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Possible Flight 370 Debris Found in Indian Ocean; Two Girls Missing; Tot Dies in House Fire; Teacher and Mom of 3 Walks Free on Child Sex; Interview with Dicc Klann

Aired March 20, 2014 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Breakthrough. Has Malaysia flight 370 been located, the mystery surrounding the flight where 239 passengers and crew vanished into thin air? Bombshell tonight. As we learn the flight abruptly veers off course and a mystery "Good night" from the pilot, is there a cover-up? And is there a breakthrough? We go live for latest.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Co-pilot told air traffic control, "All right, good night."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search area is so vast.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two pieces of debris.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Satellite imagery of objects.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New incredible information has come to light.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Possibly, possibly from flight 370.

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GRACE: And tonight, not one but two missing children gone, 8-year-old Relisha, with a family friend baby-sitting -- she`s gone, believed to be in danger. And to North Carolina, a 15-year-old last seen walking down street to a friend`s house. Where is Danielle?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for an 8-year-old girl who has gone missing from Washington, D.C. Police say the little Relisha Rudd could be in need of medication. It`s urgent that she is found. The little girl is just 8 years old, 4 feet tall, weighing 70 to 80 pounds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Danielle left to visit a friend up the street. She never arrived. Police, firefighters, K9s -- they all searched the area -- nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do not know at this particular time what...

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GRACE: And to Colorado, a little 2-year-old toddler, Levi (ph), found dead after a house fire. But tonight, police honing in on Mom and Dad.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire burning inside this bedroom traps 2-year-old Levi Welton (ph) in the closet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And his parents are being blamed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was just so many flames, and Levi was screaming!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lost my -- pretty much my world. I don`t even know where I`m at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the toddler was found with the pot component THC in his system.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And Pennsylvania suburbs, a married mother of three, a high school math teacher busted teaching a lot more than arithmetic, 33-year-old Erica Jennetty (ph) accused of sex assault on a boy student she allegedly stalked at the school dance (ph). Not only does the alleged child predator go home on bail, she`s even allowed to take off her GPS tracking device. Why? She says it`s inconvenient.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s a teacher, a married mom of three, but authorities say she sent sexual photos and videos to one of her students.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pair then had sex in a car not far away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocking. Very shocking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a line that you can`t cross, and it`s your responsibility to make sure that you don`t cross that line.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. Breakthrough. Has Malaysia flight 370 been located? We go live for the latest. First to CNN correspondent Martin Savidge. Martin, what do you know?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, the big information is that satellite imagery has apparently picked up two large objects in the area where it is felt that -- is the focus of the search effort, two very big pieces. The thing is, though, the satellite imagery does not clearly identify what they are. It`s only thought perhaps this could be wreckage from the missing airliner.

But they need to get a visual verification on that. The only way to really get out there is by sending out navy aircraft, and Australia has been doing that, the problem is, in that area all day today, the weather has been very bad, very treacherous, and so far, they have -- the aircraft, that is, has not located the pieces. They`re continuing to try to look. So it`s not confirmed.

For investigators, a sign of hope because they need the pieces to begin to put together the puzzle. But so far, no positive ID.

GRACE: With me, Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent. Martin, here`s the thing. China burst onto the scene saying, Oh, we found it. But the Australian PM -- prime minister -- was much more cautious in saying that, Maybe possibly we found something that could be the wreckage.

It`s basically in a no-man`s land. It`s not on a shipping route. It`s way -- in fact, if you wanted to wreck a plane and not be found, this is where to go, right?

SAVIDGE: Correct. It is. And keep in mind that this wreck would have happened nearly two weeks ago now, which means, obviously, any debris has drifted, and depending on the currents and the weather, could have drifted a long, long way. So just because you find pieces -- and again, it`s not confirmed -- doesn`t mean that you have found the wreck site. You need the wreck site because that`s where the black boxes are. So it is still way too premature. The Australians were right to be cautious.

GRACE: Everybody, we are showing you a mock-up of where the wreckage is believed to be.

Martin, can you tell me why this is basically a no-man`s land? I mean, it`s so far out, it`s my understanding that when pilots took off from the tip of Australia, it took them four hours just to get to the debris.

SAVIDGE: Yes, let me kind of show you on this map that we have here. It`s a rough idea of where we are simulated to be flying, because remember, this plane -- we`ve loaded up in the simulator to be just like 370. We`re right down by where this pin drop (ph) is, and according to our coordinates, we`re about 1,600 miles away from Perth, which is right there. The flight originated up here at Kuala Lumpur.

So you can see the wide open ocean gets even more wide open. There`s no land there. There`s no -- not even really islands in the area. It`s very difficult to find anyplace other than water for this plane to land. Winds are extreme. Currents are extreme. The weather is extreme. It`s about the ends of the earth.

GRACE: You know, Marty, it seems as if it`s a horrible hazard just trying to go do the rescue or the search mission. Martin, don`t move.

Joining me right now, Bernie Rayno, senior meteorologist at Accuweather. Bernie, thanks again for being with us. The weather is going to complicate the search. And what can you tell me about trying to search with those incredible ocean currents?

BERNIE RAYNO, SENIOR METEOROLOGIST, ACCUWEATHER (via telephone): You know, I mean, you were talking about if you wanted to -- it`s in the middle of nowhere. It`s also in an area -- they call it the "roaring 40s" in that part of the world because of the strong storms that you typically get there.

Now, the currents are at the moment relatively light. But there`s all kind of complicated little eddies and circulations around there. So that`s certainly going to complicate things. I do believe, in the overall scope of things, the current and waves are going to be relatively light, compared to what they could be, at least for the next couple of days, but that will change early next week.

GRACE: With me, Bernie Rayno, senior meteorologist, Accuweather. Martin, I know you could hear what the Rayno just said. Weigh in on -- you know, now that they spotted this, just even getting there has been so incredibly difficult. The weather awful, the currents there in the ocean incredible. What are they doing?

SAVIDGE: I mean, the odds are very difficult. You know, they are on completely the different day side of cycle from us, so they need daylight to really search. But even when an airplane spots it, they`re going to want to get ahold of that, which means somebody`s going to have to go out there. I mean, ships have got to coordinate with the aircraft to get on site through that difficult weather and through the waves.

There is a Norwegian ship in the area. It might be vectored there, but they`ll want to pick up the pieces, not just look at them. It`s really difficult and likely to take a long time.

GRACE: With me also, everyone, Nate Rawlings, correspondent with "Time" magazine. Nate, weigh in.

NATE RAWLINGS, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Thanks for having me. Well, I agree with everything that Martin has said. This is a really desolate part of the ocean in order to try to find these two pieces of debris. But it`s important that one of them is as large as it is. And it`s important for two reasons. At 78 feet, that`s larger than most of your average shipping containers, so it suggests that it`s not something that fell off a ship and then happened to drift down into this part of the ocean. But it is large enough to where it could easily be a piece of the fuselage or even an entire wing of that aircraft.

GRACE: OK, whoa-whoa, whoa-whoa! That`s something I hadn`t thought of, Nate Rawlings. Martin, he`s saying that the size of this debris is inconsistent with something falling off of a ship?

SAVIDGE: It`s possible, yes. I mean, size certainly matters in this particular case when you measure up against what other things could be of that size, that might be in that region, such as containers that fall off of shipping vessels, and any other debris. And trust me, the ocean is full of it.

So something of this size suggests, just as you heard, maybe it is part of a wing. Could it be the tail? Sounds large, or too large for the tail. But certainly for a wing, it`s possible, or a significant portion of the fuselage. We just don`t know until somebody besides the satellite gets a good look.

GRACE: Nate Rawlings, "Time" magazine, there are reports the Israeli Defense Forces are revamping flight security after this. What do you know about that?

RAWLINGS: Right. Well, the minute that this plane went missing and it wasn`t immediately found, Israeli security forces were going to be looking at their own air defense measures. Now, they`ve done a lot of -- they`ve had a lot of effort that`s covert, meaning that they won`t let anyone know exactly what they`ve done. The only overt measure that we know about is that they`re going to be asking for flights to identify themselves earlier, before entering Israeli airspace.

Israel is one of the toughest countries to get into. It`s one of the toughest countries to fly over. So they`re on high alert just in case this was a terror attack, where the pilots did try to steal the plane and land it somewhere surreptitiously. And so they`re probably going to be continuing those measures in the coming weeks.

GRACE: You know, let`s play off what Nate Rawlings was just telling us -- Nate Rawlings, "Time" magazine. I want to go to Justin Green, aviation lawyer and private pilot. Justin, I`ve been thinking a lot about the way the pilot took a sudden turn off course, OK? What does that mean to you? And what about the discovery of this debris sticks out in your mind, Justin?

JUSTIN GREEN, AVIATION ATTORNEY, PRIVATE PILOT: Well, the turn off course says one of two things. One is they were facing an emergency. And pilots, you have to understand, Nancy, are taught to aviate, navigate and then communicate. So they could have an emergency, made the turn, and they used the autopilot to make the turn, which tells me it`s somebody -- it`s one of the pilots or it`s somebody who came into the cockpit who knows a real lot about this airplane.

So they make the turn, something then disables them, and the airplane continues flying. The only other scenario that I think is relatively believable is one or both of the pilots diverted the airplane on purpose.

GRACE: You know, that seems to me -- let me go to Mark Weiss and go with what Justin Green was just telling us, Mark -- CNN aviation analyst, former American Airlines pilot. Mark, to get both pilots in on turning the plane off course? That`s a pretty big stretch, Mark. But I think Justin is right, you`d have to have both of them in on it if it was intentional on the pilot`s part, Mark.

MARK WEISS, FMR. AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOT, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, we`re making the assumption that it was the pilots, and you brought up the point before that it could have been somebody who has already gotten into the cockpit. To make that turn, it could have been with the pilots under distress.

GRACE: Right.

WEISS: So, you know, it`s very difficult. You know, with the gyrations that seem to have had or at least have been reported, that could also indicate a struggle in the cockpit. For all we know, one or both of the pilots either may have been compromised or struggling to save the aircraft.

GRACE: You`re right. You`re right about that, Mark Weiss. Justin Green, we know they had contact, Justin. Why didn`t the pilots say anything? Why didn`t they transmit an emergency mayday, if something was going on?

GREEN: Well, Martin -- what he just said is absolutely right. We don`t know. I imagine you could turn on your TV and find out every theory in the book, and I bet you somebody is right because probably somebody guessed what we ultimately will find out what happened. But if it was a struggle in the cockpit, they may not have been able to make the call. If it was an emergency, if it was a fire that disabled them too quickly, before they could make the call, they wouldn`t have time to make the call. Right now, what we do know is they made the turn. Hopefully, when they find the wreckage, we`ll find out why.

GRACE: Clark Goldband, what do you know about the size of the plane?

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, we`re looking at some -- a few scenarios here, one positive, one negative. Let`s start with the positive. You see behind me those two numbers in yellow, 79 feet and 16 feet. Those are the size of the pieces of possible debris. Take a look at this, guys. Right in here, this place in two sections is about 200 feet each. Therefore, it is possible this could be a piece of those planes. The tail, Nancy, also comes in at 61 feet.

But let me give you this. There is also this strange phenomenon I just learned about this afternoon called garbage islands. And what happens out in this wide open spaces in the ocean is trash, old shipping containers come together and form this circle pile of trash. It`s possible this could be a garbage island. Authorities just can`t determine because it`s undergoing horrible weather right now. You see the size of this search area, and it is about four hours flying time off the coast of Australia.

GRACE: Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent, are the searchers are in the area -- I mean, certainly, if they`re there, Martin, they can tell us whether they`re seeing something thrown off of a ship or that fell off, a garbage island. Can`t they look and see? Aren`t they there? Can`t they tell us what they`re seeing?

SAVIDGE: Right, yes, they can, when they find it. And they haven`t found it. The airplanes haven`t found the satellite imagery. Apparently, the ship that is there has also not been able to find it. So no one has been able to see these two items that were picked up, remember, on satellite. It`s only the satellite so far that`s seen it. They vectored into that area. They have searched, but they admit the weather conditions there were very bad today, and nobody saw it.

GRACE: For those of you that feel this is all the way on the other side of the world, which it is, look at this. That is a mother! That is a mother screaming to find out what has become of her child.

To all of you out there that love your family like she does, let`s send up our prayers tonight to find the missing flight.

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GRACE: And tonight, two missing children gone. First, 8-year-old Relisha with a family friend baby-sitting. Tonight, she`s gone, believed to be in danger. And to North Carolina, a 15-year-old girl last seen walking just down the street to a friend`s house. Where is Danielle?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) police are asking the public`s help to find Danielle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was just so many things that we had plans for, that we were both excited about, and this does not make any sense!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for little Relisha has led police to a Maryland motel, but still no sign of the missing 8-year-old.

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GRACE: Tonight, we want to find two missing children. On your right, you see an 8-year-old little girl, Relisha Rudd. On your left, teen Danielle Locklear, last seen just walking to her little friend`s house. There you can see, white female, long black hair, green eyes. And look at this little 8-year-old girl. She`s only 4 feet tall. She`s just 70 pounds.

First, straight out to Dan O`Donnell, anchor with WISN. What can you tell me about Relisha?

DAN O`DONNELL, NEWSTALK 1130 WISN (via telephone): Well, Relisha, as you said, Nancy, an 8-year-old girl who was last seen after her mother dropped her off when the mother had to be admitted to the hospital. She dropped Relisha off with a family friend. That was weeks ago. She hasn`t been seen since.

GRACE: You know, Dan O`Donnell, what I don`t understand is, this child has been gone for a couple of weeks now but wasn`t reported missing?

O`DONNELL: As I understand it, yes. All reports indicate that she had actually been missing from school since about February 26th, but wasn`t reported missing by her mother`s fiance until after she had been gone for at least a week or two.

GRACE: Marc Klaas joining me now, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You know, Marc, you always tell us that very often, it`s a family member, extended family member, friend of the family that takes children. What`s disturbing about this case on so many levels, this child has not been in school for weeks, but nobody reported her missing.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Yes, that`s absolutely a problem. And the statistics, Nancy, take us right to that fact, that in what, 85 percent of the cases, it`s something that`s very close to the family or a family member that is responsible for either harm to the family or for kidnapping the child. And obviously this is a very convoluted case that`s needed much more attention than it received much sooner.

GRACE: You know what? You`re so right Marc Klaas. I understand that a vehicle is attached to the Amber Alert. Tip line on Relisha, 202-727-9099. The vehicle -- let`s see a mock-up, Liz -- black Honda Accord, plates E- elephant-N-nancy-2051. There is a red -- it`s a Red Chevy Trailblazer with Washington Redskins decal on rear window. OK? Got that? Let`s see it, Liz. D.C. plate EN-2051.

Quickly, I want to go to Danielle Locklear. She was on the way to visit a little friend. Joining me right now is her aunt, Chena Papa. Ma`am, thank you for being with us. Danielle has never gone missing before. What -- I mean, when did you first learn that she was gone?

CHENA PAPA, AUNT OF DANIELLE LOCKLEAR (via telephone): Well, first, Nancy, I want to thank you for bringing attention to (INAUDIBLE) She went missing March 11th. It was a Tuesday and it was around -- a little after 9, my dad said, around (INAUDIBLE) 45.

GRACE: And?

PAPA: And, well, earlier that day, I had seen her as I -- excuse me, we were about to go to Atlanta, me and my mother, and I seen Danielle come downstairs, and she walked out the door. And it seemed a little late, but you know, she`s usually...

GRACE: She was just going down the street to see her little friend, correct?

PAPA: That was Tuesday night, yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Oh! OK, everybody, we`re talking about Danielle Locklear, 5-1, 150 pounds, green eyes, Hope Mills, North Carolina, last seen. Tip line 910- 425-4103.

Dan O`Donnell, anchor, WISN, what more can you tell me?

O`DONNELL: Well, police have been concentrating their search -- in addition to going door to door in the neighborhood, they`ve been concentrating their search on the Lazy Acres RV park. That`s a popular hangout on the banks of a creek nearby the grandparents` home, from where Danielle disappeared. And in fact, they did find a couple of articles of her clothing near that RV park...

GRACE: Uh-oh!

O`DONNELL: ... just a couple days...

GRACE: OK, that`s not good.

O`DONNELL: ... after she disappeared.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say little Relisha Rudd could be in need of medication. It`s urgent that she is found. The search is on for the little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Danny (ph), as everyone calls her, is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you please know where my daughter is (INAUDIBLE)

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GRACE: OK, you know what? If you can look at that mom crying and it doesn`t hurt your heart, then you need to go to a shrink right now. That`s the mom of Danielle Locklear.

I want to -- I just got news on Relisha Rudd, everybody. We`re now looking, for the Amber Alert, a white `76 GMC truck, Maryland plate 305- 015. Repeat, a white `76 GM truck, Maryland plate 305-015. That`s with the 8-year-old little girl, Relisha.

Now, switching back to Danielle Locklear. Let me see her picture. The little girl walking down the street -- that picture, that is the one police are using. Hold on that, Liz. Tip line 910-425-4103.

Back to her aunt, Chena Papa. Ma`am, thank you again for being with us. How far away was the little friend`s house to which she was walking?

PAPA: It`s just right at the end of our block, just a couple of houses over.

GRACE: You know, Dan O`Donnell, you were just telling us that the Lazy Acre park has become a point of interest. You`re saying that some of her clothing has been found there? Was it the clothing she was wearing at the time she went missing?

O`DONNELL: Well, police have been relatively tight-lipped about that. In fact, they haven`t said much about why they have kept returning to the Lazy Acres RV park. But it is believed that, yes, it was very likely that it was some of the articles of clothing that she was wearing at the time.

GRACE: Everyone, tip line for Danielle Locklear, 910-425-4103. Take a look at this girl, Danielle Locklear. Please, help us bring her and 8- year-old Relisha Rudd home to their mothers.

When we come back, everyone, a little 2-year-old toddler, Levi, found dead after a house fire. But tonight, police honing in on Mom and Dad.

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GRACE: And now to Colorado. A little 2-year-old toddler Levi found dead after a house fire. But tonight, police honing in on mom and dad.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It is a home where a 2-year-old lost his life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I looked through the window, I could just see the whole bed was on fire and I could hear him crying.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Levi died in his bedroom when a fire broke out and he crawled into a closet to hide.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A 2-year-old who tested positive for the marijuana component THC.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to mourn my son without all those rumors.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Levi`s parents --

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GRACE: Straight out to Randy Corporon, talk show host, 560 Denver.

Randy, thank you for being with us. The children, the little dead boy who crawled into a closet to save himself from the fire had pot in his system?

RANDY CORPORON, TALK SHOW HOST, 560 DENVER: Yes, these children, both of them. He had a 5-year-old brother, too, who survived the fire but these children had tested twice at least for THC, the active component of marijuana.

GRACE: You know, I don`t understand it. It is also my understanding, Randy, that CPS, Child Protective Services, had been looking at these children and left them in the home. Now he`s dead?

CORPORON: Yes, these children were removed temporarily back in November, but were returned. And there was supposed to be a safety plan in place where the department checked on them, where the parents reported who were - - what other people visited the home, but fire happens and we`ve got a 2- year-old baby who is dead.

GRACE: You know, here`s my next question, to Robert Rowe, fire expert with Pyrocop Inc.

Robert, you know, I`ve handled a lot of arson cases. Have you studied the way this fire started?

ROBERT ROWE, FIRE EXPERT, PYROCOP, INC.: Well, based on what I`ve read so far, the investigators that were that arrived on scene, they conducted their investigation and created or determine that the area of origin was in a pile of clothing and blankets. And then the next thing they had to do was identify an ignition source of which I understand it was a lighter that they had found.

So with that said, putting the two and two together and then not only that but having young children, ages under 6 years of age, there are statistics that most home structure fires are caused with children playing with fire. So that is something that --

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GRACE: Well, you know, what concerns me, Robert, and I want to throw this to you, Michael Christian. The children were passed out on pot. OK. Not totally passed out because the little boy knew enough to try to crawl in the closet and hide. Why, if he was trying to get away from a fire that he started with a lighter, which I think would be very hard for a 6-year-old to do in a pile of clothes, why didn`t he just run out of the room? Why did he go hide in the closet?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You know, I`m not sure of the answer that, Nancy. But I can tell you that the parents here, they were having a party in the house at the time. Now these little boys were in their bedroom and they were unattended but these parents were having a party. There were several people at the house at the time and according to sources, several of those people were smoking marijuana.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. What is your take?

KLAAS: Well, first of all, I don`t think that smoking pot necessarily makes somebody a bad person but these children certainly should have been supervised, they were living in an unhappy --

GRACE: Marc, I appreciate your opinions on pot, but I`m talking about a dead child that died in a house fire trying to hide and save himself in a closet. He`s the age of my twins. While mommy and daddy downstairs are having a pot party. You know, I`m just trying to figure out why this boy is dead.

KLAAS: Well, as I was saying, they were living in unsanitary conditions, they were not being supervised on a regular basis. They had tested positive for THC on more than one occasion. Pills were found in the house. There was a lighter in the room where the fire occurred. Obviously these children -- these parents had no business raising children in the first place.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Jeff Gold and Shireen Hormozdi.

OK, Shireen, in my mind they might as well have started the fire themselves, you know, and I`m not that sure that they didn`t but you leave your child alone while you`re having a pot party downstairs, your kid tested several times having pot in the system, now he`s dead in a house fire. You know amazingly the parents lived through.

SHIREEN HORMOZDI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the prosecution is going to have a tough time proving child abuse resulting in death. If this fire was accidental and the child was in the closet, and the parents didn`t have an opportunity to save him, they can`t prove that the parents cause the death.

GRACE: Jeff Gold, we all are familiar with felony murder, which would be, in this case, child abuse, and a resulting death of the child is the death in relation to the felony. Thoughts?

JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it -- I think it`s a stretch here, Nancy. I do think the state is responsible for this. Another case where the state had every opportunity to save these children and let these children down. What kind of safety net do we have when we have a state that specifically is meant to protect children and let this happen?

I think it`s a stretch as to the parents in this particular case because we don`t know what happened. But, gee, what is going on with the state?

GRACE: You know, Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers."

Bethany, have you noticed that the defense attorneys always try to blame the state? The state wasn`t the one down in the den getting high on pot with their friends. The state isn`t the one that these children forced these children to be tested positive for pot several times. They are not the ones that left them alone upstairs to die. The little boy dead.

But the parents managed to save themselves? It`s not the state`s fault. It is true CPS needs to be strung up but the parents are responsible here.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Nancy, and not only that, the state is not responsible for the fact that one of these little boys was found with white pills clutched in his hands. A CPS worker went to the house to do a home visitation and observed the mother flicking ashes on the carpet and the mother wasn`t even aware that she was doing it, she was so high. That is maternal neglect.

GRACE: Everyone, when we come back, a married mother of three, high school math teacher, busted teaching a lot more than arithmetic, accused of sex assault on a boy student. She allegedly stalks at the school dance.

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GRACE: And now, Pennsylvania suburbs, a married mom of three, a high school math teacher busted teaching a lot more than arithmetic. 33-year- old Erica Ginnetti accused of sex assault on a boy student. She allegedly stalks at the school dance? The alleged child predator goes home on bail and allowed to take off her tracking device because she said it`s inconvenient.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`s a respected teacher specializing in advance calculus, statistics and honors algebra.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Erica Ann Ginnetti allegedly admitted that she had sent sexually suggestive pictures, videos and texts to a 17-year-old student after meeting him at this northeast coffee shop. The pair then had sex in a car not far away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a teacher, he`s a genius in math. He`s a mechanic. He always work. It`s a mess.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Rich Zeoli, host of the "Rich Zeoli Show." WPHT.

Rich, a math teacher, a mother of three?

RICH ZEOLI, HOST, RICH ZEOLI SHOW 1210 WPHT: Yes. And she can`t wear her GPS tracking device, Nancy, because it`s too difficult for her to charge it. She has to stand in one place and charge it. And mind you, this GPS monitoring device is so that she doesn`t go near children because she is a sexual predator. She stalked a 17-year-old student at the prom with sexually texting him, sending him messages, and then she winds up taking the kid into her car and having sex with him and now she`s free to go, free to roam around on the streets.

GRACE: To Michael Christian, what more can you tell us?

CHRISTIAN: This woman has three children, Nancy. They`re 8, 11 and 14, those are the only minors that she`s allowed to be with on an unsupervised basis at this point. Basically this all happened -- as you said this woman was chaperoning a senior prom, she told one of the boys there, a 17-year- old, that she wondered if he wanted to work out with her at her gym.

And, you know, to contact her if he was interested so he sent her an e-mail a couple of days later. She e-mailed her number back and then one thing led to another until finally they`re having sex in her car in the parking lot of an industrial parking structure.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Jeff Gold and Shireen Hormozdi. You know, I don`t know it is more defensive to me that she is a mom. That really has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. But it is more offensive.

Shireen, she`s totally busted. What I don`t understand is why a judge would let her get out on bond and not bother to wear her ankle monitor.

HORMOZDI: Well, the judge has to consider whether or not she committed the crime she`s charged with and I disagree that she`s a sexual predator.

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GRACE: Why do you disagree with that?

HORMOZDI: The age of consent in most states is 16. This victim was 17 years old. And therefore she`s probably --

GRACE: But not in this state.

HORMOZDI: In Pennsylvania the age of consent was 16.

GRACE: But my point is, this was going on before he was 17. So --

HORMOZDI: That makes a difference.

GRACE: Busted. Yes, it does make a difference.

And, you know, Jeff Gold, the fact that she was luring the student, having sex in the car with the student, to me it is an outrage that she`s being treated differently than a man predator under the same conditions.

GOLD: Well, first of all, it does make a difference that she was a teacher. She`s in a position of trust. It`s different when you have somebody like that. She has a 14-year-old child, that makes a difference, too. But on the other hand, I don`t think there is any evidence that she`s going to go out and do this again. It is a huge disgrace. She`s certainly under conditions other than monitoring.

GRACE: Well, you know what, we can all say --

GOLD: There`s no suggestion she`s going away in the bushes for a young child. What she`s done is admit to this.

GRACE: You know what.

GOLD: I think that`s enough.

GRACE: You know, Bethany, why are women treated this way? Why is it when it is a boy victim everybody brushes it under the rug like it`s OK?

MARSHALL: Not only that, Nancy. If she was a man, we would be guessing that she became a schoolteacher to gain proximity towards children or we would conjecture as to whether or not she had children in order to lure other little playmates over to the house. But because she is a woman, we`re teaching this -- we`re talking about this young man almost being at the age of consent. We`re talking about it as if she just met him at the prom.

She didn`t meet him at the prom. She lured him. She went to the prom likely as a chaperone to grain proximity to him.

GRACE: Everyone, when we come back. "Death Row Stories." We, unlike others, choose to remember the victims. Tonight the brutal murder of Ohio teen, Tony Klann, just 19 when he`s found dead floating in a creek.

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GRACE: "Death Row Stories," twists and turns of capital murder. We remember the victim. Tonight, the brutal murder of Ohio teen, Tony Klann, just 19 when he was found dead floating in a creek.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tony Klann, just 19 years old, was out to dinner with his father Richard at a Cleveland restaurant. That was the last time Richard would see his son alive.

SUSAN SARANDON, "DEATH ROW STORIES": A jogger noticed something floating in Doan Creek, a narrow waterway that twists through Rockefeller Park.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tony had been crying. He looked like he`d been beat a little bit. And they saw Joe D`Ambrosio with a knife to his throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was a horrible crime in the sense that it is a tight-knit community where things don`t happen like this.

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GRACE: Joining me tonight, Dicc Klann, Tony Klann`s father.

Dicc, thank you for being with us.

DICC KLANN, FATHER OF MURDERED BOY, TONY KLANN: Thank you, Nancy, I appreciate the chance.

GRACE: Dicc, when you hear people attacking the conviction in this case, Joe D`Ambrosio, what is your response?

KLANN: Well, the only thing I can say is he`s a lucky man because he`s out but he`s not innocent.

GRACE: Why do you say that?

KLANN: Beg your pardon?

GRACE: Why do you say that?

KLANN: Well, he was -- he was convicted and there were four witnesses that saw my son being held by Joe in a truck with a knife to his throat. They also saw the other two criminals with a baseball bat and they were threatening if they didn`t find somebody else, then they were going to -- then Tony, my son, was, as they said, dead meat.

GRACE: Everyone, with me is Dicc Klann, the father of Tony Klann, just 19 years old when his body was found.

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GRACE: Joining me in addition to the victim`s father, Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner, forensic pathologist.

Tony`s throat was slashed ear to ear. He was also stabbed multiple times. How much did he suffer?

DR. TIM GALLAGHER, MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, he would have suffered a lot. It would depend on where he receives his first injury, but if he was -- if his throat was slashed initially, he would have actually suffocated on his own blood, his blood would have filled his lungs and he would have suffocated that way. So it`s a very slow and very grueling death, Nancy.

GRACE: You know, Mr. Klann, I know that you have relived this over and over in your mind a million times. When you hear about people almost glamorizing the defendant, Joe D`Ambrosio, that has just got to be like a knife in your heart.

KLANN: Absolutely is, Nancy. We have had -- well, let me back up a little bit and say that Tony was only 4 years old when he came to my wife and I. We adopted he and his sister. And he was killed when he was 19. So I had my life around Tony for 15 years. This is more than 25 years later and I`m still reliving this thing.

GRACE: You know, Mr. Klann, our prayers are with you and your family. These years have passed. Has it eased your suffering at all?

KLANN: Well, you know, life does go on, time heals a lot. But I will say this. Nothing is healing for tony right now because he has no justice. The courts say that Joe D`Ambrosio and Thomas Michael Keenan didn`t kill my son, but they haven`t been found innocent. They were found guilty in many trials and retrials and it`s just -- it`s so unconscionable to me that this keeps going on and on and these guys are now free.

GRACE: Everyone, with me is Dicc Klann, the father of a 19-year-old boy found dead.

Sunday, 9:00 p.m. CNN, a new series "Death Row Stories."

Let`s stop and remember, American hero Army Sgt. 1st Class Luis Gonzalez, 27, Ozone Park, New York. Bronze star, two Army Commendation medals, loved the Yankee. Mother, Bienvenida, brother Jose.

Luis Gonzalez, American hero.

Drew up next.

I`ll you see you tomorrow 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then good night, friend.

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