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Sexy Texts Between Dippolito and Lover
Aired May 21, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. A Florida beach beauty marries her dream man, and the newlyweds all set to live happily ever after until death does them part. What the 26-year-old beauty doesn`t plan on is the hitman she hires to murder the new hubby is a cop. That`s right, the cops sting the bride on video, breaking down in hysterical tears, crying over her dead husband just hours after she puts those special final touches on his shooting death. The secret informant who alerts police to the murder plot, her boyfriend, of course. Just six months into marriage, she gets a lover, and it`s all caught on video.
Bombshell tonight. You know, there`s a lot to be said for having a spare, according to Dippolito. We learn the bride had a spare, taking up with a second lover shortly after exchanging wedding vows. Tonight, from police files, we obtain hundreds -- hundreds -- of secret, sometimes X- rated text messages between the newlywed bride and lover number two, the super-secret lovebirds making plans to get the husband out of the way, all within days of the bride`s hitman-for-hire murder plot.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the stunning case of a Florida beach beauty accused of hiring a hitman to kill her hubby of six months.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the time you get back from the gym, you`re going to find two things, either a dead body in the house, all right, or nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just released, nearly 50 pages of graphic text messages prosecutors say were exchanged between accused murder-for-hire bride Dalia Dippolito and her alleged lover.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "LOL. Nice. You`re great. Thanks for everything. So do you approve of my boobs?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Need another look and touch, LOL, ah, yes."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I can`t wait to have your baby" (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We`re both great and better together."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steamy messages taking place just days before she`s set up by police.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I want to feel you in me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ouch."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What? LOL. Are you speechless? Do you want my hot, tight body all over you? Soulmates is what we are (INAUDIBLE) baby (INAUDIBLE) I want your child in me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And secretly videotaped breaking down into hysterics at the news her husband`s dead...
DALIA DIPPOLITO, CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER: Oh, no! No! No!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... only to discover he`s alive and well.
DIPPOLITO: Oh, my God!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s alive.
DIPPOLITO: Come here, please! Come here. Mike, come here! Come here, please! Come here!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t fix this.
DIPPOLITO: Why not? (INAUDIBLE) Mike, come here, please! Come here!
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GRACE: Alert the Academy! I think they made a little mistake with the Oscar. Good evening, I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. A Florida beach beauty marries her dream man. But what the 26- year-old beauty doesn`t plan on is the hitman, the hitman she hires to murder her husband, her brand-new husband, is a cop. Bombshell tonight. From the police files, hundreds of secret text messages between the newlywed bride and boyfriend, boyfriend number two. The jury will have a field day.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. Newlywed bride Dalia Dippolito caught on tape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) change your mind. (INAUDIBLE) change of mind (INAUDIBLE)
DIPPOLITO: There`s no changing -- no, there is no, like...
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DIPPOLITO: I`m positive, like, 5,000 percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on text message.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I miss you kissing me. It was amazing. Love you so much. I`m so horny for you. I want you in me, baby."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ouch, ouch, love me, want me, and in you in the same sentence, wow."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say hundreds of intimate exchanges with her alleged secret lover were sent in the days leading up to a botched murder- for-hire hit on her new husband.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What were you thinking when you saw me naked? Be honest."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "And this is really happening? You shocked me."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. I miss you. I can`t wait. Love you. I`m crazy about you."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I wish I was next to you. I really want to kiss you and feel you against me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dippolito allegedly tells her secret lover she needs to a way to get rid of her husband, proposing freezing his assets and having him arrested.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Baby, we need to make this happen with his arrest by the weekend. I need to be with you. Hate being away from you. You could call the Treasury Department and pretend to be him and pay them using his checking account number and wipe him clean."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only problem?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to jail for solicitation of first- degree murder of your husband.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did the transfer, but he said because we`re married, I can`t sell it without his signature, even though it`s in my name."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Divorce him while he`s locked up. Judge will side with you."
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GRACE: If you think you`re blushing, imagine what the jury is going to do when they hear this. We knew that Dalia Dippolito is charged with hiring a hitman to kill her brand-new groom. What we didn`t know is that she had not only one lover but a spare lover.
From the police files tonight, we obtain the secret text messages, sometimes X-rated. But go ahead and buckle your seatbelt. You`re not hearing anything a jury won`t hear.
Straight out to Hugh Nolan, investigative journalist. Hugh, how did they get these messages? And how did she dig up lover number two so quickly after the marriage? I mean, they had barely kissed at the alter, and suddenly, she`s got two boyfriends? And I`m putting that euphemistically.
HUGH NOLAN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Oh, of course. Well, to answer the first question first, the messages were released by the state attorney`s office pursuant to a request for the discovery evidence that was made by numerous news organizations in Palm Beach County. As for...
GRACE: No, I`m asking you how the cops got it, from just checking -- I thought she had a secret cell phone. Is that what she was using for her text messages?
NOLAN: She was using a cell phone that was singularly for her use that was not a cell phone that Michael Dippolito was aware she was using. This has been confirmed to have been in her possession and to have been messages originating with and returned to her.
GRACE: OK, right there -- hold on. Hold that thought, Hugh Nolan. Right there, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers," when you see your wife with, like -- or your husband with four or five cell phones in their pocketbook or their car, and you only know about one phone number, that should be a little clue that there could be a problem. Yes or no?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: But remember, she has a long history of manipulating men. She tries to manipulate the police officers on that clip. She tried to manipulate the lover with sexuality. She`s trying to manipulate her husband into signing the house over. So I think, you know, she married the type of guy who was easily manipulated.
GRACE: Take a listen to more of the secret text messages we have, then we`ll go back to Hugh Nolan for explanation. Go ahead, run it, Dana.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "You need to know that in my world, no woman can compare to you. And I`m not looking. I already know you`re the one."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you so much."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I love you so much, infinity plus, plus. I`ve missed you. Sorry, with you, I just say what I feel. You do it to me."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Please come down."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I will check flights. I could always take your mom out to dinner Saturday night. I would have come from Atlanta had I known."
"Hey, babe, I promise I`m trying. I love you, I promise."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I know you are. Call the IRS and see what can be done. And please follow up with probation. Please. I love you so much. Just want to be with you. Do you think you should talk to the banks?"
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GRACE: Did you hear that? Unleash the lawyers. I love you, too, now call the IRS. That was the last text message. With us, felony prosecutor Eleanor Odom, defense attorneys Renee Rockwell and Peter Odom joining us out of Atlanta.
Eleanor, this will come in at trial, all of these text messages.
ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Yes, and as the prosecutor, I am just so happy about that because that lays out your case for both of them, Dippolito and her alleged lover, as well, if they charge him with attempted murder, as well as party to a crime.
GRACE: To Renee Rockwell. Go ahead and explain to me why -- I`m sure your theory is -- these won`t come into evidence.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, they`re going to come in, Nancy. But this is not a case that`s going to go to trial. It`s all there in black and white...
GRACE: Not what I asked you.
ROCKWELL: This is -- it comes in...
GRACE: I asked you, what the defense -- well, the question is, how will they try to keep the text messages out of evidence? Keep it in the middle of the road, Renee. Just try to just start with this one question. Then we`ll build from there.
ROCKWELL: You know what?
GRACE: What?
ROCKWELL: I don`t think anybody will keep them out. As long as they were obtained legally, as long as they weren`t illegally obtained, they`re coming in. Let`s say that the -- somebody eavesdropped or got in there and typed up a transcript of these text messages, that doesn`t come in. But if the police get them...
GRACE: No, that`s not true.
ROCKWELL: ... and procure them, they come in.
GRACE: Well, first of all, your last scenario is not true. If a private individual violates your privacy and then gives that to police, that absolutely will definitely come in. The Constitution does not protect you from another private individual. The Constitution protects you from the state, the police, prosecutors. So that last scenario just doesn`t even make sense because that will definitely come in. You said if a private individual taped it.
ROCKWELL: What I said -- if somebody illegally gets in there...
GRACE: Yes?
ROCKWELL: ... and transcribes it to bring it in. But if the police legally get them through no form of eavesdropping which is illegal, it does come in. But Nancy, again, I`m saying this -- it does not come in because it`s not -- it`s not going to be a trial, is what I`m trying to say.
GRACE: Yes, I heard you say that...
ROCKWELL: This is going to be damage control...
GRACE: ... the first four or five times.
To Peter Odom. What I`m trying to get -- if either of you cannot give it to me, I will go back to Eleanor, the prosecutor, for the defense. What will be the argument to keep the text messages out, Peter Odom? Do you have an idea?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure.
GRACE: OK.
PETER ODOM: The best argument I can make to keep those out is that you can`t specifically tie them to her, you can only tie them to the telephone, OK? Now, that`s not a great argument because no one`s going to come up with a great argument. And I don`t think...
GRACE: Please put Peter Odom up!
PETER ODOM: ... anybody`s going to come up with a winning argument.
GRACE: Peter, that was a valiant try, but of course, it`s not going to work. But you know, Eleanor, what I was looking for was this answer, that someone would say that this is just a way to smear her character, that these discussions have -- these discussions with lover number two have nothing to do with murder. They`re all about getting over on the husband, trying to get his money, and have nothing to do with the murder. In other words, it`s more prejudicial smear than probative, proving an attempted hit. If I were the defense attorney -- not to give them any ideas -- that would be my argument number one, not that it would work, but maybe.
ELEANOR ODOM: Oh, it might work, Nancy. You might keep some of them out if you go to character evidence. After all, they could argue it`s just conversation between two people in love.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "He`s so full of (DELETED) and ungrateful, crying broke with $100,000 in the bank, a house, nice cars. So what if he`s on probation? He`s been on it for five years. He`s an ass."
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DIPPOLITO: Oh! No! No!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-six-year-old Dalia Dippolito tried to pay a hitman $3,000 to kill her husband. Turns out that hitman was an undercover police officer tipped off by a confidential informant.
DIPPOLITO: I didn`t do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "We need to strategize."
DIPPOLITO: And I didn`t plot anything!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "We need to make this happen."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I overlooked a lot of things and...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Do you approve of my boobs?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, you try and look -- see the best in people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Next we need to figure out his account."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s 10:50. I should be -- should have been dead at, like, 9:00.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I`m not going to change my mind. I`m 5,000 percent sure."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... saying she`s 5,000 percent sure.
DIPPOLITO: ... 5,000 percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE:
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I want it done."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had been dealing with an undercover police officer posing as a hitman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ah, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your husband is well and alive.
DIPPOLITO: Thank God!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Think about how we can pull this off."
DIPPOLITO: (INAUDIBLE) right to remain silent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Babe, can you talk? I need to book my flights."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Book it for Fri. Can`t wait to see you. Can you call them back now? Need to know if they can freeze it."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "OK. And leave Friday night, right?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I`ll call you in a few and we`ll talk. Please call them back."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "K."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Text me after you talk to them. You can give them banking info account and how long it takes because he`s going to move the money."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "K. I`ll call now."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "K. Make sure they look him up."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I will push. One or two Ps in name?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Two Ps, Dippolito."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "K. Thanks."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You are hearing from police files text messages of Dalia Dippolito, now charged for hiring a hitman to murder the groom, her groom. These are not just to boyfriend number one, but boyfriend number two, as well. She certainly arranged to have a spare -- this just days after her marriage.
We are taking your calls, but first to Susan Spencer-Wendel, reporter with "The Palm Beach Post." Susan, what is the latest in the case?
SUSAN SPENCER-WENDEL, "PALM BEACH POST" (via telephone): The latest, the depositions are actively under way. No indication of her defense has come to light yet, either from the line of questioning that the defense attorney is using in the depositions or to any of the court filings.
GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. What are the developments in the case? Is Dippolito is still out on bond, on house arrest, living at her mom`s house?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, she sure is, Nancy. She is at her mother`s house, on house arrest. She made bail. She`s there until, you know, she goes to trial.
But Nancy, the things on these text messages -- she and her boyfriend are actually allegedly plotting to try to get her husband arrested. And remember, back at the beginning of the case, we heard that her husband claimed there`d been a couple of strange incidents where he found drugs in his car and he didn`t know how they got there. Now, these text messages make it look like she and her boyfriend allegedly arranged to plant those drugs, trying to get him in trouble.
GRACE: And she was trying her best, Ellie Jostad, to get him to sign their quarter-million-dollar townhouse to her name only, correct?
JOSTAD: That`s right. And she actually succeeded in that. She convinced him just a few days after they got married to put the house in both of their names, then later convinced him to put it just in her name, saying that, you know, he had this civil liability against him, she was afraid that somehow the house could be taken away from them. So you know, it`s better, just put it in my name. So the house is actually in her name right now, Nancy.
GRACE: And if I`ve got the timeline right, Ellie Jostad, within 24 hours of getting her new husband, the groom, to sign the house, a quarter- million-dollar house, to her name only, she went shopping for a hitman.
Joining me right now, Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Ben, thank you for joining us. He`s joining us out of St. Thomas, Virgin Islands, tonight. Ben, there is talk about spoofing phone calls and text messages between Dippolito and her lover. What is spoofing? And what is a spoof card?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): OK, this is really interesting, Nancy. The technology today is such that, we expect to get caller ID when somebody calls, and maybe even calling name ID. What a spoof card lets you do, or a spoof Web site, it allows you to call somebody or text somebody, and you get to pick what caller ID they are going to see.
Now, let me tell you one of the most popular ones -- these are legitimate businesses and there`s a legitimate purpose to spoofing. One of the most popular ones is a spoof card. And what you do is you buy a card. There`s an 800 number on that card. You call the 800 number. It asks you, What number would you like to call? And you punch in a number. Then it asks you, What number would you like the caller ID to show? And the caller ID, you punch that in. And then it asks you, Would you like to speak as a man or a woman?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you, baby."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Infinity plus, plus? LOL, I love you sweetheart."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Soul mates. So happy I saw you, baby."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Me, too. Soulmates."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Really wish you would have (DELETED)"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ah, me too. I`m so sorry."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "LOL. Baby, I love you. I only want to (DELETED) I`ll be here waiting for you. You have made me smile and laugh. Haven`t done that in forever."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Ah, me too. I`m so sorry. Wow, love it, baby. Less than a minute. Ah, WTF?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: She just got married, and she`s saying she hasn`t smiled in forever. She hasn`t even been married but couple months.
We are taking your calls. Out to Sheila in Ohio. Hi, Sheila.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I just want to tell (ph) you cutie- patootie (ph) twins. And then also -- your twins are adorable. And then also, I wanted to ask and get your opinion on this, about these girls that are so attractive, when they get in trouble, how come they get out on bond and get house arrest, and the not so attractive or whatever -- you know what I`m saying, Nancy. You know what I`m saying.
GRACE: I know exactly what you`re saying, Sheila. I`m going to go to you, Eleanor Odom. She`s right. I mean, look at Lindsay Lohan. Look at this woman, Dalia Dippolito. She`s a stunner. She`s got a body like a Greek goddess. She`s out on bond, house arrest. Her mama`s making her chicken soup tonight. She`s living it up.
ELEANOR ODOM: Well, you`d like to think that Lady Justice is blind, but sometimes people who don`t have records and maybe have money get a few extra favors or treats, shall we say, than people who don`t have the means.
GRACE: Well, I think it`s got a lot to do with the judge because, you know, Eleanor, the day that you finally make it to the bench, I`ve got a funny feeling that a pretty face will not change your ruling, or a big bust in this case.
ELEANOR ODOM: Well, that`s right, Nancy, because you have to rule according to the law because a judge faces reversal if they rule incorrectly.
GRACE: To Paul Penzone, director of prevention programs at Childhelp.org, former sergeant with the Phoenix PD. What do you think about that, Paul?
PAUL PENZONE, CHILDHELP.ORG: About her being released? You`re exactly right. It is -- unfortunately, there is bias in those decisions oftentimes because we don`t view women oftentimes as much of a threat as we do men. If it was a man trying to kill his wife (INAUDIBLE) continued.
GRACE: Oh, Paul, Paul, I`m so glad you said that. Ellie Jostad, we don`t think this was the first attempt on her husband`s life. Remember?
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: Tell Paul about that.
JOSTAD: Yes, there`s actually allegedly two other times. First time, she met some guys on the beach who claimed to be hitmen. She paid them to kill her husband, but they took off with the money. Another time, she bought him a drink, a tea drink from Starbucks, poured antifreeze in it, allegedly, and gave it to him. Neither of those things worked.
GRACE: Oh, yes, she`s not dangerous at all.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "All of life`s pain goes away if I end up with you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Love you."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sorry to text so late, but I`m out, and nobody moves like you."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "For sure. Like I said, the drugs have to be in the car or house. I want you. I`m so horny for you. My life is blah without you. It has been for a long time. Baby, we need to pull this off by the week. I hate my life without you."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I have held on for you. We`re meant to be. I`m not whole without you. I was really hoping you would miss me."
UNIDENTIFIED UNDERCOVER POLICE: I just want to make sure that, you know, this is what you want. All right? So you`re sure you want to kill this dude?
DALIA DIPPOLITO, TRIED TO HIRE HIT-MAN TO KILL HUSBAND: Do we really have to --
(LAUGHTER)
NANCY GRACE, HOST: OK, she`s walking up. She`s gotten a call at the L.A. Fitness Center to come home immediately. OK. Look at the other cops. This is what I like. They all know he`s not dead. Oh, god. No. No, no - -
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Do you know who this guy is?
DIPPOLITO: No.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: You`ve never seen him before?
DIPPOLITO: I`ve never seen him before. Ever.
GRACE: . OK. It`s about time she should bend over with abdominal pains. She`s about to collapse out of grief.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Think about how we can pull this off and we`ll strategize tomorrow. Do you think we can handle it this week?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "As long as we come up with something. Sure. That would be awesome."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Together we can do anything. We just need to be smart. I need to make sure he does serious time. I love you so much."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I`m smiling. I love you so much, babe."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Sorry I had to get of with you. Do you know how amazing and great you are?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I understand. Thank you, though. Well, I must be for you to love me."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I am always going to love you. You are my world."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Wow. Good deal because I will love you, soul mate."
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. I want to go back to Hugh Nolan, investigative journalist.
So, Hugh, all of these text messages that we are hearing tonight -- and there are many, many more that we are not playing. I believe they`ll all come into court. But what do they prove in your mind. You`ve gone through them very carefully.
HUGH NOLAN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, at this point, they don`t prove anything connected directly to the murder as was mentioned earlier. There are no mentions or discussions of any desire --
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GRACE: How about her frame of mind, Hugh? How about her frame of mind?
NOLAN: As far as it will come and certainly into play in terms of the alleged motive for the hit, which certainly was the financial gain she stood to make. Her desire to get hold of the home. Her desire also to make sure that anything she couldn`t get ahold of Michael was deprived of access to so that her husband would not be able to in any way retaliate or make any sort of attempt to stop her and her intentions.
And that certainly would go to support what has been said to be the motive for her attempt to hire the hit-man.
GRACE: To Susan Spencer-Wendell, reporter with "Palm Beach Post," what do you know about her house arrest? How was she doing on that?
SUSAN SPENCER-WENDELL, REPORTER, PALM BEACH POST: I know that she`s closely monitored and always, you know, kept on a location device that constantly tracks where she is. But saying anything more than that, I`m not precisely sure, so I won`t say.
GRACE: Well, Susan, what can you tell us about the background of the case? The plot she had against her husband?
SPENCER-WENDELL: Well, it was -- it was shortly, as you said earlier, shortly after the house was signed over to her, she was talking to the hit- man. And that has been a motive throughout the entire -- you know, one of the chief motives for the alleged crime.
And the text messages -- just to expound on what you asked Hugh a moment ago. The text messages do indicate her state of mind that he -- she wanted him out of her life. And with her alleged lover, they are saying things like the faster he gets jammed up, the faster we`re in paradise, baby.
She -- from those text messages you can see clearly her state of mind. She wanted him out of the picture. Of course, in the text messages to the alleged lover she`s just speaking of getting him arrested by his probation. Tripping him up somehow. Not murdering him.
GRACE: To Dr. Titus Duncan, surgeon at the Atlanta Medical Center. Dr. Duncan, thank you for being with us. At one point Dippolito allegedly tried to kill her husband by putting antifreeze into his Starbucks.
How much antifreeze would it take to kill an adult male?
DR. TITUS DUNCAN, M.D., GENERAL SURGERY, ATLANTA MEDICAL CENTER: For about a normal size male, it only takes about four ounces to actually kill a person. So not a whole lot.
GRACE: Did you say 3 or 4 ounces?
DUNCAN: About 4 ounces in a normal-sized male.
GRACE: Four ounces.
DUNCAN: Right. Four ounces.
GRACE: What is that like? Four teaspoons? What is 4 ounces?
DUNCAN: Four tablespoons.
GRACE: What?
DUNCAN: Four tablespoons.
GRACE: Four tablespoons.
DUNCAN: Right.
GRACE: And Ellie, she allegedly put that in a Starbucks tea?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. It was tea, but apparently he drank it and, you know, I don`t know if he could taste the antifreeze, but he -- you know, thought there was something strange, he spit it out, but apparently he still, you know, got sick to his stomach, had some -- maybe got sick a little bit. But obviously survived it.
GRACE: OK. Ellie, how did these two hook up to start with? How long were they married?
JOSTAD: Well, Michael Dippolito and Dalia Dippolito got married in February of last year. They were only married about six months when she was arrested.
Apparently they met because she used to work as an escort. And Michael Dippolito, although he told us at the beginning that he met her at Starbucks, he apparently later reportedly admitted he did indeed meet her when he hired her as an escort.
GRACE: OK. Dr. Bethany Marshall, there you have it.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, she`s a black widow. And she picked the perfect profession to find the right man who she was going to use as her mark. What better profession than being an escort to find a wealthy man who you can eventually kill for his resources?
And what really frightens me about this, Nancy, she became more emboldened with time. First it was the antifreeze, then she found the hit- man. What if she had been successful? Who would have been her next mark? How many men could there have been?
Maybe the undercover guy -- this supposed lover -- if he was a man of wealth, I don`t know if he was, maybe he would have been the next hit. So I mean, I think it`s really a good thing that we as a society put a stop to this at this point.
GRACE: And, you know, Dr. Bethany Marshall, if you take a look at serial killers, and there have been quite a few black widows. They go on and on and on without getting apprehended.
A lot of times they will move geographically, to a new region. They`ll change their looks, dye their hair, use a different name. But they`ll do the same thing over and over and over again without being stopped.
MARSHALL: You bring an excellent point because as I was conceptualizing her personality, like what`s her psychopathology, I kept thinking about this serial killer who has an obsessive fixation on the victim because the victim -- it`s satisfying to have power over the victim and to literally put the victim in the grave.
And there`s actually often sexual excitement associated with that. And we can see all the sexuality and all the text messages in a sense she was getting off as she was planning to kill somebody. Isn`t that what serial murderers do?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Call my other phone with the spoof. He wants to drop the paper. Tell me tomorrow. Call now, please, with the spoof 561 num."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Call your 305 or 561?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Need someone professional to meet me at the Miami courthouse at 2:00 and act like a legal secretary and take a paper from us. They just need to say they are taking it to the attorney and thanks for meeting us. They were in depositions all day.
"I need you to spoof the call and tell him that he needs to meet your paralegal at 2:30 at the courthouse and that since you`re on vacation, you live at the courthouse. Your paralegal`s name is Sergio. If he asks and you apologize for the inconvenience but you`re filing it tomorrow and you need to revise the documents before and just in case it`s the Miami courthouse on flager 230.
"I told them I spoke to you earlier but it`s better if you call him. Can you do it now? Baby, you there?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "In and out of tunnels, so service goes out. I can`t. I told him this already and that it would be coordinated with you, not me calling again."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I`m going to be in a bright orange dress and Mike in a yellow shirt and blue shorts. Be there before 2:00. We`ll be there at 2:00."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "OK."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "When is your meeting over?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "About 15 minutes. You can call me then, it`ll get me out. Are you OK?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I need you to call me and act like doc. Just ask me why I didn`t come in and how I`m feeling."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "OK. I will call from private num in 15 minutes."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Call sooner, please, my other phone, please, please, in five please".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "OK. 305 phone?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Thank you. In five. You`re Dr. Emerick."
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DIPPOLITO: I`m a lot tougher than what I look. You`re like, oh, what a cute little girl. Whatever.
UNIDENTIFIED UNDERCOVER POLICE: That, you are.
DIPPOLITO: You know, but I`m not. I`m not.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A stunning twist in the case of a newlywed bride accused of plotting her husband`s murder.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: You better quit your playing.
UNIDENTIFIED UNDERCOVER POLICE: Sure you want to kill this dude?
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DIPPOLITO: I`m positive like 5,000 percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: After shocking police video of her meeting with and allegedly hiring a hit-man to kill her new husband.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Where you`re saying you`re 5,000 percent sure you want him dead. You think I made that up?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Now hundreds of raunchy text messages emerge sent from Dalia Dippolitio`s very own cell phone number. Pining and professing her love for her alleged lover.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I miss you kissing me. It was amazing."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ah, yes, wow. Hey, just spoke to mom, she`s the best."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I think now we`re closer than ever. Do you agree?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Yes, I do agree. We`re better. Maybe it had to happen. I`m sorry."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Me too. Real sorry. You`re my everything. Forever."
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: We filmed everything that you did. Recorded everything that you did. You`re going to jail for solicitation of first- degree murder on your husband.
DIPPOLITO: I didn`t do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Good morning, baby. How was last night?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Hey, babe. It was good. I loved how -- however, I did miss you a lot. Really sorry for texting so late, but I did want you to know that you are number one."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Love you so much. And I love the way you are with me. I love the attention."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I`m glad. Baby, you are numero uno. Really. And I always want to show you."
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GRACE: Numero uno. OK. Eleanor Odom, there`s going to be opposition to bringing these text messages in at trial. But what will they really prove when they come in?
ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: I think they show, not only motive, but planning. That they`re planning to get rid of him through getting rid of the house, trying to set him up with the drugs. It was all going against her and her supposed lover.
GRACE: Back to Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining us from the Virgins Island (INAUDIBLE), we keep hearing her refer to a spook as the -- OK, as the Kentucky card. But the actual term is spoof, S-P-O-O- F, as in Frank, card . And we`re seeing the context you explained earlier in which it`s used.
She`s telling the boyfriend call me from the spoof card, 510 area code, and be the doctor. OK, now call me from the spoof card, 310, and you be the lawyer arranging the paralegal meeting us at the courthouse steps. So is that the way they`re typically used?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Well, obviously this is a malicious use. I have a great defense for it, by the way.
GRACE: OK.
LEVITAN: The thing is, he is -- if he`s receiving a message he believes to be from his lawyer`s phone number, he`s going to comply. So that`s a malicious use to get him to come down to the courtroom. Now her defense can be easy. Because she can say I didn`t do any of these text messages, they were all spoofed by someone else.
GRACE: Explain to me, again, how it works, Ben Levitan.
LEVITAN: Well, if I want to send -- if I -- in this case, she wants her husband to sign over the papers and so she sends a text message or has someone send a text message where the caller I.D. is her lawyer`s office or his lawyer`s office, he believes he`s getting a text message from his lawyer.
And his lawyer is telling him, I`m sorry, I`m out of town, but I need you to file these papers, will you meet my paralegal? And obviously he doesn`t know the paralegal. So he believes -- he truly believes that his lawyer is calling him just based on the caller I.D.
How would he have any other, you know, opinion? So he complies with what his lawyer said.
GRACE: To Paul Penzone, the director of Prevention Programs, childhelp.org. Paul, this is kind of new technology for law enforcement. How do you get it in? How do you prove that this is what it was used for and how it`s used?
PAUL PENZONE, DIRECT OF PREVENTION PROGRAMS, CHILDHELP.ORG, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX PD: The spoofing can be very distracting as far as being able to redirect what`s going on. But investigations are in totality. Cumulative evidence. It`s much like a wiretap.
Their behaviors are very consistent with what the text messages are. So it`s not as though you don`t have overt acts to confirm what occurred. They can try to deny it in certain ways, but it`s going to take more investigative background, looking into their personal phones that they have where any of these text messages captured there.
And then those will bring the whole pictures together. So investigators don`t just look at one piece and stop there. They create a totality of evidence to paint entire picture that`s harder to pull that apart.
GRACE: To Dr. Titus Duncan. Dr. Duncan, you know, people are making light and laughing about the spoofing and the text messages and the hit-man plot. But explain to us what a victim goes through if they ingest enough antifreeze to kill them.
DUNCAN: Well, first of all, they look like they`re intoxicated. A little like they`re drunk at first. And then after a shorter period of time, then they`ll become confused, dizzy, sometimes they`ll black out.
If it stays in your system long enough, then you start getting more nausea, more vomiting, then you black out and go into kidney failure and liver failure. And eventually if you don`t get some sort of medical attention, you will die.
GRACE: It`s extremely painful, is it not, Dr. Duncan?
DUNCAN: It can be. I mean most of the pain coming from the fact that you`re, again, having a lot of nausea and a lot of vomiting and it really, really kind of gets to the real pit of your stomach. So you`re really, really sick. You don`t really know that you`ve had alcohol primarily because it doesn`t smell like alcohol, real alcohol. But it`s ethanol --
GRACE: Extremely, extremely painful death.
Everyone, quick break and tonight, CNN Heroes.
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I had an idea about how to not waste food. We`re having an ample harvest, and the very least we can do is give it to people who need it. They`ll be enjoying this tomorrow at the pantry.
Ampleharvest.org enables people who grow food in home gardens to easily find a local food pantry to donate their excess produce to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So nice, big one.
We didn`t know what doors to knock on. But now that Gary has got this wonderful program -- taking it to one of the pantries really is a good way to share with Ample Harvest.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So much of this is boxed, it`s canned, it`s not fresh.
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OPPENHEIMER: The country is loaded with gardeners who have more food than they can possibly use. Ampleharvest.org gives them the ability to easily get that food to somebody who genuinely really needs it. You`re not only doing good, you`re feeling great about it.
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GRACE: What a week in America`s courtrooms. Take a look at the stories and more important the people who touched our lives.
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GRACE: Is there a deal in the works? Is 5-year-old Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, set to enter a plea of guilty in exchange for testifying against his own ex, Haleigh`s stepmother, Misty Croslin?
RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH CUMMING`S FATHER: This is my heart, and somebody stole my heart from me.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ronald Cummings may testify against his ex- wife, Misty Croslin, in a drug case.
CUMMINGS: How could you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) let my daughter get stolen, bitch?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Under this deal Cummings will serve 15 years in prison.
CUMMINGS: This is a setback in my life. When I come out it will remind me, you know, what I should be doing. And not what I was doing.
GRACE: Is there a cover-up? We wondered at the time, but now reports emerging that reveal Tiger Woods had local cops on his private payroll the night of the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The "National Enquirer" reporting Woods had multiple off-duty police officers on his payroll at the time of the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We came out here just to see what was going on. I see him. He`s laying down.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators never got access to blood work.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We cannot speak to the existence of any blood evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There had to be something that caused him to lose control of his vehicle. And to strike those objects.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Law enforcement denied access to Woods for days.
GRACE: Vegas odds right on the money. Lindsay Lohan missing her court date.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: As expected, a judge in L.A. issued a bench warrant for the arrest of actress Lindsay Lohan.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lohan still not in America but subject to immediate arrest. As soon as she arrives.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fact is she intended to be here today. She had a ticket to be here. Her passport was stolen.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, L.A. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE: If she wanted to be here, it looks to the court that she could have been here.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lohan was supposed to be at the hearing, a probation hearing, this morning in Los Angeles but she was a no-show because her attorney said someone took her passport.
GRACE: A tourist gets an eyeful, certainly gets to see the sights and sounds on San Francisco bay when he spots a woman`s leg. A woman folded up in a suitcase washes ashore as he and his little niece stroll along the boardwalk. Take a listen.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Breaking news. A tourist walking along the San Francisco waterfront makes a gruesome discovery.
GRACE: A tourist discovers there along with his little niece a suitcase. In the suitcase a woman`s body stuffed inside. Who is the woman in the suitcase?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have identified the body that was found as an African-American woman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know that the police are treating this as a homicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now we`re going to be looking at it as a homicide or a questionable death.
GRACE: I guess their suggestion she folded herself up in a suitcase. It`s a homicide.
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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Tricia Jameson, 34, Omaha, Nebraska, killed Iraq. Awarded the Purple Heart, Gold Star and LPN. Furthered her medical career as a National Guard medic. Lost her lives 18 days later.
Loved her dogs. Volunteering to help the disable. Skiing, photography. Remembered as genuine and for a smile that lit up a room. Leaves behind her grieving mother, Patty, brother, Robert, fiance, Mike.
Tricia Jameson, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. Tonight, a special good night from the New York control room.
Good night, Brett, Dana, Squeaky, Evil.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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