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Nancy Grace
Wealthy Socialite Runs Child Porn Operation; Woman Dies in Cosmetic Procedure
Aired March 19, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, upscale Dallas enclave. A 43-year-old wealthy socialite, Erika Perdue, busted! She`s running a child porn operation. She`s been doing it for the last 10 years out of her own $1.4 million mansion. Question. Did her high-profile lawyer husband know anything about it?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Erika Perdue was a University Park housewife living in a $1.4 million mansion. On line, she was known as ClassyB (ph), swapping thousands of pix and videos of children having sex.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) completely shocked to find out that this is close to a park where I take my children.
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GRACE: And live, Long Beach, California. Stunning news to women all over the country who want to look younger. A facelift therapist performed so-called "vampire facelifts" now popular after Kim Kardashian and fashion models post photos like these. Tonight, did a Long Beach, California, facelift therapist perform a deadly beauty treatment, a treatment that ends up with a makeover at the morgue?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Gonzalez rented a back room from the owner, where she did her massages and also buttocks augmentations, lip augmentations and an occasional facelift.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Which she wasn`t licensed to do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can confirm that the female who did pass did receive a cosmetic medical procedure.
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GRACE: And tonight, the mystery surrounding Malaysia flight 370, where 239 passengers and crew vanish into thin air. As we learn the flight abruptly veers off course and the mystery "Good night" from the pilot, tonight, is there a cover-up?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A new twist in the disappearance of flight 370.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody deleted stuff from the flight simulator found at the pilot`s home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New details about the plane`s sharp turn west.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone rerouted the flight a full 12 minutes before the co-pilot said, "All right, good night."
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GRACE: And tonight, firefighters refuse to cross the street to save a dying dad? We want answers!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This goes against what firefighting is all about.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seventy-seven-year-old Cecil Mills collapsed outside this shopping center.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I even ran to the curb and said, Are you going to help me, or are you going to let my dad die?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Firefighters refused several desperate requests.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s heartless.
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GRACE: And Temecula, California, a computer whiz extorts nude photos from dozens of girls as young as 14, including Miss Teen USA, hacking into their computers, taking control of their Webcam remote.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My computer and my Webcam were hacked into.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Teen USA Cassidy Wolf (ph) a victim of "sextortion."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were watching you in your room when you were unaware of it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was far from the only victim.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. To upscale Dallas enclave, a 43-year-old wealthy socialite, Erika Perdue, busted running a child porn operation. She`s been doing it for the last decade out of her $1.4 million mansion. But did her high-profile lawyer husband know anything about it?
Joining me right now, Dan Koller, editor of "Park Cities People." Dan, it`s hard to believe because when we think of child pornography, you think of a dirty old man, a dirty old white guy. She`s anything but, Dan! She is a millionaire. She`s married to a millionaire. He`s a high-profile lawyer. They live in the best section, the most expensive section of town, in a mansion. And for 10 years, she`s been running a child porn operation out of her home, Dan!
DAN KOLLER, "PART CITIES PEOPLE" (via telephone): Yes, it`s hard to believe. You know, people buy homes in the Park Cities because they think it`s going to get them away from crime, and they don`t ever suspect that something like this is going to be happening right in the neighborhood.
GRACE: To Rita Cosby, investigative reporter. I was stunned because, apparently, she`s been trading porn like baseball cards. When authorities raided her mansion, they can tell that she been trading every single day, hundreds -- she had thousands of images of child porn, including toddlers - - toddlers! -- having full-blown sex with adults!
RITA COSBY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes, it`s unbelievable what authorities found, Nancy, and they found it through a sting. An FBI agent sent out a message on a network peer-to-peer site. He downloaded images from a woman who went under the name ClassyB. They traced it back to her, and when they raided her home, they found 4,000 images, very graphic images, and videos with adults and children.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Bradford Cohen, Ft. Lauderdale, Louis Gainor, Chicago. First of all to you, Gainor. When you have this on your computer, when you`ve got the hard copies -- which is actually pretty rare that people have still photos now of child porn. Usually, they view it on their computers. This wealthy female socialite -- she`s 43 years old, drives a sports car, has it all. In fact, her -- put the lawyer back up, please.
Louis, the -- she has a vanity tag, which I`m always suspicious of. Like, why do people pay extra money for that? "MY SYN (ph)". Little did she know, Louis Gainor, that I was going to find out what her sin is, and it`s child porn. What`s your defense?
LOUIS GAINOR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this case is not about her guilt or innocence. She`s obviously guilty. It`s about what`s the proper sentence. We have to take into consideration her past. She lived a very, very troubled life. She was married twice before age 26.
GRACE: OK...
GAINOR: She lost custody of one of her children.
GRACE: I really appreciate...
GAINOR: She was addicted to methamphetamine.
GRACE: ... that Louis. I do. I appreciate the sad sack story about her life. I get it. And you know what? I`m sorry. I feel bad that I had a happy childhood and she had a really horrible time in her later life, not as a child. But yes, this is her third husband. Yes, she had her child taken away from her. Thank God in heaven!
Bradford Cohen, I mean, how am I supposed to -- I`m glad her child got taken away! She deals in child porn! I want to know your best defense, which is what I asked Gainor, which he avoided.
BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Generally, what happens with these cases is the defense relies on identity. Who else had access to the computer, if the house was shared with other individuals, how they traced it back, if they had conversations with that individual. That`s now all these cases first -- that`s the first line of defense, in terms of who exactly had the access to this computer...
GRACE: You know what?
COHEN: ... and how long they had access for.
GRACE: You know what, Brad? You`re right. That is typically the first line of defense because if you`ll think back on tot mom and all of those computer searches for how to commit murder, how to create sedatives, how to kill people, how to go undetected, neck breaking, chloroform -- her mom got on the stand and took the fall for that, came up with a story to protect her daughter.
You`re right, shared computer access would be something that they could go for, but here`s the problem, Brad. For them to do that, they`d have to point the finger at lawyer husband.
COHEN: Correct.
GRACE: Rita Cosby, what can you tell me about the husband, who is not a suspect in this?
COSBY: Well, he is a very successful intellectual property attorney. And what she told authorities was that she was doing it when he was at work. She was at home. And she admitted to authorities she did it every day.
GRACE: This is a woman who has everything. She`s a wealthy socialite. She doesn`t even have to work, living in a mansion. Let`s take a look at that mansion. Whoa! In this wealthy enclave, and she`s running a child porn operation across the street from that kids` park, across the street from the children`s park!
Michael Christian, what else do we know?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, as you say, this woman -- they found 4,000 images on her computer. Now, that includes both still photos and video. She has a daughter. There is no evidence, however, and they do not suspect that her daughter was ever involved in any of these pornographic images.
GRACE: OK, well, I guess that is the one consolation. Joining me out of New York, psychologist Caryn Stark. Caryn, is pornography in general, and not just child porn -- is it addictive like a drug?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: It can be, Nancy. There`s no doubt that once you start really getting into pornography, people become addicted. But I want you to know it`s very unusual to find a woman in this situation. And it leads me to believe when someone is into porn that has children involved, that has to do with a very early fixation. They get oriented toward that kind of a charge very early on in their life.
GRACE: You know, it`s very rare -- back to Dan Koller, editor of the "Park Cities People." Dan, we -- and I have prosecuted typically men in child sex-related offenses. This is highly unusual, Dan.
KOLLER: Yes, people were really shocked about this. There`s no doubt that it`s very creepy that she was doing this in a house that`s directly across from a park where she could see kids out the window almost every day.
GRACE: What do we know about her husband, Dan?
KOLLER: We know that he`s an intellectual property attorney. We know he got his degrees from the University of Texas, and he has to be doing pretty well for himself if he`s affording to live in the Park Cities.
"The Dallas Morning News" reported that he attended Monday`s sentencing, and his mother-in-law told the newspaper that he remains loyal to Erika, regularly visiting her at the detention center, where she`s been held since she got kicked out of rehab.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Rhonda, Colorado. Hi, Rhonda. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I just want to say I`m so disgusted about that lady, perverted grandma, that had all those -- did all those pictures with those kids.
GRACE: It`s disgusting. And the thing is, I can`t show it, Rhonda, but there are thousands and thousands of pornographic images, all child porn. But they had toddlers, babies as young as 2 years old, 18 months, having full-blown sex with an adult, and somebody is taking the photo, men and -- boys and girls alike. And this socialite, living in a mansion, a million-dollar mansion, is running a child porn operation right there in downtown Texas. You know, it`s more than I can take in.
Caryn, do the child pornographers -- are they just immune to it? Are they numb to the pictures they`re seeing? They don`t understand that that is a child getting raped?
STARK: They don`t pay attention to that at all, Nancy, because they are driven by a desire that makes it exciting for them. I don`t think they`re numb at all. If anything, this is something that turns them on, which is -- why you mentioned her daughter. It`s a really good thing that her daughter was taken away from her.
GRACE: You know, Rita Cosby, How do we find these children? Because if we could find the children, they`ve got a heck of a lawsuit against her.
BUSH: You bet. Well, the Center for Missing and Exploited Children is trying to track down these kids. One of them they did locate, by the name of Vicky (ph), it goes by, and she has to pay $5,000 restitution to Vicky. They are trying to feverishly track down these other kids.
GRACE: Whoa, 4,000 images.
Everyone, when we come back, stunning news to women all over the country who want to look younger. Did a Long Beach, California, facelift therapist perform a deadly beauty treatment that ends up with a makeover at the morgue?
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GRACE: Live to Long Beach. Stunning news to women all over the country who want to look younger. A facelift therapist performs a so- called "vampire facelift," very popular after Kim Kardashian and fashion models like Bar Refaeli have them. They post photos of them. Did a Long Beach, California facelift therapist perform a deadly beauty treatment that ends with a makeover at the morgue?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirty-six-year-old Hamilet Suarez, the mother of a young son, went into cardiac arrest at this beauty salon in Long Beach and died.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandra Perez Gonzalez is a massage therapist. But according to police, the 45-year-old woman offered her clients cosmetic medical procedures she is not licensed to perform.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is very dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They say she offered lip and butt augmentation, as well as something called a "vampire facelift," a procedure that injects a person`s face with their own blood cells.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Beatriz Valenzuela, crime reporter with "Long Beach Press-Telegram." Beatriz, thank you for being with us. So what exactly is a "vampire facelift"?
BEATRIZ VALENZUELA, "LONG BEACH PRESS-TELEGRAPH" (via telephone): A vampire facelift is a cosmetic procedure where the patient`s blood is drawn, and it is processed and then reinjected into their face.
GRACE: OK, let me get this straight, because I`ve seen photos of Kim Kardashian, who`s just absolutely beautiful -- I`d like to see a beauty shot and the vampire facelift shot. And then there`s Leonardo DiCaprio`s ex, the Israeli model Bar Refaeli -- just stunning. They`ve posted photos of themselves.
When you say you take the person`s blood out and then you process it, what does that mean, you process it?
VALENZUELA: You know, I don`t know the exact procedure...
GRACE: Oh, hold on, Beatriz!
VALENZUELA: ... because I`m not a plastic surgeon.
GRACE: Beatriz Valenzuela with me. Hold on. I`m just being joined out of Los Angeles by Dr. Paul Nassif (ph), facial plastic and reconstructive surgeon. Doctor, thanks for being with us. What is -- technically speaking, what is a vampire facelift?
DR. PAUL NASSIF, FACIAL PLASTIC AND RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGEON: Hi, Nancy. A vampire facelift is what we do what you were talking about, taking the person`s blood. We spin it in a centrifuge and get all the platelets. The platelets have all kinds of growth factors. And basically, we inject that to stimulate collagen growth. But we also are using fillers at the same time. The fillers will give you the immediate fill on the face, and then the plasma (INAUDIBLE) will give you the long-term growth of collagen.
GRACE: OK, I think I understood that. You take the blood out, you use the platelets, and then you use that, combined with filler, and you inject that back into the patient because the body is less likely to reject that because it`s the person`s own blood, correct?
NASSIF: Yes. I mean, they`re two different things. The filler is going to give you the immediate result, like (INAUDIBLE) you know, you know, if you want to put it, for example, in your cheeks.
GRACE: Got it. With me, Dr. Paul Nassif, facial plastic and reconstructive surgeon, also taking your calls.
Now, back to Beatriz Valenzuela with "The Long Beach Press-Telegram." This particular woman, Sandra, Sandra we`re talking about, Sandra Perez Gonzalez -- Sandra is performing various beauty treatments, and I believe the one that came under fire in this investigation was augmentation, body augmentation.
What was she doing, Beatriz, that caused the death of the victim, Hamilet?
VALENZUELA: Well, what had happened is that the victim was having an augmentation procedure through injection. What body parts she was having augmented, that has not been released yet. And I just spoke to the coroner`s office this morning, and the cause of death has not been released yet, so it`s still a little premature to say that the procedure itself is what caused her Ms. Suarez`s death. But she did go into cardiac arrest either while having the treatment performed or immediately afterward.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Countless women would pour into the salon to receive buttocks augmentation injections at $1,000 a treatment from 45- year-old Sandra Perez Gonzalez.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And detectives say it was Ms. Gonzalez, a recently licensed massage therapist, who apparently gave an injection to Ms. Suarez.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have so many questions and we don`t have any answers.
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GRACE: Joining me, Dr. Paul Nassif, plastic surgeon and reconstructive surgeon. Doctor, question. When we say body augmentation - - because we know this woman was doing these vampire facelifts, number one, but she was also doing augmentation. What are you talking about? Is that when you plump up your lips or you get a big booty -- not to reference Kim Kardashian again. But when you inject yourself, what are you injecting, silicone?
NASSIF: Well, first of all, silicone is not FDA-approved, but there are things called pump parties (ph), and if you`re injecting silicone, for example, in the buttocks, which is popular in places like this, it could be very, very dangerous. Actually, any filler or fat can be dangerous when it`s injected into the buttock area.
GRACE: I mean, how many places do you have to get augmented? You`ve got your lips, you`ve got your chest, you`ve got your rear end. I mean, what are my choices? I`m trying to figure out what she was getting augmented.
NASSIF: Well, I mean, first of all, anywhere in the face. You can inject the temples, the lower eyes, the cheeks, the lips, the smile lines...
GRACE: Oh, you mean like fillers?
NASSIF: That`s fillers. Now, silicone actually is a filler, but the legal fillers are -- there`s hyleronic (ph) acids, and there`s many of them.
GRACE: So is an augmentation the same thing as a filler?
NASSIF: Augmentation means you`re just adding something, whether it`s an implant or a filler.
GRACE: OK. Unleash the lawyers, Brad Cohen, Louis Gainor. OK, Louis, here she is, Sandra Perez Gonzalez, performing these beauty treatments. She`s not licensed to do it. Her patient, Hamilet, is dead.
GAINOR: Well, accidents happen. There is a risk to every medical and cosmetic procedure, and if you assume the risk, that`s what happens. Listen, in this case...
GRACE: Wait. I thought that was going to run, You assume the risk...
GAINOR: ... she may not have been licensed.
GRACE: All right, so you`re saying...
GAINOR: You assume the risk, that`s right.
GRACE: ... accident. Bradford Cohen...
GAINOR: If I go get a haircut, there`s a risk that the barber might nip my ear, OK? That`s part of the risk.
GRACE: She`s dead, Louis.
GAINOR: When you -- when you...
GRACE: Don`t even compare...
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GRACE: ... a dead body. But you gave me a theory this time, as opposed to last time. OK, Bradford Cohen, what`s your defense? This is a dead body. This is a homicide.
COHEN: Right. It`s certainly not assumption of the risk. The better defense is whether or not this actually caused her death. She had a heart attack. It could be that she had...
GRACE: Put him up!
COHEN: ... some sort of medical condition before this happened.
GRACE: You know, I just heard you say she could have had a heart attack. Beatriz Venezuela joining me, crime reporter. The reality is, she has the augmentation and/or vampire facelift, which goes to the tune of about $1,500, and then she dies. Clearly -- I mean, you`re not going to be able to convince a jury the two were not connected.
Do you know, Beatriz, how soon after she has the beauty treatment that she dies?
VALENZUELA: No, I don`t have that information. What I do know is that when she went into cardiac arrest, the paramedics were called out. And it was the paramedics who contacted the police when they found that something was suspicious about the medical emergency.
GRACE: Wow!
Everybody, when we come back, the mystery surrounding Malaysia flight 370, 239 passengers and crew just vanish into thin air? Tonight, is there a cover-up?
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GRACE: Tonight the mystery surrounding Malaysia flight 370. 239 passengers and crew just vanish into thin air? As we learned, the flight abruptly veers off course, and a mystery "good night" from the pilot? Is there a cover-up?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody reprogrammed the plane`s flight path at least 12 minutes before it`s believed the co-pilot signed off.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Data was deleted from Captain Shah`s homemade flight simulator.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The transponder was turned off. Radar showed that plane made a sharp turn west.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn`t spontaneous. It seemed to have at least some planning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything seems to be pointing in the direction of a criminal investigation.
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GRACE: Straight out to Marty Savidge, CNN correspondent. Marty, it becomes more and more curious, what we are hearing, and another thing I don`t understand, Martin, is that I believe that a black box simulator emits a ping for 30 days. So why can`t we at least find the black box?
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Okay, a couple things there, Nancy. First of all, I`ll tell you where we are. We are outside Toronto, Canada, and this is a simulator, a cockpit simulator of a 777, the same kind of aircraft that the 370 was that`s now missing. Mitchell Casado (ph) is a pilot.
We should say that the black box you`re talking about of course is the device that records everything that happened to the airplane when whatever happened to it. The problem is, we don`t know where the plane is right now, and that box is with the plane. If it`s in the water and if that box is pinging, as you say, putting out this kind of emission that can be picked up on sonar, first you have to know where it is to look. And that`s the problem. They don`t know where to look. The area where this plane was lost is so geographically huge, it could include all the way to Kazakhstan or all the way down to Australia. So there is a massive effort under way by 26 nations to try to locate that wreckage, if in fact, the plane crashed, but right now we don`t even know that for certain. But of course it doesn`t look good because it`s been missing for so long.
GRACE: That is another thing I do not understand. I just happened to have come from spring break, Marty, with my children at JFK Space Center. And I`ve been thinking that we could put a whole space lab up in the air for six months with people living in space, and we can`t find this plane? It doesn`t make sense to me. And then we hear that other countries spotted on their radar, they spotted the plane, but they didn`t tell anybody about that until days after? You know, Martin, I truly believe that they did that because they don`t want the rest of the world to know the defects in their security systems. That`s what I think. But how has that hindered things?
SAVIDGE: I think that you`re absolutely right. From the flying public`s perception, not necessarily professional pilots, we always thought that every plane no matter where you were, and I just did a trip coming back from Australia, you always figure you`re on somebody`s radar or somebody was watching you by a satellite or controlling or tracking you to always know where you are. How is it that a jumbo jet in this modern day and age can vanish? That`s why this story is so captivating to so many people. We now find out there are places on the earth where big, modern planes can disappear, that radars don`t necessarily follow the same kind of things at the same time, different countries, different procedures, on and on and on. But you`re right. You put your finger on what is the real issue here, that most people had no idea that in this day and age, a jetliner could simply vanish. And you can bet there will be a lot of calls for change on that.
GRACE: And another thing -- I want to go to -- try to stay with me, Marty. With me, Marty Savidge, CNN correspondent. But very quickly, I want to go to John Goglia, former board member of the NTSB, aviation safety expert. You know, when I get on a plane, I just assume that my pilot is not actually related to the opposing party leader sitting in jail, which this pilot was. That`s a concern to me.
JOHN GOGLIA, FORMER NTSB MEMBER: Well, I mean, in this country, we have a political system and you will never know who your pilot`s party affiliation is. It shouldn`t make any difference at all.
GRACE: To -- also with me is Jim Tilmon, CNN aviation analyst and retired American Airlines pilot.
Captain, thank you for being with us. Jim Tilmon also taking your calls. Jim, when I get on a plane and I`ve got my two six-year-olds with me on either side of me, you know, maybe I`m bamboozled, but I trust the pilots. I take a look at them, I try to speak to them if I can, and I trust them. This is scary to me that you could have a pilot that is strung out of his mind, he`s in the middle of a divorce, like this pilot. Angry, upset, distraught. Let me get down to the brass tacks. He said "good night." I think it was about 12 minutes after the Malaysian flight veers off course. Is good night, is that a typical transmission from a pilot?
TILMON: No, it`s not typical, but it`s not alarming, either. I mean, I don`t know what the conversation was like between the pilot and the air traffic controllers up to that moment. They may have been having a nice little chat session in the middle of the night, and then rather than give the normal report just says, okay, all right, good night. And they would follow.
Nancy, we`ve been dealing with bits and pieces of information from the very beginning. We`re not ever getting quite the whole story. I would really like to know what that conversation was up to that point. It would help us to understand something more about this. We`re caught in between was the pilot getting ready to do something really criminal and awful? Was he coerced somehow with a gun in his ear? Or were they just inept? Or what? Have you ever listened to the communication from a cockpit of an airplane that was doomed to crash, in really difficult straits, and listen to the quality of the voice and how calm and relaxed it sounds?
GRACE: That`s true.
TILMON: OK. That`s how pilots communicate. We`re trained to do that. One of the first things you do in an emergency is slow down, think. This whole business about putting too much faith in that, I don`t go there.
GRACE: With me, right now, Clive Irving, contributor to the Daily Beast. Senior consulting editor, Conde Nest Traveler. Clive, what can you tell me about the timeline here and about the Malaysian government?
IRVING: I think one thing that will make people more scared than they need to be -- apart from the fact that the most scary thing about it is the chaotic handling of the press statements each day. But one thing that will unnecessarily precount (ph) people is if this whole thing is criminalized from the beginning. There has been an attempt clearly by the Malaysian authorities to impugn in some way, to take fragments of factual knowledge we have about this situation, and impugn either the pilots or passengers if they were potential skyjackers.
GRACE: Clive, we`re just getting an update. Martin Savidge, now I understand the good night. They`ve pinpointed it may have been before the plane changes course. How does that change things?
SAVIDGE: It`s believed that what is being said, as you said, is the all right, good night. Actually, what is happening, you have to understand where we were, and we`re actually flying the same route. But at that time, they were transitioning from Malaysian air space to Vietnamese air space. To do that, you have the Malaysian air traffic controller telling the plane, all right, we`re saying goodbye to you. You`re switching over to Vietnamese air traffic control frequency, and that`s when the co-pilot allegedly says in response, "all right, good night." In other words, very matter of fact and very typical. But then you have the course change. That was not typical. Because this course change is at least I believe 120 degrees veering sharply from the course that should have been continuing on to Beijing.
The reason we don`t know is why that course change. It was preprogrammed in, by about 12 minute, as you point out, and that can be easily done, using this particular device. This is the flight management system, and it`s very easy here, Mitchell can maybe demonstrate on his unit how to do it. But it`s literally a series of key strokes that turn the plane, and we still don`t know why. Were they threatened, was it an emergency, or something else?
GRACE: Everyone, when we come back, firefighters refuse to cross the street to save a dying victim.
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GRACE: In a stunning discovery, we learned firefighters refuse to cross the street to save a dying dad. We want answers.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just felt helpless in my city.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 77-year-old Cecil Mills collapsed right across the street from the fire station. His daughter said they could see a firefighter watching the chaos, but he refused to help them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I even ran to the curb and said, are you going to help me or are you going to let my dad die?
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GRACE: Rita Cosby, I`m sick. I`ve worked with a lot of firefighters in arson investigations, and they were impeccable. What happened?
COSBY: This is a horrible story. 77-year-old Cecil Mills was shopping at a shopping center, went into cardiac arrest. He was with his family. And the family said, hold on, hold on, there is a fire department right across the street, station 15. The daughter frantically knocked on the door and begged for help, and they refused to come.
GRACE: What excuse did they give, Rita, as to why they wouldn`t cross the street to save a dying dad? And he died. It`s not that he was dying. He died.
COSBY: First the rookie firefighter who answered the door said, wait a minute, let me check with my supervisor to see if I can answer the call. Can you imagine the daughter just frantically banging on the door and begging for help? Then when that rookie firefighter came back, he said, my lieutenant said no, we`re not allowed to do it, we need an official call from 911. And when the call came from 911, they sent it to the wrong address, not even to that fire station, and it took 20 minutes.
GRACE: Rita, I don`t know if you remember this or not, but in my last book that came out, we were having a book thing here in New York, I think you were there, and my father, who is a heart patient, fell out. Can I tell you how fast New York police, firefighters, they didn`t care, everybody converged to try to save him. And he was saved. You know, Clark Goldband, this is making me just sick. This man is dying, his daughter is banging on the firehouse door that`s basically right down the street. They refused to help him, and he lays there and dies.
GOLDBAND: Nancy, it`s even perhaps actually closer than down the street. Take a look behind me. From the shopping center over here to the fire station, we`re talking 260 feet. Put that in perspective, that`s not even a football field. And Nancy, more than one person, according to reports, making the pleas for help, desperate pleas for help, but there seemed to be some sort of miscommunication inside the firehouse. Someone asked--
GRACE: A miscommunication? Clark, did you just say -- that does not connect to me. The woman is banging on the door, my father is dying, and you said there is a miscommunication?
GOLDBAND: Yes. Well, you know, Nancy, here`s what we`ve seen. This new firefighter, he goes upstairs to ask what to do.
GRACE: That`s not a miscommunication.
GOLDBAND: They don`t respond, the speakers aren`t working --
GRACE: Can`t hear you. Can`t hear you.
GOLDBAND: I`m just telling you that they --
GRACE: Dr. Michelle Dupre, could you talk to Clark, please, who is a young man -- what is he, 25 -- about how important minutes are when your father is having a heart attack?
DUPRE: Nancy, minutes are crucial when you`re having a heart attack. Every minute delay can cause further damage to the heart muscle. They are critical. The faster the better.
GRACE: Dr. Dupre, the fact that, and you`ve seen this in your practice, medical examiner, pathologist out of Columbia, when you have a heart attack and it`s very traumatic. The person falls, they turn purple, they can`t breathe, they`re sweating, they pass out. It`s a terrible thing for those around. Clark, you called it a miscommunication, but those minutes, Dr. Dupre, when they`re running up and down to see if they can save the man, if they are allowed to do their job? It could have cost his life.
DUPRE: It`s hard to believe, Nancy. I`m just stunned.
GRACE: With me right now by phone, firefighter Robert Rowe. Hi, Robert, thank you for being with us. I`d like to hear what you have to say.
ROBERT ROWE, FIREFIGHTER: Well, you know, there is an expectation to the public for fire service to respond in a reasonable fashion properly. That`s what we do, serve the public. I don`t know the circumstances as to why there was a delay, but nonetheless, there is what they call a station still alarm, which means that people can come to your door and request assistance. You have to call it in to your dispatch and let them know you`re on the run, and at that point you respond appropriately.
GRACE: You know, Robert, your record is beyond compare. And hearing the way you explain that, so they could have answered the call. They just have to send the radio transmission that they`re on the way. Horrific and still waiting to see the outcome of that, a firefighter refusing to cross the street to render assistance to save a dad, with the daughter banging on the door for help.
When we come back, a computer wiz extorts nude photos from dozens of girls as young as 14. Including Miss Teen USA.
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GRACE: And now live, Temecula, California, a computer science wiz extorts nude photos from dozens of girls as young as 14. Including Miss Teen USA. And this is how he does it, somehow hacks into your computer and takes control of your webcam by remote.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was cyber hacked and cyber terrorized.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Teen Usa Cassidy Wolf is involved in an extortion scandal that she says has rocked her to the core.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had no idea.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jared Abrahams (ph) is accused of hacking into women`s computers, hijacking their web cams, photographing them as they change clothes, then using the naked pictures as blackmail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This does happen and it can happen to anybody.
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GRACE: To Cliff Albert, investigative reporter, I`m not quite sure how he did it, but he hacks into your computer, gets control of your webcam, and then basically catches pictures of young girls including Miss Teen USA naked, changing clothes, doing whatever, then says what, hey, I`m going to release these unless you strip for me? I mean, how did it work, Cliff?
ALBERT: That`s exactly what he does. He uses a malicious software they discovered back last summer when they first got the complaint from Cassidy up in Temecula that something was wrong with her social networks, and she then was contacted by this guy. They looked into the computer and they tracked him down using IP address and software. This guy uses an online handle Cute Fuzzy Puppy is what Jared Abrahams calls himself. What he does is basically use this malicious software, and he takes control of your laptop, and he can go back and check your key strokes using this software and track down where you go, what you do, turn on the camera, turn off the camera. And he can basically take control of laptop computers and any computer that he can hack into. He did this with like -- the prosecutors say between 100 and 150 laptop computers he took control of at one time or another. He tried to extort some dozen young girls.
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GRACE: What really hits me, Cliff, Cliff Albert with me and we`re about to be joined by computer forensic expert John Lucich. But Justin Freiman, isn`t it true, he was doing it to one little girl and she was going, I`m just 14 years old. Do I have to show my face? Isn`t that true?
FREIMAN: He would tell them he doesn`t care and we`d tell them they have to strip for him on a Skype session even.
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GRACE: I don`t quite understand how this computer wiz could get control of somebody`s computer, then use their own web cam to spy on them. John Lucich joining me from Union, you`re the computer expert. How does that work?
LUCICH: Well, all you have to do is send you an e-mail with software infected into the e-mail. When you click on anything -- and they make it easy to make it click on -- and that installs something on your computer where they can then control that computer from anywhere in the world, including placing a -- turning on your webcam and looking at it.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, back it up, John Lucich. When you get e-mails from people you don`t know, and you open it up, if you click on anything within that e-mail like a site, then that is how they get into your computer?
LUCICH: Yes, it`s called a self-extracting, self-installing utility that actually gives them remote control of your computer from anywhere in the world. I`ve been telling people for more than ten years, stop clicking.
GRACE: Cliff Albert, how did he get into Miss Teen USA`s computer?
ALBERT: Well, they went to high school together. They went to the same high school in Temecula. What he did was he used that software to get control of her computer, then he took control of her Facebook and Twitter page and actually was able to install on her Twitter page a new profile photo of her, seminude. And she said that she was aware that somebody was doing something on her social networks, and that`s when it caught her attention.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember American hero, Marine Sergeant Cesar Ruiz. 26, San Antonio, Texas. Second tour. Purple Heart. Loved brick laying with his father. Parents Jose and Maria, five siblings, widow Kimberly, son Joshua. Cesar Ruiz, American hero. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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