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Judge Sets Bond For Crumbleys At $500,000 Each; Biden, Putin To Speak Tuesday As Tensions Rise Over Ukraine; Rep. Dan Kildee (D-MI) Is Interviewed About Rising Tensions Between Russia And West, And Gun Control; CNN Fires Chris Cuomo Effective Immediately; Fresno Sheriff's Deputy On Frontlines In City's Meth Hell; Indonesia's Mount Semeru Erupts In East Java Province. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired December 05, 2021 - 07:00   ET

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JIM HARBAUGH, COACH, MICHIGAN WOLVERINES: We wanted to honor Tate Myre in this game. I dedicated the game to him, you know, for his courage and what he did in the shootings at Oxford. He's a hero. We got our 42nd point up there. My patch fell off. And it's -- I think God was with us.

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ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: I tell you what, guys, pretty special that Michigan scored 42 points on the day and the night they were honoring Tate Myre.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: No doubt.

Andy Scholes, that was a great moment to share with us. Thank you, sir.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Andy.

PAUL: Let's take a deep breath and keep going, Boris.

Good morning to all of you. Welcome to your NEW DAY. I'm Christi Paul.

SANCHEZ: And I'm Boris Sanchez.

We have new details on how officials captured the parents of an alleged school shooters as officers seek a third person who may have helped them try to get away.

PAUL: Also, President Biden is getting ready to talk to Vladimir Putin as U.S. intel reveals Moscow could launch an offensive within months against Ukraine.

SANCHEZ: And you may want to prep your parkas. Parts of the country bracing for winter weather. We'll tell you how much snow is coming and how cold it can get.

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PAUL: We are so lucky to have you keeping us company on this Sunday, December 5th. We appreciate you. Thank you for waking up with us.

SANCHEZ: We begin this morning in Michigan where the suspected Oxford High School shooter and his parents are behind bars for the deadly attack. The parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, pleading not guilty to four charges of involuntary manslaughter in court, were now being held on $500,000 bond each in the same jail where their 15-year-old son Ethan is in custody.

PAUL: He's charged with murdering four of his classmates and injuring seven others. We've learned Detroit police have identified a person of interest in surveillance footage they say shows the person who helped the Crumbleys hideout during the search for the couple. All of this in the wake of the deadly shooting that has deeply impacted the Oxford community.

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PAUL (voice-over): The parents of the teenager accused in this week's deadly school shooting in Michigan are waking up this morning in the same county jail where their teenaged son is held on charges of murdering four classmates. A judge ordered Jennifer and James Crumbley each held on $500,000 bond following an hours-long manhunt that ended with their capture at a Detroit area warehouse.

This exclusive video shows the couple being taken into custody early Saturday morning after a tip led police to the building hours after they were charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter. The couple was arraigned by video conference Saturday morning, each entering not guilty pleas in connection with the deadly shooting at Oxford High School.

The prosecutors say they gave their troubled teenaged son access to a deadly weapon and did nothing to worn school officials about the dangers he posed.

KAREN MCDONALD, OAKLAND COUNTY PROSECUTOR: This is a very serious, horrible, terrible murder and shooting. It has affected the entire community. These two individuals could have stopped it, and they had every reason to know if he was dangerous and they gave him a weapon and they didn't secure it and they allowed him free access to it.

PAUL: Prosecutor Karen McDonald pushed hard for the half million in bond saying the couple was trying to plea when police caught them.

Attorneys representing Jennifer and James Crumbley say the couple had the gun locked up and their son did not have free access to it. The lawyers also claimed the couple intended to turn themselves in but were unable to do so before police arrested them.

SHANNON SMITH, ATTORNEY FOR JAMES & JENNIFER CRUMBLEY: Last night and throughout the day, we were in contact with our clients. They were scared, they were terrified. They were not at home. They were figuring out what to do, getting finances in order. PAUL: The sheriff of Oakland County doesn't seem to buy it.

SHERIFF MICHAEL BOUCHARD, OAKLAND COUNTY, MICHIGAN: We were out actively looking for them, working with our partners. They were taken into custody before that question was asked or answered. Were they actually going to do it? I don't know. Given that they were hiding in a warehouse in Detroit, it certainly raises my eyebrows.

PAUL: The Crumbleys' son Ethan was arraigned Wednesday as an adult, charged with terrorism, murder and other counts in connection with Tuesday's deadly shooting at school. Authorities say there is clear evidence the shooting was premeditated and that the 15-year-old, quote, was looking forward to it.

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SANCHEZ: Let's go out live in Oxford, Michigan to CNN law enforcement reporter Mark Morales.

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Mark, what's the latest on the investigation?

MARK MORALES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORTER: Well, this third party investigation that the school is calling for stems from details that prosecutor Karen McDonald has been releasing since the shooting took place. Parents in the school district have been sending lots of questions into the school, and the school wanted to send out their version and their timeline of events.

It's important to note that the prosecutor has not ruled out charging anybody at the school, whether it's counselors or teachers or administrators. They're still taking a hard look at what exactly happened. Just to go back to the timeline of events and what exactly the school is talking about here, we're talking about the first incident that happened on Tuesday with Ethan Crumbley scrolling through his phone looking at pictures of ammunition.

The next day, the day of the shooting they find a disturbing drawing he had made where you can see a semi-automatic weapon that's been drawn. There's bullets that are drawn, a person that's dead in the drawing as well.

Now, that resulted in a conversation between Ethan and school guidance counselors. The parents were also called to the school. The determination was made not to send Ethan back home because he would have been alone. He was sent back to the classroom with other students.

The prosecutor has been asking or has spoken about how the parents did not ask Ethan whether or not he had a gun on him, anything about the weapon. As we now know, surveillance footage at the school shows Ethan going into a school bathroom and coming out with the handgun opening fire.

SANCHEZ: Mark Morales from Oxford, Michigan -- Mark, thank you. PAUL: So according to a CNN tally, the shooting at Oxford High School

was the deadliest at a K-12 campus in the U.S. since 2018 and the 32nd school shooting just since August 1st. For some, the short and long- term psychological impact for those involved including survivors, first responders and the people left grieving for the people that they lost, all of that is overwhelming.

Let's talk to Peter Langman. He's the author of "Why Kids Kill: Inside the Mind of School Shooters."

Peter, thank you so much for being with us.

Mark has laid out a lot of the evidence that they had goings into what happened on Tuesday. I'm interested in the fact that you're also a researcher with the National Threat Assessment Center of the U.S. Secret Service. We can't always foresee a attack. It seems like they could based on the information we know.

What is your gut reaction to this case specifically?

PETER LANGMAN, AUTHOR, "WHY KIDS KILL: INSIDE THE MIND OF SCHOOL SHOOTERS": Well, in this case like so many others, there were warning signs. It's so important that people recognize warning signs and report them to the school whenever they see something that suggests there's a danger coming.

PAUL: Yeah, and there clearly were warning signs in this case. He was searching for ammo the day before. There were notes found by the teacher the day of the shooting.

Mark highlighted some of them just a minute ago. Some of those words on the drawing said, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me. My life is useless. The world is dead."

The parents were called right away. They kept him in school. Do you interpret what you're hearing now as this kid crying out for help?

LANGMAN: Well, the fact that he said something about looking for help, please help me, certainly suggests that. On the other hand, he apparently did not seek out anyone at school to say directly please help me. So there may have been a component of help seeking, he certainly, as far as we know, didn't make that explicit to anyone at the school.

PAUL: Yeah, he had not. And now we know these kids, these students are going to be traumatized as they have to go back to school at some appointment. I'm sure there are normal signs of behavioral changes, some anxiety, some fear. Talk to us as parents, what do we need to know and do to make sure our kids are managing these emotions?

LANGMAN: I think parents need to stay in touch with their children, ask them how they're doing, let them know it's okay if they have a range of emotions. They might be scared, anxious about going back to school. They might also be very angry this happened. They may be grieving the loss of classmates. And it's going to affect them. They may be more withdrawn, may not want to go back to school or going to their usual activities. They may have trouble sleeping. Their appetite might be off.

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All these are normal things. Parents should do their best to be there with their kids, support them, get them professional help if that is warranted.

PAUL: Is there something as parents we can say to our kids to normalize therapy and getting help based on the fact that some see it as a negative stigma?

LANGMAN: I think it's important just to make it as normal as possible. There's nothing wrong with talking to somebody. You can assure your children that what they've been through is a very traumatic incident, that it's normal, natural, the struggle in the wake of such a thing. There's nothing to be ashamed of, they feel some extra help to get through this.

PAUL: Okay. So we also know the teachers stepped up here. They alerted the school of some of the things they saw. Those teachers have to go back. They have gone through this trauma.

What do they need most from that school and from the community moving forward?

LANGMAN: Well, often in the wake of an attack there's increased police presence at the school in the initial days. It's best to give people a sense of safety. The teachers themselves may need to talk it through with each other, their loved ones, maybe seek professional help, again, if that seems warranted.

They need the administration to be there for them. If the school does not have a threat assessment system in place to investigate warning signs of potential violence, the school and the community should make sure that's a priority.

PAUL: So I want to real quickly let you know according to CNN affiliates WJRT and WXYZ, the copycat threats have been rising since Tuesday's shooting there. Why do scenarios like this seem to trigger a ripple effect? And normally, is there a gauge of how often any of those copycat threats actually come to fruition?

LANGMAN: In the wake of an attack, there's often threats made -- in most cases it seems as though they're not real threats. In some cases they are real threats. It seems to me the more the threshold of threat violence is crossed, the lower the threshold becomes. Other kids who are perhaps on the verge of committing an attack maybe gain inspiration or feel empowered to go ahead and do so shortly after there's been a previous attack.

PAUL: Peter Langman, we appreciate your insight here and your perspective. His new book is titled "Warning Signs: Identifying School Shooters Before They Strike." Peter, thank you so much.

SANCHEZ: There have been heightened tensions between Russia and Ukraine and now the White House is stepping in. What we're learning about President Biden's planned call with Vladimir Putin.

Also, terminated effective immediately. More on CNN's decision to part ways with Chris Cuomo and his reaction just ahead.

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SANCHEZ: We're 16 minutes past the hour.

President Biden is warning the United States is going to make it very, very difficult for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.

PAUL: The president is holding a conference call Tuesday with Russian leader Vladimir Putin. Tension is rising, tensions increasing along the border.

CNN White House reporter Jasmine Wright is with us now.

The president saying they're going to make it very difficult. Do we know exactly how they plan to do that?

JASMINE WRIGHT, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: A level of concern from this White House is high. That's why you see them taking very deliberate steps with their message very disciplined. The White House confirmed that Tuesday call with President Biden, President Putin, a secure video call happening Tuesday evening.

Jen Psaki said they'd discuss cyber and regional issues and underscore U.S. concern with Russia military activities on the border with Ukraine. So, that's kind of what you can expect. I want to note that this call is going to happen almost six months to the day after President Biden held a bilateral with President Putin in Geneva.

Later he told reporters that he told Putin there needed to be basic rules of the road we can all abide by. Flash forward to Friday, President Biden was very candid with reporters when he described what preparations the U.S. is taking in response to this heightened crisis. Take a listen.

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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I am doing is putting together what I believe will be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he may do, but that's in play right now.

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WRIGHT: So strong words there from the president who told reporters he had been in constant contact with European allies in Ukraine, that he expected to have a long conversation with President Putin. One complicating factor that officials have told CNN, it's very difficult to predict what Putin may do. So the president really -- we know for one thing they have already

invaded Ukraine before, and it seems like they have the assets to potentially do so again. Yes, very high stakes for this White House heading into this week, Christi, Boris.

PAUL: Exactly. When they in 2014 went into Crimea, the world was watching saying what's going to happen, and nothing happened.

Jasmine Wright, we appreciate it, thank you.

SANCHEZ: With us to discuss the potential for conflict with Russia and more is Congressman Dan Kildee, the chief deputy whip of the House Democratic Caucus.

Congressman Kildee, thank you so much for spending part of your weekend with us.

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We appreciate having you.

Sir, you were in Congress when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014. And as Christi pointed out, the United States and the West clearly did not respond to that invasion in a way that deterred Vladimir Putin from more aggression.

So what needs to be done now to stop him from invading Ukraine?

REP. DAN KILDEE (D-MI): Well, I think, first of all, the president is doing the right thing by consulting with our allies in Europe. We cannot take a unilateral approach with this. I'm glad the president is pursuing conversations with the U.K., with France, with the Germany, with EU directly and with NATO.

But I think the other point, though, is that the president knows that we can use a whole variety of tools. Vladimir Putin is essentially a head of a large crime syndicate who is trying to rebuild the USSR. I think the initial steps have to hit him where it hurts the most, and that's take swift and dramatic economic sanctions against those who surround this thug and hit him where it hurts.

But be prepared for whatever response is required in order for Ukraine to maintain its own territorial integrity and its own sovereignty.

SANCHEZ: Russia was hit with sanctions back in 2014. The Russian economy was in shambles for years, but that didn't stop him.

Do you think that sanctions are going to be enough now? Where is your line when it comes to military intervention to protect Ukraine's sovereignty?

KILDEE: I certainly don't want to get ahead of the president on that. Any military intervention is going to have to be carefully crafted so that we know what our mission is, we know what success looks like and we know when to get out. We haven't done that so well in recent history. I think the economic sanctions have to be firmer and harder. When I

say hit them where it hurts, Putin's aspiration is to be able to use energy -- and particularly the Nord Stream pipeline -- as a political tool. I think our goal has to be to address that directly.

I know that's a difficult question for us to deal with Europe, but it would be dangerous for us to hand Mr. Putin that kind of leverage. So, I would suggest that we initiate that. Now, we may have missed an opportunity several months ago to address that directly. I don't think we can miss that this time. I think we have to take that on.

SANCHEZ: You alluded to some of the economic ties between our European allies and Russia. And I don't want you to get ahead of the president, but I want to get your sense of where the allies that you mentioned specifically, the U.K., France, Germany, what is your sense of where they stand regarding military action when it comes to protecting Ukraine?

KILDEE: That's a good question, and I don't know the specific answer. I assume the president is involved in daily conversations, but I do think we understand that, if this is an attempt by Vladimir Putin to take the next step in trying to rebuild what he still regrets losing 30 years ago, and that is the USSR, we have to take swift action.

The world doesn't have much of an appetite for military action right now. I think unfortunately, Mr. Putin may understand that. My hope is that we can deal with this by being much firmer on the economic front and avoid the possibility that military action will be required.

But I sense that the folks in Europe have -- at least in my discussions with some of their folks here in the U.S., the ambassadors and such, that they understand the threat this represents and that it would be a mistake to look the other way or to allow him to continue to encroach and to take away the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

SANCHEZ: I don't think anyone in the west is eager for conflict. I think the fear is that allowing Vladimir Putin to run unchecked could lead to further conflict down the line.

Congressman, I want to pivot now to something that happened just minutes from your district in Michigan, the tragic Oxford High School shooting.

The House recently passed two background checks earlier this year. They've gone nowhere in the Senate. They don't have the 60 votes needed to pass meaningful gun reform legislation.

What can Congress -- Congress realistically be expected to do on this issue at this point?

KILDEE: Well, we've got to move these bills over the finish line. I mean, we are limited by what we can get through the United States Senate. It's not just common sense gun legislation. It's a whole range of issues that seem to continue to bottleneck in the Senate, largely because they have antiquated rules there that allow 20 states to control the direction for the country. So, my hope is that some of these pieces of legislation that may not

have prevented this particular instance -- we don't know -- but could prevent the next one, will move.

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And I don't think there's any way around it. We can continue to pass bills in the House of Representatives, but if the Senate continues to fail to act, we're going to see more of this, and I don't think that is defensible, and I question whether some of those senators who are standing in the way really understand the gravity and the consequence of their failure to act?

SANCHEZ: Congressman, do you think the president needs to take further steps to make gun reform a central pillar of his administration's efforts the way President Obama did famously after Sandy Hook at great political cost?

KILDEE: I think the president's voice is important on this. And I know where he stands. I've talked to him about this. My hope is that's we'll see, you know, a stronger push.

Again, the real question is not where the White House stands, not where the House of Representatives stands, but whether we'll continue to allow a handful of senators stand in the way of preventing further violence. So far, they haven't been moved.

You know, how many of these shootings do we have to see before the Senate finally understands there's something we can do to maybe prevent the next one of these tragic moments from occurring?

SANCHEZ: We'll have to leave it there. Congressman Dan Kildee, appreciate your time, sir.

KILDEE: Thank you.

PAUL: This week, we've lost the last member of the Band of Brothers. Colonel Edward Shames passed away Friday at 99 years old. He was the final surviving officer of the World War II veterans known as Easy Company, later immortalized in best-selling books and TV miniseries. Shames passed away peacefully at home according to his obituary.

Our thoughts are certainly with his family. We say thank you to him and his family for his service.

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PAUL: Thirty minutes past the hour.

Anchor Chris Cuomo has been terminated by CNN, quote, effective immediately. Earlier this week, the network suspended him over new documents that revealed that he was more involved than previously known in aiding his brother, Andrew Cuomo, who is accused of sexual harassment. SANCHEZ: CNN retained an outside law firm to review information about

the anchor's involvement and that eventually led them to their decision.

Here to discuss is CNN chief media correspondent and the anchor of "RELIABLE SOURCES".

Brian Stelter, it gets a little awkward when we talk about the former company, the company, the institution we work for, but there are lines that journalists simply cannot cross.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: That's right. I look at this as if it were NBC or Fox or another network. We try to cover it the same way.

Here is the announcement from CNN, and I'll put in some context with new reporting we have overnight. CNN said that Cuomo was suspended earlier in the week pending evaluation of the new information that came to light back on Monday about his involvement with his brother's defense. CNN, as you mentioned, retained a law firm to review the information, review the documents that showed just how cozy he was with the governor's aides and then decided to terminate him effective immediately.

Here is a key line at the end of the statement: While in the process of that review, additional information has come to light. Despite the termination we will investigate as appropriate.

Overnight, "The New York Times" reported that additional information was an allegation of sexual misconduct made against Chris Cuomo by a staffer at another network. So, this was an allegation from a number of years ago made by a staffer who does not work at CNN. It was sent in earlier this week by a lawyer representing that former staffer.

So CNN management was aware of this allegation as of Thursday and Friday, and was also receiving information from the law firm that suggested or indicated that Cuomo could be fired for cause.

So you add all that together, and on Saturday, Cuomo was terminated.

PAUL: So talk to us about how Cuomo himself is responding, Brian.

STELTER: Well, number one, on the allegation of sexual misconduct from some number of years ago, his spokesman told "The New York Times" overnight these apparently anonymous allegations are not true. So, Cuomo denying that allegation.

Chris also saying in a statement about leaving CNN, that he didn't want his time at CNN to end that way, but was incredibly proud of what he and his team accomplished from "CUOMO PRIME TIME". It was, as he points out in a statement, often the number show, the highest rated show on CNN. He said he will miss that group of special people who did really important work.

And his producers won't be going anywhere. They will remain with CNN. They will continue to work on the 9:00 p.m. hour. Michael Smerconish who frequently fills in for Cuomo, he'll before hosting this coming week.

For viewers who liked Chris Cuomo and wanted to see him, there's some disappointment. I also think there's disappointment on what he was doing behind the scenes, how friendly and cozy he was with the governor's aides, trying to help his brother before his brother stepped down as a governor. This has been a very complicated situation all year long and now it is being untangled with his termination by CNN.

SANCHEZ: Brian, what could be next for Cuomo?

STELTER: I think there's no easy answer to that question. For the time being, Cuomo has hired his own outside PR people. I'm sure he sees himself back on television in the future. I don't think there's any easy or immediate answer to that question.

SANCHEZ: Brian Stelter, thank you for breaking it all down with us. Don't forget to catch Brian again on "RELIABLE SOURCES" later this morning, 11:00 right here on CNN.

We'll be right back.

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SANCHEZ: The latest numbers show the U.S. is averaging more than 100,000 COVID-19 cases each day for the first time in two months. As of yesterday, the seven-day average of cases has risen to more than 121,000. The increase comes after millions of Americans traveled during the Thanksgiving holiday. New testing requirements for international travelers go into effect tomorrow in an effort to combat the Omicron variant of the coronavirus.

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Except for U.S. citizens, people coming into the country must have a negative COVID-19 test within 24 hours of travel. The new order also extends a transportation-wide mask mandate for another two months.

Over the past year, methamphetamines have accounted for more than a quarter of all overdose deaths.

PAUL: Yeah, and across the country, meth is ruining lives and destroying families. And one of the many cities hit hard is Fresno, California.

CNN's Kyung Lah went on the front lines to get a street level look at this crisis.

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KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fresno County sheriff's deputy Todd Burk --

TODD BURK, FRESNO COUNTY SHERIFF DEPUTY: Hey, are you okay? Can you get out of the road, please?

LAH: -- on his typical graveyard shift, digging away night after night --

BURK: You're out here doing drugs?

LAH: -- at a deadly national crisis.

BURK: Out of the road. We're trying to help you.

Something is causing her to panic and to be paranoid.

LAH: That something is likely the drug law enforcement most often sees in the central California county.

BURK: Methamphetamine. When is the left time you used?

Very common for meth users that smoke it. But this is also a common way to use methamphetamine is they inject it.

LAH: This needle belongs to this driver.

BURK: Your car is expired big time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know, I know, I know.

LAH: This man says Deputy Burk can search his car.

BURK: Needles in the car?

LAH: And then talks to us about his addiction. He asked we don't show his face.

Do you use a lot?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've been using a lot like on and off all the time since, like I said, 13.

LAH: Why did you get started when you were 13?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have an older brother I looked up to and he found like that he wanted to introduce it to me, I guess. Of course, since I'm a kid, I'm going to say yes to my brother, you know? And then from there on, just took control.

LAH: Would you say you're a meth user?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course. I'm a drug addict.

LAH: He'd been in and out of prison and just lost his job as a forklift driver that pay $25 an hour. He took meth just yesterday, worried about how he'd take care of his family.

How old are your kids?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seven and 5. LAH: And how old are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eight. I'm trying to stay straight so I can have my kids straight.

LAH: How many people you know do meth?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone.

BURK: You know, methamphetamine is such an addictive drug. They can't get rid of it. They can't stop it. Even if they want to, they can't. Their body won't allow them.

LAH: Every single stop Deputy Burk makes on this shift involves meth.

BURK: Having a hard time? Need a program?

Methamphetamine would be the number one drug used in Fresno. It's so easy to obtain. It's not difficult. It's all over the streets out here.

LAH: New CDC data shows meth is all over the country's streets, and it's getting worse. More than 1 in 4 overdose deaths this year involved meth and other psycho stimulants. That's up nearly 50 percent from last year.

In California, deaths were up 64 percent year on year. And in Fresno, no other drug -- including fentanyl -- comes even close to the death rate of meth.

BOB PENNELL (ph), FORMER DOJ SPECIAL AGENT: It's not the same dope. It's different.

LAH: Former Department of Justice Special Agent Bob Pennell (ph) says dealers used to cook meth from a patron in super labs.

PENNELL: We'd hit these labs and we'd see nothing but blister packs. You had to have pseudoephedrinal (ph). And the minute we stopped it, death.

LAH: It was over.

So, now, Mexican cartels use common chemical agents in mega labs.

PENNELL: They're like Costco. They're just huge, huge industrial-sized buildings. So, they're basically warehouses.

LAH: And you can just manufacture it now at a much higher quantity.

Smuggled across the border as liquid, difficult to detect means cheap prices.

BURK: Hey, no warrants, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

LAH: And high supply impacting life across Fresno.

JOHN CHAPMAN, FORMER METH ADDICT: It's not even meth anymore.

LAH: Do you feel different on today's meth than the stuff that you grew up with?

CHAPMAN: More violent.

LAH: More violent?

CHAPMAN: More violent.

LAH: John Chapman lives in the neighborhood Deputy Burk patrols. While he shares a common story --

CHAPMAN: Oh, my God, I think I was 11, 11 1/2 when I started.

LAH: Who introduced it to you when you were 11?

CHAPMAN: I would say my mom did.

LAH: Your mom gave you meth?

CHAPMAN: Uh-huh.

LAH: At age 55, he managed to quit.

CHAPMAN: My legs will start spasming and stuff like that from it.

LAH: Because of the meth?

CHAPMAN: Yeah.

It gave me nerve damage. What it does, it actually fries your brain.

LAH: If you had kept going, what would happen to you?

CHAPMAN: I'd be dead.

LAH: There's no lifesaving antidote for meth overdoses. That's why Deputy Burk keeps pressing, night after night.

BURK: I want to see somebody who is constantly high on methamphetamine to change their life, become a productive citizen. I think they want it as well.

You're all done?

LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Fresno, California.

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PAUL: Wow. In other news today a massive volcano is erupting and rattles Indonesia.

[07:45:04] At least 14 people have died already. Rescues are continuing, but the danger isn't over. We have an update for you after the break.

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SANCHEZ: There's a volcanic eruption on the Indonesian island of Java that has killed 14 and displaced thousands.

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PAUL: Yeah, and the pictures are stunning. You're going to see those in a minute here, but we do know that they are conducting rescue operations right now. That can't really get a gauge of the full scale of the damage which started with this eruption yesterday yet, but CNN's Paula Newton does have the latest for us.

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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A touring ash cloud engulfs the sky in Indonesia, panicked villagers run for safety, with a giant plume of smoke from Mount Semeru looming behind them.

Authorities say the volcano, which is the tallest mountain on the island of Java erupted Saturday afternoon. Some people say it was an eerie scene, with the smell of sulfur in the air and the sky looking like it had turned from day to night.

One woman says there was a cloud raining down hot ashes, and then the sky went totally dark.

Thousands of people have fled the area. Though authorities say they were unable to reach some villages because roads are blocked by debris and mud. Heavy rains have further complicated rescue attempts.

THORICUL HAQ, LUMAJANG DISTRICT HEAD (through translator): There are families, parents and children who are not found yet but considering the hot lava, the hot temperatures, the field is tough. So what we can do is get to the locations that we know we can reach.

NEWTON: Officials say dozens of people have been wounded and suffered severe burns. A restricted zone has been set up within kilometers of the crater, many wary families taking up in village halls and mosques, where they await word of missing loved ones, unsure themselves on when they can return home.

Mount Semeru is one of Indonesia's active volcanoes and had a previous major eruption about a year ago. The volcanic ash advisory center has issued a warning to airlines that one part of the ash cloud could reach as high as 15,000 meters.

Paula Newton, CNN.

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PAUL: All right. Well, winter is here and there some people in the Great Lakes and Midwest who know it, already, very definitively. SANCHEZ: Let's get to meteorologist Tyler Mauldin. He's at the CNN

weather center.

Tell us how much snow are we expecting and where?

TYLER MAULDIN, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Hey, good morning.

Enough snow that some unlucky individuals have to pull the shovels out of dormant because this area of low pressure, another powerful winter storm, is moving east and as it does so, heavy snow will be produced. We are seeing heavy snow on the radar and once we go through time we're also going to factor in very strong winds.

For that reason, we have a blizzard warning in effect for the Minnesota Arrowhead region. The rest of the area from the north plains to Michigan in some sort of winter storm alert and we're going to pick up the consensus four to six inches of snow, however, some of us will deal with more than a foot of snow. We can see that in northern Michigan, portions of the U.P. as well as the Arrowhead region of Minnesota.

This area of low pressure is going to push to the east and as it does so, spread the snowfall to Canada and portions of New England. Down to the south we will see severe weather. Once we get to daybreak Monday, we have level two out of five risk for the mid-south, 4.5 million people in Arkansas going into Mississippi and western Tennessee.

Behind the system, arctic air plunges down from Canada. We're talking wind chills tomorrow morning that are going to be around minus 15 and it only warms up to a little above that zero-degree mark come the afternoon in the region -- guys.

SANCHEZ: Tyler Mauldin, thanks so much for that.

PAUL: Minus a15? I don't think I even want to wake up.

SANCHEZ: Or get out of bed.

PAUL: No kidding, no kidding.

You all stay warm wherever you have to be. We hope you make good memories. Thanks for being with us.

SANCHEZ: We appreciate it.

"INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY" is up next. Manu Raju in the chair this week.

PAUL: Boris, good to see you.

So, listen, staying active we know is important for a healthy lifestyle. You might be wondering how can we make walking safer for people of mature age and system get a better workout, even for everybody?

Well, Nordic walking with poles may be the answer. Here's more on the European fitness craze in today's "Staying Well." (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. AARON BAGGISH, CARDIOLOGIST: I got my introduction to sort ever Nordic walking or trail running with poles when I was in Europe last year and saw some of the best athletes in the world there running with poles.

JACK PAVLOCK, NORDIC WALKER: I use my poles because four year ago I had a minor stroke, so my walking and balancing isn't the best.

BAGGISH: It's really a good exercise for anyone. It turns out when we go from simply walking to engaging the arms in our core muscles, we burn 24 percent to 26 percent more calories and much less likely to injure ourselves because we have four points of stability.

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The best way to start is support people with their hands and grab them without engaging them. When people understand the natural arm swing and bring the poles into the movement purposely, it becomes a way to move faster and more efficiently.

PAVLOCK: They give you momentum, which is helpful.

BAGGISH: Safer, better for you and actually it's actually it is fun. The old age is people walk safely with canes. Why not have two canes? Why not have two canes that are fashionable, and not only for stability, and make you more efficient and give you a better workout?

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