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Nancy Grace
Lindsay Lohan Goes to Jail
Aired July 20, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: Breaking news. Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan is finally in jail. After showing up late to court, with lawyers playing musical chairs to represent Lindsay Lohan, she surrenders. As the handcuffs go on, she leaves the Beverly Hills courthouse bound for just one place, jail. But Lohan gets a private escort, driven across town, then booked into the Century Regional Detention Facility 11 minutes after 10:00 this morning, but not before the judge brings down the hammer, laying out strict guidelines, ordering that Lohan better stay in there. She can`t walk out of jail on a work furlough, a work release or house arrest, and within 24 hours after serving her sentence, Lohan must go to probation officials and then on to rehab.
As we go to air tonight, we learn at this point -- listen to this -- Lohan is going to spend only 13 to 15 days in jail out of her 90-day sentence. But tonight, reality is finally setting in for Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan behind bars.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan is behind bars finally.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was almost emotional.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was ushered through a little crush of photographers.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I know they`re going to (INAUDIBLE) paparazzi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She through security, went inside, and basically faced the judge.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, LOS ANGELES COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT: I`m going to order her be remanded at this time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the judge had some stern, stern words for this actress.
REVEL: The court is going to order that there be no house arrest, no electronic monitoring, no work release and no work furlough.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just calmly stood up facing the judge...
LOHAN: What am I supposed to do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... her hands behind her back. A male sheriff`s deputy walked up behind her, put the handcuffs on her...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the deputies gave her a little shove, but she wasn`t given any special treatment.
LOHAN: I wasn`t expecting any special treatment.
STEVE WHITMORE, SPOKESMAN, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPT.: Ms. Lohan was treated just like any other...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s scheduled to begin serving a 90-day jail sentence today.
SHAWN CHAPMAN HOLLEY, LOHAN`S ATTORNEY: Lindsay is complying with the Judge Revel`s orders. She`s completed the alcohol program. She`s accepted responsibility.
LOHAN: You only live once, might as well do something that`s going to leave a good impression on people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" on the truTV network, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Breaking news. Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan is finally in jail, behind bars.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan, the troubled 24-year-old actress, has arrived to the L.A. County jail...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Lindsay Lohan was booked into our facility to begin her sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) surrender.
LOHAN: I don`t think of it like that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is her car that brought her from the courthouse in Beverly Hills, past downtown to this jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Party`s over for the party girl and actress.
LOHAN: What am I supposed to do? What, not go and hang out with my friends?
REVEL: (INAUDIBLE) remanded (INAUDIBLE) jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`ll be quartered in an 12-by-8-foot cell.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s going to be (INAUDIBLE) She`s stepped up. She`s accepted responsibility.
LOHAN: I`m -- I`m that girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) remarkable difference than last time, a couple of weeks ago, when Lindsay was in court, when she started sobbing...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She will have a booking photo. They will fingerprint her. She will have a full body search.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eeks!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It seems Lohan accepted her fate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She jokingly tweeted, The only bookings I`m familiar with are Disney films. Never thought I`d be booking into jail.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And let us go straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer, standing by at the jail in Lynnwood, California, tonight. Marlaina, what is the latest?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: The very latest, Jean, is that Lindsay Lohan finally surrendered. She showed up in court today a little after 8:30. She was expected there at 8:30 on the dot. Fans screaming, a media circus waiting for her. She gets on the elevator. She`s laughing. She`s giggling. And then she got very serious when she got in court. It was at that point the judge came down and said she`s going to jail. She`s going do her sentence. She is not going to be released on a work release program. She can`t be on house arrest. And at that point, the cameras went down, she was handcuffed and taken off.
GRACE: To Jon Baird, reporter, KNX Newsradio. You were in court today in Beverly Hills. Set the stage for us. What did you see, what did you feel in that courtroom?
JON BAIRD, KNX NEWSRADIO: Well, the first thing that surprised me was the fact that she showed up late. The judge has been mad because she showed up late in the past. She missed DUI classes. She shows up eight minutes later, but the hearing only took six minutes. I timed it.
And then at some point, the judge said, Turn off all the cameras, all the videocameras. She said, No still cameras, no still pictures whatsoever. She warned the audience, Do not take any pictures. It would be contempt of court. And that`s when Lindsay stood up and the bailiff walked behind her, put the cuffs on her. And then a female deputy led her out the side door, and that was it. It was all over in about six minutes.
GRACE: Now, once she got into the courtroom, did she walk straight up to the defendant`s table and sit down, or did she sit in the gallery with her mother and sister?
BAIRD: If I recall, she walked straight up to sit down at the defendant`s table. She took off her coat, handed it to someone. She did not go in wearing the coat. And that was it. She sat right down.
GRACE: What did she have on? You saw it in person. Explain it to us.
BAIRD: She had a leather coat and slacks and a blouse. But she was dressed very casually. And of course, they don`t want to take much into the jail with them. And we were told that she could even come in in jeans and a T-shirt, which is pretty common for people who are going into jail for a while. They don`t take anything of value into the jail with them.
GRACE: Was it part of a blouse, though, that the back was missing, her back was showing?
BAIRD: I did -- if I recall, I did see her back showing. And I believe the coat was a leather coat, but she handed it to someone and didn`t take that in with her.
GRACE: All right. To Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host, journalist out of Los Angeles. She left Pickford Lofts at 8:24 AM. That gives her, with my calculations, six minutes to get to court. Why did she leave so late?
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST, JOURNALIST: I mean, here`s somebody who`s been late time and time again. And there`s no way that you can move -- you can go anywhere in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills in six minutes. The fact that it was 8:30 and there was no sign of Lindsay this morning just goes to show that still, she is not taking this seriously. And I don`t think she actually got serious about this until the judge starting saying -- and you know, wrapping things up in court. That`s when the haze kind of got lifted, and you could see for a split second she got the reality that she was, in fact, going to the slammer.
GRACE: Right. To Jon Baird, KNX radio. Was everybody just wondering who her attorney was going to be? Because the reports were out there. We actually were able to confirm that Robert Shapiro had a late afternoon meeting with the judge yesterday. But was everybody not knowing until Shawn Holley stood up by her side?
BAIRD: I think there was a big question mark about that. And the big talk this morning was, Was this a ploy? Was this a way for her to end up somehow going into rehab instead of jail? And then we found out -- you know, according to her attorney later on, she said that he was hired or he was brought on as a consultant, and then she decided -- she decided -- that she didn`t want to bring him onto the team and didn`t hire him.
GRACE: All right. Let`s go to the lawyers, Gloria Allred, victims` advocate, rights advocate out of Los Angeles, Doug Burns, defense attorney out of New York, and Ray Giudice, also defense attorney, out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
Gloria Allred, with all of your infinite wisdom -- and you have so much -- explain this to us because Robert Shapiro`s representative issued a statement on Friday saying that he would be representing Lindsay Lohan. We also know Shawn Chapman Holley released a statement saying she would not be representing her any longer. What happened?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, in high-profile cases, Jean, the only thing you can really count on is change and uncertainty...
(LAUGHTER)
ALLRED: ... because the landscape, the legal landscape is always changing because the emotional landscape is always changing. So it`s really hard to say what happened here. I`m not sure that we`ll ever know unless Lindsay chooses to tell us, and she may never choose to tell us, or maybe she`s not even sure what happened.
I don`t know that Robert Shapiro ever filed an appearance in this case. It may be that Shawn Holley still was listed as attorney of record in the court proceedings, and unless he was substituted in officially as attorney of record, then he wasn`t going to be her attorney.
GRACE: I think you are right. Now, we were actually able to see a motion for substitution of attorney that she actually signed, making Robert Shapiro her attorney, but it was never filed. And so it`s an interesting issue.
Doug Burns, with all of your infinite wisdom in the defense bar...
DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Thank you! Yes.
GRACE: ... and you have a lot of it, too -- what happened here? Because Robert Shapiro was on board. She went to Pickford Lofts. That is the rehab facility, quote, unquote, that he founded. But now he`s not her attorney.
BURNS: Yes, but as Gloria said, and she`s right -- I mean, the relationship and whether or not he`s hired, whether there`s a retainer letter, what the terms are, what services he`s offered to do -- that`s between the attorney and the client. And more importantly, you look to see whether a notice of appearance is filed in court. So we can`t sit here with tea leaves or crystal balls and figure that out.
GRACE: But he also said he was going to make some stiff demands of her, and I think that`s an interesting statement. And he qualified that, that that was why he was representing her.
Let`s go to the callers tonight. First of all, Jennifer in the state of Washington. Hi, Jennifer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. My question is -- I heard the judge say that Lindsay was not to be let out on work furlough or house arrest. And I was curious why they -- if she`s going to get out early, why they wouldn`t (INAUDIBLE) house, have her do the entire 90 days, when she`s -- instead, she`s just going to get out early from jail in, you know, 13 to 15 days and that`s going to be it, and not do even a third of what her sentence was.
GRACE: Jennifer, it`s a good question. And the judge was very, very calculated and very explicit when she said that. To Ray Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta. The judge today very, very explicitly said she could not be released for work furlough, work release, house arrest. Why did she put this on the record today?
RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that this judge knows one thing that all we lawyers know. The most important and most impactful 24 hours in jail is the first 24 hours. When that marshal or sheriff in that courtroom clicked those handcuffs on Lindsay behind her back and took her into the back holding cell, reality hit in. And whether it`s another 15 or 14 days, the point has been made, and it will be made much more impactfully than 90 days of sitting in her living room, watching TV on house arrest.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan hauled off to jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s been sentenced to 90 days in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... behind bars...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s scared, as anyone would be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... her new home for the next 90 days...
REVEL: ... driving under the influence...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... a 90-day jail sentence...
LOHAN: I wouldn`t be where I am without going through those ups and downs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan, the troubled 24-year-old actress...
LOHAN: Why wouldn`t I want to be here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... went inside and basically faced the judge...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defendant is here to surrender.
LOHAN: Hi. I`m Lindsay Lohan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of commotion at the courthouse in Beverly Hills this morning as Lindsay Lohan showed up for her appointment with handcuffs and a 90-day stay in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was almost emotionless.
HOLLEY: She`s stepped up. She`s accepted responsibility.
LOHAN: Oh, I don`t want to jinx myself. Let`s not talk about that.
(LAUGHTER)
REVEL: We`re just going to order that there be no house arrest, no electronic monitoring, no work release and no work furlough. Defendant`s now remanded to custody to serve a 90-day jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The cameras, you can see there, had to go to color bars because that was an order from the judge, perhaps doing the actress a little bit of a favor there to save her the embarrassment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just calmly stood up, facing the judge, put her hands behind her back...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The party`s over for the party girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... handcuffed and taken out of a California courtroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She does her time like everybody else.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s being fingerprinted. She`s being photographed, another mugshot...
LOHAN: It`s only -- it`s only going to be positive for me now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace tonight. Straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, who is live in Lynnwood, California, at the jail tonight. Marlaina, when Lindsay Lohan arrived in her car escort, I should say, to the jail, she was in custody at that point. What happened to her when she walked inside?
SCHIAVO: Well, Jean, she had to go inside and she had to go through this triage that all the other inmates go through, where they do a psych evaluation and a medical evaluation. And then they start the process of booking her in. They take a her photo, her fingerprints. They had to do a full body search, Jean. And then they hand her her uniform and show her to her cell.
GRACE: Right. And that booking photo came out late this afternoon. That`s public record, so everybody gets to see it, and also the information that they gather from her, which is on there. And all women, we like to look at the weight and height. She`s 5-6, 118 pounds, is what that says.
To Brad Lamm, certified interventionist with us tonight, author of "How to Change Someone You Love." What is it like for someone when they first go to jail like this? This is her second time, but she was only there for 84 minutes before. What sit like for someone to lose their freedom when they are an addict?
BRAD LAMM, INTERVENTIONIST: Well, you hit the nail on the head. It`s exactly that. It`s all-encompassing loss of freedom. It`s being handcuffed, it`s being taken in against your will. It`s -- it`s -- I think one of the most compelling pieces of this, of the whole process, is the invasive body search. Now, you know exactly what that means. The reason that a person is checked when they go into jail is to make sure that they`re not taking any drugs or any other contraband in with them. So they have a person that`s the same sex that`s doing a full body search.
And so this is not something that you run into in your everyday life, certainly not if you`re a celebrity, not if you have a nice life. And so I think the judge`s message is that, finally, as crummy and crappy as this is, these are consequences.
GRACE: It`s a big change very fast.
LAMM: Absolutely.
GRACE: Right. Out to Marcy in New York. Hi, Marcy. Good evening.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Jean, for taking my...
GRACE: You`re welcome. What part of New York are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m from South Salem, Westchester.
GRACE: All right. Good to have you. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, first I`d just like to say, you know, she`s going in and she`s on these medications, and you can`t just take them -- someone off these medications. You know, they have to be weaned off. So for her -- if she does 13 days or 20 days, they`re going to have to wean her off the Trazadone and Dilaudid, which, you know, I don`t even know why a dentist would prescribe that. I`ve worked in the medical field. You know, I just don`t get that.
But what she needs is, she needs, like, one year in rehab. You know, 28 days is not going to help her. And I just...
GRACE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... understand, you know -- you know, like, she`s going to come out maybe in 13 days, maybe three weeks, and then they`re going to put her into a rehab facility maybe for 21 -- three weeks to four weeks.
GRACE: And you know there`s another aspect to all of this, Marcy. To Dr. Robert Kaufman (ph), internal medicine specialist. She is supposedly a chain smoker. So what happens when you`re a chain smoker and you suddenly get into this restricted environment?
DR. ROBERT KAUFMAN, INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, number one, you`ll start having agitation, changes in mood. It`s a severe problem, and I`m sure it`s a common problem in the jail because I`m sure there`s a high percentage of people that smoke. The only drugs and other thing (ph) that she`d have to worry about is the Dilaudid, and I just can`t understand any reason that a 24-year-old would be on Dilaudid.
GRACE: All right. But she is, and that is according to the court`s order minute (ph) report. It lists those medications. So that is for sure. To Brad Lamm. I want to ask you, the sheriff`s spokesperson, Steve Whitmore, said late this afternoon that she may serve 13 to 15 days in jail. Your thoughts on that.
LAMM: Well, I think the big leap of faith for all of us that are watching in our armchairs is that this may have some impact. And for folks that have somebody that they love that`s in trouble, they can certainly relate to trying to jump in and bail them out, whether it`s trying to get them out of a scrape or some kind of scramble. And so this is a time where she`s actually having to face the music. I hope she takes this opportunity to really turn her life around.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The judge`s order was very firm, 90 days.
LOHAN: I really can`t (INAUDIBLE)
REVEL: Defendant`s now remanded to custody to serve the 90-day jail sentence.
LOHAN: There`s only so much people can say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay was put in handcuffs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She does her time like everybody else.
LOHAN: I don`t have anything else to say (INAUDIBLE) to say (INAUDIBLE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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REVEL: Defendant`s now remanded to custody to serve the 90-day jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Lindsay Lohan being remanded...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the media frenzy...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything is going smoothly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of commotion at the courthouse in Beverly Hills this morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s going into custody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Lindsay Lohan was booked.
LOHAN: I`m sorry!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s doing it.
LOHAN: And it`s my career!
We`ll see what happens. You know, you only live once.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what about the people who say sending to Lindsay jail is like a broken refrigerator, uncool?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace tonight. A typical day at the Century Regional Detention Facility for Lindsay Lohan -- 6:00 AM, the guards flick on the lights, Good morning, ladies, they say. And then 6:30 AM, breakfast. And that usually is cereal, peanut butter, bread, fruit, milk and juice. And then it`s to 11:30 and it`s lunchtime.
Out to Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host and journalist in Los Angeles. What was it like at the courthouse today in Beverly Hills? Because what we saw on television, it was like a red carpet affair. And what`s this gold glitter that someone actually was sprinkling on Lindsay Lohan as she walked into the courthouse?
DIAZ: Yes. And as you know, I was live here on Headline News and not at the courthouse when this was going on, but I -- you know, seeing the video, I`ve been at these courthouse situations so many times and it is a zoo. It is an absolute -- I`ve seen this a thousand times down at Beverly Hills courthouse and other courthouses where celebrities are coming in.
You know, and you just had that guy right there make the refrigerator line. You know, the quacks come out. And you have the glitter being thrown as she`s walking in. And that`s the thing. These situations -- I was there for Anna Nicole Smith. I was there for Paris Hilton. These situations get more and more crazy, and in fact, a little more and more dangerous as you go on with so many people being out there. But you saw the glitter being thrown at Lindsay when she goes in, and it could represent the last time she`s going to be partying for weeks to come.
GRACE: Oh, well, that`s an interesting point. To Paul Penzone, vice president of prevention programs, Childhelp.org, former sergeant with the Phoenix Police Department. What about that? Because I agree with Carlos. There is a security concern. I mean, it`s glitter today, it`s something else tomorrow. Shouldn`t they be more careful?
PAUL PENZONE, CHILDHELP.ORG: It`s funny because Carlos and I seem to agree on a lot of things. I think you set the tone in these circumstances. Law enforcement needs to recognize that if you don`t do things to reduce the exposure and to minimize this kind of festival atmosphere, then you`re going to contribute to it and something bad will eventually happen.
There are plenty of ways to bring her in and out of that facility, low profile without allowing for all those people that want to be part of the event to actually aggravate it or even put her in danger.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... all the drama this morning...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has been extremely cooperative.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... head off to the Lynnwood jail to begin serving her sentence.
REVEL: That`s 90 days in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`ll be in isolation, a 12-foot by 8-foot cell.
LOHAN: I`m afraid to think about it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The party --
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m just here to have fun.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- is over for the party girl.
LOHAN: I`m afraid to think about it.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But they cart her off to jail.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The actress arrived almost 10 minutes late but she finally made it into court.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We noticed somebody throw confetti at her.
LOHAN: Thank you, I guess.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The confetti, I don`t know where that came from.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The judge laid out that order remanding her into custody.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay was put in handcuffs.
LOHAN: This is insane.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She showed no emotion. The actress did not cry. She did not say anything.
LOHAN: She has a lot of anger pent up inside her.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: That is the vehicle that Lindsay Lohan is in as she`s being transported to the jail.
LOHAN: I know they`re going to take my picture.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Following Lindsay Lohan as she heads to Lynwood jail.
LOHAN: I had so much fun when they chased me.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan beginning to serve out that 90- day jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She went to jail?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, she did.
LOHAN: We`ll see what happens.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" on the truTV`s network, in for Nancy Grace tonight.
Want to go straight out to Jon Baird, reporter, KNX Newsradio, out of Los Angeles. You were in the courtroom. And here`s what I want to know. You`re sitting in the courtroom.
Was it a packed courtroom and all of a sudden she walks in? Did she ever look back into the gallery to see who was there? Who did she make eye contact with?
JON BAIRD, REPORTER, KNX NEWSRADIO, IN COURT TODAY: No one that I know of. Basically when she walked in, remember, she`s late, the judge is sitting on the bench. The courtroom -- this was strange to me -- wasn`t completely packed. There were some empty seats. And it`s a small courtroom.
She walked in like she owned the place. She walked right up to that bench, she took off her coat and sat down. I didn`t see her make eye contact with anybody.
(LAUGHTER)
CASAREZ: Made herself at home. Yes.
BAIRD: Pretty much.
CASAREZ: Very, very interesting.
BAIRD: Yes, she did.
CASAREZ: To Elesa in California. Good evening, Elesa. What part of California are you from?
ELESA, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi. I`m from Southern California.
CASAREZ: Oh boy, right there, huh? What a day have you had?
ELESA: Yes. Lots of coverage. And I have a comment and then a question, real quick. The judge has stated that she wasn`t going to give Lindsay any special treatment due to her stardom, being a star.
Well, I find that highly hypocritical when she -- it was time for her to be handcuffed the judge then tells everyone to turn off the cameras and everything. You know, a regular person off the street, they don`t get that privilege.
What`s your opinion on that?
CASAREZ: That`s a very good question. To Gloria Allred, in Los Angeles, attorney, victim`s rights advocate. I`ve seen it before. I`ve seen it many times actually. Even with defendants that are not high profile. The judge will make us turn the cameras off to not see them in the handcuffs or the shackles.
What are your thoughts about today the judge asking for that?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ATTORNEY, CHILD ADVOCATE: Well, camera coverage in the courtroom is not a right. It is a privilege. And it`s basically at the discretion of the court. And apparently the court decided that it was not going to allow that coverage basically not to humiliate probably Lindsay Lohan.
I do take issue with the fact that she did not have to be transported in a jail van the way other inmates are. I don`t know why she gets the special gold star treatment to be -- you know, only taken in a car by one officer.
And I do resent the fact that she gets a special cell at the L.A. County jail. Personally I think celebrities should have to be in there with other inmates and shouldn`t have more rights or privileges in a jail than anyone else.
CASAREZ: You bring up an interesting point. To Marlaina Schiavo standing by live at the jail in Lynwood, California.
Tell us her conditions. What she can have, what she can`t have, what she can do, what she can`t do.
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, Jean, she`s going be in a cell that`s 12 x 8. It has about a six-inch window. She`s going to be sleeping on a mattress that`s about four inches thick. She`ll have a toilet. She`ll have one sink and a little table for writing.
Now she can only have about three magazines at a time. People cannot send her a lot of things either. She can get care packages but they can include a laundry list of things like food, cosmetics. She can`t get pencils, papers or anything like that.
She can have some recreation time. She`ll have an hour every day. But she will mostly spend all of her time in a cell. They estimate about 22 hours a day.
CASAREZ: And she has to go to the pay phone to make phone calls. All right. But to Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist, that`s how it`s supposed to be, all right? Let me tell you how it was for Paris Hilton.
According to the "Los Angeles Times" she didn`t have to go to the pay phone like other inmates do. They gave her a cordless phone call to be able to make her phone calls. Number two, her mail was hand-delivered to her daily. Number three, the high jail brass went to go see her every day to make sure she was doing well.
And number four, she didn`t get one of the old dirty orange jailhouse uniforms to wear. She got a brand spanking new one to wear.
Now will that do someone good if that happens to Lohan here in jail?
DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Absolutely not. The best thing for Lindsay Lohan is if she is absolutely kept strictly to the regular routines of the jail, if she`s not given any privileges.
And in fact I hope when she goes into rehab, that she will not have access to Twitter, or a BlackBerry or the Internet or telephone access or the outer world very much at all. It needs to be really limited so she comes to terms with herself.
And in that sense, jail may be the best thing for her --
CASAREZ: Which is an interesting point. You said when she goes into rehab.
AUSTIN: Yes.
CASAREZ: And, Doug Burns, I`m going to challenge you. I`m going to say if she goes into rehab. And I`ll tell you why.
DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Go ahead.
CASAREZ: When she`s released from jail.
BURNS: Right.
CASAREZ: She`s got 24 hours to report to the probation department as per the judge, but she`s not in custody anymore. And I heard the judge specifically say, I`d like to set a status hearing if she goes into rehab. She won`t be able to be here, but if she does not.
There`s a chance, Doug Burns, when she`s out of jail that she won`t go to rehab.
BURNS: That is a very interesting observation, I mean, but again, given today`s events and the zero, you know, sort of tolerance for her continuing foul-ups, I guess I`m hearing you say, Jean, that the judge said if one way or if the other way, but it would seemed to be that she will go in.
So you`re putting me on the spot. And my answer is she will go into rehab.
CASAREZ: One would think so, but to Ray Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta, obviously, she would violate probation. I mean, you think it`s bad now. Wait if she didn`t go to rehab.
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree.
CASAREZ: But the wording of the judge was very interesting.
GIUDICE: I will say, Jean, most of the times my clients are transferred from custody or court to rehab, they go directly from the courtroom escorted by either a marshal or somebody from rehab as a condition on their probation.
One of the worst things to do is let someone go home for 24 hours to both celebrate being released from jail and to commiserate about beginning their 90 days in rehab. I will tell you I agree with Doug, she`s going to go, but she may not be clean and sober when she does go. And that`s the thing that most judges concern themselves with.
CASAREZ: And, Ray, don`t you think before the hearing today the judge had in her order two days. She had two days of freedom before she went to the probation office. She changed that today to 24 hours.
Don`t you think that was to protect her? I`m talking about Lindsay Lohan.
GIUDICE: I think it`s to protect her -- it`s to protect her from herself and her enablers.
CASAREZ: Yes.
GIUDICE: And they`re out there and they can`t wait to have a party with her when she`s released.
CASAREZ: I think you are --
GIUDICE: It`s been a consistent pattern.
CASAREZ: Right. To Margaret in South Carolina. Hi, Margaret. Good evening.
MARGARET, CALLER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA: How are you?
CASAREZ: I`m fine. What part of South Carolina are you from?
MARGARET: I`m at Raquel which is right on the border of North Carolina.
CASAREZ: That`s beautiful.
MARGARET: Charlotte area.
CASAREZ: Wow. Beautiful. What`s your question?
MARGARET: I`m very concerned about Lindsay. Everyone seems so angry about her. I understand some of that, but my big concern is she needs a real psychiatrist to interview her and spend sometime to find out about her depression. And this phobia of not being able to sleep alone and what`s going on with that.
I am talking from my heart because that`s what happened to me. And I had migraine headaches and doctors got me hooked on Vicodin, and I had to go to a place because I was going to die, and they have to give you other medications to wean you off. And the doctors say it can take six months to a year.
CASAREZ: Margaret, you`re so right in all of that, and I think what you`re trying to say -- and we care about Lindsay Lohan. We truly do. We want the best for her because to me Lindsay Lohan is symbolic of how many other people in this country and they need to have their lives turned around. They need to want it and the court and legal system has to help them.
But to our Brad Lamm, certified interventionist joining us tonight, such an expert on this from so many areas. There is a court-appointed psychologist and psychiatrist -- we`ve looked up them both -- and they will be with her many hours during her jail stay to assess her and figure out what rehab she should go to.
BRAD LAMM, CERTIFIED INTERVENTIONIST, AUTHOR OF "HOW TO CHANGE SOMEONE YOU LOVE": Look, and the conundrum for everybody that`s watching this from the outside is -- you know, is this going to work for her? Will jail shake her up?
And certainly my hope is that it will be just the consequence that will help her with -- maybe some experts, help her break through and make some changes that will stick.
CASAREZ: You`re so right.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan is behind bars.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety-day sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan showed up for her appointment with handcuffs and a 90-day stay in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She showed up late for court.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: About seven minutes late.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`s about to walk in. Someone just threw confetti.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There was no turning back.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, SUPERIOR COURT, BEVERLY HILLS: No house arrest.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety-day jail stretch.
REVEL: No electronic monitoring.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The judge had some stern, stern words for this actress.
REVEL: No work release and no work furlough.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She was almost emotionless.
REVEL: Surrender at this time. She`ll be remanded to serve her sentence.
LOHAN: I don`t see what reason I would go to prison.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay kept separate from the general prison population.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Quartered in a 12 x 8 foot cell.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sent off to Lynwood.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace tonight.
To Leslie Austin -- Dr. Leslie Austin, this jail experience is going to have a lot of psychological evaluation. A lot. Because they are going to have to make a report to give to the judge as to where they believe she should go for inpatient rehabilitation.
What is the psych exam part of all of this is going to be all about?
AUSTIN: Well, first they`re going to get a full diagnosis of all the medication she`s on. And they`re going to go through the DSM tree of diagnosis for which maybe she has personality disorder, maybe she has different issues, and they`ll come up with a diagnosis which gives certain traits and certain treatment.
I think the real addiction here is out-of-control fame and everything that`s gone with it. And she does not have any real sense of her self as a grounded human being. She hasn`t cured cancer. She`s a wonderful actress. She has no idea who she is in the world.
And counseling, psychiatric help will help her find herself, separate from the fame, separate from all the adulation. And maybe she can deal with the drugs that way.
CASAREZ: How long does it take to get this diagnosis that you`re talking about? Thirteen to 15 days? Is that long enough?
AUSTIN: No, no. You can get a diagnosis much quicker than that. Probably in two or three very intensive sessions with a very practiced psychiatrist, and I`m sure they have the best psychiatrist there for analysis.
CASAREZ: Don`t you want to monitor somebody a little bit to watch progression, to see from day one to day 10 to day 20 what`s happening?
AUSTIN: You can monitor them, but you can get a pretty good baseline for the outline for what you think their basic diagnosis is. And then you may shave suspicions, they could be this, they could be that. So it`s called a rule out. It`s an R/O. So you might say they are this diagnosis, we treat for that, we watch for this.
But we`re also going to check and see is it -- could it be this and could it be that, and you refine it over time. But you can get a pretty good idea what`s going on with someone -- at least initially in several very good intensive interviews if you`re a professional psychiatrist.
CASAREZ: OK. To Theresa in Tennessee. Hi, Theresa.
THERESA, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Hi, Jean. Thank you for taking my call.
CASAREZ: You`re welcome.
THERESA: My concern is regarding the medications that they`re going to wean her off of. And my question is will they do that immediately? And also will they drug test her to see if there are any other medications in her system that the media has not reported?
CASAREZ: You know, Theresa, you`re not going to believe this but that was the exact question that I was going to ask our medical doctor, and I said to myself, no, I`m going to ask Theresa question first. And then I`ll ask him that question later.
But that was it. Dr. Robert Kaufmann, M.D., what`s happening with the medications? I specifically want to know what is happening tonight. Are they giving her the same medications at the same levels or do they even know the levels that she took them? Is she being honest with them, do you think?
DR. ROBERT KAUFMANN, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, first they will drug screen her to see where she`s at. Secondly they will -- some of the drugs you can stop suddenly. The Adderall you can stop suddenly. I`m sure she`s not going to have problem with attention in the jail.
The Dilaudid is the most worrisome. And the Zoloft, I`m sure, they will continue and then make a decision once her psychiatric evaluation. She`s probably been self-medicating herself the whole time. So once they get her off some of the medications, then they can really find out what her true psychiatric diagnosis is.
CASAREZ: Right. To Jan in Washington. Hi, Jan. Good evening.
JAN, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Hi.
CASAREZ: Hi.
JAN: My question is if Lindsay gets out of jail in 15 days, will the balance of her jail time be tacked onto her rehab time?
CASAREZ: Hmm. Interesting question. Gloria Allred, what do you think of that?
ALLRED: No, not to my knowledge. They`re just going to get out -- she`s going to get out because of overcrowding, and that will be it.
CASAREZ: To Doug Burns, 13 to 15 days, your thoughts on that.
BURNS: Well, you can`t criticize it, Jean, legally, unless you can show that it differs from the average person.
CASAREZ: Well, it`s not 25 percent.
BURNS: Right, it does seem slightly low. But also that apparently was a projected release date on some paperwork from today which is not necessarily dispositive, which leads me to just one last quick point.
For every person who says somebody is being treated too leniently because they`re a celebrity you also get the reverse argument of being treated too harshly. So I have no opinion one way or the other unless it differs from the norm.
CASAREZ: You know, let`s just go back in time for a second. These are two DUIs, among other things, that she pleaded guilty to. Driving under the influence. It was cocaine. Yes, they were misdemeanors. The original charges were felonies. So she did luck out there.
But she hit a tree from the first DUI. It culminated from her in a car, a deadly weapon, hitting a tree, and major collision damage to that vehicle. By the grace of goodness she didn`t hit a person.
To Casey in Arizona, hi, Casey.
CASEY, CALLER FROM ARIZONA: Hi.
CASAREZ: What part of Arizona? I love Arizona.
CASEY: Queen Creek. (INAUDIBLE)
CASAREZ: All right. What`s your question?
CASEY: Well, I have a question. I have a question and a comment actually. My first question is, is she really going to get better knowing she`s going to get out early?
CASAREZ: Good question.
Leslie Austin -- Dr. Leslie Austin. Is she going to get better by getting out so quickly? Isn`t it something else that`s just so easy?
AUSTIN: Jail is not about rehab. They`re two different processes. Jail, I think, in this case is to scare her straight and to get her out of her normal routine. They`ll monitor her drugs. Rehab is an entirely different situation and that takes a long time of consistent treatment.
CASAREZ: To Brad Lamm, certified interventionist. But jail is punishment. Is this enough punishment for two DUIs when you could have killed someone? I mean because she lucked out and hit a tree instead of a person?
LAMM: You know, the answer to that question, in my opinion, is no. But I`ll tell you, I just talked with somebody that was on the phone after having seen the show last night. And this guy`s wife had two DUIs. He said very similar to Lindsay Lohan.
And my instinct was immediately to go in and try to get her off and keep her safe. So I understand even the family`s desire to get the consequences put away.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lohan`s final moments of freedom.
LOHAN: I want to be a good role model.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan in jail.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Made their way in behind the gates.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- of Lynwood, California jail.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The moment of truth.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`ll serve a sentence of 90 days.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Yesterday she twittered, the only bookings that I`m familiar with are Disney films.
LOHAN: It`s kind of a loss of innocence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Never thought I`d be booking into jail. Eeks.
LOHAN: And it`s hard to go backwards from that.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan`s newest role is that of a jail bird.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Lynwood jail.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She will be in jail.
LOHAN: It`s getting so repetitive.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This case has been such a spectacle from the beginning.
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CASAREZ: To Carlos Diaz out in Los Angeles. You know one of the biggest lifestyle changes I think for her will be the alleged postings that she puts on Twitter all the time. In fact, last night there were some twitters, tweeting? What was it, Carlos?
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST & JOURNALIST, COVERING STORY: Yes. She said the only bookings I know about are booking gigs with Disney. I`m sorry. She hasn`t done a Disney film in I don`t know how long. In fact the film that comes out this September is called "Machete."
The new trailer is out. It`s not a Disney film. I can say that much right now. And then she`s got one where she plays Linda Lovelace, the biopic where it`s about the porn star, Linda Lovelace. It`s called "Inferno."
So I find it very interesting. And you see it right there where she`s talking about booking Disney films when she`s going completely adult. In fact, in "Inferno," she`s going to do full frontal nudity for a large portion of the film.
CASAREZ: Now this one that you were talking about that`s already been shot, it`s coming up this fall. When is this coming out?
DIAZ: It comes out -- actually, ironically, right around the time she was supposed to be released until the new information came down today that it`s going to be 13 days, but now that comes out September 3rd. So it comes out just around a month after she gets out of jail.
She has a very small part in the film. She plays a nun who wields a gun on the movie poster, but she`s not even in the trailer. That`s how small her part is.
CASAREZ: But, Carlos, she`s going to be in rehab during that time. She`s not going to be able to go to that premiere.
Thank you, everybody.
Tonight, let us stop to remember Army Staff Sergeant Richard Tieman, 28 years old, from Waynesboro, Pennsylvania. He was on his third duty of tour. He also served in Afghanistan. He loved sports and fishing trips with his family to Minnesota.
He loved football. You know his favorite team? It was the Philadelphia Eagles. He was a fitness buff. He reached his goal of bench pressing 400 pounds.
He was buried at Arlington National Cemetery. He leaves behind his parents, Rick and Diane, his brother Tyler, his widow Paulina, and also serving in the Army was Paulina.
Richard Tieman, he is an American hero.
Thank you so much to all of our guests, for you being at home, being with us tonight. Please remember Nancy Grace`s brand new book, "Death on the D-List." It`s going to be out on August 10th. And to preorder your copy you can go straight to CNN.com/Nancygrace.
We`ll see you all tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, everyone.
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