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Nancy Grace
Bodies of 7 Infants Found in Garage; Mom in Fight With Student at Bus Stop
Aired April 14, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Pleasant Grove, Utah. Spring cleaning turns deadly when remains of tiny infants found in cardboard boxes. But that`s just the beginning. Bombshell tonight. By the time the whole premises is searched by police, bodies of seven helpless infants, all dead at the hands of Mommy, say police. That`s right, cops say Mommy hides seven pregnancies, gives birth, only to murder each child one after the next after the next.
Now, you look at her and you think she`s the nice neighbor who goes for walks and borrows a cup of sugar, all the while Mommy`s murdering at least seven tiny babies!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pleasant Grove police discovered seven dead infants in the garage, babies police say 39-year-old Megan Huntsman gave birth to, killing at least six of them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were cleaning out the garage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Came across a suspicious package, that kind of pungent odor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police found the remains of seven dead babies.
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GRACE: And tonight, caught on tape, a vicious fight at the school bus stop. Check it out.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This fist-flying, F-bombing fight was between a mother of a Youstack (ph) middle school student and the 13-year-old girl seen here...
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GRACE: And "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice may be headed for the big doll house -- i.e., the women`s jail -- after she`s busted by the feds, but that`s not stopping her from making yet another cash grab, again signing autographs, $25 a pop, insisting cash only, no receipts. This as her popularity seems to skyrocket, more bookings than ever for the "Real Housewife." Seems pretty soon, she`ll be off the speech circuit. And tonight, another "Real Housewife" in trouble, in hiding and in fear for her life.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reality star Teresa Giudice flaunted her riches on "The Real Housewives of New Jersey." But in real life, Teresa and her husband, Joe, owe creditors over $13 million. "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" star Camille Grammer is reportedly living in fear. A judge ordered Camille`s ex to stay away from her and her home, but that order might have been broken.
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GRACE: And live, Tampa suburbs. Police race to a multi-million- dollar mansion, a little girl at her bedroom computer doing homework, dead, the little brother in the garage, buckled into the car, dead. Who`s the gun-toting shooter? Mommy, lounging by the pool in a houserobe and covered in blood. But why? Mommy says because her children talked back to her. But now she claims she`s crazy. We uncover tonight stunning new secret surveillance.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About what time -- I know you said you drank some beer and then started drinking some wine. Do you remember what time it was that you stopped drinking the wine?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was past (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Newly-released police interviews recorded just hours after the murders.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You seem like you`re feeling better. Are you feeling better?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It goes back and forth.
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GRACE: And tonight, while we remember those who lost their lives at the Boston Marathon bombing just 12 short months ago, as we go to air tonight, what has become of the bomber`s American wife?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: April 15th last year was the hardest day I`ve had.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was in a coma for eight days.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need help!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I`m sitting up, and I saw that his leg was gone.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live to Pleasant Grove. Spring cleaning turns deadly when the remains of tiny infants found in cardboard boxes, but that`s just the tip of the iceberg. By the time cops were called and the whole premises was searched, the bodies of seven helpless infants, all dead, seven dead babies, dead, police say, at the hands of Mommy. They say Mommy hides seven pregnancies, gives birth only to murder each child one after the other, killing seven children?
You know, to look at her, you`d think she was the nice neighbor that you see jogging by in the morning or borrows a cup of sugar. All the while, this mom behind closed doors murdering all those tiny infants? Unbelievable! But you can`t argue with forensics. All these bodies found in her home, all dead!
To Jim Kirkwood, talk show host, KTKK. Jim, what happened?
JIM KIRKWOOD, KTKK (via telephone): Well, this is so unbelievable, Nancy, because Pleasant Grove is this little bedroom community, very quiet, mostly religious people. And you have someone like this fooling everybody. Her pregnancies -- nobody knew she was pregnant. She didn`t look it. And then she`s suffocating or strangling at least six of them, maybe all seven, we`re not sure, of these babies between 2006 and 1996. She`s killing them one at a time after giving birth? It`s unbelievable, Nancy!
GRACE: Jim, Jim Kirkwood, hold! Let`s go straight to see what police have to say. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s something that you don`t expect to see. Some family members of the residence were cleaning out the garage, came across this suspicious package, had kind of a pungent odor. A search warrant was executed, and during the warrant, the bodies of six other infants that appear to be full-stage were located inside the garage area, as well. Throughout the investigation, we were able to determine that she had given birth to these -- to the seven babies, and six of them she -- she murdered. It`s hard to comprehend how this could happen.
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GRACE: Let`s go to the lines. Kelly in Kentucky. Hi, Kelly. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I read on line this morning that it was the husband that discovered at least one of these infants that were dead in a box. I really need to know, over the past 10 years, how did the husband not know that his wife was pregnant seven times and gave birth to seven children? How do you miss that, being under the same roof with somebody?
GRACE: Kelly in Kentucky, hold on. I`m just being joined right now by Chief Michael Smith from the Pleasant Grove Police Department. Chief Smith, thank you for being with us. You know, how does that happen? I mean, maybe once you could fake the world out about your pregnancy, but seven times, Chief?
CHIEF MICHAEL SMITH, PLEASANT GROVE POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Yes, that`s a great question. We have the same question. And I agree, you know, one thing to fake the world out, but to fake your own family and husband out is another. And that is an area that we continue to probe into try to get those answers.
GRACE: You know, Chief Smith, Kelly in Kentucky wants to know, was it the husband that originally found the first dead body? Is that correct?
SMITH: That is correct.
GRACE: Wow! And he probably didn`t think that this is connected to his wife. So he calls about the one dead body in the cardboard box. With me is Chief Michael Smith out of Pleasant Grove, joining us tonight. But where were the other bodies hidden, Chief Smith?
SMITH: They were in the same area. They stopped -- once they found the infant, they stopped what they were doing and called the police. And we responded, and through our investigation found the other infants in the same area the first one was located.
GRACE: And Chief Smith, are you telling me that the husband says he never knew his wife was pregnant seven times?
SMITH: Yes, that`s what -- that`s the information that we have.
GRACE: OK, that is a little hard to take in, Chief Smith. Chief, another question. There are seven tiny bodies, but only six homicide charges. What about the seventh infant?
SMITH: There`s information that we have that one of them was possibly stillborn. The infants are at the medical examiner`s as we speak, and as - - as that investigation unfolds, hopefully, we`ll be able to determine if - - if -- well, how that baby died. And if we need to amend charges at that point, we will.
GRACE: You know, Chief Smith, I`m just bowled over. I just remember how helpless and tiny my twins were when they were born. But I heard a report earlier that these babies were full term. Is that correct, Chief?
SMITH: Yes. We believe they were full-term. From what we have discovered, they appear to be full-term infants.
GRACE: Oh!
SMITH: It`s just -- it`s hard to wrap your mind around what happened there.
GRACE: Chief, were they wrapped in blankets? Were they just in the box? How did you find them positioned?
SMITH: They were -- they were wrapped, in containers, and they each were in their own container.
GRACE: You know, I`m just trying to get my head around it, Chief Smith. How do you do it not once but possibly seven times? I mean, we don`t know if the seventh one was stillborn or if it was murdered. How do you put your hands, as a mother, around the neck of an infant and strangle the tiny baby to death? I mean, when I find a bug, I try to put it outside. You know, I wrestle with a bug for an hour to get the thing out the window. How do you -- where do you get the mental capacity to murder a child over and over? I mean, this is seven dead bodies. I mean, I can`t -- just to even say that, seven dead infants -- I mean, Chief Smith, have you ever seen anything like it in your life?
SMITH: I haven`t. And I agree with you, how -- I don`t understand how it could happen. I think that if the day ever comes that you could comprehend and understand, then you`ve got a problem because it is just -- it`s horrific what happened.
GRACE: Then to just stake (ph) the cardboard box out there with the old Christmas tree? I mean, really? Chief Smith with me, Chief Michael Smith.
I`m hearing in my ear, I`m just being joined by Aaron Hawker, who lived next door to the home where the dead infants have been found. Aaron, thank you for being with us. Did you ever notice that Megan Huntsman was pregnant?
AARON HAWKER, NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR (via telephone): Never. We`ve -- we lived next door to them for 15 years. And my daughter made the observation yesterday -- she knows her pretty well, and she says that Megan`s one of these women that she didn`t show at all until she hit about nine months. And that had to be true. I never -- I didn`t know that, but she always looks slim and trim all the years we knew her.
GRACE: Aaron Hawker with me, who lived next door where the home -- to the home where the dead infants were found. Aaron, again, thank you for being with us. What was her personality? I mean, You lived next to her for 15 years.
HAWKER: Well, you know, I hate to say -- make this sound like other interviews, but she was just a normal, kind of a shy woman. And we -- we didn`t do things with them, but we saw them all the time and spoke with them. But she was just your normal, average, run-of-the-mill person out there in society.
GRACE: Well, how many children does she have?
HAWKER: She has three daughters, ages 21, 20 and 14.
GRACE: Everybody, hold. I want to give you an announcement. Last week, we reported the sudden death of a Hall of Fame wrestler, the "Ultimate Warrior," at just 54, and that Warrior and many other wrestlers admit using anabolic steroids to build strength.
We listed a stunning number of pro wrestlers who died young, and we know the sometimes tragic effect of steroids. Could these deaths be the result of steroid use? We`re re certainly not saying every wrestler who died young of (ph) these steroids. We don`t know that.
But we do know at least one on the list, Owen Hart, did not -- did not die of steroid use. He died from a tragic fall doing a stunt, and his widow confirms that. She wrote to us passionately, pointing that out. We want to regret that was not made clear last week.
Now, Ultimate Warrior`s cause death yet to be determined.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the course of 10 years, police say, Megan Huntsman gave birth to, then killed at least six babies. Their remains were found inside this home in Pleasant Grove, Utah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At least seven pregnancies neighbors say were kept hidden.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She looked skinny.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing to look like she was pregnant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did no one know...
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GRACE: Spring cleaning turns deadly when the bodies of seven tiny infants, seven, that have been murdered systematically over a period of years, found stashed in cardboard boxes in this woman`s home.
We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers, Hugo Rodriguez, Miami, Shireen Hormozdi, defense attorney, Atlanta.
First of all, to you, Hugo. What`s your defense? She`s not insane. She`s been carrying on a normal life. You just heard her neighbors say that, very pleasant, shy, had a job, the works, three other daughters that never noticed anything odd about Mommy, other than, you know, the dead bodies in the garage, seven of them.
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You gave me her defense. You mentioned earlier her lack of mental capacity. It is unnatural...
GRACE: No, I didn`t!
RODRIGUEZ: ... for any -- yes, you did. Go back and listen to it. You -- it is unnatural for any mother...
GRACE: She is not insane!
RODRIGUEZ: No, no. You said she`s not insane. But earlier, you said, What would be the mental capacity for someone to do something like this? And that is...
GRACE: Yes, that was not me saying that she had diminished capacity.
RODRIGUEZ: I didn`t suggest diminished capacity. I`m saying it is unnatural for any mother to do what she did. We need to examine her mental capacity.
GRACE: Well, put him up, please!
RODRIGUEZ: And we also have to ask...
GRACE: Shireen...
RODRIGUEZ: ... the question, why did show not dispose of the bodies? If she didn`t want anyone to know, she could have very easily disposed of each one of the bodies...
GRACE: Well, I can give you an answer for that.
RODRIGUEZ: ... and no one would have known the better.
GRACE: I can give you an answer for that. Shireen Hormozdi, we know from other serial killers -- that`s what she is, if these facts the cops have presented are true, and I have no reason to think that they`re not true. If these were not babies, everybody would be screaming serial killer right now. But because they`re infants, it`s, like, Oh, well, she`s a mom, doesn`t matter.
The reason that she kept them is, A, she probably had a connection with them. Even serial killers keep mementos and sometimes bodies of their victims. They`ll keep photos, driver license, ticket stubs, any number of things to connect back to that victim.
Not only that, there`s the matter of disposing of them. The fact that she, Shireen Hormozdi, functioned normally at every other level is going to destroy an insanity defense.
SHIREEN HORMOZDI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She might have kept the bodies because these children died of natural causes after they were born. At least one of them was stillborn. The rest of them could have been stillborn...
GRACE: OK, you know what? That is...
HORMOZDI: The tests are not back yet so we don`t know.
GRACE: ... possibly true, but probably not because you`re not going to find seven stillbirths, all right? I just don`t -- I don`t believe that.
Back out to Jim Kirkwood, talk show host, KTKK. Jim, where is she tonight?
KIRKWOOD: She is in the Utah county jail, facing seven murder charges for the strangulation or suffocation of six infants. They believe one was stillborn. But they`re doing DNA right now to confirm her, that she`s the mother and that Wes (ph) is the father and the method of death.
GRACE: And Dr. Nina Radcliffe joining me, physician out of New York. Doctor, how do you look at the child`s, the infant`s little body and determine if it was stillborn or if it was murdered?
DR. NINA RADCLIFFE, PHYSICIAN (via telephone): First they`re going to have to take these babies out of these coffins that they were basically buried in and do the autopsy in reverse order. They`re going to have to look to see how old this child is. They`re going to look for developmental, the weight of the babies that were dead, and they`re going to have to see what exactly happened.
It makes it more difficult because these babies have been there for many years. If this woman gave birth to these six children, then the problem is, is this has gone on for at least six years.
GRACE: Seven. Seven. Seven infants.
RADCLIFFE: Yes.
GRACE: Dr. Radcliffe, will you be able to look at the lungs and tell if the child ever breathed air?
RADCLIFFE: Yea. That depends -- if the baby`s lungs are expanded -- when children are in the utero before they are born, their lungs are completely collapsed. The first few minutes of life as they take a breath, and then they open up almost like balloons. And that`s one of the things that the autopsy -- the medical examiner will have to look at.
GRACE: Everybody, when we come back, caught on tape, a brutal fight at the school bus stop.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
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GRACE: Tonight, caught on tape, a vicious fight at a school bus stop. Check it out.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This fist-flying, F-bomb-dropping fight was between the mother of Youstack (ph) middle school student and the 13-year- old girl seen here in jeans.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She just came out of nowhere.
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GRACE: You are seeing video from KTXL (ph). And I want to tell you, the student is wearing the jeans. The student is wearing the jeans.
Dave Mack, what happened?
DAVE MACK, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: This is a school bus incident over a seat on the back of the bus. The earliest ones get in there, and this girl got the seat that another girl wanted. So when the girls got off the bus, the mom of the girl who didn`t get the seat she wanted attacked the girls who got the seat.
GRACE: You`re kidding!
MACK: I`m not. It was over a seat.
GRACE: Clark Goldband, Dave Mack -- is that correct, Clark? The mom goes in and starts attacking -- and she has not been charged yet -- attacking the student that took her child`s seat?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, it`s not really clear because we don`t see the whole tape. But the girl and her family are speaking and saying that, in fact, she was attacked. This girl is just 13. She says it was over a seat. Again, the mom has not been charged, and we have not seen the whole tape, so questions are swirling. But from what we can see, there`s an altercation between all sides in this video from KTXL (ph).
GRACE: I mean, what mom goes and picks a fight with a 13-year-old student, a fist-fight? What I don`t understand right now, Dave Mack, why hasn`t Mommy been charged?
MACK: The reason is because you`ve got two girls fighting over a seat on the school bus, and there`s no school -- this is a multi-school stop, Nancy. They`ve got junior high, elementary and high school. And so no school official will take responsibility for the stop.
GRACE: I`m not talking about responsibility by the school. Clark, I`m talking about a mother going and attacking a student that just turned 13, a girl, and really giving her smackdown at the school bus stop!
GOLDBAND: Well, I can tell you this, Nancy. That 13-year-old you see behind me from KTXL (ph) and the other girl that`s allegedly involved in this altercation -- both have been suspended from school, according to the 13-year-old.
GRACE: OK, guys, we`re on the story. As of this hour, the mom has not been charged. Can you imagine, going and starting a fight, a physical fight, a smackdown? There`s the mom. The mom is the one in the pink shirt. There`s -- uh-oh, here comes Mommy! Uh-huh! OK. Somebody needs to go to jail. As of right now, no charges.
Everybody, when we come back, "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice may be headed for the big doll house -- that`s jail -- after she`s busted by the feds. But that`s certainly not stopping her from another cash grab. And another "Housewife" in trouble, in hiding, in fear for her life.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Teresa Giudice flaunted her money on "The Real Housewives. of New Jersey," but new documents reveal Teresa and her husband, Joe, owe creditors over $13 million. Reality TV star Camille Grammer is reportedly staying away from her beautiful Malibu home because she is living in fear.
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GRACE: Real housewife Teresa Giudice could be headed for the big dollhouse, i.e., the women`s jail after being busted by the feds, but that`s not stopping her from making yet another cash grab. Again, allegedly, signing autographs for $25 a pop, insisting cash only and no receipts. This as her popularity seems to skyrocket, more bookings than ever for the real housewife. I guess pretty soon she`ll be off the speech circuit. And another real housewife tonight in trouble and in hiding in fear for her life.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Teresa Giudice flaunted her money on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, but in real life she was cheating and deep this debt. The bills are huge. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Camille Grammar is reportedly living in fear. The reality TV star had a restraining order taken out against her ex-boyfriend, but that order may have been broken.
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GRACE: Straight out to senior report, Radaronline.com Alexis Tereszcuk. Alexis, oh, dear, okay, there she goes tossing that table again. Okay, I don`t think they are going to let you do that in the big dollhouse where all the ladies are -- no, she`ll be put in the hole, in lockdown for that. Alexis, is it true that she`s only going to pay back or has only paid back $7,500 out of a $13.5 million debt?
TERESZCUK: Yes, that is exactly right. That`s all she has paid so far. It`s the tiniest fraction that I can ever possibly imagine, so many of her creditors are furious, that they are not going to see a dime. She owes millions of dollars and everybody is just sick about the fact they are not going to get it back.
GRACE: I don`t understand this, how you can owe $13.5 million, oh, there`s the gold-plated chair. Constant shopping sprees. $50,000, we understand, $50,000 to $75,000 on a kid`s birthday party. I mean, shopping sprees, there they are in Italy. Oh, there`s the vacation house. Shopping sprees at Chanel, all the designer stores in Italy. How can you do that when you owe $13.5 million in debt, Alexis?
TERESZCUK: They have been lying for years and years and years. And what they have been doing is just forging their tax documents, forging w2 forms, every way that they can pretend, they do it. But people believe that they are rich because they are on the show. And so they give them a line of credit. They sell them things thinking that they will get paid. They trust because they see them on the show. Teresa with a boat and these fancy cars, that they have the money, and they never deliver on the promises that they make to pay.
GRACE: Stacy Newman, producer on the story, Stacy, when is the sentencing?
NEWMAN: The sentencing is supposed to go down on July 8th. It is our understanding there is some kind of plea deal. I think Teresa is actually trying to get house arrest. On July 8th, we`ll know more about how much time they will --
GRACE: Whoa, wait, wait. Did I hear you say house arrest? Did you say that?
NEWMAN: Yep, your earpiece is working. She apparently wants house arrest. Will cameras come in and film her on house arrest? We`ll find out.
GRACE: Okay. Um -- why didn`t Martha Stewart get house arrest? I`m not saying she should or she shouldn`t, but I don`t get it. Martha Stewart makes one phone call and says sell or buy when she thinks she knows something about the stock, which is wrong, and she goes to jail? And this lady might get house arrest after outright lying in writing on federal documents, $13.5 million in debt for what, Alexis? What costs $13.5 million? I need to know that.
TERESZCUK: Well, so they have a $3 million house, that`s the main house they live in. They have hundreds and thousands of dollars in cars. They actually have two other homes, you`re seeing a vacation home at the shore, another one at the mountains. And as you say, they shop incessantly.
GRACE: To Alex McCord, former Real Housewife, host of therealdeal on star.com, now I understand that Camille Grammar, the ex of TV star Kelsey Grammar, is in fear for her life, what`s that about?
MCCORD: Allegedly the ex-boyfriend against whom she has a restraining order showed up at her house while she was out of time with an unidentified woman and they tried to get into the house. The security guard bounced them back, didn`t let them in. But this is what she has to be afraid of, and I don`t blame her for not wanting to go home. Because her house has been on reality TV for years, everybody knows the layout. And he now knows he won`t get in the front door, so maybe next time he`ll try the back door or send somebody else.
GRACE: Now, wait a minute, but also, is this not her boyfriend? Was it her ex-boyfriend?
MCCORD: Her ex-boyfriend.
GRACE: So he knows the lay of the house, he knows everything about her, her habits, her timing, where she goes, when she goes. So how can you be a reality star and you are hiding in a hole, how does that work?
MCCORD: Well, it`s hard, because the whole idea of being a reality star is you give the public your life. So the longer she goes into hiding, the more she`s hurting her chances of ever having a job again.
GRACE: Yes. And Alex, you`re a former real housewife, is it for real? Is she really in hiding? Is she afraid for her life?
MCCORD: Look, I think she needs to get as much distance between herself and this ex-boyfriend as possible. She needs him out of the picture, so she has to do what she`s got to do to stay safe.
GRACE: I agree with that, but don`t you agree that the drama makes the ratings go through the roof?
MCCORD: Sure. I`m sure Bravo wants her to sit down with them. They love it.
GRACE: Well, what I think is that if she`s really being stalked, that the stalker needs to go to jail. But that`s a whole other can of worms. All right, one housewife in fear for her life, the other signing books as fast as she can, no receipt, cash only. Everybody, when we come back, a little girl at her bedroom computer doing homework, straight A student, dead. Little brother out in the garage from soccer practice strapped into the car seat, dead. Shooter? Mommy. She`s heading to trial in just a few days. Tonight, we uncover stunning new secret surveillance.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you take a lot of medications, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god, 10 or 12.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10 or 12 meds?
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GRACE: And live, Tampa suburbs, police race to a multimillion mansion to find the little girl, straight A student, at her bedroom computer doing her homework, dead. Her little brother out in the garage still buckled into the car seat, straight home from soccer practice, dead. Who is the shooter? Mommy. Found lounging by the pool in a house robe covered in blood, why? When asked, she actually said because her children won`t stop talking back to her. Now mommy says she`s crazy and we uncover new secret surveillance.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had been taking your medication, there was nothing you weren`t taking, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The day after she was arrested after she killed her two teenagers, her daughter and her son.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened yesterday?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um -- I hate to say I don`t know.
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GRACE: With me now, Roger Schulman, anchor, WWBA, Roger, these surveillance videos are, in my mind, damming, because you hear her talk to a large extent about voluntary intoxication and use of drugs.
SCHULMAN: Yes, and she was on about ten drugs, everything from hydrocodone, oxycodone, (inaudible), blood thinners, lithium, so she had a lot of things on board in her system most of the time.
GRACE: Another thing about that, Roger Schulman, WWBA, a lot of that, I don`t know that she was supposed to be taking. What pain was she in, why is she high on oxycontin, when you listen to these audiotapes, you hear it in her voice. Take a listen, everybody, just obtained sound, as this case heads to trial, will the jury hear this?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember, when was the last time you took your medication? Was it last night or yesterday afternoon?
Last night? Do you remember about what time?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 10.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 10:00? About what time, I know you said you started drinking beer and then drank some wine, do you remember what time it was that you stopped drinking the wine?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um, it was past --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 9? About what time do you think that was roughly? After 10? About 10 or later?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About right? Before you took Calyx to her track or picked her up, from her track practice had you drank anything during the day that day?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
But you`d been taking your medication regularly and everything?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. But you were okay to drive though?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, obviously.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This past Monday he did?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been a while back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been 3 to 4 weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because of the drinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Before, on the night he kicked me out of the house, that was Monday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he put me in a hotel. And then I went to rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. Where did you go to rehab at? ACTS or DACCO?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, West.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here in Tampa?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. No, St. Pete.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: St. Pete. You went to a place in St. Pete for some rehab. How long did you stay there? A couple days, a week, how long?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two and a half weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two and a half weeks? When did you get out of that? When was that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: November.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: November? okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: December?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you drink any alcohol or anything last night?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did? How much alcohol did you have about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three or four glasses.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beer, and then I switched to wine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Three or four glasses of beer and wine. And that was last night at what time?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t remember.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Later in the evening or early in the evening? Later?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After dinner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After dinner? okay.
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GRACE: The trial of Julie Schenecker starting in 14 days in Florida. You heard that surveillance, that auditory surveillance by police. Dr. Greg Cason, psychologist from Bravo`s L.A. Shrinks, Greg, she was on a slew of painkillers, oxycontin, the works. And drinking. Did you hear all that she has been drinking? That`s not going to equal insanity?
CASON: No. Not only does that not equal insanity, but this suggests she had a substance abuse issue, and she may have had even more than just a bipolar disorder. She was dealing with addiction issues and maybe some kind of sociopathic issues. This is a woman I would not trust on basis of testimony.
GRACE: What do we know about the crime scene, Clark Goldband?
GOLDBAND: You see this home behind me, and it has since been sold for almost $400,000. It looks calm and peaceful, but when you look inside, you see some very disturbing crime scene photos. I just want to warn you, this is where the 16-year-old girl Calyx died, you can see the desk there, close-up shot of the chair and where the blood had been sprayed as she was working on school work and the mom allegedly came in from behind and, Nancy, just one image we can show you from the son, Bo, the 13-year-old boy killed in the car. Take a look at a window. There is the hole from the bullet.
GRACE: The child still strapped into the car after soccer practice. Everyone, these auditory tapes taken while police are talking to Julie Schenecker will most likely come into evidence. Take a listen as she describes her daughter`s track practice.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened yesterday?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hate to say I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you go pick the kids up yesterday afternoon?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: yes. You brought them home to the house?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Then I had to turn around and go back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For my daughter`s track.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To take her back to track?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To take her home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. You got a daughter, is it Calyx?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Calyx.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have a son. How old is your son?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 13.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s his name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beau.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Beau go with you to take her to the track?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he stay at the house? Did he stay at the house?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. So you took Calyx to her track at King high school? Okay. Did you bring her back after track?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After track. Okay. And Beau was at the house waiting on you all? Do you remember what time it was that you stopped drinking the wine?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was past. [ inaudible ]
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 9? What time do you think that was? Roughly, after 10:00? About 10:00 or later?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About right? Before you took Calyx to her track, or picked her up from her track practice, had you drank anything during the day that day?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No? But you`d been taking your medication regularly and everything?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. But you were okay to drive, though?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Monday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This past Monday he did?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been a while back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been -- I`d say it`s been three to four weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, because of the drinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Before -- on the night he kicked me out of the house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was Monday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he put he in a hotel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then I went to rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. Where did you go to rehab at? ACTS or DACCO?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, West.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here in Tampa?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. No, St. Pete.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You went to a place in St. Pete for some rehab. How long did you stay there? Couple days? A week? How long?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two and a half weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two and a half weeks? When did you get out of that? When was that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: November.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: November. Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: December.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: December?
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GRACE: Again, Schenecker`s trial in just 14 days.
When we come back, we remember those who lost their lives at the Boston marathon bombing. Just 12 short months ago. As we go to air, what has become of the bomber`s American wife?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were out having fun, and, you know, in a couple minutes I was, you know, my life was flipped upside down.
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GRACE: Tonight, we remember those who lost their lives at the Boston marathon bombing just 12 short months ago. As we go to air tonight, what has become of the bomber`s American wife?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: April 15th, last year, was the hardest day I`ve had.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were out having fun and, you know, within a couple minutes, I was, you know, my life flipped upsidedown.
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GRACE: With me right now from the Boston Harold, Jack Encarnacao. Jack, thank you for being with us. What can you tell me about the bomber`s wife?
JACK ENCARNACAO, BOSTON HERALD: Well, she is an American living in Rhode Island at the time of the bombing, and not a whole lot is known. It`s known that she was a little hesitant to talk to investigators at first in the aftermath of last year`s bombing. There were reports that she outright refused to talk to investigators, but since in a report that was released just last week by the federal government from the office of the inspector general, it`s clear they have talked to her. What she has told investigators, however, is not clear. It is known and pointed out in the report that there`s no way of telling what she would have told investigators even if they had caught up to her the first time they were looking into her husband back in 2011. But pretty much shrouded in mystery. We know she had a 3-year-old daughter with the deceased bomber, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and that indeed they received some government benefits living here in Massachusetts, and that there have been reports that she had a very hectic work schedule, and that, indeed, it appeared she was the employed of the couple. A lot isn`t entirely career. She remains pretty much shrouded in mystery even a year later.
GRACE: Is she viewed as an accomplice or a victim?
ENCARNACAO: No. No. She has not been named or implicated at all in what`s happened.
GRACE: Everyone, tonight we remember those who lost their lives at the Boston marathon bombing.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Sergeant Christopher Griffin, 24, Michigan. Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Army Commendation Medal. An American Indian by birth. Loved spending time with his grandfather and father around the fire hall, and he also loved the History Channel. Parents, Carrie and Mel. Four sisters, one brother. Christopher Griffin, American hero.
Drew up next with a Utah woman arrested. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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