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Top 10 NANCY GRACE Moments of 2013
Aired December 30, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Countdown! The top 10 best moments of 2013 here on our program. Tonight: She`s the convicted killer who has wild sex all day with her lover, Travis Alexander, then stabs him 29 times, slashing his throat ear to ear, all the while basking in the spotlight, smiling, mugging for reporters, sending tweets to bash me and the police, and whining incessantly about life behind bars. You guessed it. It`s Jodi Arias.
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GRACE: She`s back. Right when you thought Jodi Arias would go away, she`s back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s get something straight. When I first laid eyes on her, I said, Wow, this girl is smokin` hot!
GRACE: I take it you are not Mormon?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not Mormon.
GRACE: All right. That`s -- I`m just putting the pieces together. OK, now that we have established Jodi Arias is quote, "smoking hot" -- I disagree because when I see her, I see blood running down her wrists, OK? Thank you for establishing on the record, Mr. Simcoe (ph), that she`s smoking hot. Can we get to...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first met (INAUDIBLE) impression. I`m with you eye to eye, hindsight.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They`re going to look at what it meant, inside her head.
GRACE: Dear lord in heaven, don`t take me inside Jodi Arias`s head, all right? That`s just where I don`t want to be!
I had leftover bean soup, heated up in an old cool whip container, for supper. What about Jodi Arias?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, tonight Jodi Arias has a feast that includes soy lentils, mashed potatoes, spinach, orange, a dinner roll...
GRACE: Can you go a little slower? I want to take it all in.
ZARRELL: OK. Soy lentils, mashed potatoes, spinach, an orange, which I hope is fresh, a dinner roll, and Nancy, your favorite, a doughnut.
GRACE: She had a freakin` doughnut? All right. She slashed his ear from ear to here, and she`s kicked back with a Krispy Kreme? All right.
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: When I sort of came out of the fog, I realized, Oh, crap. Something bad had happened. And I was scared to call any authority at that point.
GRACE: Whoa! Talk about the stress. Jean, look at that cold sore on her lip! That wasn`t there yesterday. Ouch! I think that the cold sore didn`t erupt until she got in those jury questions, everybody. She is on the hot seat, and you can tell her demeanor has greatly changed. She`s fumbling. She`s twitching. She`s trying to come up with an answer.
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: So yes, it was a nightmare in this case.
GRACE: You know, the way you say that, it`s like you`re, you know, describing a Degas or a Renoir. You`re so calm in your delivery. They basically said, Eleanor, You`ve lied at every point in your life!
Have you ever had a client on the stand, does perfectly under direct, does, OK, starts to falter on cross, but then suddenly get so agitated, they`re twisting and turning, that actually a cold sore breaks out on her lip? Let`s see the cold sore, in the middle of the jury questioning, and just the more questions the jury asks, the worse it got.
PETER ODOM: Nancy, I have nerve her a client break out in a cold sore during cross-examination. That has not happened to me. I will confess. That has not happened to me.
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GRACE: I`ve had plenty of defendants on the stand break down crying, and go (INAUDIBLE) you know, when they crack.
PETER ODOM: But I will say this...
GRACE: I`ve had them try to lunge at me, but I`ve never had one break down -- break out with a cold sore. I think when she has her hair down over her -- I think she looks exactly like the "Adams Family" Cousin It.
OK, everybody, I did not ask for the photo of Cousin It. I just want you to know that.
When I look at her, again, I just can`t draw the analogy enough. She looks like Cousin It because she pulls her hair down over the front of her face and hides from the jury.
I`ve seen enough of Jodi Arias`s hair...
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GRACE: I`ve actually been asked what do I think about her hairstyle. I know it may sound as if people are nitpicking when they ask questions like that, but trust me, no detail is unplanned regarding Arias`s appearance in court. So for whatever reason, she`s been told to bring her hair back off of her face. Maybe they agreed with me that she looked like Cousin It with the hair all down like that.
RICHARD SAMUELS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Perhaps I should have readministered that test.
Perhaps I should have readministered that test.
Perhaps I should have readministered that test.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t know that, do you.
SAMUELS: No, I don`t. I`m speculating. I did investigate (INAUDIBLE) those I did not. I reviewed the report numerous times, and I must admit I missed it.
I don`t remember saying that, and if I did, I misspoke.
I have to find the page that it was on. It`s not numbered.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any problems with your memory? Because this...
SAMUELS: No, I do not have problems with my memory.
GRACE: He`s not faring very well on cross-examination. I`m talking about the defense shrink, Dick Samuels.
SAMUELS: I have to look at my notes.
I have to reread my notes. I...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you need to refer to your notes?
SAMUELS: I`d like to refer to my notes.
Not offhand. I would have to -- I`d have to refresh myself.
I don`t recall specifically. I would like to have access to some paperwork so I can refresh my memory.
GRACE: On the stand at this moment, her shrink, and he is getting carved up on cross-examination like a Thanksgiving turkey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t know that, do you.
SAMUELS: No, I don`t. I`m speculating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. Made it up right now. Speculating.
SAMUELS: No. Clinical judgment, sir!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, you just used the word speculating, didn`t you.
SAMUELS: OK. I used the word.
I`m not sure if she actually said sweater...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you did say that, right?
SAMUELS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are your words, correct?
SAMUELS: Those are my words.
Approximately, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no. That`s not what you said.
SAMUELS: Oh, I`m sorry. I didn`t realize it -- something like that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, let`s play it again so that we get it clear.
GRACE: This guy doesn`t even know what document he`s talking about! He`s saying, Oh, I thought that was what she pulled out. I guess that would still be back on my desk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t have any memory problems, do you?
SAMUELS: No.
Maybe this doesn`t -- hold on one second. I guess the -- the actual test is not here. I -- and I had everything together. Ah! Wait. Hold on.
GRACE: Ah -- ah -- hold, please. Ah...
SAMUELS: I will have to look at my notes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take it out of your folder, so that I can mark the PDS test along with the raw data.
SAMUELS: I`m sorry? Oh, OK.
I don`t have that with me here. I apologize. I`m afraid I left it home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don`t you have it with you?
SAMUELS: I must have left it on my desk.
GRACE: Do you see this, thumbing through papers? By the time you get your expert on the stand, this is supposed to be a well-oiled machine. He`s not supposed to be going, Ah, ah, ah, hold, please.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy...
GRACE: This is so bad!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I disagree with you.
SAMUELS: That is the hand-scoring sheet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why was there a 6 there present at first, and then you changed it?
SAMUELS: I added them up incorrectly.
I don`t remember. So I have to go with what I read.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you confessing or saying that you were wrong in writing that down?
SAMUELS: I don`t know. It would have been helpful to corroborate, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that wasn`t done in this case, correct?
SAMUELS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was a mistake, then.
SAMUELS: Ah -- ah -- ah...
Hold on a second.
GRACE: Ah, ah, hold, please. Ah...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don`t you have it with you?
SAMUELS: I must have left it on my desk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn`t it important to have a complete file?
SAMUELS: It`s not critical.
I did not bring that.
I didn`t see it as relevant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s not important, right?
SAMUELS: No, it`s not important. I saw that as irrelevant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn`t matter to me?
SAMUELS: It was not germane to the issue I was investigating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In other words, you`re saying it doesn`t matter to you. It`s not important.
SAMUELS: It`s not of concern to me. I did not see the need to pursue it any further.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doesn`t matter to you because you`ve deemed that it`s irrelevant.
SAMUELS: ... I did not see as being relevant. I ignored it.
I didn`t see it as being relevant.
That wasn`t as important to me. The facts date (ph) on there is irrelevant.
It`s not critical.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn`t it important to corroborate things?
SAMUELS: It would have been helpful to corroborate, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And would that have been important to you?
SAMUELS: Not to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does it matter?
SAMUELS: Not to me. And even now, it`s not -- it`s not important.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was it important to you?
SAMUELS: It wasn`t important. Details and dates aren`t quite as important.
It doesn`t affect me that much.
That wasn`t as important to me.
DANNY CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You can`t prepare your expert witness completely for every question...
GRACE: Mr. Cevallos...
CEVALLOS: ... that`s going to come out of the blue, Nancy.
GRACE: Has your urologist ever sent you a greeting card? Yes/no?
CEVALLOS: I should probably not answer that one, Nancy.
GRACE: Is that a no or a...
CEVALLOS: That is a no. I will -- I will admit that.
GRACE: All right, that -- that -- no need to explain.
SAMUELS: That`s what it says. And what are you reading from, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, I ask the questions. Do you understand that?
SAMUELS: I was comparing her diagnostic...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes or no.
SAMUELS: Could you repeat your question, please?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That does not fit the diagnosis for PTSD or post- traumatic stress disorder, right?
SAMUELS: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have anything else.
SAMUELS: No -- oh, shoot!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go ahead and clean up, please.
SAMUELS: Sorry about that. I was doing so well.
GRACE: He spilled water twice and burped.
SAMUELS: Post -- oh, excuse me.
Oh, excuse me.
No -- oh, shoot!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go ahead and clean up, please.
SAMUELS: Sorry about that. I was doing so well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... to see -- to see the results of?
SAMUELS: Yes, ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ll give you a second. You`re not the first one.
SAMUELS: (INAUDIBLE) test.
GRACE: What can you tell me about the defense`s star witness, LaViolette?
ZARRELL: She has one speech where she questions whether Snow White was a battered woman.
GRACE: Stop. Stop. Whether Snow White was battered woman? Are you referring to the three little pigs?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am! I absolutely...
GRACE: Oh, OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t really come on national TV and call them the dwarfs. So I`m doing the best I can, Nancy.
GRACE: Jason...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and he needs to back off.
GRACE: Let`s examine why you think Martinez is the bad guy for cross- examining LaViolette after she compares beaten women -- faces mangled, their arms broken, sometimes their legs broken, cigarette burns on their arms -- she compares them to Snow White, the Disney princess. Yes, I got a problem with that, too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has a case for all, except maybe some minor charges...
GRACE: That`s a complete crock.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... for being convicted. Well, I don`t think it`s a crock. And if you look at his statements about him calling her a "ho" and him calling her a slut and him calling her a "three-holed wonder," that reveals something about who he is, and that needs to come to the jury`s attention.
GRACE: Oh, right. He deserves the death penalty. Right. He slings a few nasty names, so she gets to slash him from ear to ear. You know, I thought I was in America!
Her shrink, psychologist Dr. Dick Samuels, a psychologist, has taken center stage. He is claiming to this jury with a straight face that his client, Jodi Arias, suffered transient global amnesia -- temporary, just a block of amnesia -- that was just that one day, that one moment when she murdered Travis Alexander, 29 stab wounds and a gunshot wound to her lover.
SAMUELS: Perpetrators of horrible crimes can also develop post- traumatic stress disorder for having acted as the source of the crime. For example, soldiers -- our soldiers in Afghanistan, report post-traumatic stress disorder because they were involved in the killing of the enemy, police officers, people that I`ve treated, who shoot a victim...
GRACE: He just compared Jodi Arias to the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan. Did you hear that? Dick Samuels, who claims that Jodi Arias now has transient global amnesia -- 3 out of 100,000 people claim to have had it. It can be brought on by sex or submersion in water? What? He compared Jodi Arias to the fallen soldiers, the U.S. American heroes fallen in Afghanistan? He compared her to them and their post-traumatic stress syndrome? I can`t wait to see Juan Martinez tear him up on cross- examination!
It`s not a secret to anybody that Jodi Arias has been taking to Twitter at night when she goes home to jail. She`s attacking not only Martinez and the state, but me, as well. Let`s see some of her tweets. "Nancy disgrace (ph) has set back the cause of all women who survive domestic violence. Her circus makes a mockery of something very serious." I guess that would be your murder trial, Jodi Arias, something -- comparing her to American heroes that gave their lives for me, for us in Afghanistan? I think that was just wrong.
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GRACE: Back to the top 10 best moments.
The facelift murder trial. After a 6-year-old little girl comes home to find Mommy dead in the bathtub and Daddy`s mistress is revealed, Dr. Martin MacNeill guilty in the drowning death of his own wife. Taking center stage at trial, MacNeill`s defense and his mistress, Gypsy Willis.
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GRACE: Now, she`s staring in those phone records. It`s taking her a long time to take them in. Do you think that maybe, just for the first time she meets the jury, she could have worn a shirt that covered up her breasts? I`m just putting it out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, it`s just -- it`s hard to, hard to imagine, Nancy, that she did not try to put on business attire. And look, you know, I think you`re right...
GRACE: I mean, do I need to see cleavage?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Despite not being officially married, you still held yourself out at Jillian (ph) MacNeill?
GYPSY WILLIS, MACNEILL`S LOVER: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The wife of the defendant?
WILLIS: Yes.
GRACE: A 4-and-a-half carat diamond ring -- that`s what Christina Aquilera, Jennifer Garner, Jessica Alba has. Yet she`s saying she doesn`t know if they`re serious? Hello? They`ve already consulted an astrologer to find out a good astronomical wedding date, all right? She`s not even cold in the grave yet.
I`m glad she took our advice and at least, you know, wore a dress that I didn`t have to look down on her cleavage the whole testimony. That`s a relief.
When you`re in front of a jury, number one, the hair hanging down -- you know, I`m sure she`s a fine lawyer, but that`s got to go. That`s bothering me, and I`m just, you know, watching, much less the jury.
And the other thing, she practically gets up and sits in MacNeill`s lap! I mean, she`s all up under (ph) him. That`s not a good look for a guy that`s, like, running around on his wife with one woman after the next. I mean, and within hours, he cleans out her closet so he can make room for the new girlfriend`s clothes. And sure enough, she moves in to be the live-in nanny.
Oh! Could they possibly get any closer? OK. That`s a whole `nother can of worms.
These phone calls and texts, if they`ve got records off, can show really when the relationship starts because you don`t call a friend 20 times a day, all right? And then we can see the frequency mount around the time of death.
You see Gypsy Willis on the stand. I mean, what does she have that`s so great? And this is -- this is for real. I don`t get it. He`s got a -- a little beauty queen at home. What`s he doing with her? I guess it`s true, you always cheat down.
She is sending him nude or seminude photos, and this is around the time of his wife`s death, OK, in the days of her death. And I mean -- you know, for instance, on my wedding day, I don`t want some man sending me racy photos of himself, or the day of a funeral of anyone.
But did he reject those texts? No, he did not. He wanted more. Why isn`t the judge letting the jury see what communications were going on? She says, Oh, I was just lying on a pillow. I bet she was lying on a pillow! I bet she was lying on a pillow with a g-string and a push-up bra, that`s what I bet, at best!
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GRACE: Countdown tonight, the top 10 best moments on our program for 2013.
It was just eight days after a storybook wedding, the bride, Jordan Graham, shoves her husband, Cody Johnson, off a cliff at Glacier park. Why? Because she allegedly regrets getting married. After just eight days? Next, the killer bride.
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GRACE: I hope you`re sitting down. The bride walks free from jail, claiming her groom`s death, plunging face-first off a cliff at Glacier National Park, is an accident. Repeat. The bride walks free.
And now we learn the big fight, the reason she was having regrets was over sex? You`re kidding, John King (ph), KGBO. They`ve only been married eight days and they`re already arguing about sex?
JOHN KING, KGBO (via telephone): There were statements during the trial from friends that had spoken to Jordan that he had asked for it every night. But I heard her final testimony. She didn`t bring up that the discussion was specifically about sex.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa!
KING: It was more about...
GRACE: Are you saying Cody Johnson, age 25, asked his bride of eight days for sex every night? Is that what I just heard?
KING: That`s not specifically the quote, but it`s along those lines.
GRACE: OK, he`s 25 years old. Of course he wants sex every night! He probably wants sex every hour, OK? I give him credit for asking for sex just once a night, for Pete`s sake! So she kills him? She regrets the marriage and she kills him? What about saying, yes, no, I`ve got a headache, or go away, or I`m not your sex slave, or Let`s huddle. You know, that might work.
She has a gull to text and play -- I don`t know. Maybe she`s playing Minesweepers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot of evidence...
GRACE: She was on her phone playing, and everyone saw her during her husband`s funeral.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her biggest problem, the biggest evidentiary problem she has isn`t that she was texting at the funeral.
GRACE: I didn`t say it was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was the statements -- it was the statements that she gave to the police that are going to bury her.
GRACE: Why don`t you just admit it looks bad? Why can`t you just tell the truth? It looks bad!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It certainly -- it certainly is not according to script. I`ll give you that, Nancy.
GRACE: Come on. It looks bad!
The bride, the grieving bride, the widow is texting and what, playing Minesweeper during the funeral.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He ended up there because...
GRACE: Minesweeper. Minesweeper.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... because he wanted to go there!
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GRACE: More top 10 best moments of 2013.
The captain of neighborhood watch, George Zimmerman, guns down 17- year-old Trayvon Martin, then Zimmerman walks free in a stunning not guilty verdict. Since then, Zimmerman just can`t stay out of trouble -- multiple traffic stops, domestic arrests.
As Zimmerman just keeps on walking free, nobody willing to press charges, I take on Zimmerman`s so-called spokesperson and friend, Frank Taaffe.
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GRACE: Also with me tonight, spokesperson and friend of George Zimmerman, the illustrious Frank Taaffe.
FRANK TAAFFE, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: If murder two is off the plate, guess what`s right behind coming off the plate? Manslaughter. They -- they...
GRACE: You know what?
TAAFFE: If self-defense -- if self-defense is in murder 2...
GRACE: Why don`t you just...
TAAFFE: ... it`s going to roll into...
GRACE: ... pull out your ouija board, Taaffe, and tell me what`s going to happen! Because you`re not telling me where you`re getting this zany five-to-one thing. I think you`ve got a ouija board there in your pants and you`re going to pull that out. You`re using a ouija board to figure out what`s going to happen with George next?
TAAFFE: No, Nancy. If you remember back in July --
GRACE: No. You said that. That`s what you told us this afternoon.
TAAFFE: No. I -- you said to me.
GRACE: Yes.
TAAFFE: Taaffe, what do you got down your pants, an Ouija board? And in this season of giving, Nancy, I have a gift for you, and it is -- what I`d like to present to you tonight is your own personal Ouija board. That you can use -- it`s my Christmas gift to you. That you can use --
GRACE: You know what?
TAAFFE: -- in the future to help you decide on these cases. But I went strictly on the facts and the evidence.
GRACE: Taaffe, I`ll get back to you C.O.D.
TAAFFE: You keep talking about this gun. George had a concealed weapons permit. He had a legal right to carry that weapon with him. Okay?
GRACE: Yes.
TAAFFE: And we talked about the Second Amendment. You said something about, before the Civil War, well, in the state of Florida.
GRACE: The Civil War? What in the hay -- okay.
TAAFFE: You said --
GRACE: Mr. Taaffe, it was the --
TAAFFE: -- something about the Civil War before.
GRACE: It was the Revolutionary War when Brits were bursting into people`s homes.
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GRACE: I appreciate you trying to recite history--
TAAFFE: -- when he saw Trayvon on drugs. He said he`s on drugs, and they found THC in his system. Did they not? He said this guy looks suspicious and he`s on drugs. What did they find in his system? Found THC.
GRACE: Mr. Taaffe, I help you had a chance to calm down and address the issues that we`re talking about.
TAAFFE: I`m chilled out. There`s no THC in my system. I`m chilled out.
Well, No. 1, Arias and Gacy were convicted murderers. George was not. He was acquitted. Okay? No. 2---
GRACE: No. 1, both of them killed somebody, and, No. 2, so did your buddy George Zimmerman.
TAAFFE: He was acquitted, okay?
GRACE: He still killed him. He killed Trayvon Martin. An unarmed boy. Headed home to his father`s house.
TAAFFE: But a jury acquitted him. Found him not guilty.
GRACE: Hey, that`s the jury`s problem, not mine.
I know what you`re doing, Taaffe.
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GRACE: -- focus off George Zimmerman. She`s the bad one. Did you have a Cal Tech long gun in the delivery room when she gave birth?
TAAFFE: He was a legal concealed weapons permit carrier. Okay?
GRACE: A legal concealed weapons carrier? Did you just say that? A legal concealed weapons carrier?
TAAFFE: He had a -- he had a permit.
GRACE: I don`t care. I don`t care.
TAAFFE: He had a permit to carry that weapon.
GRACE: And Jeffrey Dahmer had a legal right to --
TAAFFE: Just like --
GRACE: -- have knives and a boiling pot. It doesn`t mean it`s okay.
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TAAFFE: I think Cory needs to pack up the circus and move the tents back to Jacksonville, while she can.
GRACE: No offense, sir, but I`d appreciate it if you would speak when you`re spoken to. Back to our two guests, Frank Taaffe, friend of George Zimmerman and Daryl Parks, attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. Gentlemen, it`s like herding cats with you, two.
TAAFFE: I want to answer your question, if he fell down on the sidewalk. If that was true, he would have had abrasions on the inside of his hands.
GRACE: I didn`t say fall down on the sidewalk.
TAAFFE: Maybe you did. I think you did before.
GRACE: No. In the call she`s frantic, claiming Zimmerman that a gun. She`s afraid he`s already accosted her father, and lo and behold, as I`m sitting here, I hear in my ear that Zimmerman`s defense is that his wife was the aggressor. Wow. This sounds familiar. What`s he going to do, Taaffe? Claim stand your ground again?
TAAFFE: No one`s looking for artistic value. Okay? Like I said, this is not going to be hanging in the Louvre in Paris. No. 2, have you been on eBay?
GRACE: Did you say the Louvre? Did you actually just say the Louvre?
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GRACE: Cut his mike. I still hear him. Did you just say the Louvre? I can`t see him. I`d like to see him. All I can see is a mugshot of George Zimmerman. Let`s see Frank Taaffe, the person that`s speaking right now. Did you actually just say the Louvre? Are you referring to the Louvre?
TAAFFE: I said the Louvre.
GRACE: Okay. He`s referring to a museum, a renowned art museum in France, please go ahead.
How did her father get a bloody nose?
TAAFFE: We`ll have to find out the facts and the evidence in the case. Won`t we? And as of this moment, we only know her version.
GRACE: Okay. So it`s either her father punched himself in the nose. She punched her father in the nose to set up George Zimmerman, or George Zimmerman punched him in the nose. So what do you think, Taaffe? There`s only three people there, and one has a bloody nose.
TAAFFE: Well, there`s her side, his side and the truth, and I believe that the truth will come out that, you know, she made it up.
GRACE: You know what?
TAAFFE: It`s all contrived.
GRACE: You just can`t stand it. Can you? That your man, George Zimmerman, has done it again. If you were all about the DSM, like you had been, like taking some correspondence course in psychology, psychiatry, you know all about the diagnostic manual, you were putting DSM-4, but --
TAAFFE: No. 5.
GRACE: This afternoon you tell me that -- no.
TAAFFE: No. You were corrected, I could pull the transcript. You were quoting 4, now it`s 5.
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TAAFFE: This man -- this man has every right to earn a living.
GRACE: Answer me, Taaffe.
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GRACE: Are you saying Trayvon Martin is making a profit off his own murder?
TAAFFE: Yes. Have you seen the -- have you been to the Trayvon Martin foundation?
GRACE: The boy is dead. He`s not making any money.
TAAFFE: Have you seen what the Martin family just bought in Dade County? A half million dollar home.
GRACE: It`s all the dead boy`s home. Ooh. (inaudible) he was involved in this. I don`t even know what that says.
TAAFFE: This is -- my record -- this is the scoreboard. Taaffe 2, Nancy, 0.
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GRACE: The top ten moments, 2013. It`s time to unleash the lawyers.
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GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Unleash the lawyers.
Unleash the lawyers.
Unleash the lawyers.
Unleash the lawyers. Whoo-hoo.
Unleash the lawyers. What let the -- what put him up? Did you just say let the dead bury the dead? What does that mean? That doesn`t even make sense. What are you talking about, man?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m simply saying why are you sitting here and he didn`t rescue a dead body.
GRACE: I don`t even know what that means. Yes. He knew she was dead all right. I`ll tell you how he knew. Because he put the bullet in her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot on the table. Don`t go biting off your manicure. But I agree with Daryl. The longer it takes, the better it is for the defense. Just that simple.
GRACE: Excuse me. I am a working mother of 5-year-old twins. I`ve been camped out at this courthouse since before daylight today. I don`t have time for a manicure. So don`t stereotype women now or ever. And I noticed this practically with every defendant I ever put on trial. She said the baby had got put in the oven.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
GRACE: By what? By who? Who? A little green man from Mars?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took what reasonable people would do. He shot to kill, and to make sure he killed, he used the gun four times.
GRACE: Did you just say reasonable people? That`s what reasonable people would do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So would you, Nancy.
GRACE: Reasonable people would make sure the other person in bed was not the one in there, on the commode?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep in mind, Nancy, and I love it the way you talk about the 14-year-old girl, you get that little catch in your voice, but there`s no victim here. The person on the other end of that computer was not a girl. It was a middle-aged detective.
GRACE: Peter, let`s try to not attack each other? Let`s try to focus on the case.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the fact this was not a crime.
GRACE: It doesn`t concern me at all when you try to insult me or criticize me personally.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not being insulting, Nancy. I think it`s amusing.
GRACE: Try to focus on the case.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s smoke and mirrors. They don`t have the evidence. Pure and simple.
GRACE: Every time you can`t think of something to say, you blurt out something like smoke and mirrors, and that`s supposed to answer the question. Let me tell you something, Mr. Cohen, I know what you`re doing. I`m talking about a specific question. Don`t throw cliches at me, smoke and mirrors. Why do I care if somebody else is involved.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because what if the other person involved actually did the murders and this gentleman has nothing do doing with it?
GRACE: Did you say this gentleman? Did you gentleman, 40-year-old family friend has sex -- sexual feelings for a 16-year-old girl, a friend of the family, Heather Hansen? A gentleman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy, you`re assuming the person who said that feeling was there is true. There is a lot of assumptions are being made. As you said earlier, everything is fluid right now. We don`t have --
GRACE: Show me the burning home. The burning home. Should I believe you, Heather Hansen, or my lying eyes? I see the home burning. They`ve taken out a dead body.
Maybe, but here the fact a child will not take off their coat, that`s like saying, you have on a gold earring. Boom. And I shoot you with my Uzi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: actually, it`s not at all like that, Nancy.
GRACE: Yes, it is, because the child not taking off her coat is not - -
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
GRACE: Provocation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course it`s --
GRACE: That`s not provocation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But murder is intent to kill. Manslaughter is recklessly killing without the intent.
GRACE: No, it`s not. Murder is intent to do the act. For instance, if I hold a gun up to your head.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. That`s murder.
GRACE: I go, oh, my stars. I only meant to scare you, Rehme. How in the world are you dead? No. I hold up the gun and pull the trigger. That is the intent the law looks for.
Are you trying to tell me, Peter, that you don`t find it odd that MacNeill is on the scene when two people drown in the bathtub?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy, people drown in the bathtub all the time.
GRACE: Really? I`ve never heard of anybody drowning in the bathtub. There is Kathleen Savio, that was determined to be a murder in the Drew Peterson case, and this one, Michele MacNeill and MacNeill`s brother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People drown in bathtubs from overdoses of drugs.
GRACE: Name one?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rodney King.
GRACE: Name two.
GRACE: Whitney Houston.
Name three.
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GRACE: Busted. You busted me.
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GRACE: One of our most unforgettable guests is victim`s rights advocate and family law lawyer Sue Moss. Moss never wanted to back down, always fights for justice, and sometimes she even does it with a rhyme.
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MOSS: Oh, she`s not killing herself in that zoo unless it`s on pay per view. If she really thought that the baby had died, she would have let out a shrieking cry. It there`s air in the lung, the defense is done. 28 stabs, she doesn`t even have a scab. The only deal should be what`s for his last meal.
Not only that, but he leaves her in the bath. I mean, you do the math.
Apparently everyone in the old cell block is talking to this jailhouse doc.
He allegedly killed his wife after getting her tipsy, all so he can spend time with this mistress named Gypsy. You can`t make this stuff up.
Danger. Danger. Sue Moss is waving her finger around. Yale, I was coming to you, but I`m afraid.
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GRACE: Bombshell tonight. We`re living it up here at Bravo.
More top ten moments 2013. It`s always a good time when I`m a guest on Andy Cohen`s Bravo show. "Watch What Happens Live," and there`s always a few surprises.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the lady who loves justice, it`s HLN`s Nancy Grace!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you personally feel that the charges against the Giudices (ph) will result in one or both of them serving jailtime?
GRACE: I think they were in it together, and you know what? You can get away with a shoplifting, maybe stealing a car, but don`t mess with the feds when it comes to money. Never mess with the taxman. Never mess with the feds. All right? They have no mercy. I predict they`re going down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?
GRACE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you think they were in it together?
GRACE: Come on, a million people had done --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She told me she absolutely had no idea --
GRACE: She signed her name on the document? Did she? Did they get money? From loans, bank loans, et cetera from signing those documents? Did they, Andy, did they?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know.
GRACE: They did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First up, Russell Brand, what`s the verdict?
GRACE: Crazy. Don`t touch him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Next up. Tiger Woods?
GRACE: Serial cheater.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seacrest.
GRACE: Go for it. Sorry, Gillian (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next up, Chris Brown.
GRACE: No, no, no. Unless you take boxing lessons first.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much, Nancy Grace!
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GRACE: Countdown. The top ten best moments, 2013.
ABC`s "Good Morning America," where I love to battle it out with my favorite sparring buddy, Dan Abrams.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy, you agree?
GRACE: Of course I don`t agree. This testimony by the expert, Dr. Dick Samuels (ph), was supposed to tie all that together, and make sense of it. Instead, he was carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey, and made out to be either a liar or incompetent. They may have had an argument, but it didn`t amount to a hill of beans. I mean, I assume you`ve seen "Home Alone 3" when Kevin, the little boy, has his phone re-routed.
DAN ABRAMS: First of all I believe it was "Home Alone 2," not "Home Alone 3."
GRACE: No. "Home Alone 3" is when the phone was re-routed. Check your facts, Dan.
ABRAMS: I will. That one I will re-check.
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GRACE: Tonight, we bring you the top ten moments from our program, 2013. It`s time to cut the mikes.
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GRACE: So you know where the dead body is hidden, and you claim that means nothing? Because I think I disagree with you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your theory of the case?
GRACE: My theory of the case is -- please, cut her mike.
TAAFFE: He`s not a villain. He`s not a villain. He`s not a miscreant.
GRACE: Don`t make me cut your mike in the first three minutes of the show, please. I`m reading off the girlfriend`s affidavit. Okay?
TAAFFE: yes. If you listen to--
GRACE: Now she`s saying that she didn`t get -- Okay. Your mike is going to go bye-bye.
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GRACE: Cut his mike.
As I was trying to say, because she was kidnapped. Most state agencies don`t kidnap children, Bradford.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In America, sure. In other countries, you have no idea what goes on.
GRACE: Cut his mike, Liz.
Different ethical duties for prosecutors. Their duty -- don`t make me cut your mike. Don`t make me cut your mike in the A block, at least let me get to 8:30 for Pete`s sakes!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry, I didn`t hear anything breaking. I`m sorry. I didn`t hear anything breaking in the background.
GRACE: I didn`t say that, I didn`t say you could hear it. You`re probably hearing yourself talking more than anything else.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I`m hearing you talking. Liz, can you just cut her mike for a minute, because, Nancy, the fact is, this is a he said/she said case.
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GRACE: Now, time for another top ten best of 2013.
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GRACE: May they rot in hell, and, hey, if you`re listening, you can put that on your Christmas tree.
Whoever is responsible for leaving the mother in this condition for the little girl to find -- let me just say, may they rot in hell. A 6- year-old child to find this?
Let me just say, Steven King (ph), if your guilty, if you`re guilty, you got a one-way ticket to hell. Hello, Satan.
He could get all that blood -- (inaudible).
Tonight, fasten your seatbelt, because things are bumpy.
So buckle your seatbelt, it`s bumpy, a new retrial set to start July 18. Martinez filing documents that he`s rearing to go already releasing his witness list.
I`m just a layperson, though. I`m the JD. You`re the MD. I`ve got a JD. Does that make me qualified to talk about a bullet going through somebody`s brain?
Can you just take off your defense hat for one moment, Shareen (ph), and notice that where he goes, people drop like flies? So I suggest to you that you put that in your pie and smoke it.
Perfume on the pig from what she allegedly was doing. According to you.
That`s certainly putting perfume on the pig, you`re giving it a different view.
TAAFFE: Oink oink.
GRACE: Why are you smiling? Is this funny?
If I found out my husband was having an affair, I would go get a shotgun, all right? And I don`t even have a shotgun, but I would get one.
You know what? I want to take that cowboy hat off his head and give him a little finger necklace right now. Look at this guy, Justin, if you could give me a yes/no the best you can right now.
Let me ask you, and this is a yes/no, Brian. A yes/no. Did his statement change? Yes/no. It`s a simple question.
Are you a doctor?
TAAFFE: No, I was going to be a doctor, but I didn`t have the patience.
GRACE: That`s a yes/no.
Let`s not rush to judgment that all is lost yet. Because I`ve got a funny feeling that lady justice is going to win out.
For anyone that loves our justice system, I guarantee you, lady justice is crying tonight.
Court is done for the day. But lady justice is still at work.
Ruh-roh. All right, Peter Odom, the brother is dead. What the hey went wrong? You guys were so happy.
TAAFFE: You talked about the Second Amendment. You said something about -- before the Civil War -- well, in the state of Florida. --
GRACE: The Civil War? What in the hey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She uses lipstick to write on the mirror in the bathroom. She writes whore --
GRACE: Boo-hoo. They can clean that up with Windex. We know that Jodi Arias beat her brother in the head with a baseball bat when she was five. So frankly, I don`t know if the mother spanked her enough with that wooden spoon. And somebody else says, did you kill him? You know what, if somebody said that to me, they would get a knuckle sandwich, no mayo.
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GRACE: Everyone, thanks for being with us for our top ten countdown, the best of 2013. I wish every one of you a happy new year. And the very best of holidays. Good night, friend.
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