Return to Transcripts main page
Nancy Grace
Oregon Police Search for 13-Year-Old Girl; Minnesota Woman Stabs Husband in Bathtub; Illinois Woman Predicts Own Murder on Facebook; Facebook Murder Conviction?; Doctor Snaps, Believes Hubby is Cheating; Shoplifting Mom Forgot about Her Two Children
Aired December 05, 2013 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Off the top, live to Oregon City. Bombshell tonight. A little girl vanishes from her own home, believed to be in extreme danger at this hour. Also, we discover police on the lookout for a 40-year-old white male, salt and pepper hair, one glass eye. Tonight, where is Samantha?
And also tonight, we go live to Richfield, Minnesota. A wife and mother stabs her husband to death in his own bathtub, wearing nothing but socks, after he dares to ask for a sex threesome.
Also tonight, live to Illinois suburbs, a young suburban mom of two posts two chilling Facebook messages just days before she is brutally stabbed to death. Will Mommy`s Facebook posting lead to her killer?
And to upscale Baylor (ph) suburbs, a prominent female doctor kicks in her love rival`s doggy door, breaks in, vandalizes the home, all over an alleged love triangle including the female doctor`s husband.
And then live to Dallas, a shoplifting mom flees Walmart with stolen DVDs, sweaters, shoes. She takes it all. But oops, she leaves behind her two children, ages 2 and 3.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for a missing 13-year-old Oregon girl who they believe may be in danger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t know if -- if she is with him. We don`t know if he has a place to stay.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 13-year-old had run away, left no clue where she was headed, and the family fears that she may be with this man, 40- year-old Kelsey McCune, who has been a family friend for about a decade.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that he views it as romantic?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know. I don`t know. I hope not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Samantha`s family tried to confront McCune about it. He refused to answer calls and messages.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re calling the teen in danger and asking the public to be on the lookout for both of them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Urging the public to use the #findsamatha on Twitter and Facebook to get the word out on social media.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Off the top, we go to Oregon City. A little girl vanishes from her own home, believed to be at this hour in extreme danger. Then we learn police coincidentally on the lookout for a 40-year-old white male, salt and pepper hair, bluish green eyes, one glass eye. Tonight, where is Samantha?
Straight out to Victoria Taft, radio talk show host. What happened?
VICTORIA TAFT, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, Nancy, this is what happened. One week ago today, the Dodson family of the bucolic and pioneer (ph) town of Oregon City sat down for Thanksgiving. Sitting at the table, an old family friend, Kelsey McCune, 40-year-old guy they`ve known for about 10 years.
And then fast forward to yesterday morning, when the Dodsons went to get their little girl out of bed to go to school and she was gone. And now their friend is not answering his phone, and they think he`s got her.
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord in heaven! I didn`t realize. OK, let me get this straight, Victoria Taft. You`re telling me they had the guy over for dinner, Kelsey McCune. He`s over for dinner. He`s sitting at the table with the family. So you`ve got Mommy, Daddy, little girl and family friend. They`re all having dinner.
She goes to bed as normal that night. She`s just a little girl. And they go get her for school the next morning, and she`s not there. Is that the scenario?
TAFT: Basically, yes, just a few days between the time at which they had him over for Thanksgiving and yesterday morning, where they went to (INAUDIBLE) their daughter missing from her bed.
And it`s even worse, Nancy. It`s nice enough to invite a friend over, but this guy, Mr. McCune, was down on his luck, didn`t have a job, was homeless, and they invited this man to share their table, not their daughter.
GRACE: Everybody, take a look at this little girl. Take a look. You are seeing Samantha Dodson. She`s only 5-4, about 120 pounds, brown eyes, slim build. She liked to put little colors in her hair. Right now, she had put some red streaks in her hair.
Police are afraid that at this hour, she is with a 40-year-old family friend -- former friend, I might add. He is no longer answering his cell phone. He refuses to respond to texts. And just a few days before the little girl goes missing, they have him over for dinner.
Take a look at Kelsey McCune. He`s 40 years old, 6 feet tall, 170 pounds, salt and pepper hair. Here`s the kicker. He`s got one glass eye - - one glass eye. I`m not sure if you`re able to tell that.
To Dr. Bill Manion. Medicine is so advanced now, when somebody has a glass eye, it moves along with the other eye. The eye muscles move it, do they not? You may not be able to even tell he`s got a glass eye.
DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): Yes. And to be honest, I was fooled one time performing an autopsy because I examined the eyes and didn`t realize until I looked in the record that there was a glass eye present. So they`re very, very well done and very, very accurate and hard to tell, absolutely.
GRACE: You know when I first read the BOLO -- be on the lookout -- for him, I thought, Oh, he`s got a glass eye, we`ll be able to spot him. Not true. Absolutely not true. They`re so advanced now, you can`t tell if someone has it or not.
To Matt Zarrell, also on the story. Matt, what do we know? Where do we think they`re headed?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, Nancy, one possibility is that -- the FBI also has joined in the investigation, as well as SWAT crews are searching. They think that they might be camping out somewhere because this guy was going to a couple friends` houses in the area recently.
Also, Nancy, very importantly, the family believes that Samantha and McCune had been communicating in secret, without anybody knowing, through e-mail. Apparently, McCune is very tech-savvy, was helping her with fixing her computer, and they started to communicate via e-mail back and forth.
Police also confirmed to us that they believe that Samantha may have deleted some messages on her phone and does not have her phone with her. Her phone was left at home.
GRACE: OK, that`s a problem.
What about triangulation, Victoria Taft, joining me, radio talk show host? Victoria, what about triangulating his phone? Are police able to pick up?
TAFT: Absolutely, they could. We remember that in the wilderness of southern Oregon sometime back, there was a family that was stuck in the snow. And in came all the techies, who were able to triangulate where the beeps were from (INAUDIBLE) the rest of the family made it out, but he did not. But they were able to determine in what part of this huge wilderness these people were.
Now, he`s not answering his phone, but that doesn`t mean that he`s not emitting a signal that may be picked up. So that, in fact, will be helpful. Clackamas County, by the way, is very savvy on the issue of child predators and sexual perversions by adults against children.
Then in addition, this is what really frightens me, Nancy. It is 20 degrees outside at night. They are in the wilderness, possibly. They may go to a campsite that maybe he has frequented because, presumably, since he doesn`t have a home, they`ve immediately jumped to the conclusion that they`re in a campsite. (INAUDIBLE) they are in the shadow of Mt. Hood, the 11,000-foot peak, and this is wilderness.
GRACE: Whoa! OK, so there`s a chance that he is going to be in an RV camp, at a KOI (sic), Campers -- KOA, Campers of America Camp. He could be taking her literally near Mt. Hood, where he thinks he won`t be seen.
Everybody, take a look at this guy. This guy is Kelsey McCune. He`s 40 years old, 6 foot, 170 pounds, salt, pepper hair. He`s either has green or blue eyes. I can`t make it out. One of them is a glass eye. He has got little Samantha Dodson with him, according to police. She`s 5-4. She`s about 115 pounds. She`s got brown eyes and a very slim build. She recently put some little streaks in her hair of the spray-on red stuff. So she`s got some little red streaks in her hair. Police convinced she is in danger tonight.
Here`s the kicker. He`s a family friend. They just had him over for dinner.
To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers." Bethany, every time I hear it, I can`t believe it. They just had the guy over for dinner, and now he`s kidnapped their daughter and probably sexually abusing her right now? But the statistics are that it`s always somebody you know, somebody your family knows, somebody you`re connected to. Why is it always so shocking every time? It`s a family friend.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, the reason it`s shocking is that the predator moves in on the family and grooms the entire family in order to gain proximity to the victim.
And then when you think of pedophilia, where there`s more than five years` age difference between the perpetrator and the victim, often the victim is prepubescent. The perpetrator is often very compulsive, so once he gets control of the victim, there`s going to be frequent sex acts against the victim.
The fact that it`s 20 degrees out -- do you think he`s really going to put a coat on this little girl, feed her, take care of her properly? The likelihood is that he may even commit homicide so that she cannot testify against him at some point.
I think this was a colossal failure on the part of the parents to protect this child. I`m sorry, I don`t want to pile on, but parents have to be very cognizant that children should have -- computers should be in a public area of the house, with the screen facing outward so perpetrators cannot get ahold of these children. No child should be -- no adult should be more interested in your child than you.
And yes, there are many perpetrators in our society. Don`t think because it`s your priest, your pastor, your banker your colleague at work, that that person could not have perverse thoughts towards your child. Parents really have to be on the lookout.
GRACE: And unleash the lawyers, Danny Cevallos, Shireen Hormozdi. Out to you, Shireen. The reality is this. There was some banter back and forth that there had been communications or text messages between the little girl and this 40-year-old family friend.
Remember, she`s a child, around 12 years old. She cannot consent to anything. So suggesting she`s somehow responsible because she responded to his texts is outrageous.
SHIREEN HORMOZDI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No doubt, she cannot consent to any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with him. But he could have been removing her from a bad home situation. We just don`t know at this point.
GRACE: OK, yes, I don`t know what you`re talking about, a bad home situation. Her parents seem to be very loving.
All right, Cevallos, let`s hear your side.
DANNY CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s not a bad theory to say that as a defense attorney, here`s someone that may have gone, a runaway, and simply because the guy is with her, did he participate in actually taking her out of the home? I would expect that`s the defense you`re going to see, but I think a jury`s going to be hostile to a 40-year-old man and a 13-year-old girl.
GRACE: Could you please put Cevallos up? You know what? You can say that again in your own words, Danny Cevallos. A jury`s going to be hostile to a 40-year-old man and a 12-year-old girl. You can say that again. Now, your theory was something like what, she`s a runaway and he happens to be with her? Did you say that?
CEVALLOS: I`m just anticipating possible defenses.
GRACE: You`re just thinking out loud?
CEVALLOS: Yes.
GRACE: Yes. OK.
CEVALLOS: I`m just riffing right now, seeing what he could possibly come up with because he`s going to be -- he`s going to have a lot to answer for when they do find him. And the reality is, with the technology today, it is virtually impossible to simply vanish. He will surface. He will show up.
GRACE: Let me remind you Elizabeth Smart was gone for years before they found her, so you can vanish.
Everybody, I want you to see this guy again, Kelsey McCune, age 40, 6 feet, 170 pounds, salt, pepper hair, one glass eye. Samantha Dodson, 5-4, 120 pounds, brown eyes, slim build, a few red streaks in her hair. There is a tip line, 503-723-4949.
Plus, when we come back, a wife and mother stabs her husband to death in the bathtub wearing nothing but his socks. Why? Because he dared to ask for a threesome.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: And tonight, outrage! We go to Richfield, Minnesota. A wife and mother stabs her husband to death in his own bathtub. He`s wearing nothing but his socks. It all went down after he dared to ask her for a sex threesome.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cops say a Minnesota woman stabbed her husband in the heart because he wanted to bring another woman into their bedroom. When cops arrived on the scene, the wife came out of the house screaming hysterically with blood on her hands.
Cops went inside the home and discovered the body of the husband inside the bathtub. He had approximately 30 cuts or stab wounds, including one that cut his heart. The husband was pronounced dead on the scene, while the wife was taken to the hospital with a cut on her hand. The wife later allegedly told cops she stabbed her husband in the chest and in the back because he wanted to bring another woman into their bedroom.
The wife now behind bars, charged with second degree murder, faces decades behind bars if convicted.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, so let me get this straight. The defense is going to be the husband asks for a sex threesome? Instead of just saying no, she stabs him to death while he`s in nothing but his socks in the bathtub? Oh, yes, that`ll work.
OK, out to you, Jill Ryan, news anchor with KTAR, joining me out of Phoenix. Jill, what happened?
JILL RYAN, NEWSTALK 92.3 KTAR (via telephone): Well, you know, there are three different stories. This wife changed her story to police, and she changed her story to the authorities three different times. So we don`t really know exactly what happened. We just know what the end result is, Nancy.
They show up at the house. They find a woman screaming frantically in a foreign language. She`s covered in blood. So the police go to the front of the house, they look down a hallway, see a little boy peeking around the doorway, get him and his little sister out, and follow a trail of blood through the master bedroom into the bathroom. That`s where they find the husband`s body in the bathtub. And the water is still running. There`s blood everywhere. And two knives.
GRACE: Everybody, joining me, Jill Ryan from KTAR joining me out of Phoenix. Habibi Tesema and Amreya Shefa -- what a story. According to police, she stabs her husband to death in the bathtub wearing nothing but his socks after he dares to ask her for a threesome.
Out to Matt Zarrell. What more do we know about the story?
ZARRELL: Well, one thing that I can tell you is that while the husband was pronounced dead, the wife had a cut on her hand. She was taken to the hospital. And at first, when she spoke to the hospital employees, she stated that her husband was bleeding but did not know why it happened.
Then when the cops questioned her, then she started to say that it was an accident and then later talked about how the husband wanted to have this threesome, bring another woman into the bed, and she got angry and stabbed him about 30 times.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rowling was found stabbed to death in her apartment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just love her (INAUDIBLE) everybody in the family hurt (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter, 25-year-old Michelle Rowling, is gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What about her kids? What about her family and friends? (INAUDIBLE) Now my baby gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are looking for 25-year-old Montrell Cooper in connection with her murder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You (ph) see her walking around. I just want to know why did he do it, why he just didn`t leave and stay away?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say Cooper and Rowling...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Off the top, we go live to the Illinois suburbs. A young suburban mother of two posts chilling Facebook messages just days before she`s actually brutally stabbed to death. Tonight, will Mommy`s Facebook posts lead to her killer?
We are live and taking your calls. Straight off the top, we go to Michael Calhoun with KMOX radio. First of all, Michael, how many children does Michelle Rowling have, and what are their ages, do you know?
MICHAEL CALHOUN, KMOX RADIO (via telephone): Michelle has two children. I`m not sure of their ages. She does have a 5-year-old daughter with her ex-boyfriend.
GRACE: OK, I knew about the 5-year-old daughter. And I have reason to believe that the other child is younger than 5. An absolute stunning beauty, this suburban mom of two, Michelle Rowling, thinks she`s happy in this relationship. She posts eerie Facebook posts, chilling Facebook posts, and then within days, she`s dead, brutally stabbed to death.
Justin Freiman, also on the story, what were the posts? Tell me the gist of the posts.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, these posts are chilling. She posted, "So if anything happens to me tonight, just let my kids know I love them dearly and tell Momma that I love her." And this -- just days later, she`s dead.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. With me, Danny Cevallos, defense attorney, joining me out of New York, also CNN legal analyst, with me also, Shireen Hormozdi, defense attorney, veteran trial lawyer..
All right, first to you, Shireen. Don`t start telling me that this is not going to be admissible at court because somebody`s going to say, Oh, it`s hearsay, she`s dead, her posts cannot come into evidence.
But let me counter you right now that is and could be construed as a dying declaration, which is an exception to the hearsay rule. I think whenever who did this goes to trial, these Facebook posts are going to come in. She knew she was about to die and she knew who was going to do it.
HORMOZDI: They likely could be admissible under the dying declaration exception. But there`s a five-day delay between the Facebook posts and the killing, giving time for an intervening cause besides the ex-boyfriend or who else they`re charging.
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) legal terms around. Are you trying to say it was five days later before she was dead, so anybody could have done it? Is that what you`re saying?
HORMOZDI: A lot can happen in five days.
GRACE: That`s true.
Out to the lines. Carla, in Georgia. Hi, Carla. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy, I want to know, why wasn`t she notified of his release?
GRACE: You know, that is a good question. Who she`s talking about is the ex, the ex-boyfriend. They were together for a long time. He is the father of her 5-year-old.
What`s the story on that, Justin? Isn`t it true he had already been sent to jail for attacking her, a domestic battery.
FREIMAN: Nancy, she had -- he had been sent to jail for attacking her twice. And you know what? This Facebook post went up on the day that he was being released.
GRACE: Everybody, you are taking a look at Montrell Cooper, the ex- boyfriend of the Facebook mom. In a chilling turn of events, this young mother of two puts eerie Facebook posts on line, and then just a few days later, she, in fact, is brutally stabbed to death.
Out to the lines. April in California. Hi, April. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. First let me tell you, how much I admire you and all that you do for the victims.
GRACE: Thank you. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Second of all, my question is, what are we going to do as a nation? When are we going to stop all this violence against women, when, in fact, she knew that he was coming for her? Cops can`t do anything unless there`s a threat or some sort of bodily harm then, you know...
GRACE: Well, you know what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... coming your way.
GRACE: You`re about to get me all cranked up, April, because let me tell you what I think. I think the ex-boyfriend did this murder, number one. When you don`t know a horse, April, look at his track record.
Justin, isn`t it true that she was going into the courthouse -- I believe it was the courthouse -- and her neck was gushing blood on another occasion? And she said, He did it. He went to jail for that, and then amazingly, after stabbing her before, he gets out in one year, Justin? Is that true?
FREIMAN: That is true. One year later, he got out because she did not cooperate.
GRACE: No, no! No, no! No, Justin! That`s impossible. If he went in jail for a year on a conviction, she had already cooperated. That means he was convicted. That`s my understanding of the law. He got out because a judge let him out.
Out to you, Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers" joining me out of LA. You know, Bethany, when I hear those words, She didn`t cooperate, that sets me off. How many times have women been beaten, stabbed or worse because they were going to police?
MARSHALL: Well, and not only that, but in a domestic violence situation, the woman lacks boundaries. She feels that the boyfriend`s or the husband`s homicidal rage is her fault. His pathology is her fault. She gets confused. She feels guilty. And then she feels that she has to defend the perpetrator.
And so because of this, these domestic violence victims are often afraid to testify against their husbands, partners or lovers in court. My understanding is that she did refuse to testify. He was sentenced for a year. My guess is that when he was incarcerated during that time, she built up her social support network, she separated from him, she got stronger, and then she knew that when he was released from jail that he would come and get her. He would take her down. And as is the case often with most domestic violence victims, she predicted her own demise.
GRACE: To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining me tonight out of Philadelphia.
Dr. Manion, you and I have both seen domestic cases as they are called generically and in murder so many times. I have a feeling this mom knew he was going to come after her, that he was going to get out of jail and he was going to come after her, and she was sitting there like a sitting duck, helpless to do anything about it, except put a post on Facebook.
DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, I agree, and a person that has that much rage built up into them, it`s just unfortunate she could not have obtained some restraining order or something to get some safety from him. But this often happens, people go insane over these domestic violence issues.
And that`s why in many states, somebody is going to be arrested. If the police come to a domestic violence scene, somebody`s going to jail. And that -- hopefully you stop instant cases of death but here they couldn`t stop this one.
GRACE: Out to Michael Calhoun, KMOX, joining us.
Michael, again, thank you for being with us.
For those of you just joining us, a mother of two goes on Facebook and posts chilling messages, basically foretelling her own death. In a few days, she was dead, stabbed to death.
To Michael Calhoun, KMOX, how did police discover her body?
MICHAEL CALHOUN, REPORTER, KMOX: Well, it was various strange kind of series of events actually. Montrell Cooper left her house, police say, after allegedly stabbing her so many times. He went to his sister`s house, and while talking to her, she kind of put two and two together and called their mother who then became very concerned and actually went to go over to Michelle Welling`s house and she called police as she was on her way.
They met her at the house and when police got inside, they found the body. So it was actually the suspect`s mother and sister who saw something suspicious.
GRACE: So his own family turned him in.
Let me ask you this specifically, Michael Calhoun. Why was he in jail? What was he in jail for at the time he was released?
CALHOUN: Well. he spent that year in jail for the stabbing, the previous stabbing. He was released and then assaulted her again, and was in jail for that and had just been released on the assault charge when this Facebook post went up.
GRACE: To Danny Cevallos, defense attorney joining me out of New York.
OK, Cevallos, what`s your defense?
DANNY CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I mean, if they have evidence of the actual -- the doer, but I have to go back to you, what you think is your linchpin of evidence, Nancy. The dying declaration. The dying declaration has to go to the actual cause of death.
It doesn`t go to someone expressing a vague concern for their safety. That is not a hearsay exception. It may come in under another exception. But you`re dying declaration presumes that he was the doer and that has not been established yet.
GRACE: Can I ask you a question, Danny?
CEVALLOS: You just did. Sure.
GRACE: Have you ever tried a murder case where a dying declaration was allowed or disallowed?
CEVALLOS: Let me think. I`ve got to go through my docket in my head. But what is your point, Nancy?
GRACE: First, I`d like the answer to that.
CEVALLOS: No, I`ve never had it come up in a murder case.
GRACE: OK. Well, let me advise you that especially in domestic cases, very often women fear for their lives or their children`s lives, and they tell people. And in a majority of states, that type of foretelling is allowed in court. Even though the statement was made --
CEVALLOS: Maybe.
GRACE: -- several days before the death, and I first learned about it when I was trying a murder case. And --
CEVALLOS: Does it identify the doer? It doesn`t identify the doer?
GRACE: And as I was saying, the victim in that case told her best friend, a fellow piano teacher, if they find me -- if I`m ever -- I know what it was, if I`m ever afraid for my life, give me a key to your house, so I`ll have a place to go.
Those words, came into court. So I mean, that case is neither here nor there, but in this case, this mom, isn`t it right, Justin Freiman, basically foretold her own death?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. She did. And the timing of it kind of points the finger at who could have done it.
GRACE: When we come back, to the upscale Baylor suburbs, a prominent female doctor kicks in her love rival`s doggy door, breaks in, vandalizes the woman`s home, all over an alleged love triangle. The love triangle including the female doctor`s husband.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`s a prominent ER physician in Ben Town Hospital and a professor at Baylor College of Medicine by day.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`s accused of going to the home of her husband`s co-worker, kicking in the doggy door and writing "a whore and a home wrecker" in red lipstick on the victim`s bathroom mirror.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s totally out of character.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say 42-year-old Dr. Andrea Siler-Fisher called her husband`s co-worker, Dr. Marcel Mallory, threatening to beat her.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And even texted a photo of the bedroom to the other woman. Then texted her 25 times over the next 16 hours.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Now she can add to her resume, criminal trespass and harassment charges.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ll be the most sane in this neighborhood that I know. She`s an extraordinary doctor from what I know. Great wife and mother. I know that it`s totally out of character. Most people`s reactions would be a lot bigger than that one. I thought that that other woman got off easy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What? A female medical doctor kicks in her love rival`s doggy door, breaks into the home, vandalizes the home, because she foresees a love triangle with that female doctor and her husband? P.S., they`re all three doctors?
You know, I`ve got to hear this whole thing because, frankly, I think if there was a love triangle, if this female doctor was having an affair with her husband, she better be glad all she got kicked in was her doggy door, all right?
Michael Board, WOAI, what happened?
MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Nancy, I always find it amazing when --
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, is that the man? Whoa, somebody --
BOARD: Yes.
GRACE: Clark, is that the guy right there? She kicked in a doggy door over him?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes.
GRACE: Oh, honey you could do so much better than that. I don`t care if he`s a doctor, please.
OK. Michael Board, she`s going to have a criminal history over him? She should have -- she should have handed him over to the other woman COD. Leave him on her doorstep.
OK, now, tell me what happened.
BOARD: Yes, you`re talking about criminal charges. We`re talking about trespassing, harassment. She`s bonded out on $2,000.
But, Nancy, this whole thing was caught on video and this is all going to be showed to a jury so you know she`s going to have a criminal history after this.
She found out her husband was cheating on her. Instead of dealing with that husband, she went to the other woman`s house, kicked in the doggy door, started going through the house just trashing that house.
Luckily, Nancy, that other woman, she got a head`s up, she got out of the house with her kids. You can only imagine what would have happened if she was still in the house because --
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back it up, Board. Back it up. So are you telling me that this woman, the doctor, Dr. Angela Siler-Fisher, she`s the one that breaks in the doggy door, right?
BOARD: Yes.
GRACE: All right. Siler-Fisher breaks in the doggy door of Marcel Mallory, another female doctor, right?
BOARD: Yes.
GRACE: OK, and it`s all over Siler-Fisher`s husband? Now is Marcel Mallory, she has children?
BOARD: Yes, she has children and she got a head`s up that Dr. Siler-Fisher --
GRACE: Whoa. She`s got children and she`s cheating with a married man? That`s the allegation?
BOARD: That`s the allegation.
GRACE: Is Marcel Mallory -- is that Dr. Marcel Mallory? Is she married too?
BOARD: I`m not quite sure about that, but I`m sure this is all growing to come out --
GRACE: Get it together, Board. Get it together.
Clark, look it up online for me. Is Dr. Marcel Mallory married? That`s what I want to know. She`s got children.
OK. Back to the story, Michael Board, WOAI. Go ahead.
BOARD: So she kicks in the doggy door. She starts going through the house. She uses lipstick to write on the mirror in the bathroom. She writes "whore" and --
GRACE: Boo-hoo. They can clean that up with Windex. Go ahead.
BOARD: That`s still -- that`s still trespassing because she`s on the property without permission. So that`s --
GRACE: Oh, really? Really?
BOARD: Yes.
GRACE: Well, according to Siler-Fisher, Marcel Mallory was on her property without permission. That being her husband. OK? Now go ahead.
BOARD: After she went -- she left the house, she started sending harassing text messages to this other woman. She threatened to dislocate her vagina. How`s that for a doctor phrase?
GRACE: Well, I`ve never actually heard of that. I didn`t know that that was medically possible, to dislocate your vagina? OK. Let me think about that for a moment. Go ahead.
(CROSSTALK)
BOARD: I`m laughing to proper parts to identify with that either. But she was arrested, she`s now bailed out of jail, $2,000 bail, and she`s going to stand trial on these charges.
GRACE: All right. Unleash the lawyers, Danny Cevallos, Shireen Hormozdi, but first to Dr. Bethany Marshall.
Look, I want to hear what you have to say on this, Bethany. Hold on with the lawyers. Cevallos and Hormozdi. I know what they`re going to say. They`re going to start defending the doctor. And that`s OK. But I want to hear what you think.
I don`t know, when you`re courting somebody`s husband and the worst thing that happens is you get your doggy door beat in and somebody writes in lipstick on your mirror, I mean, aren`t you assuming the risk when you carry on a sex affair with somebody`s husband?
MARSHALL: I wonder how the doctor got through the doggy door, that`s what I was curious about. But, you know what, Nancy, this reminds me of Lisa Nowack, the female astronaut, remember?
GRACE: Yes. Crazy.
MARSHALL: Who went after her love rival. She put on a pair of diapers, drove across the country. She tried to kill somebody.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: But she actually tried to kill somebody.
MARSHALL: She -- well, we don`t know what this woman was intending to do, but I think the point is --
GRACE: She was armed with some lipstick. Unless it`s lipstick taser, (INAUDIBLE), too, I`m not worried about a tube of lipstick, Bethany. You`ve got to give me something more than she wrote on my mirror.
MARSHALL: OK. OK. Stop --
GRACE: She wrote on my mirror because I had sex with her husband. You know what, I don`t think if -- a jury may not convict her because right now I`m a little bit on her side.
MARSHALL: OK. So it`s lipstick, and that`s fairly benign. However with some of these women who have this sophistication, the education, the appearance of being normal in society, that becomes a thin veneer over a very fragile personality, and when they crack, they really, really crack.
GRACE: Fragile personality? She finds out her husband`s been sleeping with another doctor. All I have to say is the other woman better be glad it was just her doggy door that got kicked in. That`s where I stand on this one.
Everybody, when we come back, shoplifting mom flees Walmart with stolen DVDs, sweaters, shoes, everything, but oops, she leaves behind her two children, ages 2 and 3.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A Texas mom allegedly did some holiday shopping at Walmart and tried to walk out of the store with DVDs, sweater, shoes, cups, cans of coffee and a hair brush. Only she forgot to pay. Mom was about to be busted for shoplifting goods and that`s not all. She also allegedly forgets her children and drives off. Police say the children ages 2 and 3 were left behind.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Everybody, we are going live to Dallas, the shoplifting mom. She flees Walmart with stolen DVDs, sweaters, shoes, the works. But oops, she leaves behind her two children, ages 2 and 3.
Out to you, Justin Freiman. Tell me what happened.
FREIMAN: This Texas mom goes into the Walmart. She starts loading her card up with a bunch of items, movies, cans of Starbucks coffee --
GRACE: Whoa, wait a minute. I like the mugshot. I`ll close my eyes and pretend it`s not happening.
OK. Go ahead.
FREIMAN: Right. Or maybe she was trying to remember something, because obviously not only did she forget to pay for the items --
GRACE: Her chidlren.
FREIMAN: -- she forgot her kids as she`s running away from the store, as they`re about to bust her for shoplifting.
GRACE: So how did they find the children, Justin?
FREIMAN: Well, she leaves the children behind in the cart with some of the items that she was leaving the store without paying for. Gets in her car then drives off.
GRACE: So how did they find the children?
She leaves the children behind in the cart with some of the items that she was leaving the store without paying for. Getting in her car and drives off.
GRACE: All right. Out to the lawyers, Cevallos and Hormozdi.
All right, Danny Cevallos, what`s your defense? Let me think, what is it black Friday insanity? She just got overcome with shopping there after Thanksgiving at the Walmart?
CEVALLOS: Well, retail theft has a lot of range, Nancy, depending on her priors or whatever the value is.
GRACE: A lot of range?
CEVALLOS: So this is a defensible case, at least as far as leaving the kids.
GRACE: Forget the DVDs. Cevallos, I don`t care about the DVDs.
CEVALLOS: Moving on.
GRACE: She can have my DVDs and my minivan right now. She could have all of them, it`s like 40 in there for the children.
CEVALLOS: So let`s talk children.
GRACE: I would be mad if she didn`t take them. I`m worried about the 2 and 3-year-old she leaves in the parking lot. That`s my problem.
CEVALLOS: So -- so in this case, it becomes a DHS case, a petition maybe to take the kids away. The argument is in the grand scheme of things, making a run, we don`t know if she was planning to come back to the children or whether she wasn`t permanently abandoning them.
GRACE: Come back.
CEVALLOS: So I think that`s going to --
GRACE: Cevallos, let me get into your personal business again. Do you have any children?
CEVALLOS: Nancy, that`s a very sad inquiry. No children, no wife, no nothing. No one`s looking for me.
GRACE: OK. I`m going to fix you up after the show, but, Danny, don`t talk about, is she coming back for them.
(INAUDIBLE), do you have children?
SHIREEN HORMOZDI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I don`t.
GRACE: OK. All right, guys.
(CROSSTALK)
HORMOZDI: But don`t fix me with Cevallos.
GRACE: I`m totally striking out here. But let me tell the two of you.
Freiman, you`ve got children now.
FREIMAN: That`s right.
GRACE: OK. Justin, it`s not, is she coming back for the children. The issue is, did she leave the children? Did she leave them in the parking lot where they could get run over?
FREIMAN: She did. She left them in the lot -- in the cart with the items.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: OK. Let`s see what Walmart mom did. Shoplifting mom runs, runs from Walmart. She takes with her her DVDs, her cups, sweater, hairbrush, a can of Starbucks coffee and a pair of shoes. Whoops, leaves behind her 2 and 3-year-old.
All right, Hormozdi and Cevallos are siding with shoplifting mom.
Bethany, help me out.
MARSHALL: Well, I would be wondering about other signs of abuse with these children? Were they malnourished? If you look at her home, is there food in the refrigerator? Is the house kept -- do they have proper caretakers? How is she treating these children?
I mean, this mother needs a full assessment of her parenting capabilities, and these children need to be evaluated to make sure that there are no other signs of abuse or neglect.
GRACE: You know what, Bethany, you`re right. Because if she will leave them in a parking lot so she can get some DVDs and a pair of shoes, what`s the rest of that story? That`s what I`d like to know. I agree with you, Bethany.
We remember American hero Army Specialist Keenan Cooper, just 19 years old, Wahpeton, North Dakota. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal. He loved the outdoors, archery, driving mustangs, parents David and Heather, four siblings, fiance April.
Keenan Cooper, American hero.
Dr. Drew up next, everyone. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
END
