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Nancy Grace

Jodi Arias Penalty Verdict

Aired May 24, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No unanimous agreement. Signed, foreperson. Is this your true verdict, so say you one and all?

JURY: Yes.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: And the verdict is there is no verdict! There had to be a unanimous agreement, life or death. That`s why this was handled different than an ordinary verdict because the reality is, there is no verdict.

For those of you just joining us, the jury is locked, deadlocked, hung, mistrial. That`s why there was no -- bzzzz, there`s a verdict, because this jury is stuck after hearing evidence since January.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, when I walked in the courtroom the first time and looked at who the defendant was, you know, it`s hard to put that in perspective when you look at a young woman and think of the crime, and then you see the brutality of the crime, it just doesn`t wash. So it`s very difficult to -- to -- to divert -- divest yourself from the personal, from the emotional part of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m absolutely sick! It`s just not right! I can`t believe that the jurors were picked knowing that this was a death penalty case and that it can`t come up with the right decision! It`s not right!

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GRACE: There was a hubbub. There was an electricity just before everyone made it into the courtroom. There were rumors of a verdict, and then, no, it`s a question. It can`t be a verdict. It`s not being handled like a verdict. But then why was Travis Alexander`s family called in? Why were they trying to reach Jodi Arias`s family? Everything indicated that something serious was about to happen.

But there had been no buzzer ring of a verdict. It all became painfully apparent what had happened. The jury announced their verdict, all right. The verdict was there is no verdict. The jury could not agree on sentencing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias, sentencing verdict. We, the jury, duly empaneled and sworn, in the above entitled action, upon our oath, unanimously find, having considered all the facts and circumstances, that the defendant should be sentenced -- no unanimous agreement. Signed, foreperson.

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GRACE: Many court watchers say they saw it coming, and I think they`re right.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this your true verdict, so say you one and all?

JURY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The bailiff will ask each -- I`m sorry, the clerk of you a question. Please answer yes or no.

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GRACE: Whenever jurors would go on break, as the hours passed, several jurors would stand off to the side, their arms crossed, their faces clenched. When it all went down in that Phoenix courtroom, one of the jurors turned to Travis Alexander`s family and said what we all felt. "I`m sorry," she mouthed to the family.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number one, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number two, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number three, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number four, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number six, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number seven, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number nine, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number 12, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number 13, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number 14, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number 16, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Juror number 18, is this your true verdict?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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GRACE: Overwhelmed at seeing Travis Alexander`s family with such suffering, a deputy (INAUDIBLE) and tried to console them, a apologize to them, tried to help them. The looks on their faces said it all. A camera panned down the front row, and it started with one brother, his face clenched, barely able to contain his emotion as he looked dead on, right at the jury.

The women`s faces, all of them beautiful women, related siblings of Travis Alexander, were twisted and contorted, crying. They were all clutching each other. The camera went on to another man. His face was stone, looking at that jury. It went down the entire pew.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to declare a mistrial as to the penalty phase, the order setting a retrial on the penalty phase for July 18th in this division, this order setting a status conference in this division on penalty phase matters for June 20th at 8:30 AM.

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GRACE: And the suffering that was emanating from them was palpable in that courtroom. You could feel it. You could feel the emotion. It was like a presence in that courtroom. When the judge tried to address the jury and address the audience, she was so overwhelmed, she had to stop and catch herself, her voice cracking.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of the participants in this trial, I wish to thank you for your extraordinary service to this community. This was not your typical trial. You were asked to perform very difficult responsibilities. The admonition is now lifted. You are free to talk about the case or not talk about it, as you wish.

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GRACE: This is a judge that has been stoic throughout the entire proceeding, so overwhelmed with how justice or injustice was unfolding in her courtroom. There was nothing she could do about it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will be back shortly to personally thank each of you for your service. You are excused.

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GRACE: This judge had already dynamited the jury. In other words, when they said they were deadlocked, sent them back to deliberate more, asked, Do you need exhibits, do you need a read-back? What can we give you to help you resolve this?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ladies and gentlemen, I have received your note indicating that you are unable to come to a unanimous decision. I have some suggestions to help your deliberations, and not to force you to reach a verdict. I am merely trying to be responsive to your apparent need for help. I do not wish nor intend to force a verdict.

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GRACE: In the end, nothing worked.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Each juror has a duty to consult with one another, to deliberate with a view to reaching an agreement, if it can be done without violence to individual judgment.

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GRACE: It`s left many experts, many veteran lawyers, suspicious, suspicious that way back when in December, December of 2012, when voir dire first went into motion -- coincidentally, "voir dire" is French, Latin. It means to speak the truth. Jury selection`s called voir dire.

Many people are now suspicious that there were jurors that were not completely honest during voir dire, maybe not completely honest with themselves, because they all swore and took the juror`s oath under U.S. v. Witherspoon that they could consider and hand down the death penalty, if warranted. But when it came to the final hours, they couldn`t do it.

Yes, it is a lot to ask of a juror, of any citizen, to hand down the death penalty. But they agreed to it. They agreed they could do it. In the end, they could not.

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JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: The difficult thing to do under these circumstances, the only thing you can do based on the mitigating circumstances and their lack of, is to return a verdict of death. Thank you.

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GRACE: On the other side of the courtroom, Kleenex boxes were lined up for Arias and her supporters, fully expecting an announcement of the death penalty. Arias sat stoic, her lawyers around her, Willmott sitting beside her, we believe clutching her hand. We could visibly observe her exhale a sigh of relief when she realized the jury was hung.

Yes, she slaughtered Travis Alexander like a pig out in the slaughterhouse, but she will live on. She will have another star turn in court. She`ll be the center of attention again. She`ll give more national interviews. She`ll demand hair and makeup once again. It will be lights, camera, Arias!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming to a soul-searching moment for the jury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it life or death?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a difficult decision.

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: Either way, I`m going to spend the rest of my life in prison.

MARTINEZ: Mr. Alexander is no longer going to have any more yesterdays.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not wish or intend to force a verdict.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you wonder, what`s going on in that jury room? What`s the question they`re trying to decide?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You were never a scorned, bitter woman jealous by (ph) these other women.

ARIAS: I had no knowledge of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there jealousy?

ARIAS: On my end, not so much jealousy, maybe a sense of insecurity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too much has been invested in this trial, too much money, too much time on the part of everyone, not just the attorneys but primarily the jury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judges isn`t in charge. The lawyers aren`t in charge. Jodi Arias isn`t in charge. The jury is in charge. They will decide when this trial ends.

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GRACE: One person we`ve left out of this equation, Juan Martinez. Many legal eagles are suggesting that Martinez will now consider a deal. I disagree.

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MARTINEZ: To his family, the people that spoke to you, Travis Alexander will be forever young. You have been shown many photographs here of people going through the stages of life and how they`ve gone from children and gotten older, and you`ve seen the progression of life. But to his family, Travis Alexander will be 30 years, 30 years old for the rest of his life.

And as they told you, they try to remember him as he was when he was in life. In fact, they try to remember him as in exhibit 661, that smile and perhaps that twinkle in his eye. And they told you, You know, we try to remember him that way. They talked to you about that during their victim impact statement.

But they also told you that they couldn`t forget. Even though they remember him this way, they can`t forget. They can`t forget what happened on June 4th of 2008. They can`t forget that on that afternoon, Travis Victor Alexander suffered immense physical pain. They can`t forget that he suffered extreme emotional distress. They can`t forget that. And they can`t forget that it was especially cruel.

And that is something that you shouldn`t also forget as you (INAUDIBLE) decide this case. You should not forget as you deliberate this and determine whether or not this is -- there are mitigating circumstances and whether or not you should consider them. You should not forget exhibit 205 because, as his family told you, they haven`t forgotten it.

And that exemplifies or sets out this especially cruel crime, especially cruel in the sense that it hurt, extreme pain, and extreme emotional distress. And that is what you need to take back with you when you are attempting to take a look at some of these mitigating circumstances that they have proposed for you.

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GRACE: Martinez, I predict, will take this back to another jury, only strengthened by what has happened in court this week.

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ARIAS: In prison, there are programs I can start and people I can help. My hair was past my waist, and I donated it to Locks of Love, a non- profit which (INAUDIBLE) wigs for cancer patients who have lost their hair. I can help other women become literate so that they, too, can add that dimension to their life. I`d like to implement a recycling program. Over the years I`ve spent in incarceration, I`ve received many requests from women to teach them Spanish or American Sign Language. In prison, I will.

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GRACE: At this very hour, the county officials are saying they plan to retry the sentencing phase for Jodi Arias. That is their plan as of this moment. I imagine that they are saying that because they want to consult with the family of Travis Alexander. If the family decides they don`t want to live through this ordeal again, I believe the state (INAUDIBLE) a plea. But I find it very difficult to believe that Travis`s family will agree to a deal.

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SAMANTHA ALEXANDER, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S SISTER: To this day, my mind (INAUDIBLE) a picture of what happened the night Travis was taken, even though I try not to let it. Upon standing in the same exact spot where this horrific tragedy happened, when we had to go to Travis`s house after the investigators were done, I felt the same sickened feeling, my ears ringing, burning stomach. My eyes were filled with tears to where I could barely see.

The thoughts of what Travis must have went through that day, the pain, the agony, the screams and fear that Travis must have felt when he was brutally being taken.

We have been at this trial every day since it started. We have heard every detail about the crime and the injuries Travis suffered. I am a police officer, and some of these photos are more gruesome than I`ve ever seen in my 11 years in law enforcement.

Our minds are permanently stained with the images of our poor brother`s throat slit from ear to ear! Our minds are stained with the image of Travis`s body slumped dead in the shower.

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GRACE: There is one winner in this week`s scenario, week 21 of the Jodi Arias trial. That winner is Arias. This turn, the mistrial, is a victory for the defense. It is a defeat for the state.

But let me assure you that from our defeats, we only become stronger. It is only in losing that we can win because now Martinez is going to dig in even deeper to take on Jodi Arias and her defense team.

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JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI ARIAS`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Mitigating factors are reasons that give you a reason for you to believe that there is something of value in Jodi`s life, a reason to say that you can punish her with life in prison instead of execution.

Mitigating factors are not excuses, and that is not why we`re up here. They are not an excuse for what she did. You have already convicted her of first degree murder for them, so we are not up here to talk about excuses for why she did it.

Mitigating factors are reasons why you can find that they are sufficiently substantial to call for punishment of life in prison. Mitigating factors are completely unrelated, completely unrelated to and separate from the first degree murder conviction.

And the judge read to you in those instructions that you have convicted her of first degree murder. You`ve done that, and we`re this far. But mitigating factors have nothing to do with excusing that crime, and they have -- they`re completely unrelated and separate now from the actual crime itself. Mitigating factors are reasons that you can find that are sufficiently substantial to call for life in prison.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you still disagree, you may wish to tell the attorneys and me which issues, questions, laws or facts you would like us to assist you with.

ARIAS: To this day, I can hardly believe I was capable of such violence, but I know that I was.

When I was little, my mom took a lot of pictures of me. I`m not going to become a mother because of my own terrible choices. As it now stands, I`ll never create another oil painting.

And when Samantha showed us the last picture that she took with Travis, I know it`s because of me that that will always be the last picture that she`ll ever take with Travis. And for that, I`m going to be sorry for the rest of my life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At this time, please go back to the jury room and continue deliberating. You are excused.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m very sure in my own mind that she was mentally and verbally abused. Now, is that an excuse? Of course not. Does it factor into the decisions that we make? It has to.

We couldn`t allow ourselves to be emotional on the stand. We couldn`t allow ourselves to show emotion, though I`m sure some came through. And I`m very, very proud of my peers and my jurors that were with us because they did a fantastic job of holding it together.

Different story once we got back in the jury room. It was a gut- wrenching thing that we had to go through, and everybody had to make their own decision.

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GRACE: This new jury that will be empaneled will not hear months of evidence, so all the lawyers have to retool their cases just for penalty. That`s going to be very, very difficult. It will be an altogether different guilty phase trial than what we saw this time. This jury was already very well versed in all the minutiae of this case, all the evidence, all the facts. A new jury? Not so. They will have to be schooled.

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MARTINEZ: We talked about this issue during the (INAUDIBLE) phase of the proceedings, and that`s what the evidence showed, that there was no reports of any kind, none whatsoever, with regard to any abuse at all when she was a child.

The only thing that we have is somebody that was growing up with her saying that, well, the defendant likes to play the victim, even though she was never abused. And that`s according to Alyce LaViolette. As an adult, of course, they want to rehash, replay, continue their frontal attack and to smear Mr. Alexander. And they...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection, your honor (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

MARTINEZ: And she indicates to you during her allocution, That was never my intent. I wanted to keep it quiet.

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GRACE: Still, I don`t think Martinez is going to take a deal. I just don`t see it. And I don`t care what hardship it brings on this family, I think they are going to want to proceed with a death penalty sentence and a new jury.

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STEVEN ALEXANDER, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S BROTHER: I`ve been hospitalized several times for ulcers and came very near to death. I`ve been on several different antidepressants. Unfortunately, none of them really worked. I wasn`t able to be the husband my wife deserved. I distanced myself from everybody. My wife and I, ultimately, we separated two years ago and we -- (INAUDIBLE) a period of two times for two years. My poor little girl had to be passed back and forth every week.

And now yet again, I have to be away from my wife and my child. It has been over four months now. I go home to California during the weekends. Every time I have to come back to Arizona, I see my little girl cry and beg me not to go. I miss them very much, and I cannot wait for this to end so that we can all get back to our lives.

Travis used to write out his day on a flashcard. The last one he wrote said to call Steven. I never got that call. He had been concerned about my health and wanted to fly me to his house and help me quit smoking. Never got to go.

Now when I want to talk or see my brother, I have to go to a three- and-a-half-foot, eight-foot-long and six-foot-deep hole in the ground.

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GRACE: There`s some speculation that the first thing Arias is going to do is to get a new set of lawyers. I`m not so sure that`s going to happen. These lawyers have tried to get off the Arias case on many occasions, and the judge said no. This is still the same case, it`s just an extension. There`s really no reason for a new set of lawyers to be called in. It will be the same judge, the same lawyers, different jury.

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ARIAS: Following my arrest, I wanted so much to avoid trial -- not necessarily the outcome, although that was naturally not something I was looking forward to, but trial, all of the graphic, mortifying, horrific details paraded out into a public arena. Instead, I was hoping to go quietly into the night, whether off to prison or the next life.

But with the amount of attention my case received early on, I felt in my ignorance that it was necessary to speak out. I got on TV and I lied. I lied about what I did, and I lied about the nature of my relationship with Travis.

It`s never been my intention to malign his name or character. In fact, it was a goal of mine to preserve his reputation. I didn`t want to drag out Travis`s skeletons or mine and explain my experiences with them. I didn`t want to unveil all those ugly text messages and e-mails and that awful tape, all these things which now stand to the public in permanent testimony to the darker aspects of our relationship, to 18 strangers, in front of Travis`s family, in front of my family, in front of what feels like the whole world.

It has never been my intention to throw mud on Travis`s name. When I took the stand, I was obligated to answer the questions posed to me. And if you`ll remember, many times I was quick to defend him in the same breath. I loved Travis and I looked up to him. At one point, he was the world to me.

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GRACE: Because the Jodi Arias jury was hung, mistried, Jodi Arias will remain a closed-custody inmate at the Maricopa County jail, the Estrella jail. We have now learned that the elected sheriff, Joe Arpaio, is disallowing any further interviews by Jodi Arias. That in itself will be excruciating for Arias, who only seems alive when she is in front of a camera.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The "Survivor" T-shirt you had in court today, many people thought that was bad for you, that it wasn`t in great taste and it may have worked against you. What do you think about that?

ARIAS: I don`t see how helping a cause is working against me. If it`s in bad taste, well, then, that`s their opinion and they`re entitled to that. But it`s a cause that I believe very strongly in, and if I didn`t, I wouldn`t have shown that T-shirt.

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GRACE: The energy in the courtroom was altogether different than anything before. And this dates back to December, when the jury was first starting to be selected in the voir dire process.

Several of the jurors were weeping, were crying. They were looking over at the Alexander family. One of them mouthed the words (INAUDIBLE) to them as the family literally crumpled in pain.

I fully expected Arias to give another series of interviews, but the sheriff, Joe Arpaio, ended that. There will be no more jailhouse interviews for Arias, which I`m sure is a great relief to Alexander`s family.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do your attorneys think about you talking to the media so much?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever ask them?

ARIAS: They were -- they felt a little betrayed when I interviewed with you a few weeks ago, just because they weren`t aware that it was going on. And at this point, they`re just -- they said, Go ahead, but be cautious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Jodi.

ARIAS: You`re welcome.

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GRACE: Jodi Arias gave a presentation to the jury, an allocution, as it`s called, where she could not be cross-examined. She basically told the jury, Let me live so I can sell my T-shirts and start a book club and recycle behind bars. At no point during her allocution did Arias ever convey any real sincerity in anything that she said. No apology was ever offered to Travis Alexander`s family.

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ARIAS: Throughout this trial, I`ve avoided looking at Travis`s family for a variety of reasons that I won`t go into. But I`ve wondered, where is his grandma? Is she here? I didn`t learn until last week what happened to her.

Samantha said that Travis was the glue to their family. Around Thanksgiving -- not last year, in 2007, Travis called me. He was really upset. He said his grandmother was ill and frail and that he didn`t know if she was going to make it. He said he didn`t know what his family would do if she didn`t make it because she was the glue to their family. To know now that both are gone and that I may have also inadvertently induced her passing destroyed me.

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GRACE: In my heart of hearts, I do not believe it was her allocution that caused the mistrial, that saved her, in essence. I think one or more jurors, deep in their heart, did not have the wherewithal to vote for the death penalty. I don`t care what they said in voir dire, they would not have given the death penalty if Charles Manson had been on trial. I firmly believe there`s somebody on that jury that simply would not budge on the death penalty.

This is absolutely considered a win for Jodi Arias and her defense team. Whenever you can drive a thorn into the side of the state, that`s a victory. This is a victory. The more time that passes, the more witnesses you lose, you lose momentum, there may be a change in venue -- there`s a variety of factors that combine, that collide to make this a defeat for the state. Yes, Juan Martinez secured a murder one verdict.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias, verdict, count one. We the jury, duly empaneled and sworn, in the above entitled action, upon our oaths do find the defendant as to count one, first degree murder, guilty. Five jurors find premeditated. Zero find felony murder. Seven find both premeditated and felony. Signed, foreperson.

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GRACE: His job is not done. This is not the final chapter in the state versus Jodi Arias.

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MARTINEZ: Premeditated murder requires that the defendant -- and we can personalize it -- Jodi Ann Arias, caused or killed Travis Alexander. Yes, she put that knife in really good in his chest. She slit his throat and she shot him in the face. Yes, she did do that.

And did Jodi Ann Arias intend or know that she would kill Travis Victor Alexander? Absolutely. That`s why she went for the throat. That`s why she just gutted him. And that`s why she stuck it in his chest and that`s why she shot him in the face.

There was this argument that, Well, if she`s dragging him back, she would have to aim. No, she wouldn`t. He was shot in the right temple, as opposed to them telling you it was the left temple. And if she`s dragging him this way down the hallway, his right temple would be the one that would be most open to her, and she just took the gun and shot him. He was already dead at the time.

And did Jodi Ann Arias act with premeditation? She did. Premeditation means that Jodi Ann Arias intended to kill Travis Victor Alexander. She sure did.

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GRACE: I was there in the courthouse during the trial. The turn of events in week 21 of the Jodi Arias murder one trial were very, very heart- breaking. I identify very closely with the Travis Alexander family, who through no fault of their own have been dragged into a tornado of evil.

Sitting 30 feet away from Jodi Arias, she emanates evil. I didn`t understand what so many of her acquaintances were talking about when they would say -- and they told me this separately -- when you look at her, it`s like you`re looking at a blank. There`s, like, nothing there. There`s no soul. There`s no -- there`s nothing behind her eyes.

I didn`t get it, really get it until I went in the courtroom myself and sat feet away from her and we locked eyes. And I`ve got to tell you, a feeling came over me. I get it. I completely get it. She is unlike the rest of us that are walking the streets with warm blood in our veins and our heart beating. It`s just -- it`s just -- she`s a whole different animal.

And I felt that when I first saw her and we locked gaze (ph). I get now what they`re all talking about.

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GRACE: The thought that the family will have to relive all of this, that they will have to go back in a courtroom and look at their beloved with his throat slashed ear to ear, crumpled down, naked in the bottom of the shower, over and over and over -- it`s heart-breaking.

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MARTINEZ: 202 -- we`re looking at this injury here. And was that a deep injury or not?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not as deep as some of the others, but it goes...

ARIAS: You`ve heard before that I`m an artist. As it now stands, I`ll never create another oil painting. But these are some of my drawings. (INAUDIBLE) portraits. That`s Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Elizabeth Taylor. This picture is a little distorted. This is my (INAUDIBLE) when she was a bit younger, playing the piano -- well, attempting to play the piano.

My family and I have a lot of memories, especially ones like this at Christmas. We won`t be creating any more of these kinds of memories together. This is how I used to spend the holidays with my family.

It was Carl`s (ph) idea to hold my portrait in this Christmas family photo taken a few years ago. My parents were there. My siblings were there. My brother`s wife was there. From now on, this is how my family`s going to spend the holiday with me.

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GRACE: If I could speak to the Alexander family right now, I would tell them what I know is in their hearts. They need to go home. They need to go home and they need to rest and they need to be away from Jodi Arias. Just like Travis tried to get away from her, they need to be away from her and heal their mind, their spirit and their body because the fight is not over yet.

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