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Nancy Grace
Amanda Bynes Busted for Pot; Arrests Soon in Maddie McCann Case?
Aired January 13, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Off the top, of course, the state of Colorado runs out of pot. And I don`t mean pots and pans. I mean marijuana, weed, maryjane, hash, dope, spliff. Why? Because Colorado legalizes pot.
Hey, you want your babysitter high on pot, your cab driver, school bus driver high on pot? How about the yard guy in the back of the yard burning leaves? How about those workers in your children`s school cafeteria cooking on a gas stove? I don`t want them high on pot!
Bombshell tonight. Case in point, movie star Amanda Bynes`s pot bust!
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AMANDA BYNES, ACTRESS: What`s wrong with me? I don`t know. It`s shocking how it`s become popular to go to rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... arrested for allegedly tossing a bong out the window of her apartment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My client completely denies ever having thrown anything out the window...
BYNES: I don`t want to blow what I`ve worked so hard to, you know, achieve.
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GRACE: And tonight, 3-year-old baby Maddie McCann snatched during a luxury resort vacation while her parents leave baby Maddie and twin siblings in their hotel room alone for dinner. Tonight, a major, major break in the Maddie McCann case! Cops zero in on three male suspects. Finally, has the case of missing Maddie McCann been cracked wide open?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A new development in Maddie McCann`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s a very good chance that she`s alive, and there`s certainly nothing to suggest otherwise.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Scotland Yard detectives are now reportedly asking Portuguese authorities to help interview three burglars in the area the night she vanished.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) give up on children who are still missing.
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GRACE: And tonight, live, Alliance, Ohio. You can find just about anything to buy or sell on line, but police stunned when this 36-year-old Ohio man goes on line to purchase a 5-year-old little girl! Yes, he wants to buy any 5-year-old little girl to, quote, "marry"! Translation? To molest!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 36-year-old man allegedly posts an on-line ad asking if he can marry anyone`s daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Robert Thomas, Jr. (ph), who went on line and agreed to buy a 10-year-old girl for $400 and keep her for sexual purposes. He showed up, showed the cash, and was shown into a squad car.
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GRACE: And also, live to Nebraska, an armed bank robbery foiled after a gorgeous young college student turned armed bank robber celebrates the thousands of dollars she steals at gunpoint on YouTube, blabbing, Woo-hoo! I just robbed a bank with a gun. And now I`m paying off my college student loans and buying a whole new wardrobe.
Oh, you`re getting a whole new wardrobe, all right, prison blues!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Take a look at this YouTube video titled "Chick bank robber." She has a lot of cash, saying it`s $6,256.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sheriff says she wore the same outfit in the bank, at her arrest and in her YouTube video, a YouTube that`s now evidence that could send her down the tubes.
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GRACE: And tonight, we go live, Memphis, and the desperate search for 7-week-old baby Aniston (ph). As the clock ticks down, is there time to find baby Aniston alive?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... in the disappearance of a 7-week-old Tennessee girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 7-week-old child, Aniston Walker (ph)...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gone when the mother allegedly left the infant home alone with her 3-year-old brother in order to take her 5-year-old son to school.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when she returned, the 7-week-old daughter was missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police using cadaver dogs, searching ponds and landfills.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are suspicious circumstances surrounding the disappearance of that child.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We all know the state of Colorado runs out of pot, marijuana, weed, maryjane, hash, dope, spliff. Why? Because Colorado legalizes pot. Hey, you want your babysitter or your cab driver or your school bus driver high on pot? Well, I sure don`t.
Tonight, in line to legalize pot, the state of Massachusetts. But bombshell tonight, case in point, movie star Amanda Bynes busted on pot.
OK, out to you, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. It`s my understanding that this beautiful young star -- and she`s been the star of, what, reality series, she`s been in movies -- got so, so addicted to pot, she was bringing in people -- men -- off the street, just people she met on the street...
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You`re exactly right. She was.
GRACE: ... into her apartment for pot parties, was smoking pot in the lobby of her luxury high-rise apartment, threw the bong out the window of what, the 21st floor, onto the sidewalk below, and the apartment manager called police.
I mean, she was so high and so addicted to pot that she was bringing in, basically, street people, people off the street, men that were taking advantage of her in her apartment?
TERESZCUK: She was. And they were actually paparazzi guys, and they sold her out immediately. They brought the drugs in the apartment, allegedly. They had pictures of her with them, and they promptly sold those pictures to show what they said was Amanda Bynes doing drugs. Now, she was -- she was actually, reportedly, by people in her building, she was smoking a joint in the lobby of her building, and that`s when they called the cops.
GRACE: Out to Norm Kent, president of the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws. Translation, he wants marijuana legalized. Now, you said it`s all OK. But now we`ve got Amanda Bynes, who was just in court before a judge, who was having to be forced by a court to go to counseling and to try to get her off her pot addiction.
You say it`s not addictive, Norm.
NORM KENT, PRES., NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR REFORM OF MARIJUANA LAWS: Well, Nancy, there you go again. You know, my grandmother used to say half a truth is a whole lie. Nancy (SIC) is on three years` probation...
GRACE: What are you talking about?
KENT: Nancy, Amanda Bynes...
GRACE: Wait, wait! Did you just say...
KENT: ... is on three years` probation.
GRACE: ... Nancy is on three years` probation?
KENT: No, I said, Nancy...
GRACE: Yes, you did!
KENT: ... Amanda Bynes is on -- well, I may have misspoke. Forgive me.
GRACE: OK. Go ahead.
KENT: But Amanda Bynes -- Amanda Bynes is on three years` probation for DUI and two hit-and-runs out of Thousand Oaks, California. She has seriously impaired herself, has mental health issues that an interventionist like Brad Lamm could address to make her better. But the important thing...
GRACE: Could you please go back to the question I just asked, Norm?
KENT: Sure.
GRACE: She`s addicted to pot.
KENT: No.
GRACE: She`s bringing guys off the street into her apartment that are taking advantage of her, probably stealing everything in sight, who knows what we on, because she`s so high on pot, she doesn`t know what`s happening. A judge had to order her into counseling to get her off pot. She`s addicted. But you`re feeding a line to America saying it`s not addictive. It is! Look what has happened to her!
KENT: What happened to her was that she was seriously impaired by alcohol abuse and needs treatment and was...
GRACE: No, that`s not what happened!
KENT: She was on probation when she engaged in this act...
GRACE: But that`s...
KENT: ... she engaged in this act of throwing a bong...
GRACE: Engaged in what act?
KENT: ... out the window.
GRACE: And you`re telling me she wasn`t high?
KENT: (INAUDIBLE) the reckless and careless act of throwing a bong out the window.
GRACE: OK...
KENT: And she may very well have been high on drugs and alcohol...
GRACE: You don`t get it!
KENT: ... and I hope that judge looks into it.
GRACE: You don`t get it, Norm! You don`t get that you preaching this line of BS to America, somebody might actually believe you! And if this could happen to a movie star, who has all the money and the power and the prestige, what`s going to happen to little old Joe Q. Citizen, that can`t walk into a $45,000-a-week rehab like she can?
Brad Lamm, addiction specialist, founder of The Breathe Life healing centers, why is it so hard for anybody to say Amanda Bynes got hooked on pot? She`s addicted. Now her parents are trying to help her, the court is trying to help her, and she`s nearly thrown away a multi-million-dollar role in the movie industry.
BRAD LAMM, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: Well, I think with this particular guy that you`re talking to, it`s -- his line is pot is fine. And the truth is this, Nancy. The National Institute of Drug Abuse tells us that one in five people that smoke pot is going to get seriously addicted. If you start in your teens...
GRACE: OK, stop! Put him up, please!
LAMM: ... it`s even higher.
GRACE: I want Brad Lamm. Brad, you asked me recently have I ever smoked pot. I have not. I want you to explain what addiction is like, because, everybody, you`re looking at Brad Lamm, and you think he`s all successful and he`s an intervention specialist. All that`s true. But he is/was an addict.
I want you to tell Norm and whoever is listening what it feels like to be addicted.
LAMM: Well, just look at your screen, Nancy. The Amanda picture before and after is what I was like. You know, I was the person who tried it and got really sick and really hooked and nearly died from it. I mean, we saw Amanda`s very public meltdown. Thought it was a blessing when her family finally got the state to lock her up because that`s what addiction looks like, where in spite of your best intentions, you can`t stop doing this thing that is not giving you the kick that it used to.
GRACE: Out to Justin Freiman...
LAMM: And see, that`s the thing about Norm. He won`t cop to this truth that for people who aren`t prone to addiction, it`s no big deal. Pot is no big deal, just like alcohol for the non-alcoholic is not a big deal. But for the person who is prone to addiction, it will dismantle and derail your life.
GRACE: OK, Norm...
LAMM: And for a lot of people, it will kill them.
GRACE: Let`s hear it, Norm.
KENT: I want to congratulate Brad on being drug-free for 11 years. But I want to know, when he was addicted to methamphetamines and alcohol, if he would have preferred to get treatment by a licensed, sophisticated counsel like himself or he would have preferred to be incarcerated, in jail...
GRACE: I don`t even know what you`re saying!
KENT: ... locked up in a cage?
GRACE: Of course he would rather...
KENT: What I`m saying is that...
GRACE: Of course he would rather...
KENT: ... we need help.
GRACE: ... have had counseling. I don`t know what your point is.
KENT: It`s, like, Brad, do you think water...
GRACE: The fact is...
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GRACE: OK, stop! Out to Justin Freiman...
LAMM: What did you say?
GRACE: Liz, just cut it. Justin Freiman, I want to talk about the rash of pot-related crimes. And I would like to see Norm and Brad because I`m going to get their take on it. So first of all, Justin, isn`t it true that Massachusetts is lining up behind Colorado to legalize pot?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Oh, absolutely. There`s already lots of money and signatures being gathered to get that on the ballot.
GRACE: And what about a man allegedly high on pot smashing into trooper vehicles, smashing into police?
LAMM: That`s right. Get ready, Nancy. You`re going to see more and more headlines just like that, the crimes and the lives lost because of pot being legalized. And look, I`m torn by it. I think that we`re on the road to pot being legalized across the United States, but I`m not going to say that it`s not a huge danger and I`m not going to back away from the fact that pot is addictive.
GRACE: OK, Norm, (INAUDIBLE) a man allegedly high on pot smashes into troopers` vehicles. He could have killed all of them. High on pot!
KENT: NORML does not endorse or back in any way alcohol-influenced driving or cannabis-influenced driving. The fact is, in Colorado, there were 24,742 DUI arrests in the year 2012 and less than 1,000 were associated with marijuana.
LAMM: Well, and here`s why, Norm...
KENT: The truth is, you have to regulate...
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LAMM: I want to hear Brad.
KENT: The truth is, you have to regulate...
LAMM: It`s much easier...
KENT: ... the content.
LAMM: ... to identify somebody who`s driving while drunk than it is driving while under the influence of pot. If you don`t smell it, you`re probably not going to do a field sobriety test. And then you have to get urine from the person to see if they`re really high on pot.
GRACE: OK, here`s the bottom line. Massachusetts lining up behind Colorado. And if Amanda Bynes`s family, the court, with all her money and all her prestige, can`t help her get off of pot, what`s going to happen to your teenager or your wife or your husband? What`s going to happen to them when they get hooked, as well?
Everybody, when we come back, cops zero in on three male suspects. Finally, has the case of missing Maddie McCann been cracked wide open?
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GRACE: ... year-old Baby Maddie McCann snatched during a luxury resort vacation while her parents leave her and the twin siblings in the hotel room alone. Tonight, a major break in the case. Cops zero in on three male suspects. Has the case of missing Maddie finally been cracked wide open?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators suspect the men accidentally woke her up during a burglary attempt and then decided to take her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Even if you don`t think you have any information that might be significant, all information is important. It helps the police to build a picture of who was there, where and when.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She went inside the apartment and told police that Madeleine was gone, the window to the bedroom open.
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GRACE: Has the case of missing Maddie been cracked wide open? Straight out to Rita Cosby, investigative journalist. What do you know, Rita?
RITA COSBY, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, Nancy, it does look like arrests are imminent. British police are pushing Portuguese police and are zeroing in on three burglars. What they determined was that they made a significant amount of calls in the hours after Madeleine McCann disappeared.
And what`s incredible, authorities in Portugal knew about these burglars before, Nancy. They just kind of disregarded it. Finally, British police got access to the phone records. Not only did they put them in the area, but see (ph) this series of a lot of calls that now enabled them to go, and hopefully, arrest them within hours, and there may be a huge break in this case.
GRACE: Well, what we know right now, Rita Cosby, is that Scotland Yard has been on the case. They reopened it several months ago. And as of last night, they were en route to make the arrest of three males, one of them Portuguese. And we also know this.
Out to you, Steve Helling, writer with "People" magazine. Steve, we know that these three guys are burglars and that just before Maddie McCann goes missing, they commit another burglary nearby.
And the parents in that case are -- they`re very bold. The parents are just on the patio having drinks with some people. The children are inside. The burglars try to go in to burgle the place. They see the children out, they leave immediately. Then they try to go -- the theory is they go to McCanns` hotel room, and they see baby Maddie and they go, We`re taking her this time.
STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE": You know, that`s fascinating, especially because, you know, you said it was bold. Imagine, the parents are there on the balcony. They go in, and according to the police reports, they disturb the child. I don`t know what that means. We don`t know whether that means they woke them up, whether they started to take them, we don`t know. But the parents stopped it.
And then, you know, did they go to Maddie McCann`s apartment and do the same thing. But at that point, the parents were nowhere to be seen. They were having dinner a football field away.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Arrests now, Madeleine McCann case?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re encouraged. There is new evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... refocused their efforts into finding Madeleine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... now hearing the British police are set to arrest three alleged burglars from the neighborhood where Madeleine went missing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a real possibility that Madeleine can still be found alive.
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GRACE: Tonight, is there finally a break in the case of missing Maddie McCann?
Out to Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Rita Cosby was just telling us that these three burglars had been in the area, and right after Maddie goes missing, the cell phone use between them skyrockets. It`s off the charts, and it hadn`t been that way before.
What do you call what Scotland Yard did? It was like a big blanket was dropped over the whole area, and they got every single cell phone call made.
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Nancy, we talked about this on your show two years ago, and we suggested that`s what the police would do.
The people who were at that resort are probably covered by one cell power. And what the police did was called a cell power dump for the period of time when Madeleine was kidnapped. They looked at -- they got a list of every phone call that was made from that area. They quickly could probably eliminate people who were visitors, people who were workers. And what filtered out was these three guys, who probably had no business being there, and they instantly became persons of interest.
Now, if we also go back and see that in the previous attempt at kidnapping or other cases, these people were also there, it puts them in the area. It doesn`t convict them.
GRACE: It certainly does.
And also, Rita Cosby, it shows that something got them pretty excited or scared exactly at the time Maddie goes missing. Question -- what took so long?
COSBY: I think just inept police work on behalf of Portugal. In fact, British police today are calling the fact that they didn`t go after these phone records, the Portuguese side -- they`re saying they were inept. They`re calling it a disgrace.
The other thing, too, Nancy, the window was open in the case of these other burglaries, the one that happened a few days before. Also, in the Madeleine McCann case, the window, according to the mother, was wide open. So there`s some physical connections.
And also, in this case with the burglars, they found that the robberies committed by these three men, four times the amount in that area, most of them connected to these guys in the days leading up to Madeleine McCann. There`s some very strong evidence that looks like was missed big- time by Portuguese police.
GRACE: These arrests expected to be going down as we speak. Tonight, arrests in the case of missing Maddie McCann. Our prayer tonight, that Maddie be found alive.
When we come back, you know, you can find just about anything to buy or sell on line. But police stunned when a 36-year-old man goes on line to purchase a 5-year-old little girl to, quote, "marry." Translation? To molest.
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GRACE: Live. Alliance, Ohio. You can find just about anything to buy or sell online, but even police, who`ve seen it all, are stunned when a 36-year-old man in Ohio goes online to purchase a five-year-old little girl. To purchase, to buy a five-year-old little girl, any five-year-old little girl to, quote, "marry." Translation? To molest.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suburb was Cuyahoga Falls. The FBI helped arrest the owner of this house, 36-year-old Robert Thomas Jr., who went online and agreed to buy a 10-year-old girl for $400.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone takes the bait. Police allegedly tells him they have a 10-year-old little girl. The problem? That person is a cop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back in his home, they found what police described as sexual paraphernalia, assault rifles, including one with a grenade launcher mounted on it.
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GRACE: Can you imagine? And we hear every day of people trying to sell their children? What if this little girl had actually been sold to this pervert?
Straight out to Noam Laden with WABC. Noam, what happened?
NOAM LADEN, WABC: Well, this guy named Robert Thomas Jr. goes online and actually finds a website that`s creepy enough that matches wannabe pedophiles with little kids.
GRACE: You know, I`ve heard of web sites like that. Unleash the lawyers. Alex Sanchez, Trinity Hundredmark. Alex Sanchez, defense attorney in New York. Alex, why can`t the whole website just be banned? If you`re matching up pedophiles with children, that`s clearly illegal!
SANCHEZ: I don`t think the government would want it banned. Why not monitor a website like that? And by the way, Nancy, central to the criminal justice system is intent. And I`m wondering whether or not this guy`s intent was to purchase a five-year-old kid to molest the kid, or really his intent was just to get arrested. It`s so obvious what he was doing, he could not possibly get away with this. He wanted to get arrested.
GRACE: OK, so that is B.S. Even Trinity Hundredmark, Atlanta defense attorney, says that`s crazy. Go ahead, Trinity.
HUNDREDMARK: I think that`s a little insane. I don`t know if anyone actually wants to get arrested. But look, Nancy, this is early in the investigation. We don`t know who else has access to this guy`s computer, who has access to his house, who lives there.
GRACE: Let me just clear that up for you, Trinity, because Robert W. Thomas Jr., a 36-year-old white male, lives alone with his three dogs, all right? So I doubt one of them got on the computer.
I want to go out to special guest Detective Matt Shatzer, with the Alliance Police Department who is on the case. Detective Shatzer, thanks for being with us.
DET. MATT SHATZER, ALLIANCE PD: You`re welcome.
GRACE: You know, Detective, I always think I`ve seen it all after prosecuting in inner city Atlanta for 10 years, all felonies, but this one really takes the cake. Look at this guy. Look at him. I wouldn`t even let him in the room with a five-year-old little girl. How did you find out about the case, Detective, and thank God that you did. Go ahead.
SHATZER: Myself and another officer, we conduct online investigations, and (inaudible), my partner ended up finding a place on a social media site to which she responded to -- and at that point, we began- -
GRACE: You mean a woman, someone actually responded to his ad, his want ad?
SHATZER: Yes, the police department responded to the ad.
GRACE: Okay, so you responded. Okay. Let me ask you this. What was the text of the ad. What did the ad say?
SHATZER: Mr. Thomas was looking for a couple or a family to arrange a marriage for their daughter.
GRACE: The way you said that kind of sounds like blase, blase, looking for a couple to arrange marriage of their daughter. What about the fact that she could be five years old?
SHATZER: That`s correct.
GRACE: Did you fall off your seat when you saw the ad?
SHATZER: When I was brought into the investigation, it surprised me, and -- but it seemed like, yes, he really wanted to pursue this. We just continued with the investigation and exchanged some e-mails with him.
GRACE: What did you say to him? What did you say back to him? He wants to buy a five-year-old girl to marry. What did you say back?
SHATZER: The other officer just kept responding to him, and eventually he agreed to purchase a 10-year-old girl for $400.
GRACE: $400. Out to you, Clark Goldband. What more can you tell me?
GOLDBAND: Nancy, here`s where it gets real interesting. This goes down according to authorities at a restaurant.
GRACE: Clark, it`s already real interesting, as you put it. Real interesting if you`re a perverted pedophile. Go ahead.
GOLDBAND: Here`s how the sting goes down. It takes place in a restaurant. The gentleman there you see on the screen comes with $400 cash thinking he`s going to purchase this 10-year-old girl. The law enforcement officer, who is posing undercover, says --
GRACE: What, he couldn`t get a five-year-old?
GOLDBAND: Apparently he settled on a 10-year-old, Nancy.
GRACE: Had to settle for 10? OK, let`s see, what is that, about a fourth grader? Okay. Go ahead.
GOLDBAND: I think so, yes. Here`s what happened. This man leaves the restaurant with the undercover cop. He says, let`s go to my van. The gentleman then walks into the van, and as the cop opens the door, he`s busted and taken down by a swarm of law enforcement. He is booked in jail right now, and he could face almost 30 years behind bars.
GRACE: Detective Matt Shatzer, what did you find in the home?
SHATZER: When we executed a search warrant at the house, we found approximately six to seven firearms, pistols, shotguns, assault rifles, lots of sexual paraphernalia, pornography, computers --
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. When you say pornography, I take it we`re not talking about "Playboy," right?
SHATZER: There was some of that, also suspected child pornography, but that`s still under investigation at this point.
GRACE: You know what, Detective, I appreciate you being so discrete, but you know it when you see it, what child porn is. It`s pictures of children having sex with adults. That`s what child porn is.
Out to Eris Huemer, Dr. Eris, psychotherapist at dreris.com. Weigh in, Doctor.
HUEMER: This man is a pedophiliac, and pedophiliacs are narcissistic, and have psychopathic traits. This man will show no remorse, and he could actually, if he would have gotten ahold of this child, he would have manipulated her and abused her, and tried to make other people think that this is actually something she wanted. This man is sick and should be behind bars for the rest of his life.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Alex Sanchez, New York, Trinity Hundredmark, Atlanta. Alex Sanchez, I`ve heard so many stories regarding sick pedophiles, but this one ranks right up there, and I guarantee you, Alex, that this is not his first try.
SANCHEZ: It`s bad. Anybody that goes on the Internet and announces they want to buy a five-year-old, that`s absolutely insane. But it`s the equivalent of somebody --
GRACE: Your problem is that he advertised it, not that he`s doing it?
SANCHEZ: It`s almost like somebody going to 42nd Street with a bullhorn and saying, is there a five-year-old? I want to marry them. But that`s what I find hard to believe.
GRACE: I`m clearly talking to a psycho. What about it? To you, Trinity.
HUNDREDMARK: It`s not something you`re looking for when you`re looking for a client, but as I said Nancy, like I said before, it`s still very early. I understand this man has been arrested and they found some things, but there`s still a lot we don`t know.
GRACE: Found some things. How about child pornography and an assault rifle?
HUNDREDMARK: I think it`s suspected child porn at this--
GRACE: Suspected child porn. You see a picture of a child having sex and you think it might be porn?
HUNDREDMARK: I don`t think they`ve confirmed that that is what it is at this time, but yes, they did find things in his home. But again, just because somebody did not live there with him doesn`t mean that somebody else doesn`t have access. Somebody else could have easily had access.
GRACE: You`re actually trying to say maybe somebody snuck into his place, where he and his three dogs live, got onto his computer, and tried to buy a five-year-old to molest.
HUNDREDMARK: Nancy, we don`t know who had access to his house, who had keys.
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GRACE: -- answer the repeat e-mails from Detective Shatzer, who wisely continued -- he and his partner -- continued the email chain to get more evidence.
HUNDREDMARK: Again, it`s very, very early. We just -- this man was just arrested, we don`t know what`s going to happen. But I don`t think it`s outside the realm of possibility that something like that could have happened.
GRACE: I do. Detective Matt Shatzer of the Alliance Police Department, Detective, do you believe or are you investigating the possibility that there are child sex victims out there in addition to this child that he wanted to buy?
SHATZER: Like I said, the investigation is ongoing. There`s still a lot of stuff. It`s hard to comment on exact details.
GRACE: You know what, Detective? I get it. And tonight, everybody is always using the cops as a punching bag. They did this wrong, they did that wrong. Well, you and your partners stopped at least this crime. So congratulations, Detective.
Everyone, tonight, the search for a missing husband and father of two. One of the children a special needs child. David Bird. He leaves his home Saturday morning for a walk. He recently got a liver transplant. He`s in desperate need of medication. Bird is 6`1, 200 pounds, gray hair, gray beard, seen wearing a red jacket, blue jeans, sunglasses. Take a look at this man. He`s got a wife and two children depending on him to come home. If you have information, please call 908-647-1800.
And when we come back, an armed bank robbery foiled after a gorgeous young college student turned bank robber celebrates the thousands and thousands she steals at gunpoint on Youtube, blabbing, "woo-hoo, I`m buying a whole new wardrobe." Yes, you`re getting a whole new wardrobe, little girl. Prison blues.
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GRACE: And tonight, to Nebraska, an armed bank robbery foiled after a gorgeous young college student turned bank robber celebrates the thousands and thousands she stole at gunpoint on Youtube! Blabbing, "whoo hoo, I just robbed a bank with a gun. Now I`m paying off my college student loans and buying a whole new wardrobe." She`s getting a wardrobe, all right. Prison blue.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seven minutes of a young blond boasting about the best day of her life, stating, "I just stole a car and robbed a bank."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just said she had a gun with her. The note said she had a gun.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The suspect seems to like writing notes. All the signs in the video are backwards. Not to worry. She helpfully supplied subtitles. She displayed the green, $256,000.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In Sabato`s (ph) home, investigators said they found the cash, sunglasses, pink backpack, and license plates off a stolen vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Note to accused bank robbers. It doesn`t help your case to post yourself on Youtube, waving around cash and holding a sign saying, "I robbed a bank!"
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GRACE: OK. Don`t just take my word to it. I want you to see the Youtube video for yourself. Roll it, Liz.
Okay, you are seeing Hanna Sabata (ph) in her Youtube celebration after she arm-robs a bank. She is holding up all the money. Out to you, Steve Helling, writer with "People" magazine. What happened?
STEVE HELLING, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: Nancy, just when you and I think we`ve seen it all, we see this. She allegedly went and robbed this -- not allegedly, she`s been convicted of it. She robbed this bank. She stole a car.
GRACE: What does that sign say? "I robbed a bank." Okay, go ahead.
HELLING: I mean, I can`t stop rolling my eyes at this one, because the very first thing that she did, she was still wearing the same clothes that she was wearing in the bank surveillance tapes when she was doing this video. She was so happy and proud of what she did, Nancy, that she went, and the very first thing she did was turn the camera on herself to tell the world. It went viral, and that`s how she got caught.
GRACE: Tell me this, Steve, did she arm-rob the bank? She pulled a gun on them, right?
HELLING: Yes. The police say she terrorized this poor teller, who was scared out of her wits. So you know, we can laugh about it, but this was a really serious crime. This wasn`t just shoplifting something, this is armed robbery of a bank. You know. It doesn`t get worse than that.
GRACE: There she is at the bank, and apparently that`s some of the same clothes she was wearing during the bank heist underneath that button- up shirt. She`s got the same thing on under that.
Bottom line, Steve Helling, she says, I`m going to pay off my student loans for college and buy a new wardrobe?
GRACE: (inaudible) paying off student loans, I get that. I get you would do almost anything to pay those things off. But yes, that`s what she wanted to do, but then she was going to take the extra and she was going to go on a shopping spree. Maybe she needed new clothes, I don`t know.
GRACE: Okay, everybody, that`s what not to do after you arm-rob a bank is celebrate on Youtube.
On another note, the Chris Christie bridge scandal over forced traffic jams now apparently affecting the life and death emergency and even a missing child case. On an ambulance ride, 91-year-old Florence Genova (ph) dies of a heart attack in stalled traffic, and police sidetracked from helping to search for a four-year-old little girl to go out and direct traffic. We want answers.
And when we come back, we go live to Memphis and the desperate search for a seven-week-old baby Aniston.
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GRACE: And tonight live to Memphis and the desperate search for a 7- week-old baby. As the clock is ticking down, is there time to find baby Aniston alive?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation continues in the disappearance of 7-week-old infant girl Aniston Walker, who recently vanished from her home in a Memphis suburb.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 7-week-old kids don`t mysteriously disappear without some circumstances behind it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say they have reason to believe that Aniston was the victim of a serious bodily injury but have not found any sign of her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re on the scene conducting searches, we have cadaver dogs, we`re not leaving any stone unturned.
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GRACE: Where is baby Aniston? Tip line 901-545-2677. Rita Cosby, investigative journalist, what happened?
COSBY: Nancy, it is a horrible case. Now the mother, 33-year-old Andrea Walker, claims she took her 5-year-old son to school and left 7- week-old Aniston Walker, who is just 10 pounds wearing a little onesie, that she left her daughter with her 3-year-old son. Authorities are not buying it. They`re scouring the area. And right now say that there was no sign of forced entry, and only two other people had a key to the home.
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GRACE: Back to you, Rita Cosby, those facts don`t make sense to me, and at a time when a 7-week-old baby girl is missing, I would expect to get a clearer story. What did mommy say again?
COSBY: Mommy claims that she took the 5-year-old son just for half an hour, went to the school and came back, and suddenly the 7-week-old is missing. As you know, as a mom, Nancy, a 7-week-old doesn`t just disappear. So authorities are zooming in on the mother and say that she`s also not cooperating, which raises a lot of red flags.
GRACE: Who else saw the child that morning, who if anyone?
COSBY: Right now they`re saying the mother was the last person to see the child. And again, authorities are saying how could you just leave, even in the face of her story, leaving the 7-week-old beautiful little baby, a 7-week-old baby girl with a 3-year-old son? They`re saying just in and of itself, that is enough to charge her with neglect and abuse. Right now they`re trying to find -- voraciously trying to find this little baby and have no clues at this point.
GRACE: So Rita, they`ve got a 5-year-old, a 3-year-old and a 7-week- old, and the older one was at school that morning. She took that one to school, left a 3-year-old and the 7-week-old at home.
Here`s another question. Rita, other than her that morning saying the baby was alive and well, who was the last one to see the baby? Do we know that, like the night before or the day before?
COSBY: We`re told that about 24 hours or so before other relatives had had contact with the child, had seen it. The neighbors, however, say they`ve never seen the child. That the child was always kept inside. So there`s a lot of suspicious questions here.
GRACE: Everyone, tip line for baby Aniston, 901-545-2677. A 7-week- old baby girl gone.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Marine Corporal Michael Bailey. 29, Lynwood, Missouri, Purple Heart, Marine Corps Achievement Medal. Also served in the Navy. Loved volunteering with his hometown fire department. Father Michael Sr., stepfather Thomas. Michael Bailey, American hero.
Drew up next, everyone. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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