit community of film and television workers. People knew one another. This one death is having rippling consequences throughout the community.
Now, there have been a lot of unanswered questions. We know that police continue to comb the property, the location of the set. We know that they have gathered film and electronic evidence. They've been interviewing eyewitnesses.
We understand from the affidavit that the weapon that was used by Alec Baldwin was one of three that was prepared by the head armorer, was placed on a tray outside of the building where the shooting was -- the filming was taking place. The assistant director then picked up the prop gun. He brought it in handing it to Mr. Baldwin shouting "cold gun" which in the industry means it didn't have any live rounds. Of course, unfortunately we know that was not the case or at least something terrible followed. We understand according to the affidavit that Mr. Baldwin shot the weapon.
He took the gun, and he fired, and that is when something pierced the chest of Halyna Hutchins, killing her when she was transported to the hospital, airlifted to the hospital. Also wounding the director, Joel Souza.
We do understand that Mr. Baldwin is cooperating with this investigation, but it's going to be a little while longer before we have more answers, answers that so many here and, of course, Miss Hutchins' family are desperately waiting for.
Christi, Ryan, back to you.
NOBLES: Lucy, thank you so much. And the sister of Halyna Hutchins has released a statement on the cinematographer's death. In an -- go ahead, Christi. Sorry.
PAUL: That's OK. In an interview with "The KYIV Post" she says, "I cannot comprehend her passing. I loved her very much. I was very proud of her. She was my role model. We were always close and remained in touch despite the distance. This loss is a great grief for our family, and I see how hard it is for our parents. Hopefully, time will ease our heartache."
I mean, we hope that for them, but we all have experienced loss and we know how hard it is. And later this hour, I'm speaking to a psychologist about the impact of an accidental killing, what it means for the people who were there, for Alec Baldwin, for those responsible for the gun and for her family as well and how the healing process can start.
NOBLES: Moving on, this is a hugely important week in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic. Coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and deaths are trending down across the United States, but about 33 percent of eligible Americans remain unvaccinated.
PAUL: Yes. The next group in line to get vaccinated, we've been talking about this, children ages 5 to 11 years old. Here's CNN's Nadia Romero.
NADIA ROMERO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Christi and Ryan, this could be a game changer for parents who are trying to keep their kids safe during this pandemic. Pfizer says its vaccine for kids is about 90 percent effective and the FDA says that the benefits outweigh the risks.
ROMERO (voice-over): Just how soon could kids ages 5 to 11 get a COVID-19 vaccine? On the current timeline it could be as soon as November, but first the FDA and CDC must sign off. Tuesday an FDA advisory committee is scheduled to meet to discuss whether to recommend authorization for the Pfizer vaccine for kids 5 to 11.
DR. ASHISH JHA, DEAN, BROWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: It's going to protect them. Obviously, it's also going to add population immunity to our broader population. It will help bring infection numbers down. It is going to be one more important step towards getting to the end of the pandemic.
ROMERO (voice-over): Kids make up about a quarter of all COVID cases in the U.S. Nationwide data shows COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths all declining. Health experts point to the vaccine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If we add children to that mix, we can get our numbers way higher up and hopefully prevent any more variants from coming.
ROMERO: But Pfizer officials will not only have to convince FDA vaccine advisors for emergency use authorization, ultimately it's up to parents of kids ages 5 to 11 to allow them to get the vaccine. A recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey in September found about a third of parents in that age range say they would take a wait-and-see approach. And another third of parents say they would let their kids get the vaccine right away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Talk to your pediatricians if you have questions, but we know that 6 million kids have had COVID, over a million in the last six weeks, they can get it, they can spread it.
ROMERO: So, if the FDA and the CDC authorize the vaccine kids ages 5 to 11 could potentially be fully vaccinated by the winter holidays. Ryan, Christi.
PAUL: Dr. Taison Bell is with us now. He's an assistant professor of medicine at the University of Virginia. Dr. Bell, so glad to have you back with us. It's always good to get your expertise here.
I want to jump off of something that we just heard from Nadia. Only a third of parents in recent polls have said they will, indeed, get their kids vaccinated as soon as a shot is authorized. What does that tell you about the remaining two-thirds and what do you know are some of the potential hesitations?
DR. TAISON BELL, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: Well, first of all, thank you for having me on the show. And yes, we have about a third, a third, and a third of parents who are either excited to, I count myself in that category with a 7-year-old, but many more parents are going to adopt the wait-and-see approach.
I don't think this is necessarily alarming. I think a lot of people just want to see what happens with initial rollouts. But in that time period, we have to talk about the risk of getting vaccinated and the risk of not getting vaccinated. So, you know, the more we talk with parents, the more we're out there, I think, eventually over time we'll get more uptake of the vaccine. PAUL: So, we know that there is this critical meeting on Tuesday to discuss the Pfizer vaccine. What do you want to know to come out of that?
BELL: Well, I want to see discussions around the efficacy of the vaccine. It looks like the data -- it's extraordinarily effective. And then in particular, when it comes to young boys, the risk of myocarditis which is actually much higher with COVID infection than for the vaccine but this is a group that has had a higher risk of it. So, I want to see that in context and have -- the FDA have a discussion around their different strategies to vaccinate young children that are young boys. But the main thing is to put this in context and discuss it openly so that we can have an open and honest discussion with parents and that we can increase vaccine confidence.
PAUL: It will be interesting to see if any opinions change after this meeting when it comes to vaccinating kids 5 to 11 years old. They've given a timeline that once this happens it will -- they will be able to be vaccinated within a couple of weeks. Do you believe that timeline to be accurate?
BELL: Unfortunately, no. And I foresee an issue here because it's the same medicine, the Pfizer vaccine, but it's a different dose, about a third of the dose that adults and teens get. And it actually will be connected with specific vials that are linked with the EUAs. That means that pediatricians while they have the ability to give the medicine through the standard vials that they have they may have to wait for the special syringes. And that means that there might be limited supply.
In my health district there will be a very limited supply to begin with, and that, of course, means that parents with access to the -- wealthier means and are able to travel across states to find pockets of availability might be able to get vaccine earlier than some others who are in less fortunate means. And so we might see a situation similar to in January and February where we had a lot of equity and access issues. So, I think that the administration has said that there's vaccine available but we have to see this play out on the front lines.
PAUL: All right. Dr. Taison Bell, we are grateful for the expertise you bring to us. Thank you so much.
BELL: Thank you.
NOBLES: And the World Series is now set. A lot of people in Atlanta probably pretty happy, Christi, the Atlanta Braves.
PAUL: Just a few.
NOBLES: Back in the fall classic for the first time in 22 years. And the Houston Astros aiming for redemption, of course, after that huge cheating scandal. The Braves upset the defending champion L.A. Dodgers in six games. Players and coaches partied in the locker room like it was 1999. That, of course, the last time they made it to the World Series.
PAUL: Isn't that something? Just to go right along with the song, Carolyn Manno.
CAROLYN MANNO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hey, sometimes you plan it and it works out. Good morning to you both.
You know, Atlanta is on such an incredible run when you consider that team actually lost its entire opening day outfield mid season that included MVP candidate Ronald Acuna Jr. The Braves traded for four new outfielders at the deadline, sparking this second half rally that has taken them all the way here.
One of those acquisitions was Eddie Rosario who came up huge for the Braves. Again, the Dodgers just could not figure out the series MVP who broke a 1-1 tie in the fourth with a line drive shot down the right-field line. Rosario was the most dynamic player of the series, 14 hits in the NLCS alone, that home run there giving Atlanta a three- run lead to be the delight of the hometown crowd.
Atlanta's bull pen took over from there striking out 10 over the final five innings. AJ Pollock grounding out to end the Dodgers' chances for a World Series repeat. The Braves clinching the NL pennant their first since the team's glory days back in the '90s.
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BRIAN SNITKER, ATLANTA BRAVES MANAGER: Can't say enough about this group. I was proud of them when we won the division, to get here, what they've been through this year, how they've hung in there, they've allowed themselves to be right here right now.
FREDDIE FREEMAN, FIRST BASEMAN, ATLANTA BRAVES: This feels pretty good. I think this might be the definition of pure joy. It really is. Going from 97 losses six years ago to doing this, it's special. And to lose, in my opinion, the best player in the National League and we're up here going to the World Series without Ronald Acuna Jr., it's amazing what this team did.
MANNO: The Braves and Astros meet for game one Tuesday night in Houston. The Astros back in the fall classic for the third time in five years. The Braves have lost eight straight World Series games dating back to the mid 90s. Braves fans may recall being swept by the Yankees back in '99.
But looking for a different story this time around, Christ and Ryan. And this year's squads have some ties to each other. Houston manager Dusty Baker made his major league debut as a player for the Braves, spent nearly 10 years there. The Braves' manager Brian Snitker's son Troy is a hitting coach for the Astros and it has been so fun to be in Atlanta with you guys to witness all this remarkable run by the Braves.
PAUL: Wow. Those crossovers, they can get a little dicey. You wonder, what's going through your mind? Carolyn Manno, always so good to see you. Thank you.
NOBLES: President Biden often mentions his history of working with lawmakers across the aisle and negotiating with Republicans. But it's the lawmakers in his own party that are giving him trouble right now. This week could decide the fate of his economic agenda.
PAUL: Also, Facebook planning big changes. Does that need to include a new boss at the top? We'll talk about it.
PAUL: So, here's the question for the week ahead. It is going to be deal or no deal? Democrats are scrambling to reach an agreement on President Biden's social spending plan, and the pressure is on this president to bring moderates and progressives together.
NOBLES: CNN White House reporter Kevin Liptak is covering the president in Wilmington, Delaware. So, Kevin, the president says he's optimistic about reaching a deal. What is his strategy this week?
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes, Ryan, it's been really interesting to see how this has all evolved. Of course, these talks have been going on for months and for most of that the president was described as really the kind of mediator. He hadn't been drawing any red lines.
White House officials described him as a sounding board in these talks, and that's really changed over the last week. The president is ramping up pressure on Democrats to try and get this deal. And there are three tactics that he's used that, I think, really illustrate that.
The first is he has been a lot more specific on where he sees the cuts coming through. And a good example of that is education. Of course, the president has long said he wanted to extend the years that the federal government offers free education. But in meetings this week, the president said he was more focused on the early end than the back end, so that means the universal pre-kindergarten will be in the deal, but tuition-free community college is out.
A second tactic that the president is using is he's being more explicit in public about where these hang ups are and who is doing the hang ups. So, you saw in that CNN town hall this week the president say very explicitly that Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia is opposed to some of the climate provisions and they're working together to see where that can be resolved. And he said Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona was opposed to raising taxes on individuals and corporations and so now they're finding a new way to pay for this plan.
And the third tactic, I think, is interesting is he's trying to make these deadlines real for Democrats and the best example of that came earlier this week. The president was sitting in the Oval Office with a group of progressives and people in the meeting said he went around the room very intensely, looked these progressives in the eye, and told them that America's prestige was on the line if he shows up a climate summit that starts a week from today in Glasgow without a deal.
Now Democrats did have a deadline for Friday for a framework on this agreement that came and went without a deal, but the president is still optimistic. Listen to what he said at our town hall laying out sort of his strategy here.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Do you think you'll have a deal by the time you get on Air Force One in eight days?
JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, look, you know, it's like my asking you, "Are you sure your next show is going to be a success?" Right? You know.
BIDEN: Well, you're more confident than I am. Look -- hey, look, it's all about compromise. You know compromise has become a dirty word, but it's -- bipartisanship and compromise still has to be possible.
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LIPTAK: So he's being optimistic, but he's also being realistic. Of course, a compromise means that this deal will be smaller than the president initially wanted, but in his mind something smaller is certainly better than nothing at all. Guys?
NOBLES: All right. Kevin Liptak, live from Wilmington. Kevin, thanks so much.
Let's bring in political congressional reporter Nicholas Wu, my buddy from Capitol Hill. Nick, thank you for being here. So, you know, you know this well. It's gone back and forth so many times. Are we actually going to be living in infrastructure week this week? Is this the week that it happens?
NICHOLAS WU, POLITICO CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: Ryan, Democrats are always saying it's infrastructure week, but it has felt like infrastructure summer and infrastructure fall. The thing is Democrats have set these deadlines to try to reach some sort of deal and they've been talking for a while about being able to reach some sort of internal compromise, even just a basic framework on this whole package. But they still have a few areas of disagreement that they're trying to sort out.
And my colleagues reported last night that sources are saying that two of their biggest planks of this bill, the Medicare dental expansion and the family leave plan, could be dropped from the plan entirely. So, we're still seeing a lot of this process of haggling out and horse trading as Democrats try to bring down the total cost of the package. And whether or not they're going to be able to reach some sort of deal this week remains to be seen.
NOBLES: So, you wrote a great piece this week titled "Biden bets his agenda on the inside game" and you talked about the president's focus on this kind of behind-the-scenes effort to get his agenda across the finish line. Does it seem like that approach is working? Is this why they're starting to make some progress?
WU: It definitely could be. I mean, the White House has been really aggressively working on members of Congress on this. They've been dialing members. White House staffs have been chatting with members. There were groups of Democrats who went to the White House this past week, and so they're really trying to hear everyone out and figure out exactly what needs to be cut and can stay in in order to make all these constituencies happy enough to actually get to some kind of deal.
It's certainly a tricky balancing act for them. I mean, trying to make sure that you can make progressives who want all of these long term priorities to make it and moderates on the other hand who don't want to spend too much to get everyone on the same page.
NOBLES: So let's shift gears a bit. The other big story on Capitol Hill that you and I both are keeping a close eye on, the select committee investigating the January 6th insurrection. The panel it seems to be following the money trail or looking for the financing behind the riot, the events leading up to it.
Nick, listen to what Congressman Jamie Raskin, who is of course a member of the committee, told our Jim Acosta yesterday.
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REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD), HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE MEMBER: You don't knock over the U.S. Capitol and wound 140 officers and storm the Capitol and lay state of siege to the Congress without any money being behind it. This was an expensive operation, and lots of money was spent, lots of money was raised, and we do intend to get to the bottom of the financial dimension of this attack on American democracy.
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NOBLES: And, Nick, we reported that they have these groups within the committee that have specific areas of focus. The money team is called the green team. What revelations could this bring out about the insurrection?
WU: Well, I think the planning and the operational aspect of the insurrection is something that the committee has definitely taken an interest in so far. And we saw that in the subpoenas they issued for rally organizers, specifically for those around -- on the Capitol grounds for the "Stop the Steal" and then the ones on the Ellipse leading up to the insurrection.
And so by looking into the money trail here what we could gain insight into is, you know, exactly who exactly funded these rallies. Who put money down so that they could even come here in the first place on January 6th? Who brought all that together?
And so we're likely to see details on that come out in the coming months as this committee ramps up its investigation here. Chair Bennie Thompson told me and other reporters on Friday that they've already held closed-door depositions with some of the people that they've subpoenaed so far. And so we'll see details about this come out over time.
NOBLES: And, of course, one of those people is Jeffrey Clark, the former justice department official who pushed baseless claims about election fraud. It seems as though he is going to answer his subpoena, come before the committee next Friday.
Nick, how big of an impact do you think the Steve Bannon criminal contempt referral played in getting Clark to get in front of the committee? Did he understand the message the committee was sending there?
WU: It's certainly part of it. It's worth noting with Clark, though, that his conduct here as this justice department official who is implicated in these efforts to overturn the election was actually part of the Senate Judiciary Committee's investigation into all of that as well. And they weren't actually able to subpoena him because that committee, of course, being part of the 50/50 Senate can't necessarily issue subpoenas without Republicans getting on board.
And so what we're seeing the select committee do here is really pick up where the Senate Judiciary Committee left off and carry on from there in order to get at these details that we have not actually heard before.
NOBLES: Yes. It's a great point. All right. Nicholas Wu, thanks so much. I'll see you in Capitol Hill next week.
And be sure to watch "STATE OF THE UNION" this morning. The House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will join Jake Tapper, no doubt the president's agenda will be a main topic. That's this morning at 9:00 a.m.
PAUL: There are so many questions about the accidental shooting death of Alec Baldwin -- on Alec Baldwin's movie set. Putting aside the investigation itself, imagine being on that set, imagine the trauma that they're going through right now.
We're talking to a psychologist about that experience, about sudden loss. We all may know about that, but let's talk about the healing. We're back in a moment.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR (on camera): 32 minutes past the hour. There was a vigil overnight for Halyna Hutchins. And listen, what happened on that movie set is going to be felt by friends and family and workers who were there really forever.
I mean, any of us know what it's like to have a sudden loss in your life. Or just put yourself in the place that they were on that set, or even put yourself in the place of Alec Baldwin, they're going to live with this.
Filmmaker Rebecca Stair, who attended the candlelight vigil in New Mexico last night knew a lot of people that were on that set. Here is what she said.
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REBECCA STAIR, LOCATION MANAGER, IATSE LOCAL 480: More like what doesn't go through my mind, and it's so much. It's the friends that I knew who were standing there, it's the protocol that I -- that we just know wasn't followed. It's the fact that I'm also a 43-year-old woman and I got up and went to work, and had my breakfast burrito, and I got to go home.
And then, all the 1000s of stories -- of all the 1000s of people who were on that set, and their friends, and their family, and just the ripple effect all the way out. So, there's no one famous. It's a lot.
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PAUL: Dr. Jeff Gardere with us now. He's a clinical psychologist and associate professor at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine. Dr. Gardere It's so good to have you with us. You know, when we think about what these people saw, and Alec Baldwin.
I kind of equate this to maybe it's very different, but if you were in a car accident, and you hit somebody and caused them to die, it's unintentional. But how much do we still blame ourselves?
DR. JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, in this case, there's going to be survivor's guilt. There's going to be a lot of moral injury here where people are going to have flashbacks, hallucinations, nightmares. And there's anger here because as it's been reported, that there were some issues with regard to gun inspections, and COVID-19 protocols, allegedly not being followed.
So, people are in shock. They are traumatized, they are angry, they are sad. They are -- they are -- they're dealing with grief right now. So, there's so much that is going on and makes us a little bit different perhaps, than accidentally killing someone in a car accident.
PAUL: It does. But that feeling that I killed somebody or I did somebody that caused -- something to cause somebody to die, how do you begin to get beyond that if you can, just to function daily?
GARDERE: Well, you don't get beyond it. It's something that you have to completely accept, and it's years of deep depression, years of therapy, years of post-traumatic stress.
And what you begin to do is rebuild your life one day at a time. You begin to atone for what happened by, of course, being in contact with the family of the person who is now -- who has passed on. And it's really important that you be able to rebuild your life in a way that benefits so many other people. But it does affect you, it affects your relationships, it affects your future, and it's something that is so difficult to live with, and it's something that affects you for the rest of your life.
PAUL: I want to read something from Rebecca Stair. She's a location manager. She knew everybody on that set. We actually just heard from her a couple of minutes ago. But here is what else she said.
She said, "My heart's been shaking for days, my phone has been going off with all kinds of friends who are going through something similar. My friend who -- my friends, who were the transport coordinator," she had a friend who was transport coordinator there. She said, "had to stay until 11:00 at night arranging shuttle rides home because nobody could functionally drive."
For people who witness this, who are now part of this collective -- you know, group connected by this trauma, how can they help each other? How can they lean in? I mean, is that part of the healing process is, is the shared experience?
GARDERE: Absolutely. And they are going to have to take the time, led by Alec Baldwin. Since the -- you know, this is something that, you know, he was -- I just don't know the way to put it, but, you know, the person who, you know, act -- actually killed that person --
PAUL: He shot that -- he shot the gun.
GARDERE: Shot the gun, thank you. He is going to have to lead the effort to make sure that everyone does come together collectively. And to be able to talk, almost a group therapy, if you will.
And these people are going to stay connected for a very, very long time, because they are the only ones -- we could talk about how they feel, but they are the ones who are in that situation, and have to be able to -- have that collective experience of healing. And again, this is something that will take years.
PAUL: Husband -- her husband, Matthew Hutchins on Twitter wrote this. Halyna inspired us all with her passion and vision, and her legacy is too meaningful to encapsulate in words. Our loss is enormous."
How does the publicity of all of this affect the recovery?
GARDERE: Well, that's going to make it very difficult, because you are going to have naysayers, you are going to have people who are going to be very, very critical as to what happened. They're going to try to assign guilt as to what happened. So, it's going to be very, very difficult.
But we have to think about this woman has left behind a son, and a husband, and a family. The people who are involved, those people are going to be affected. So, it's important that we withhold judgment as much as possible while the investigations are going on. But understand that everyone is suffering through this particular thing.
I went online and I saw there were trolls out there who are saying all sorts of harmful and angry things about the situation, about the people involved. And right now, we really need to respect the grief that everyone is going through, the loss that everyone is going through right now with regard to this situation.
PAUL: And let's remember, this is a woman who has a son, who is going to have to try to reconcile this and none of that. None of that is helpful, which is what I was getting to when I asked the question about how publicity helps or hinders or makes it more difficult.
Dr. Jeff Gardere, we appreciate you so much. Thank you.
GARDERE: Thank you.
RYAN NOBLES, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): And we may never know some of the things about the deaths of Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie.
But investigators are filling in some of the blanks and answering critical questions about this case.
NOBLES: What is in Brian Laundrie's notebook?
PAUL: Yes, that's the big question right now. Crime expert to trying to piece together what led his death after finding his remains this week.
NOBLES: Hopefully, that will help us to learn more about the murder of his fiancee Gabby Petito. Here is CNN's Polo Sandoval.
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We know, according to information from the Laundrie family attorney that his skeletal remains are now in the hands of a forensic anthropologist. The purpose there is actually performing analysis and try to find a little bit more.
SANDOVAL (on camera): And then, you also recall that we heard from the Laundrie family attorney, saying that based on conversations he had with Brian's parents is when he left this home in North Port that they felt that he was upset at the time.
SANDOVAL (voice-over): So, there's certainly a big question as to what, if anything, they potentially were told by Brian before he went to the nearby reserve.
SANDOVAL (on camera): Parents did say at the time, that he seemed upset. And in the meantime, though, investigators are also processing other pieces of evidence, including a backpack and notebook that was located there at that location, hoping that they could potentially provide some clues here.
Meantime, though, here at the Laundrie family home, we've only seen Mr. Laundrie a couple of times.
SANDOVAL (voice-over): He has not answering any questions publicly, but as his attorney has maintained, they have been cooperating with the FBI.
PAUL: And Polo Sandoval, we want to thank you for that.
So, Mark Zuckerberg, facing major pressure, as you know, to make significant changes to the company that he started, is he ready to do it? That's next.
PAUL: So, tonight, you can watch an all-new episode of CNN's original series. "THIS IS LIFE" with Lisa Ling. And tonight, she investigates something our society has never agreed about. Here is a quick preview.
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LISA LING, CNN HOST (voice-over): So, typically, would girls just kind of walk back and forth until you get dates?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It's always good on a dark street. But then it's unsafe because anything can happen to you.
LING: Barely out of high school, Monroe began selling sex to support herself and her daughter. She made it look glamorous, but the reality was far darker.
LING (on camera): Did someone push you into prostitution?
MONROE: The beginning like there wasn't a gun to my head. It was manipulation.
You know, go get this money, it will be good. You have everything you need taking care of.
LING: The man promising Monroe big money was a pimp. They pitch themselves as managers in exchange for a cut. But exploitation is rampant.
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PAUL: Be sure to catch "THIS IS LIFE" tonight at 10pm right here on CNN.
NOBLES: Well, it's no secret that Facebook's had a rough few weeks.
PAUL: Yes, if the social media giant thought that rough patch was over. It's not.
CNN chief media correspondent Brian Stelter with us now. Stelter, good to see you this morning.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA CORRESPONDENT (on camera): You too.
PAUL: Facebook has a pretty bad week ahead of it as well. Yes, I mean, what are you seeing?
STELTER: There certainly three major reasons while you're going to hear a lot about Facebook in this coming workweek. The first is Frances Haugen, the whistleblower who testified on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago. She is now heading to Europe, speaking with regulators and political leaders in Europe, providing testimony about what she knows about Facebook. So, she is back in the news.
She is also back in the news because of the documents that she took from Facebook that she walked out of the building. They have now been shared with many news outlets, members who first leaked to the Wall Street Journal and then filed with the SEC in order to provide information.
Now, she has provided some of those papers in redacted form with 17 news outlets, including CNN. You might have seen Donie's piece, you know, yesterday, our viewers saw Donie's first report of many that are going to be coming out starting Monday.
So, the Facebook papers is going to have an impact because we are seeing stories about what the company is -- what the company's own research knows about its effects on its users. How its own products hurt society?
And then the third reason why we're going to see Facebook in the news in a big way this coming week is they are releasing quarterly earnings. So, we're going to see this contrast between all of the attention on the damage done by the products versus the incredible profits that rolling every quarter via the company's ad business.
We may also hear about a name change. The company may be rebranding itself in order to, you know, change, move attention away from Facebook's blue app, the main flagship app, and towards something called the metaverse.
Mark Zuckerberg believes in the metaverse, this idea of virtual and physical worlds coming together. That's what he wants his company to be about, but there is no escaping the reality of what the company is today. NOBLES: Yes, Brian, you mentioned all of that, but you didn't mention the idea that maybe it's time for Mark Zuckerberg to step down from his role of CEO of Facebook.
There have been many people calling for that. Would that solve any of their problems?
STELTER: We are hearing more and more and more of that. You know, he is the only one of the big, big tech CEOs to remain in the CEO role.
People like Jeff Bezos at Amazon have stepped aside. But Zuckerberg has such tremendous power. He only goes when he wants to. It's only when he decides. He has extraordinary control over this company. And that is why so many critics have said it is time for new leadership.
But he seems undeterred. He seems to want to rebrand the company, focus more on new products, not looking to the past. Although, the company says it will continue to do its own research.
And on "RELIABLE SOURCES" today, I'm going to have Senator Richard Blumenthal, one of the company's fiercest critics on to react to some of these new papers. I want to hear from him what he believes the timeline should be for new regulation of Facebook and other technology platforms.
PAUL: I think what's interesting, Brian, is we talk about the impact of this. The fact that Haugen is going to Europe to -- that this -- I think in our little bubble we feel like this is a U.S. thing. This is a global thing, yes?
STELTER: Yes, big story overnight in the Wall Street Journal, titled: Facebook Services Are Used To Spread Religious Hatred In India, Internal Documents Show.
So, we are -- we -- you know, this is about Facebook knowing what does -- what it tell -- what its platform causes in other countries all around the world. And India is especially a scary example of how WhatsApp and Facebook we're stoking religious hatred.
Look, I think the deeper question here and the uncomfortable one is, OK, if Facebook didn't exist, if WhatsApp didn't exist, what other social networks have filled the void? And would there be just as dark a situation where people use these platforms to tear at each other and attack each other? I don't think we know, but I suggesting to you Christi, the fault is not just with Facebook, it's partly within ourselves.
PAUL: Yes. That is profound and spot on.
NOBLES: All right, Brian Stelter, thank you so much. Brian mentioned to his program "RELIABLE SOURCES", you can catch that coming up later this morning at 11:00 a.m. Eastern.
PAUL: So, in New Mexico, there is mourning and there is a mystery. All of Hollywood is demanding answers after a death on a movie set and wondering how this could happen.
I'm speaking to an armorer who worked on a set where there was another death.