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Missing 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain found Under Wooden Porch

Aired June 29, 2012 - 20:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Michigan. A 4-year-old goes missing after Mommy heads to work at her job as a waitress. Bombshell tonight. The toddler boy reportedly last seen playing in his own back yard when he vanishes seemingly without a trace.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search continues for Carnel Chamberlain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just need to find this little boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Helicopters, cadaver dogs, the FBI and hundreds of volunteers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My whole community`s trying to help me, and I just hope we find him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searching the woods around the home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shoulder-to-shoulder search right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All she can do is wait and pray.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, everybody`s praying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pray to God that he will come back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pray for the boy`s safe return.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pray for his safety.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just need to find this little boy. Community`s helping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People need to get out and help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s be, like, You`re my mom and I`m your son!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family waits and wonders.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many looking for the 4-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just hope we find him. Somehow -- I just -- somehow we find him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is breaking news in the search for missing 4- year-old Carnel Chamberlain. His body has reportedly just been found buried under a wooden porch at the family home, the body also reportedly found burned. Questions swirling. What led authorities back to the porch? Who killed an innocent 4-year-old boy with so much life to live? Tonight, friends and family want answers.


GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight, live, Michigan. A 4-year-old child goes missing when Mommy goes to work at her job as a waitress, the little boy, a toddler, reportedly last seen playing in his own back yard. There is an aboveground pool back there. He seemingly vanishes without a trace.

Now, how can that be? You look in the back yard. Your child is there. He`s a toddler. He can`t go far. You look again, and he`s gone. But Mommy doesn`t find out the baby is missing until she gets home from her job as a waitress.

Straight out to Andrew Keller joining us from WNEM TV. Andrew, what happened?

ANDREW KELLER, WNEM TV (via telephone): Nancy, you sound as puzzled as I am. Yes, you (INAUDIBLE) This mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, went to work as her job as a host. And she was coming home. She called her boyfriend to check on her kid. Her boyfriend says, He`s not here. The mother ends up calling the police, and today...

GRACE: Whoa! Wait! Whoa, whoa, whoa! Back it up, Keller. Boyfriend? Who`s the boyfriend?

KELLER: His name is Anthony Bennett. And he is...

GRACE: Anthony Bennett. So she leaves the baby with the boyfriend. OK. Andrew Keller joining me from WNEM TV-5. Andrew, is he a live-in boyfriend?

KELLER: He`s a live-in boyfriend. He was supposed to watch Carnel as Carnel`s mother was at work. Carnel was...

GRACE: OK -- hold on, Andrew. Let me just -- let me just take this very slowly. So Mommy goes to work. She`s apparently making the living. She`s got a live-in. Not judging. Don`t care who lives with who. So Andrew Keller, let me get this straight. Mommy leaves the boy, the 4-year-old, in the care of the boyfriend, right?

KELLER: That is correct.

GRACE: Andrew, is the boy ever in the pool or playing around the pool?

KELLER: (INAUDIBLE) the mother told -- Jaimee Chamberlain has told me that when she talked to her live-in boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, Anthony told her that he was inside the house, cleaning the house, and the little boy was in the back yard where there is a pool.

GRACE: OK. Out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent joining us from "In Session." Jean, what more can you tell me? Hold on. Everybody, in just a few minutes, joining us is going to be Jaimee Chamberlain. She is the working mom who goes to work to make the living for the family, comes home, her little boy is gone.

Can you imagine that? When I think about this story, I just want to rip this mike off and run home and make sure my children are all right, right, because you leave your children with people that you think you can trust so you can work. We all have to work. Most mothers in America have to work. My mom had to work.

So she`s off making a living. The child is fine. And it ain`t easy waiting tables. I can tell you that much, having done it before.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": This mother of Carnel that you`re going to talk to in a minute, boy, did she get into action. She gets home, Nancy, at 9:30 at night from her shift, 42 minutes later, she calls the police, saying her little boy is missing. Not hours later, it`s minutes later.

And here`s one of he most concerning things of all. The reports are saying that when she got home, that the boyfriend really wasn`t searching for the little boy, didn`t really seem to be upset at all. And there`s a question whether he was even at home when she arrived home from the shift.

GRACE: You know, Jean, you know how much this is striking home for me. My children, my twins are 4, and by the time our program ends and I race home -- race -- home, you know, it`s 9:30, quarter of 10:00. You`re getting in after a long day of work, and what you look forward to is that child or those children. That`s why you race home. That`s why you work, to make a living for those children.

Joining me right now is a very special guest joining us exclusively. I`m hearing in my ear we have with us Jaimee Chamberlain. This is Carnel`s mother. Jaimee, thank you for being with us.


GRACE: Jaimee, tell me what -- when did you last see Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: I left work about 3:45 (INAUDIBLE) right up the street from where I live at.

GRACE: OK, and you work as a waitress, right?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, at Isabellas (ph), at the (INAUDIBLE) casino.

GRACE: OK. So you`re working as a waitress. You last see him at 3:45, and at that time, Jaimee, what was he doing?

CHAMBERLAIN: When I left last time, he was laying in my back bedroom watching me get ready for work while he was watching cartoons. That`s the last time I seen him was when he was watching "Adventure Time"! That was the last time I seen him, when I left for work, he was in my bedroom, and everything was fine! And then I left. And then that`s why -- you know, I called him, and then that`s when I found out about everything going on.

GRACE: So he`s at home with your boyfriend. And you`ve known the boyfriend for about a year, getting close to a year now. Had there ever been any disputes or problems between your boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, and your little boy, Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: The only thing that we recently started doing was, like, Anthony started, like, spanking him and started disciplining him. And we started putting him in the -- like, we`d been putting him a chair in the corner to discipline him. That`s the only thing that recently has been going on between him and Anthony that I know Carnel is upset about.

GRACE: Well, OK, let me ask you this, Jaimee. What would set Anthony, the boyfriend, off? Why would he feel he had to discipline 4-year-old Carnel? What would Carnel do to make him feel he needed to be spanked?

CHAMBERLAIN: I don`t even know because even at times, I`d tell him -- I asked him, why is he disciplining him. And like, he`d tell him to go sit in the time-out chair just because he`d be crying for a reason that he doesn`t want -- like, if he doesn`t want to do something, he`d just start crying, and Anthony would just put him in the chair to, you know, put him time out because if he`s crying for no reason.

GRACE: OK, what about spanking him? Why would he spank Carnel?

CHAMBERLAIN: That much I don`t know. I know when I noticed the bruises on his butt, like, he tried demonstrating it for me, and like, I seen him, like, put a lot of force into it. And I asked him, I was, like, Why are you spanking him that hard? I told him (INAUDIBLE) you just need to tap (ph) him (INAUDIBLE) I don`t know -- you know, a powerful spank, like it was to a point where I noticed there was bruises on his butt.

GRACE: OK, Jaimee, Jaimee, your boyfriend was spanking the 4-year-old so hard, it left bruises on his behind?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it did.

GRACE: What, if anything, did you do about that?

CHAMBERLAIN: Well, I didn`t think of -- I really -- at first, I didn`t think of anything of it, you know, until, like, you know, after all this happened. But I just thought, you know, maybe he spanked him hard to where, like, you know, Carnel (INAUDIBLE) learn it.

But I know how my son is, and I know you just have to talk to him about it. You know, I tried telling Anthony that, You don`t need to speak him. Like, Carnel is able -- you`re able to talk to him and he understands right from wrong.

GRACE: Well, I have a concern if he would spank the boy hard enough to bruise his little booty, that`s pretty forceful, to get bruises on your rear end.

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. Yes, I recently just -- I recently noticed this about - - it was about a week ago when I noticed the bruises on his butt.

GRACE: OK. So that`s been in the last week?


GRACE: When you asked him about it, what did he say Carnel had done to deserve a spanking?

CHAMBERLAIN: He hasn`t -- he hasn`t really explained to me why. He just said that, like -- I know one of the times is because he didn`t clean his room. And he said, I keep going in there and asking him, and he`s not doing what I`m saying. So I know he spanked him because one of the times just because he wouldn`t clean his room.

GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) your 4-year-old would clean his room?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. Yes. We were training him to be a grown man. And we were -- you know, he`d clean his room. We trained him to put his toys (INAUDIBLE) like, in the (INAUDIBLE) We, you know, got him to where he was getting his trash in the trash can. We were pretty much making -- trying to make him do chores and stuff at 4.

GRACE: Let me ask you about Carnel.


GRACE: How long has the boyfriend been living in the home? And did that bother your son, your 4-year-old son, when he moved in?

CHAMBERLAIN: Well, he moved in -- we started -- we dated about seven months now, and we moved in with each other around -- about the end of February or March. And this is the only man that my son has called Stepdad. He`s the only man that -- since his father has not been around, this is the only guy that Carnel felt comfortable enough to call him Stepdad.

GRACE: Well, did he ever complain about Anthony spanking him or being mean to him?

CHAMBERLAIN: (INAUDIBLE) he had complained to me about him being mean to him and stuff. And I just told him, I was, like -- you know, I was, like, You should just listen to what Anthony`s trying to say to you. Because I thought it was just him being -- you know, Carnel being, like, you know, a little boy trying to say, No, I don`t want to clean my room, you know? But I didn`t think of nothing like that until now.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family revealing the body of missing 4-year-old boy Carnel Chamberlain has been found under a wooden porch. A family spokesman claims the body had to be in a grave because searchers have previously looked in this area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The boyfriend said the boy was in a small pool behind the home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So we want to concentrate on that area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carnel vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was no sign of an abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carnel was swimming and playing in the back yard, the last he knew. He was inside cleaning the house.


GRACE: With me tonight in a primetime exclusive, Carnel`s mom. She goes to work to support the family, comes home from her job waiting tables in a restaurant in a casino, the baby`s gone. There in the house, all propped (ph) up, the boyfriend.

Let me ask you this -- with me, Jaimee Chamberlain. She`s also taking your calls. And I also want to point out, according to my investigation, she`s already passed -- repeat, passed -- two separate polygraphs. And you know how I am on the parents. I think they should immediately submit to whatever police want so police can move off them and look for whoever took the child.

We are taking your calls. I want to go quickly to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Deal Breakers." You know, I have the twins in vacation Bible school. And I was with them all day after they were picked up, and it was only about six or seven hours later that my little boy told me that an older boy, as John David said, bullied on him at Bible school.

Took seven hours of me going, Well, what happened? Did you have fun? What did you do? And then I went and got independent corroboration -- Lucy -- and found out what had really happened. So I`m not at all surprised that Carnel maybe didn`t verbalize to his mother.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Of course Carnel didn`t verbalize it. He`s a 4-year-old, and a 4-year-old will blame himself. But this is a classic case of child abuse in that Anthony was blurring the boundaries between what it means to be an adult and what it means to be a child. And giving a 4-year-old an adult task or an older child`s task of cleaning his room was, in effect, setting him up for punishment.

And it`s as if he, in his mind, wanted to prove that this boy was bad, so he gave him tasks that were developmentally inappropriate, then spanked him, then put him in the corner. And that was the sign that poor Jaimee should have seen.

Only a week had lapsed. So Jaimee, I don`t blame you at all for this. But as you sort of rewind history, I think that you should see that Anthony saw your child as bad. Anthony set your little boy up. And this is the outcome so you can fill in the story of what might have happened that day that you were at work.

GRACE: So Dr. Bethany, you think having a 4-year-old clean their room is asking too much of the 4-year-old?

MARSHALL: It`s asking way too much! And you know...


GRACE: Whoa, whoa! Pause. I`m asking for selfish reasons because I don`t think that John David and Lucy are at the stage to clean up their room. I mean, I can get to maybe pick up something that they drop, and we put that away. But to set a child to clean up and then spank it when it doesn`t...

MARSHALL: Of course!

GRACE: ... clean up it`s whole room -- OK, I want to get back to Jaimee. With me is Carnel`s mom, joining me exclusively tonight. Jaimee, what is Anthony Bennett saying now?

CHAMBERLAIN: He still ain`t working with none of the police officers. He still has no contact with none of my family.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know my whole community`s trying to help me, and I just hope we find him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight, friends and family want answers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was just -- you know, everybody loved him.


GRACE: With me right now in a primetime exclusive, his mom joining me, Jaimee Chamberlain. She`s out working, supporting the family, comes home, the little boy is gone -- by all accounts, a peaceful, a sweet little boy, never gave anybody a day`s trouble. He`s gone, seemingly vanishing into thin air.

Jaimee Chamberlain, when you walked in the door that evening from work at Isabel`s (ph) restaurant, what was Anthony Bennett, your boyfriend, doing? When you walked in the door, where was he?

CHAMBERLAIN: He was walking to me. As soon as I opened the door, he was, like, walking out to me.

GRACE: And what did he say?

CHAMBERLAIN: He pretty much told me that he`s gone. And like, I just didn`t believe him. And that`s all I could think about is, like, I need to look everywhere first. I need to look -- I mean, I turned my house upside down looking for him.

And then there`s the next-door neighbors, where there`s a bunch of kids next door, and like, usually, when we`re outside, they`re, like, Come on, Carnel, come next door. And that was the second place I went to go look. And once they said they didn`t see my son, that`s when I knew I had to call the cops because I don`t know where he could have been!

GRACE: When you asked the live-in, Where is Carnel, what was his explanation as to the last time he saw him?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he came up missing. That`s all he told me what happened. His story just doesn`t make sense, and he just came up missing.

GRACE: Well, what do you mean came up missing? Did he leave the boy outside while he was inside?


CHAMBERLAIN: He said that he was cleaning -- he said he was the house while Carnel was playing outside. And then he was telling everybody that he left the front door open, the sliding glass door open and a couple windows open. And it`s, like, Well, how come -- couldn`t you just hear him just take off, if that`s what happened? He said he didn`t hear nothing, said he didn`t see nothing.

GRACE: OK. Was the house clean when you came in? Did it look like he had really cleaned the house?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it was, until I -- later on that night, I noticed that there was something up in my bathroom.

GRACE: What?

CHAMBERLAIN: That my bathroom floor was wet, and that`s all I noticed that was messed up was in my bathroom.

GRACE: The bathroom floor was wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. And it was wet to the point where my carpet even got wet. And he said that he drew me a bath before I got home, and he said -- he said -- I don`t know what he was doing. And then he said he just wasn`t paying attention and the bath water overflowed. And that`s why (INAUDIBLE) you`re not paying attention to my son! You`re not paying attention to this water that you`re supposed to be drawing me a bath for, then what are you doing? It just doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: Has he taken a lie detector?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, he hasn`t. And then the next day, his dad helped him get a lawyer.

GRACE: To Frank Cloutier, spokesman joining us tonight from Saginaw. Frank, thank you for being with us. Have the drains been taken out of that bathtub to check for forensics?

FRANK CLOUTIER, SPOKESMAN (via telephone): I know that the house has been secured by the tribal police department and the FBI to kind of keep safe any possible evidence that may be there.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is breaking news in the search for missing 4- year-old Carnel Chamberlain. His body has reportedly just been found, buried under a wooden porch at the family home, the body also reportedly found burned. Questions swirl. What led authorities back to the porch? Who killed an innocent 4-year-old boy with so much life to live? Tonight, friends and family want answers.


GRACE: With me tonight is his mother, who was at work that night, comes home, the baby is gone. To Jaimee Chamberlain, Carnel`s mom. Did your boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, have a job?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, he didn`t.


CHAMBERLAIN: Because he has two felonies on his record and nobody around us could help him out.

GRACE: What kind of felonies?

CHAMBERLAIN: I want to say felonious assault and (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Ms. Chamberlain, were you concerned about leaving your child with him?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he loved me. And the only reason why I started trusting Anthony is because my brother introduced us and, you know, I was thinking because, you know, I`m my brother`s little sister that he wouldn`t send me somebody like that. I trusted him with everything, with my son.

GRACE: Out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, what else do we know.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well Nancy, one of the problems here is establishing a timeline. Police are telling us that one of the key components, the reason why the police are saying the boyfriend isn`t cooperating, is the fact that he won`t answer really simple questions like what time was it that you last saw Carnel playing outside. They say he won`t answer that. And we have a big window of time here from 3:45, when mom leaves for work and 9:30 when she gets home.

There were some neighbors saying they think they saw him playing in the yard that afternoon, but some other workers working -- construction workers working on a neighbor`s house saying they saw him Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, but they didn`t see him at all on Thursday, the day that he went missing.

GRACE: Out to the line. Teresa in Oklahoma. Hi Teresa, what is your question?

TERESA, CALLER, OKLAHOMA: He didn`t pay any attention about the boy, he didn`t bother to go look for him before she got off from work or anything?

GRACE: Let`s find out. What do we know? I want to go to Frank Cloutier here, spokesman joining us tonight, speaking for the family. Frank, did he at least say he had looked for the boy?

FRANK CLOUTIER, SPOKESMAN, CHAMBERLAIN FAMILY: No. At no time did he say he looked for the child.

GRACE: OK. Frank, what is his story? When Jamie gets home, he just says the boy went missing, he doesn`t know when he last saw him, nothing?

CLOUTIER: That`s basically where we are at.

GRACE: Jamie, what can you tell us again about the bathroom.

CHAMBERLAIN: Because when I went in there and I first noticed it because I didn`t notice it until all the police were out looking and told me he`s there. And I was hoping that they would give me some information or in case he came home. And I was, you know, as soon as everybody was out looking for him, the first instance in my head was well, maybe I should go look in the house to see what was out of the ordinary.

And then, that`s when I walked in the bathroom and my feet started sinking in like it was wet and I noticed that the floor in my bathroom was wet and I have little candles that sit beside my bathtub and those were in the water. So, as soon as I seen that, you know, I had to let the FBI and everybody know what I noticed so they could see everything.

GRACE: When you asked him what had happened in the bathroom, what did he say?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said he was drawing me a bath for when I got out of work. And he said that he wasn`t pay attention and al of a sudden, it overflowed.

GRACE: When you got home, was there water in the bathtub?

CHAMBERLAIN: There was, but you would think that if it was over flown, it would be over the top, and you would think all the water was drained out. The water was like - half way I there, more halfway in there than anything.

GRACE: Did you notice anything else out of place in the home? Jamie, did you notice anything else out of the place in the home?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, I did. And I just -- when everything happened, I like, you know, because I`m looking in the room, and I was looking around to see if anything was, you know, anything out of the ordinary after I seen the carpet. And as I was looking around on the floor to see what all got wet, I noticed his two, they`re brown stains on my carpet and I noticed that only the stains were wet and around the carpet was dry and my first instinct was like, OK, I better go get a paper towel to see what color came out of it. And then when I see it, it came out was brown and then, you know, my first instinct was blood so I stuck my hand in it and my hand was sticky and then when I smelled my hand, it smelled like cleaning products.

GRACE: So, do you believe someone -- is your bathroom carpeted?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, it is.

GRACE: So, you think someone cleaned the bathroom carpet?

CHAMBERLAIN: I don`t know. I just know what I seen and I let the FBI take it from there.

GRACE: This is what I don`t understand, Jamie, so he says the boy`s missing, but he thought to draw you a bath while the little boy`s missing?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. That`s why it doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, the former senior attorney with the national district attorney`s office. Peter Odom, defense attorney Atlanta, Kirby Clemens, former prosecutor, now defense attorney.

Eleanor weigh in.

ELEANOR ODOM, DEATH PENALTY-QUALIFIED PROSECUTOR: Well Nancy, all of this is very suspicious of course against the defendant. And Nancy, you and I have prosecuted hundreds of child abuse cases. Have you ever notice that the person whose last with the child is always doing something that I called heroic. You know, they are cleaning up or they are feeding the child or they are giving the child a bath. And here, we have our hero, the boyfriend, is cleaning up the house all of a sudden.

GRACE: Did he normally clean the house, Jamie Chamberlain?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, he did.

GRACE: Kirby Clemons, are you going to ask to straight face, go along with your child, your 4-year-old`s missing, but it`s a good thing that he thought to draw the bath and let it run over and clean the floor with cleaning products where there`s brown stains.

KIRBY CLEMENS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, several things, one, we don`t know when that cleaning product got there, so I don`t really say that that`s not even suspicious at this point. Number two, the fact that he says I wasn`t paying attention to the boy, I wasn`t paying attention to what I was doing. That makes perfect sense. That`s why the bath overflowed, and that appeared at this point to be how the boy went missing. The fact that he was negligent and that the bathroom was flown, it`s not a problem. I mean, it means nothing. I agree with Peter.

GRACE: Jaimee Chamberlain, when did he say the last time it, that he saw the boy, Jaimee?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said 9:30?

GRACE: At night?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. 9:30 at night.

GRACE: And what does he say, he was doing? What is Carnel doing at 9:30 at night? He should have been in bed asleep, but what did he say he was doing?

CHAMBERLAIN: He said, he was out playing in the in the pool that on our porch in our backyard.

GRACE: Well, Cloutier. This is new. This is completely new. OK. I thought he didn`t say anything. Now, I`m understanding, he says the boy was outside in the pool at 9:30 at night.

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. He said he was outside playing in the pool and he was inside cleaning the house.

GRACE: At 9:30 at night?


GRACE: Why wasn`t the little boy in bed, he`s 4 years old.

CHAMBERLAIN: Nancy, before I left for work, I told him to put my son to bed at 9:00.

GRACE: Everybody, I want to give you the tip line, 989-775-4700.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was just, you know, everybody loved him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight, friends and family want answers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carnel was at home with Jaimee`s live in boyfriend last Thursday, the day he went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain, apparently his body has just been found buried underneath a wooden porch at the family home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says her boyfriend told her Carnel was swimming and playing in the backyard the last he knew. She says he was inside cleaning the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who killed an innocent 4-year-old boy with so much life to live.


GRACE: Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaaskids foundation who with the same agony with his little girl went missing as well.

Marc, give us your advice, what is your assessment?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: The fact -- the thing we didn`t have in our case was a third party who refused to take a polygraph exam. Everybody was up front in working with the authorities. And it`s nothing but red flags, Nancy, when you find this young man who refuses to cooperate with the authorities, who was apparently abusive and since he was cleaning the house, this is not a scenario that works on any level whatsoever. They have to lean very, very heavily on this young man and get to the truth of what happened to this child.

GRACE: To Frank Coutier, the spokesperson joining us tonight. Frank, again, thank you for you and Jaimee being with us.

Frank, he is the age of my twins, and I like Jaimee do a back flip if they are up and about running around at 9:00 at night and here this child is in the backyard in the pool at 9:30 at night? None of it makes sense. And what I`m trying to figure out is, if the live in was so distracted that he didn`t notice the water in the bathtub overflowing and he didn`t notice what happened to the boy, what was he doing, Frank, during all this?

CLOUTIER: Those are many questions that we have yet to get answers for, simply because he`s not cooperating.

GRACE: Joining us is John Loosidge, former criminal investigation - investigator and president of E-forensic. What`s your take, John? What do we do now?

Well first of all what he`s saying doesn`t make sense because, Nancy, we all have bathtubs at home and most of them were designed not to overflow at all. There`s a drain about three-quarters of the way up and if the water keeps running, it runs right out.

JOHN LOOSIDGE, FORMER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION: The only thing I can think of that will cause water to be all over the place is a struggle inside the bathroom. I can`t say what happen there, but I can tell you this. Most bathtubs are designed not to overflow. The fact that this guy is lying and not cooperating is a big red flag, but this story`s got to be checked out. If that`s the kind of bathtub that doesn`t overflow, they got to bring him this guy in and not let him go until he - in fact, they can charge with lying, at least we in half in investigation to get this guy in.

Remember, m last comment, this is a guy who is far in the criminal justice system and knows how to work the system. That`s why he wants a lawyer.

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, In Session.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Nancy, you have uncovered information tonight that has not been revealed at all. And the bathroom and the bathtub, and I want to know the water setting in that bathtub, was it at the very hot level?

GRACE: You know, back to Jaimee Chamberlain, this is Carnel`s mother. And I want to report to everyone, she has taken and passed with flying colors, two separate polygraph tests, she was the only one working to support the three of them. She`s at work at her job at Isabel`s restaurant there at the casino, gets home 9:30, the boyfriend, the live in says, little boy is gone and he was distracted to cleaning the house.

Now, I`m learning that he says the little boy was outside swimming in the backyard pool at 9:30 at night and the boyfriend is distracted cleaning the house. I also learn from Jaimee, tonight is the first we`re learning about this, the carpet in the bathroom was completely soaked. There was a brown stain and it smelled like cleaning fluid.

Jaimee, does your bathroom tub have one of those drain things right below the hot and cold water controls.

CHAMBERLAIN: It`s just a drain. We have in our back bedroom, we have a Jacuzzi. So I honestly don`t think it had a draining thing. I know where the Jacuzzi is, it has a little sitting point and then it has the switch on the jets and to control the jets and that`s it.

GRACE: Ok. Wait a minute. Wait. Is the bathtub also a Jacuzzi?


GRACE: All right, so there`s not one of those little holes, kind of a drain right there underneath the hot and cold water control?

CHAMBERLAIN: No. No, there is not.


KEN NEDIMYER, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: I grew up diving in the Florida keys, and it was just the most magical place. The coral reefs were so pretty and I decided that`s what I wanted to do for a living was dive on coral reefs.

In an area where there is a live coral there`s always more fish. Reefs provides protection for our coastal areas and recreational opportunities for millions of people. I have been diving for 40 years and over time I saw those coral reefs start to die. Coral Reefs worldwide are in decline. If coral reefs died completely, coastal communities would be bankrupt, tourism would be virtually gone, a billion people in the world will be impacted.

I started thinking how can we fix this problem?

My name is Ken Nedimyer. I grow, protect and restore coral reefs.

GARY YOSS, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: We have developed something that`s simple and we can train others to do.

NEDIMYER: We take a piece of coral this big and hang it on the trees, and after about a year or two, it becomes this big, and we cut the branches off and we do it again.

BILL CAUSEY, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: Ken`s coral nursery is larger than the others in the Caribbean. It`s ten times larger than the others there in existence.

NEDIMYER: Since 2003, we have literally planted six corals here, but now there`s over 3,000 growing in this area alone.

Before I felt helpless watching it die. Now I think there`s hope, it`s not too late, everybody can help. And I see all those corals and all those fish, so it`s like this whole reef is coming back to life and making a difference is exciting.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carnel Chamberlain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the span of a week, their world has been turned upside down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was just, you know, everybody loved him.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family revealing the body of missing 4-year-old boy, Carnel Chamberlain, has been found, under a wooden porch.


GRACE: Out to Belinda in Kentucky. Hi, Belinda. What`s your question?

BELINDA, CALLER, KENTUCKY: My question, to my understanding, the boyfriend of the little boy -- of the mother did deny lie detector tests that whole time. I was just wondering what the circumstances of the case, is there not a judge that can order him to take one?

GRACE: Sadly, Belinda, in Kentucky, in our country, you cannot force someone to take a polygraph test or given an answer to questions as to the whereabouts of this child.

I want to go to Dr. Michelle Dupree, medical examiner, forensic pathologist.

Dr. Dupree, police reportedly have executed a search warrant on the boyfriend. What does that mean?

DOCTOR MICHELLE DUPREE, MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes, Nancy. That means basically that they will have a search warrant to collect evidence from this person that can collect need evidence from his person that can collect blood that can collect DNA, they can collect hairs. They can collect any kind of evidence from him.

GRACE: Also, police have reportedly searched a wooded area near a waste water treatment plant. What forensics could they be looking for, Doctor?

DUPREE: They would be looking for any signs that would connect either the child or the boyfriend to that location. Things like trace evidence, anything, again, hairs, fibers, bloodstains, any kind of serological evidence. Anything signs of trauma, even, signs of a struggle or signs they were actually there.


GRACE: Joining me tonight, also taking your calls, his mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, who I would like to point out, has passed two separate polygraphs.

Out to Charlotte in Kansas. Hi, Charlotte. What`s your question, dear?

CHARLOTTE, CALLER, KANSAS: Hi, Nancy. I saw one of your shows yesterday about the boy last seen in the pool, and that was stayed by the dad, yet the description that he had on, it was shorts and a t-shirt. So, kind of sounds like, you know, really was he put out in the pool or was he out playing and if he was out in a pool, why was he out by himself?

GRACE: You know, to Jaimee Chamberlain, this is Carnel`s mom, the description of him wearing the dark blue angry bird t-shirt, the blue short with the green trim is that what you observed him wearing when you went to work?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, it wasn`t.

GRACE: What was he wearing then?

CHAMBERLAIN: He was wearing dark -- dark green shorts with a light green trim and then the shirt, wasn`t even wearing a shirt when I left. He was just wearing shorts but as the cops were looking through my house and they told me to go through stuff, I actually found the wet pair of shorts that I see him wearing when I left for work.

GRACE: You found him -- you found the green shorts?

CHAMBERLAIN: That he was wearing before I left for work and they were wet.

GRACE: So the shorts he was wearing when you went to work, were they sopping wet, like they had been underwater?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, they were like in between damp -- it was in between damp to wet, it was in between that.

GRACE: Where did you find them? Where were they?

CHAMBERLAIN: They were in our laundry room.

GRACE: Were they wet with water or wet with urine like he had wet his pants?

CHAMBERLAIN: They were wet like water.

GRACE: Why were they wet -- why were they wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: My first instinct was to think that them were the shorts he was wearing when he was playing outside. As soon as Anthony saw -- he made no sense to me, that`s when, even me, I thought he is probably not even wearing the clothes he said he was wearing. So --

GRACE: Did you give police those shorts?

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, I did. I gave them every piece of article I thought he was wearing. Yes.

GRACE: Jaimee, is the water in your pool chlorinated?

CHAMBERLAIN: No, it`s not.

GRACE: OK. So, it would be the same as the water in your bathtub, correct?


GRACE: What was your boyfriend`s explanation as to why your little boy`s pants were soaking wet?

CHAMBERLAIN: He didn`t say why. He just said he changed him.

GRACE: Tip line, 989-775-4700.

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Simone Robinson, American hero.

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