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Source Says Jackson`s Body Emaciated, Riddled With Tracks

Aired July 08, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. In the hours surrounding the memorial for music icon Michael Jackson, the mystery surrounding his sudden death intensifies. As 20,000 people packed the Staples Center arena, L.A., millions around the world looking on, questions mount on Jackson`s sudden death, his half-a-billion-dollar empire, and more important, custody of the star`s three little children. Jackson`s 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket on full display in front of his 11-year- old little girl, Paris, during her heart-wrenching tribute to her father. But just a few miles away, legal eagles and homicide investigators working around the clock.

Bombshell tonight! Investigators reveal the superstar`s veins riddled with track marks, many of his veins actually collapsing from IV use, this confirming an autopsy report surfacing last week many people branded as a fake. Multiple vials of drugs found in Jackson`s home, drugs banned for consumer use and only kept behind locked doors in the hospital O.R. Jackson`s skin paper white, white as a T-shirt, his head bald, his body emaciated, all in direct contrast to private video released of Jackson just hours before his death at a full dress rehearsal.

This as the location of Jackson`s embalmed body still a mystery. How -- how -- do you lose a gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket with 20 helicopters hovering and thousands watching the casket exit Staples arena? Was he even in the casket? The Jackson camp in-fighting over where to inter the body, a part of Jackson`s brain still withheld for testing. Reports emerging Jackson ingesting 10,000 prescription pills in just six months. Five specific doctors under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a music superstar.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a gentleman here that needs help, and he`s not breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A source involved with the investigation tells us Jackson had, quote, "numerous track marks" on his arms and that those marks, quote, "could certainly be consistent with the regular IV use of a drug like Diprivan."

CHERILYN LEE, REGISTERED NURSE: I said, Look, this is a very serious drug. At first I almost wondered if he understood what he was telling me. And he said, Yes, I know exactly what it is. I`ve had it before. And I said, This is not a safe medication. He said, No, my doctor assured me that it`s safe. There`s no side effects, he said. It is safe. I said, Michael, it isn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some of the marks, the source said, appeared fresh, others older. In fact, some of the newest marks could have been caused when emergency medical personnel rushed into the house and used their own IVs in an effort to save him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a cocktail of drugs. I know that there are injection sites in Michael`s body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not breathing. And we need to -- we`re trying to pump him, but he`s not...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The source also said Jackson`s veins were, quote, "collapsed" in both arms, suggesting frequent intravenous drug use.

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GRACE: And tonight, the search for a little Washington Girl Scout who vanishes into thin air after leaving a friend`s house, 11-year-old Lindsey`s father desperate to find her. He is being sent to serve his country in Iraq in just days. Will he have to leave with her still missing? Tonight, where is 11-year-old Lindsey Baum?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A girl is missing, and her father is supposed to head off to Iraq in the coming weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Scott Baum. I`m Lindsey`s father.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Baum is in the National Guard. He`s with a unit in Tennessee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I`m here today to do is to tell everyone out there watching, please bring my daughter home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is Lindsey Baum?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was taking just a short walk from a friend`s house to her home in McCleary, Washington. She never made it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m fixing to deploy to Iraq. I would love nothing more than to see my daughter before I have to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police haven`t found any evidence to explain her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing that was found on the computer or on her cell phone has led to anything definite. It has afforded us the opportunity to talk to some more people, but nothing specific about her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And her dad is getting desperate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, if you know anything, contact the hotlines, contact any 911 centers. But please, bring my daughter home before I have to leave. I thank you.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, he`s not breathing, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK. He`s not conscious, either?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not conscious, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Murray found Mr. Jackson in his bed unconscious, with a faint pulse, not breathing there in his room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New disturbing details are surfacing now about the condition of Michael Jackson`s body on the day he died. A source involved in the investigation said the singer`s arms were riddled with marks and veins in both arms had collapsed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The source would not confirm if Diprivan had been found with Jackson, but he told us numerous bottles of prescription medication had been found in Jackson`s $100,000-a-month rented mansion. He described them as, quote, "dangerous drugs," similar to those found in a hospital setting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a personal doctor here with him, sir.

911 OPERATOR: Oh, you have a doctor there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. But he`s not responding to anything. He`s not responding to CPR or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As for Jackson`s body, the source described it as, quote, "lily white from head to toe." His final note, the body was emaciated, despite the vigor Jackson showed on stage during his final rehearsal just 36 hours earlier.

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GRACE: Straight out to Paul Vercammen, CNN producer on the scene. He was there at Staples Center arena. Paul, what can you tell me about losing a gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket? How, with 20 helicopters hovering over the Staples Center arena, can we not know where Jackson`s body is?

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN PRODUCER: Well, obviously, Nancy, these are masters at the art of deception and they have been throughout this case. There`s been reported infighting within the Jackson camp, and there have been many ideas as to where his final resting place should be. And in Los Angeles, there are so many places that you could possibly have taken this body that that is one of the reasons why no one knows where it`s going to go right now. And of course, still in the mix is they could cremate this body and bring it to Neverland, Nancy. So there`s a lot of options out there still.

GRACE: You know, I don`t understand that. How did it get out of an arena and nobody knows where it went? Did you see that crowd? You were there. There were thousands of people on the inside, thousands of people on the outside. There it is! It`s on video leaving the Staples Center! How could it just disappear?

VERCAMMEN: Well, exactly. I think that those people were very much part of the deception. I mean, it`s a chance for them to kind of have everyone look the other way, focus on the event. And then there are plenty of tunnels in and out of Staples, quite a few of them. You may even recall we went in there and watched that Jackson video by going through, if you will, the bowels of Staples. They had options. And by the way, I wouldn`t put it past anybody in these types of event to, you know, run out a dummy hearse or other smokescreen that they can.

GRACE: So are you suggesting, Paul Vercammen, that there`s not one but two 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" caskets draped with red flowers?

VERCAMMEN: Oh, I`m not suggesting that at all, but what I am suggesting is the Jacksons or anybody else involved with them could have easily gone off and thrown up diversions and possibly moved that casket as far away as, let`s say, 100 miles, if they wanted to.

GRACE: Paul Vercammen joining us there at Staples Center in L.A.

Out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. In-fighting in the Jackson camp -- do we know, was Jackson actually in the casket? Has he been cremated? And is it true, Ellie Jostad, that a portion of his brain is not in his body?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, yes. I`ll start with the brain. There are some AP reports that part of the brain or samples from the brain are still being held by the coroner for further testing or for results of testing.

And as far as the body goes, this was a closed casket event, so technically, we don`t know if he was -- if the body was in that casket. And apparently, the family is fighting. Some of the family members want the body to go to Neverland. Katherine Jackson says absolutely not.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Chris Myers, the senior executive editor at Radaronline. He -- Chris Myers has obtained more of the private chef`s interview. You can find it at Radaronline.com. And here, before we go to Chris, you`re going to hear, an addition to the new sound from Jackson`s personal chef, sound about oxygen tanks, waist-high oxygen tanks normally used with IV drug usage, being taken in and out of Jackson`s home, this as we learn his body, his arms, riddled with track marks, many of his veins collapsing from IV usage.

Take a listen to Radaronline sound of Jackson`s personal chef.

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DOUGLAS B. JONES, JACKSON`S FORMER CHEF: Dr. Murray was on the property five nights -- at least five nights a week. And my understanding was he was there all night to monitor Mr. Jackson.

There was a couple of occasions during my time of employment that I noticed Dr. Murray exiting the kitchen area through the side door to the driveway area, carrying oxygen tanks. There was occasions where I noticed during my time of employment that in the security mobile unit that was located in the driveway in the back of the house area, that there was a few oxygen tanks there, as well.

The oxygen tanks were waist high, from my height. The upper top portion of the tanks were green. The latter part of the tanks were silver. Heavy-duty tanks. You know, I had a cautious feeling inside, but you know, by a doctor being there, you know, that kind of, you know, passed by me.

Initially, when I got the call from my agent/headhunter, it was specifically mentioned to me that they wanted an African-American chef. Once I arrived at the property, I was instructed to drive around for about five minutes and then return. Once I got in, he apologized to me and he mentioned that Mr. Joe Jackson had showed up at the property. And he wasn`t allowed to enter the property, and he was very upset about it.

To that degree, they said, you know, he either shut the gate or hit the gate. And I think when he left, he was frustrated about something. You know, they didn`t tell me what the situation was.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just wanted to let you all know that you have been very, very supportive. And as you well know, Michael loved his fans more than (INAUDIBLE).

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has always said that his family is first and his fans are second. And I know (INAUDIBLE) that you`re here supporting him, and he`s watching every last one of you. And I just want to thank you all for being there for him. He loved you very, very much.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) all of your support. Michael will forever live in all of our hearts (INAUDIBLE)

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GRACE: You`re seeing video from TMZ.com of Jackson`s sisters speaking to the fans at the Nokia Theater, L.A.

We are taking your calls live. First to Chris Myers, senior executive editor, Radaronline.com. That interview with his personal chef is pretty astounding, now that we are hearing about his veins collapsed from IV use. And to use that particular drug, you apparently have to have oxygen on the stand-by.

CHRIS MYERS, RADARONLINE.COM: That`s right, Nancy. This could be a smoking gun. This chef, when we interviewed him, I don`t think he realized the significance of these oxygen tanks, but he was questioning, Why is a doctor there five nights a week, spending the night?

But as you know, when you`re in the emergency room, you know, Diprivan, a drug that sources close to the investigation tell us was found in the home -- Diprivan, when you use it in the O.R., you need oxygen to be administered to monitor your vitals and to keep, basically, your heart beating. And so the fact that there was oxygen tanks inside that home raises all kinds of red flags, like, Why are oxygen tanks in there? Well, now we know that that could be a vital piece of the investigation.

GRACE: With us, Chris Myers from Radaronline.com.

Ellie, today the developments are astounding. And the one I`m concerned about right now is the gang of five, five medical doctors apparently under suspicion for enabling an addict, which is completely against the law, to continue to give drugs, specifically this drug, to someone that is a known addict. Do we know who they are?

JOSTAD: We don`t know who any of the doctors are. We know that the LAPD has talked to Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor that was with Michael Jackson when he collapsed. But we don`t know if these are five additional doctors or if he`s one of the five.

GRACE: Take a listen to one of the doctors that many people thought were one of the five. He denies it.

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DIANE SAWYER, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA": There was even one report that you were the biological father of the children. Do you know who the father is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not to the best of my knowledge. All I can tell you is, best of my knowledge, I`m not the father of these children. I`m telling you, if push comes to shove, you know, I can`t say anything about it, but to best of my knowledge, I`m not the father of these children.

SAWYER: To the doctors you suspect are complicit in the addiction of someone like Michael Jackson...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Absolutely.

SAWYER: ... what do you say?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I say they`re criminals. I say that anyone who makes someone an addict or gives a person potentially dangerous substances directly to them to use, like propofol, is a criminal. And (INAUDIBLE) nothing more than a manslaughter, or something worse than that. This was a most loving human being that I grieve immensely for his loss from my life.

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GRACE: You`re seeing Dr. Arnold Klein, long-time friend of Jackson`s, on ABC`s "Good Morning America." That is the Arnold Klein that was his dermatologist. And remember, the mom of two of his children was an assistant to Klein, Debbie Rowe. So it`s all interconnected.

Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI, you know, Mike, I know you`ve done a lot of high-level crime with the feds, but what do you think of a man that says, To the best of my knowledge, I`m not the daddy? Translation, I`m the daddy.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: That`s a yes or no answer, Nancy. Period. You know, and he said, Oh, you don`t want to stir up any controversy, but that`s exactly what he`s doing. And he`s saying, When push comes to shove, I can`t say anything about it. To you know, me...

GRACE: Well, what I`m saying is, just common sense, wouldn`t you remember giving a sperm sample? Call me crazy, but then to go on ABC`s "Good Morning America" with Diane Sawyer, who spends her life questioning people...

BROOKS: Right.

GRACE: ... and say, You know, I don`t know if I gave a sperm sample, I can`t comment on that.

BROOKS: Oh, I think I`d know if I gave a sperm sample, that`s for sure, Nancy. And I tell you -- and for 23 years, Debbie Rowe worked for this guy. So come on! It doesn`t take a detective to figure this one out!

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, the famed victims` rights attorney, L.A., Karen Lynn Madoff (ph), trust attorney, L.A., Lauren Lake, famed defense attorney out of Detroit, Joe Lawless, defense attorney and author of "Prosecutorial Misconduct," out of Philly.

Gloria, he didn`t know if he gave a sperm sample?

GLORIA ALLRED, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Oh, that`s incredible. Just say, let me at him or let Nancy Grace at him to cross-examine them. This is incredible. Well, you know, I don`t know why he couldn`t say a simple no or a simple yes. Maybe he`s given other sperm samples.

GRACE: Maybe he signed a confidentiality agreement. Joe Lawless...

ALLRED: And that`s possible, as well.

GRACE: What about it, Joe?

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I remember every sperm sample...

GRACE: And why do we care? Why do we care? Because of all of the money on the line that will go to whoever gets those children?

LAWLESS: One of the issues is going to be who`s the biological parent of the children at some point, and that`s probably the reason the question was asked. I remember every sperm sample I`ve ever given. I don`t see why he couldn`t.

GRACE: Lauren Lake, what about it?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Oh, that`s absolutely ridiculous, Nancy. He knows whether he gave a sperm sample or not. This is just a mess!

GRACE: Karen Lynn Madoff, also joining us. How will it affect the disposition of the will?

KAREN LYNN MADOFF, TRUST ATTORNEY: Well, whether or not he gave a sperm sample should not affect the disposition of the will. What`s really going to affect the disposition of the will is whether or not there were assets that weren`t placed into his trust, or whether or not...

GRACE: So you`re saying who the biological father is of the children will not make a difference?

MADOFF: I don`t think, at this point, it will. It`s very unlikely that he would wind up being given paternity.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Michael Jackson`s death remains a mystery. His death certificate has been made public, but the cause of death is still unknown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source involved in the investigation said the singer`s arms were riddled with marks and veins in both arms had collapsed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What people are really looking for is high doses of this Diprivan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think there`s both professional liability and potential criminal liability here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: DEA and the LAPD will find out exactly what happened and who`s responsible for what`s happening. Somebody`s going to go to prison.

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GRACE: To Dr. Panchali Dhar, board-certified anesthesiologist and author of "Before the Scalpel: What Everyone Needs to Know About Anesthesia." Doctor, thank you for being with us. What`s the advantage to taking all these medications intravenously, as opposed to by mouth?

DR. PANCHALI DHAR, ANESTHESIOLOGIST: You cannot take Diprivan by mouth. In fact, most people hadn`t heard of this drug until this Michael Jackson tragedy occurred. Diprivan is a liquid and it has to be given through a vein.

GRACE: Got it.

So this is how it`s supplied. It`s supplied in vials, the same concentration. Comes in different vials. You can draw it up in a syringe and inject it into a vein.

GRACE: Doctor, I believe you have a demonstration for us.

DHAR: Absolutely.

GRACE: Go ahead.

DHAR: These are the three types of vials that Diprivan comes in. It looks like milk. It`s a liquid. You can draw it up in a syringe just like this, in a large syringe. But what you have to do is, you have to place an intravenous catheter in a person through a vein, and then you can hook up an intravenous line.

Right here, I have a demonstration, if you can hone in, on how Diprivan is given. Pure Diprivan can be pumped through an IV line just like this, with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand, like this. Give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was reportedly found inside the house. The question now, was it inside the singer? Diprivan is administered by a steady drip usually through an IV. Stop the drip, the medication almost immediately loses its effect. But when in use produces an almost comatose state.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A nurse who worked for Jackson told CNN he begged for the powerful sedative just a few months ago so he could go to sleep.

CHERILYN LEE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S ALLEGED FMR. NURSE, SAYS HE PLEADED FOR DANGEROUS DRUG: He said I really just need something that`s going to help me to sleep. And when he -- he was very persistent about it.

MICHAEL JACKSON, KING OF POP: I`m the kind of person that -- I believe in the highest of excellence. If I`m not satisfied I won`t let it go. Once I get exactly what I want.

LEE: He said I want it -- I wanted to drop -- I want an IV and because I know that the first drop when I look at it and I see the first drop hit my vein I`m asleep. And I sleep very well. And I just need to sleep.

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GRACE: The infighting over where to inter the body.

Ellie Jostad, the family apparently at odds over where to bury the body. What`s happening?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. Well, apparently, according to reports, Jermaine and Joe Jackson are interested in having Michael Jackson either buried there at Neverland or his body cremated and the ashes spread there.

Katherine Jackson believes that Michael Jackson never wants to return to Neverland. That he felt the place was tainted after the police raided it back in `05 and so there`s this fight over where he`s going to end up.

GRACE: To Dr. Caryn Stark, psychologist, joining us out of New York. Dr. Caryn, I`ll just tell you what that seems to be about. Those that are vying to have his body or his remains buried at Neverland want to create another Graceland like where Elvis` estate is so they can make money off of it.

Everybody that knows anything about Jackson even from 2,000 miles away has heard him say that after the police raid following child molestation charges he felt he never wanted to return to Neverland. End of story.

So why? Why else would they insist on burying him there?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, I think so much of it is about money. That`s what the family wants. It looks like those members of the family, yes, they are definitely interested in money and when you think about his addiction, Nancy, where did that come from?

That`s also from people who he has money, he has power, they want to be around him and so people do what they want. It doesn`t have anything to do with Michael Jackson anymore.

GRACE: What about the fact that these doctors that were feeding him these drugs were making money off of him? And look at all the stars that have died because people enabled them. I mean it goes all the way back to Marilyn Monroe. You`ve got Heath Ledger. The list goes on and on and on.

STARK: Lindsay Lohan, Anna Nicole Smith. And.

GRACE: Lohan is not dead.

STARK: She is not dead.

GRACE: Correction.

STARK: But if you remember, Nancy, she had a problem with drugs and people hanging around her.

GRACE: True.

STARK: Whenever they were trying to get her to stop. And that`s the problem. There are so many psycho fence. There are so many people.

GRACE: And remember Elvis Presley apparently had a whole tackle box full of drugs everywhere he went? I mean -- they just fed the addiction and that is what somebody is going to end up being charged with, Mike Brooks.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Nancy, that`s why the DEA is involved with the LAPD because keep in mind, every prescription that is given there is a DEA number on that. They can go back and find out, OK, what drugs were given to whom, when, by what name.

And, you know, the DEA also rules the pharmacies. They run the pharmacies. So they`re going to go back and take a look at all of these records of these doctors. There`s five doctors on that list, and you know, I think that some of the ones that would be right up front, Dr. Ratner, Dr. Klein and Dr. Murray.

GRAPHICS: Well, Klein was on "GMA" denying the whole thing. He also had no knowledge of giving a sperm sample.

To Carolyn in Massachusetts, hi, Carolyn.

CAROLYN, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Good evening, Nancy. Thanks.

GRACE: Hi, dear. Thank you for calling in. What`s your question?

CAROLYN: Thank you. Quick comment and then the question. As an RN there were two socio-economical classes that received the worst medical treatment, the privileged and the poor. Why will it be so hard to bring these doctors to justice?

GRACE: That`s my question, Joe Lawless. Will they be charged? Now we saw charges, for instance, in the Anna Nicole Smith case and the wrestler Benoit`s case. What about this one?

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT": Well, it`s a state or federal criminal offense to illegally prescribe prescription drugs and if a prescription is prescribed illegally.

GRACE: We know that, Joe. We know it`s an offense.

LAWLESS: Right.

GRACE: Will there be charges?

LAWLESS: I think in this case there`s going to have to be. I think the visibility of Michael Jackson is going to cause law enforcement to look at this a little more harshly. And if you believe what`s being taken out of the house, the volume here is such that it`s just something that can`t be shrugged off or overlooked.

GRACE: Lauren Lake?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what, I have to agree there with Joe. But at the same time, Nancy, just because we have a little evidence kind of coming around doesn`t mean it`s going to be proved in court. And that`s the bottom line.

GRACE: There we go again. So, Lauren -- keep Lake`s picture up, please.

LAKE: Yes, Nancy.

GRACE: Lauren.

LAKE: Yes.

GRACE: This Diprivan, you know where it`s kept? Under lock and key in the OR at the hospital. So how did it mysteriously fly through the air and get into Michael Jackson`s IV?

LAKE: And you know what? I have to be the defense attorney here and just say.

GRACE: Fair enough.

LAKE: . we do not know. We just truly don`t know how it got there. And until it can be proven and if it can be proven or if not.

GRACE: This is the first time I laughed all day. Thank you.

LAKE: I`m sorry. I live to make you laugh.

GRACE: That -- after that last answer I believe it. And out to Karenlin Madoff, probate and trust attorney.

Karenlin, again, thank you for being with us. Now Debbie Rowe in the mix for claiming she`s the biomom, not just the surrogate. You`ve got the grandmother, Katherine Jackson, 79 years old. You`ve got Diana Ross as the backup guardian and you`ve got the family, obviously, fighting and apparently siblings already have their hand out to Katherine Jackson for the money.

Now if the money has gone to her, at least 40 percent of it, can she dole it out as she wishes? Because apparently, at the end of her life that money is to go to Jackson`s three children. So can she spend it at will?

KARENLIN MADOFF, PROBATE AND TRUST ATTORNEY: It depends on what kind of control and what type of terms are in the trust. For example, it could say the money is for her benefit. And therefore the trustees will pay for things that she wants. She may be required to submit a budget for things that she wants. Or it may be outright distribution to her. So we`ll just have to wait and see if the trust ever comes to light.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. All the nuts are coming out of the woodwork. And now we learn there are reports that Jackson was never a pedophile. He was pressured into that $20 million settlement with one alleged child victim.

The one that disappeared, I believe, to Australia and couldn`t be reached at the time of the criminal trial and now the claim is going to come out next week that Michael Jackson was gay and he`s -- had a gay lover.

Listen, I don`t care how many confidentiality agreements were signed. That`s not the kind of thing you can keep under a lid. And if that`s true, which I do not believe that about Michael Jackson, if there`s a confidentiality agreement, that`s out the window at the time of his death.

Where are these reports coming from?

JOSTAD: Right. Well, Ian Helperin has a new book coming out. It`s going to be bombshell. He claims that not only was Michael Jackson gay, he had a lover, an adult male lover in Los Vegas that he met with repeatedly.

GRACE: I don`t believe that. I don`t believe that. And Glory Allred, if any of that were true and there had been a confidentiality agreement, isn`t that -- doesn`t that end with death? I mean, the state wouldn`t sue this alleged lover post-mortem.

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ADVOCATE: The confidentiality clause might not end with death. And also, let me say, Nancy, it really doesn`t matter who the biological father of the two children are because since those two children were born during the marriage of Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson, they are as a matter of law the children of Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson.

And it was never challenged in the first two years so that`s the end of the story. It`s interesting from a.

GRACE: You know, Gloria, I hope you`re right.

ALLRED: discussion point of view but not from a legal point of view.

GRACE: I hope you`re right. You usually are. And quickly, Natisha Lance, when are we going to get the official cause of death?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: A few more weeks, Nancy. Toxicology results could be back in up to a week and at least a week.

GRACE: At least a week.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 10-year-old girl vanished just blocks from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A heart-wrenching story, a missing girl and a father set to be deployed to Iraq in just weeks. Where is Lindsey Baum?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m Lindsey`s father. I would love nothing more than to see my daughter before I have to go. Please bring my daughter home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Vanished out of thin air is what it appears to be. There`s nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s very frustrating because we are not able to rule anything out because we have no evidence to point us in any specific direction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s what detectives have to work with. 10- year-old Lindsey Baum was last seen walking home from a friend`s house. She never made it the half mile to her house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve activated a lot of search and rescue resources. We have between 50 and 60 searchers from counties throughout western Washington. It`s becoming highly unlikely that she is still in McCleary.

The word is out. It`s not out just here in Washington but, you know, the words can spread throughout the country that we`re looking for Lindsey and we`re trying to keep her picture and her face in everybody`s mind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Baum is in the National Guard. He`s with the unit in Tennessee. Obviously the exact date of his deployment isn`t something that`s publicly discussed and he`s not at liberty to discuss that.

I think even if he knew exactly when that was going to occur, suffice to say he will be deploying overseas in the very near future. It`s very important to him and to the other members of the family that they be reunited with Lindsey as soon as possible.

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GRACE: The father of this missing girl set to be deployed to Iraq in just days.

Out to Jacob Jones with the "Daily World." What is the latest in the search for now 11-year-old Lindsey Baum?

JACOB JONES, REPORTER, THE DAILY WORLD, COVERING STORY (voice-over): Well, considering that yesterday was her birthday, the authorities wanted to get started off with a big push this week. They brought back out dozens of volunteers to search nearby off-road vehicle park just a few miles away and then they brought out the father stepping forward with a public plea for any new information on Monday.

Since then they`ve suspended the search but they`ve got about 12 to 15 deputies and detectives that are doing more specific searches and interviews with different people.

GRACE: Out to Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story. Matt, take me back to the time she went missing. What happened?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, she was with friends about six blocks away from her house. It`s in a very small community just west of Seattle. She`s walking home with that six blocks away, she never makes it home.

There`s a gas station in the middle of her walk that has surveillance video. She`s not seen in the surveillance video. She is sighted walking a few blocks from the house, never makes it home.

GRACE: And between the time she is sighted, I believe, by a neighbor, about three blocks from her own home. This is around 9:30 at night. I`m a little confused about who would send the child out to walk home alone at 9:30 at night. That aside, how long between that sighting by the neighbor and the time she was reported missing by her mother.

ZARRELL: It was about an hour later. Mom said she went out and looked for a few minutes and then called cops. And then went out looking again.

GRACE: And mom has taken and apparently passed a poly, right?

ZARRELL: Yes, she has.

GRACE: Why? Why did she feel she had to take a poly?

ZARRELL: She did not want the finger being pointed at her. She said I wanted to step forward and make sure everyone knows I had nothing to do with this. My daughter is missing. Please help me find her.

GRACE: Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI, weigh in, Mike.

BROOKS: Well, Nancy, you know, it`s very unusual as Matt said because that Shell station is right on the way. And in fact, there were two other people -- you know it`s a very, very small community, and everybody knows everybody else.

In fact, there were two people that actually saw her on the way home and said oh yes, well, we saw her walking on the way and then she just vanished into thin air, Nancy. But it close to an interstate so there`s always a possibility that she could have been abducted and someone just jumped on the interstate and took her out of the area.

GRACE: Now how close is it to an interstate and do you know what interstate it is?

BROOKS: No, I was talking to one of my sources that said it`s very, very close to an interstate. I wish I could tell you what the route number is. But apparently it is -- it`s very accessible to the interstate nearby.

GRACE: What about it? Back to Jacob Jones. Tell me about how close it is to an interstate. What interstate is it and where does it head?

JACOB: It`s within minutes. I mean maybe five minutes of a couple of different interstates. There`s the 108 running north and south. And then there`s Highway 8 that goes in between Gray`s Harbor and Olympia.

So there`s a lot of ways out of town within a close proximity. And I know that that`s a concern to authorities.

GRACE: Let`s assume she`s still alive. Out to the lawyers. To Joe Lawless, what would you advise whoever has Lindsey Baum?

LAWLESS: Obviously I`d advise them to turn her into a police station right away. I mean that`s the only thing you can advise. The circumstances under which they do it is up to them. But the longer they have her the deeper trouble they`re going to get in and God help them if anything happens to that child.

GRACE: Lauren?

LAKE: That`s exactly right. All you can do is tell them come to your senses, get a grip, turn her into the police and then beg for some kind of mercy.

GRACE: And Gloria Allred, I`ve seen it argued many, many times at trial. He turned himself in. He came to the cops. And believe it or not it does make a difference to juries and prosecutors.

ALLRED: It does make a difference. And even if the person doesn`t want to turn themselves in, perhaps he could make an anonymous call to the police and say where she is and that would be very important to the family and to the police.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Angie in New Hampshire. Hi, Angie.

ANGIE, CALLER FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hi. I love you. I can`t believe I got through.

GRACE: Thank you for calling, dear. What`s your question?

ANGIE: Well, thank you so much for all you do for these kids because who would be there? But anyway, I want to say God bless you and then I want to ask you a question. This little girl, we`ve seen so many on your show, dear, that are just walking home from a friend`s house.

I mean, was she living with her mom and dad? You know I think they think that they`re at a friend`s house. They`ll be safe walking home. You know I`m old fashion. I used to walk my kids to the friend`s house and them pick them up and walk them back.

But I was wondering who was in charge of her and if you could get the word out walk the kids to the friend`s house. I feel so bad when I hear this. And I wanted to know your opinion on that.

GRACE: I agree with her, Mike Brooks. I remember as a child if we went anywhere, our parents would take us, pick us up, or it was usually just across the street. They would open the door and watch as we walk home.

BROOKS: Absolutely. I mean, I didn`t get without one block, and if my father whistled I knew that was the time to come home. But Nancy, you know, in a small community like this, you know, a lot of people probably don`t even lock their doors, and you know, because it is. Nothing ever happens there. But you know, again, some who people live in small communities like this, they get lulled into a false sense of security.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. This father set to go to Iraq to serve his country while his 11-year-old little girl is missing. The tip line, 866-915-8299.

And to read about our cold cases, especially one about a missing mom of two, she vanishes during a divorce. That disappearance still a mystery. Go to CNN do CNN.com/nancegrace and then click on cold case.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m fixing to deploy to Iraq. I would love nothing more than to see my daughter before I have to go. Please, if you know anything, contact the hot lines. Contact any 911 centers. But please bring me my daughter home before I have to leave.

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GRACE: 11-year-old Lindsey Baum missing from just three blocks away from her home. The father, the mom divorced recently. He`s living in another state.

Out to the lines, to Linda in California. Hi, Linda.

LINDA, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, how are you, Nancy?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

LINDA: Well, I wanted to know, you know, since this was a small town, I wanted to know would everybody in the town be willing to let, you know, police officers come in, do a search through the home, throughout the home, and do they have like the hound dogs, they`re not picking up any scents of the child?

GRACE: You know, that`s the strangest thing, Linda in California. Isn`t it true, Matt Zarrell, that the bloodhounds could not pick up her scent? Even where the neighbors said they saw her?

ZARRELL: Yes, and what`s interesting, Nancy. They went out this week because they thought that there was increased moisture they might be able to get a scent now. They`re still looking, they`re hoping to find a scent right now. They haven`t found anything yet.

GRACE: Caryn Stark, the sense of helplessness the father is going to feel when he has to go back to Iraq with his daughter missing.

STARK: Nancy, it`s so hard to understand why they don`t delay his deployment, because after all that`s one war but he has a war right here. He`s fighting this personal crisis.

GRACE: Joe Lawless, is that possible to get a delay?

LAWLESS: I think the secretary of defense could do anything he wanted, and frankly, I wouldn`t want to deploy a soldier who didn`t have his head in the game if he was going to combat.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Corporal Juan Alcantara, 22, New York, New York, killed Iraq. Awarded the Purple Heart. Filled with love to country and community. Dreamed of following his sister`s footsteps to join the NYPD.

Loved basketball, football. A street named in his honor back home. Leaves behind mom, Maria, sister, Fredelinda (ph), and fiancee Seyonora (ph) and a baby girl he never met, Jaylani (ph).

Juan Alcantara, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us and a special good night from friends of the show, Joel and Melissa, the proud parents of four children watching from home, Will, Faith, Patton and Sarah Kate.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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