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Nancy Grace
Two Missing Children; Defense Calls Parker Schenecker
Aired May 13, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. A million-dollar mansion, Tampa, a little girl at her computer doing homework dead, the little brother still buckled in the minivan dead, Mommy, in a bloody housecoat lounging by the luxury pool in the back yard, says she shoots her children dead in the mouth because they, quote, "talked back" to her.
Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, damning evidence. Julie Schenecker`s husband back on the stand.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This (INAUDIBLE) anger towards you.
PARKER SCHENECKER, HUSBAND: She told me that she didn`t like being locked up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) ware that the defendant was gambling away thousands of dollars at the Hard Rock Casino?
PARKER SCHENECKER: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was driving to an AA meeting...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, not one but two missing children gone. Aurora, Illinois, 6-year-old Timmothy Pitzen last seen at a water park with Mommy, Mommy then found dead, but no sign of 6-year-old Timmothy. And to Orange County, California, an 11-year-old little girl last seen at a kid-friendly mall, never seen again. Tonight, where is Brittany?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know where my son is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Timmothy Pitzen was last seen at the Wisconsin Dell with his mother, Amy (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When he`s found, we`re going to go visit Grandma`s and Grandpa`s (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Also, a little 11-year-old girl has vanished, and police need your help. Brittany is 5 feet tall, about 110 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, TV icon, the voice of Scooby-Doo, Shaggy, Robin in Batman, Transformers, Peter Cottontail, the star of "America`s Top 40" missing tonight amid speculation his much younger wife has taken him out of the country. Possible motive, money. Even his own children can`t find Casey Kasem. Has he been forced to change his will?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, Skoob, we made it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) golden voice Casey Kasem...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In light of Kasem`s disappearance...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody has been blocked from seeing my father.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is going on here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kasem`s children say their stepmother hasn`t let them see their father since July.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want people to call the police, help us find our dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Casey at the mike, and eventually Casey Kasem, when I got to Hollywood.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And to Phoenix, convicted killer Jodi Arias slaughters her 30- year-old boyfriend, Travis Alexander. He`s found slumped dead in the shower of his home, shot and stabbed 29 times. But the jury deadlocks on the death penalty. At this hour, Arias set to meet her new jury.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a case that (INAUDIBLE)
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: The evidence is very compelling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?
ARIAS: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guilty...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... guilty...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... guilty...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, a judge rules just logging onto on-line dating services while married is grounds for divorce.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Be careful about your on-line activity. What you think of as harmless flirtation might get you into divorce court. Is on- line flirting grounds for divorce? It is, according to a judge who last month granted a divorce to a 43-year-old husband who claimed...
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Not one but two missing children gone. Aurora, Illinois, 6-year-old Timmothy Pitzen last seen at a water park, Mommy then found dead, but no sign of 6-year-old Timmothy. And Orange County, California, an 11-year-old little girl last seen at a kid-friendly mall. She`s never been seen again. Where is Brittany?
First of all, let`s go straight out to Brett Larson, investigative reporter. What can you tell me about Brittany Mitchell? I understand she left a local community center, walked across the street to a shopping mall with her little friend?
BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes, an innocent trip. She leaves this community center. She goes to meet her friends at a shopping mall. She`s dressed normally, as though she`s just going to go for a quick trip. You know, this is one of the malls that has the big movie theater, the arcade games and things like that. And she vanishes, never to be seen again. And there`s -- literally, the police are even saying they he have leads to follow up on, but everything comes up cold.
GRACE: Take a look at this, guys. Here`s the mall where Brittany was last seen. Everyone, urgent. In the last hours, Brittany goes missing -- Brittany Georgia Mitchell, just 11 years old. She`s 5 feet tall, at this mall with her little friends.
There were kid movies -- let`s go back to the mall. This is the Orange Mall there in Orange County. It`s an outlet mall. Tons of people there. There`s movie theaters. There`s a food court. There are tons of parking lots, easy access from the interstate. Somebody can grab a kid at this mall and be gone.
Let`s go back to what happened, what happened in this situation. This is a mall near an interstate, near a busy thoroughfare. There are hundreds of people there. There is -- it is kid-attractive, like I said, with the movie theater, the food court. There are games there. She is there shopping with two other little friends, all three just 11 years old. This is at 9:30 in the morning -- outlets at Orange Mall. It also had been a community center before it was a mall.
Brett Larson, I understand she was wearing a black T-shirt with CA, California, on the front of it. What more do we know about her?
LARSON: That is correct. That is what she was wearing. We know that she left this community center with those two friends. What`s interesting, though, is police are saying the two friends just came back to that community center, and she wasn`t with them.
GRACE: To you, Justin Freiman. what can you tell me about the mall?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, this is a mall that any 11-year-old would probably love to be in. It`s got movie theaters. It`s got an indoor skate park. It`s just minutes from Disneyland. It`s got arcade games. And who wouldn`t want to be there?
GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing the scene where this girl, Brittany Georgia Mitchell, just 11 years old, missing. She went missing at 9:30 in the morning on Wednesday. Take a look at Brittany Mitchell.
Very quickly, I want to switch gears, everybody. But before I leave that, let me give you the tip line, 885-TIP-OCCS, 885-847-6227.
Also, Timmothy Pitzen missing. Let`s see Timmothy. Liz, do I have any video of Timmothy? Let`s hear it. Everyone, you are seeing 6-year-old Timmothy Pitzen, last seen with his mother at a water park. Later that day, the mom is found dead in a local hotel, but no sign of Timmothy Pitzen, last seen wearing blue shorts, a brown T-shirt and white socks, age 6.
Back to you, Brett Larson. What can you tell me?
LARSON: Nancy, so many details on this case. We want to hit the big bullets, though, first. As you mentioned, the mother was found in a motel room dead with a suicide note that said Timmothy was OK and with someone who kept him -- who would keep him safe, rather, and that he would never be found. There was a phone call placed from the mother`s cell phone to the grandmother. Timmothy could be heard in the background. Everything was A- OK. Mom was saying they were just out for a drive.
But this is what`s so strange about it, Nancy. They were out for a drive that was covering hundreds of miles. Last time they were seen was on this video footage from one of these water parks in the middle of the country, and then vanished, completely gone off the face of the earth.
GRACE: Justin Freiman, also on the story. Everyone, we`re talking about this little boy, Timmothy Pitzen. He was last seen alive alive at a water park with his mother, his mom later found dead, no sign of the 6- year-old. Tonight, take a look at Timmothy Pitzen, last seen in Wisconsin.
Justin Freiman, what more do you know?
FREIMAN: We know that his mother was found, committed suicide, but she left a note saying that the child was with somebody else and was OK but would never be found.
GRACE: Everyone, take a look at this little boy, just 6 years old, Timmothy Pitzen missing from Wisconsin.
Joining me right now, special guest Angeline Hartmann, manager of National Center, Missing, Exploited Children. Angeline, thank you so much for being with us.
ANGELINE HARTMANN, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: hanks for having us, Nancy.
GRACE: I actually -- I actually found Timmothy`s photo there on your Web site. Angeline, I want to go through the day that Timmothy went missing. What can you tell us?
HARTMANN: Well, actually, Nancy, we`re talking about a three-day road trip. When Timmothy`s mom picked him up at school, they went to the zoo, they went to a water park, they went to a second water park. That was on a Wednesday. Then Thursday, then Friday. Friday, she finally turns on her cell phone. And she has all these calls. She returns her calls and says, Hey, don`t worry about us. We`re just out. Everything`s fine. Timmothy can be heard in the background. He sounds fine. He actually talked to another family member on the phone and said that everything was OK. Him and his mom, they were out having fun.
Then he`s seen on surveillance video leaving, checking out of a hotel with his mom at the water park resort. And then he`s never seen again. The next day, the mother is found at a hotel in Rockford, Illinois, and she had apparently killed herself. This is what police tell us.
GRACE: Angeline Hartmann with us, from National Center, Missing, Exploited Children. Also, with us, Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation.
Angeline, question. Tell me about the age progression photo.
HARTMANN: Yes, Nancy. As you know, we`ve had a lot of success with these age progression photos. Timmothy was 6 when he disappeared. He would be 9 years old now. We don`t know where he is. He could be anywhere in the United States.
This age progression photo by our forensic artist was put together using family photos of all other family members. So they believe this is a true likeness of what Timmothy might look like today, three years later.
GRACE: Everyone, Timmothy Pitzen missing. Also missing tonight, Brittany Georgia Mitchell.
When we come back, in the last hours, damning evidence, Julie Schenecker`s husband back on the stand.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was driving to an AA meeting, but had decided to have a few glasses of wine before she got in the car, isn`t that correct.
PARKER SCHENECKER: Yes, sir, that`s what she told me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: A million-dollar mansion, Tampa, a little girl at her computer doing homework dead, her little brother still buckled in the minivan dead, Mommy in a bloody housecoat lounging by the luxury pool in the back yard, who says she shoots her children dead in the mouth because they, quote, "talked back" to her.
In the last hours, damning evidence. Julie Schenecker`s husband back on the stand.
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JULIE SCHENECKER, CHARGED WITH MURDER: (INAUDIBLE) my daughter, my 16-year-old. It`s just nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you want to shoot her in the mouth?
JULIE SCHENECKER: Because it angers me so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her mouth angers you?
JULIE SCHENECKER: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To Meredyth Censullo, in court today, joining us at the courthouse, Meredyth, so much has come out on the stand. You know, I think it was a big mistake for the defense to bring Parker Schenecker back up on the stand. What happened?
MEREDYTH CENSULLO, REPORTER: Well, today, so he was basically testifying about their relationship, their years together, how he also struggled with what he called the drumbeat in their relationship. And by that he`s referring to her depression and her mental health issues that were prevalent throughout their relationship together, culminating in those last weeks with her in rehab, she wanted out of rehab, and then finally, with the murders that occurred while he was deployed in Qatar. He was out of the country when those murders occurred.
GRACE: Also with us, Alexis Weed. Alexis, we learned a lot today about the fact that she sent e-mails to her husband to hurry him home. And the reason for this, Alexis, is because she wanted her husband to find his children`s dead bodies. What did we learn?
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, we heard about a lot of e- mails today, and particularly between Parker Schenecker and his wife leading up to the murders. He was trying desperately to get his family into counseling with Julie Schenecker, and Julie Schenecker was very resistant not only to that, but also to releasing her own medical records. She did not want Parker Schenecker to know what was going on behind the scenes with her, despite his many attempts.
Now, she did say -- Parker Schenecker did say that he eventually got into counseling with the family, but as we know, the way that this story ends, it was too little, too late for the family.
GRACE: You know, Matt Zarrell also joining us, it`s very clear from her e-mails that she wanted her husband to come home and find the dead bodies. Please explain what happened in court today.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy, the pivotal time was 7:33 PM because that is when Schenecker sent an e-mail that prosecutors believe happened right after the murders. Beau`s soccer practice was from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM that night. At 7:30 PM, Schenecker sent an e-mail to her husband saying, Get home soon, we`re waiting for you, exclamation point.
GRACE: So this is after the murders, Matt, she sends him the e-mail. Liz, do we have a copy of the e-mails we can show? So after she kills them, she sends this e-mail, is that correct, Matt Zarrell?
ZARRELL: Yes. And they do know that she shot Beau on the way to soccer practice that night.
GRACE: Matt, are there any other e-mails that are of interest to this jury?
ZARRELL: I think the biggest concern here is the e-mails about the medical records because she went to great lengths to make sure that he could not have access to what her diagnosis was and what the doctor was doing to treat her.
GRACE: What did the e-mails say? What did the e-mails say?
ZARRELL: The e-mail specifically was a request for her to sign a HIPAA waiver for medical records, and she said, Hell, no, you`re out of luck. Sorry about your luck.
GRACE: Now -- but why -- why was she so angry about him trying to get her medical records? And why did he want her medical records?
ZARRELL: Well, he only wanted the medical records, Nancy, because he wanted to help her. He felt like he didn`t know the whole story, and he wanted to contribute to the family. And this also contradicts Schenecker`s belief that the husband was -- wanted a divorce and that was the reasoning. Parker Schenecker testified he did not want a divorce.
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GRACE: In the last hours, the defense takes center stage in a Tampa courtroom. But the reality is, big mistake for the defense, putting the husband, Parker Schenecker, back on the stand, the father of the two dead children, Calyx and Beau.
Back to you, Matt Zarrell. More evidence came in today and in the last hours regarding her health. What else stands out to you about what you heard in court today?
ZARRELL: Well, I think a couple big things. Most importantly, was around the time she went to rehab, which was on November 10th of 2010. It`s just a few short weeks before the murders. She got into a car accident two days before rehab. Now, when she got into the car accident, Nancy, she was on her way to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. But before getting in her car and going to the meeting, she decided to have a couple glasses of wine first. And then she rear-ended a car and sent him flying hundreds of feet in the air. The car went skidding down the road.
Schenecker was immediately sent to the rehab facility a couple days later. Parker Schenecker would not let her back in the house unless she went to rehab.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Patrick McDonough, defense attorney, Atlanta, Hugo Rodriguez, defense attorney and former fed with the FBI out of Miami.
OK, Hugo, when she was treated -- you guys, you defense attorneys have been screaming from the get-go insanity. But just before these incidents, she was treated in rehab for alcohol and drugs. And they gave her a clean bill of health to be released.
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They`re not psychiatrists. If someone`s insane, it doesn`t mean they`re not an alcoholic or a drug addict. She`s had expert testimony presented that she was insane at the time. And that`ll prevail at the end of the day. Unfortunately, the lady is crazy.
GRACE: Oh, hold on. Wa-wait. Wait a minute. Meredyth Censullo, who stated that she was insane at the time? Is there a doctor that actually treated her that says this?
CENSULLO: Well, the three psychiatrists -- well, two psychiatrists and a psychologist that have been on the stand in the past two days, none of them treated Julie before the crimes occurred. They`re all reviewing medical histories, relying on interviews with her after the fact. So they`re all saying she`s insane, but none of them...
GRACE: After the fact?
CENSULLO: ... have had any contacts with her.
GRACE: Meredyth, so she`s coming up with a defense. So Patrick McDonough, you and Hugo insisting she`s insane -- the reality is, people that treated her, the shrinks that treated her said she was not insane, that she was voluntarily high on booze and drugs.
Now that she killed her children, shrinks have come in, paid for by the defense, and said, Oh, yes, she was insane. They were all wrong. All the doctors that were treating her, they`re wrong, but us. Now that she`s charged with the crime, we`re right. Is that what you`re saying?
PATRICK MCDONOUGH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No. Look, this is not a case where somebody commits a crime and then says, Oh, I was temporarily insane. This is a woman that there`s evidence she was molested as a child, had different suicidal ideations, has been to psychiatric care throughout her history. That`s why the husband was testifying...
GRACE: That`s not true.
MCDONOUGH: Yes, she`s had different mental issues throughout. And here`s the thing...
GRACE: Yes, booze and alcohol.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: And we had one doctor say she was bipolar.
MCDONOUGH: No, no. We had a doctor said she was bipolar that had psychiatric episodes. And this is where that she can lose control...
GRACE: She was bipolar and depressed.
MCDONOUGH: ... and not know the difference between right and wrong. So if she thinks her children might be molested like she was, if she thinks that they might be bipolar, like she was...
(CROSSTALK)
MCDONOUGH: ... it would be better for them -- for them to die and her to die and go to heaven than to live here, there is a chance under Florida law...
GRACE: Oh, whoa, whoa! Wait a minute!
MCDONOUGH: ... that`s not guilty by reason of insanity.
GRACE: Wait a minute! Psychotherapist Leslie Austin -- you know, gentlemen, I respect you a lot. But you have a JD, not MD, is that correct? Yes. OK.
Psychotherapist Dr. Leslie Austin. Dr. Leslie, before she murdered her children, not one shrink, psychiatrist, psychotherapist, nobody said she was insane. In fact, she was in treatment for drugs and alcohol after she crashed a car, boozed up on Oxycontin. And the father wouldn`t even let her back in the home. She was given a clean bill of health.
Do you want to tell me that some shrink would let her walk out the door if she was psychotic and insane?
LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Here`s the thing. You cannot necessarily predict what someone will do in the future. But she showed extremely aberrant behavior. She was on something like 10 different medications for mental issues and emotional issues. This was not...
GRACE: No, she wasn`t.
AUSTIN: That`s what...
GRACE: No, she wasn`t.
AUSTIN: That`s the information...
GRACE: No, she wasn`t.
AUSTIN: ... I was given. OK, this is...
GRACE: She was taking them, but no doctor prescribed all of those pills together. She was...
AUSTIN: That`s an unstable person...
GRACE: ... choosing to take them!
AUSTIN: Here`s the bottom line...
GRACE: She`s a drug addict. That`s what that is. And that`s not a defense.
AUSTIN: Bottom line -- bottom line is, you can be an alcoholic, you can be a drug addict, you can premeditate and plan perfectly from a false premise and be insane. You can plan from a psychotic basis. This is one of the very rare cases where I would go for the insanity defense. And I almost never go for it.
GRACE: Well, I (INAUDIBLE) hear that, Leslie, but according to what the doctor is saying on the stand, Matt Zarrell, his wife was not insane.
ZARRELL: Yes, and the key factor here is we`re talking about the difference between right and wrong. All of her actions before and after the crime show that she knew what she was degrees was wrong. She went out of her way to avoid detection. And she arranged it so that the husband would be the first one home to discover the bodies.
GRACE: Oh, and the other thing, Matt Zarrell, isn`t it true evidence came out today that prior to shooting her children, the little girl, Calyx -- her and her mom talked on the phone saying, I never loved Calyx.
ZARRELL: That`s correct.
GRACE: I only loved Beau.
ZARRELL: Absolutely. That`s what was testified to.
GRACE: OK. Well, Mommy`s got a one-way ticket to hell!
When we come back, Scooby-Doo, Shaggy, Robin in Batman, Transformers, Peter Cottontail, the star of "America`s Top 40" missing tonight amidst speculation his much younger wife has taken him out of the country.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, now we`re up to our long distance dedication...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The children of radio legend Casey Kasem are still fighting to see their father.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a man we saw, you know, every single week, talked to him every single day on the phone until he lost his voice.
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GRACE: Scooby Doo, Shaggy, Robin and Batman, host of America`s top 40, Transformer, Peter Cottontail. He`s missing tonight amidst speculation his much younger wife has taken him out of the country. Possible motive, money, of course. Even his children can`t seem to find him to make sure he has not been forced to change his will.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY KASEM: I`m Casey Kasem. Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
With the video that reaches members of your immediate and extended family, here is Cyndi Lauper and "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jeanne Kasem`s attorney said he did not know where the former "American Top 40" host was, but knew he had been removed from the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Kim Serafin, senior editor "In Touch Weekly," what is happening to Scooby Doo? Where is he? And Shaggy, correct? Casey Kasem.
KIM SERAFIN, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: Yes. Exactly. It`s so sad, because I think so many of us remember hearing his voice, grew up hearing Casey Kasem`s voice, so this is so sad in so many ways. We don`t know where Casey Kasem is. We do know that a judge yesterday did appoint his daughter, Kari, a temporary conservator. They are due back in court on June 20 to find out if this will be a permanent conservatorship. But we don`t know where Casey is. Kari did say on her Facebook page, she believes that her stepmother, Casey`s wife Jeanne, removed Casey from the country or that he is on an Indian reservation.
GRACE: Hold on right there. Alan Duke, the voice of Shaggy, Batman, Transformers, on an Indian reservation? Why? What`s happening, Alan?
ALAN DUKE, CNN DIGITAL REPORTER: I don`t really think this is about money and about his will. Because, the children have already said that they don`t expect to be included in the will based on the conversations years ago with their father. It is really about saying good-bye or spending his last months or years with him. He has this thing called Louie Body dementia. We found it`s not Parkinson`s disease, it is Louie body, which is similar to that. And they only found out yesterday that that`s what it was, because until yesterday, the children were unable to talk to the doctors for legal reasons.
GRACE: To Dr. Michelle Dupre, medical examiner, forensic pathologist joining me out of Columbia, Dr. Dupre, what is the Louie body dementia? What is that?
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Louie body dementia is a degenerative dementia, and it`s caused by this thing called Louie bodies that build up in the brain. The interesting part is, it can build up in different places in the brain, affecting different parts, such as speech, or memory, but it doesn`t necessarily act like Parkinson`s disease.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots of Casey Kasem, the voice of Shaggy, Robin, and Batman, Transformers, Peter Cottontail, TV star of "America`s Top 40." Missing tonight. Alan Duke, explain to me the Indian reservation aspect. Why would you take someone to an Indian reservation? Is it because they are beyond state and federal law on an Indian reservation? They`ve got their own law?
DUKE: That`s the only thing I can figure. But whatever -- wherever he is, the lawyer for Jeanne, the wife, argued yesterday that because he is not in California anymore, he is outside the jurisdiction of the court, the judge said that`s not true. I won`t buy that, and appointed Kari, the daughter, as the conservator. But if you can`t find him, you can`t really enforce the conservatorship.
GRACE: To Troy Martin joining us now from LA, special guest, the attorney for Kari Kasem. You know, Troy, I can`t even imagine this happening to my father. What are your client`s feelings?
TROY MARTIN, ATTORNEY: They are very scared at the moment. Our greatest fear is that we won`t be able to find him in time to prevent anything terrible from happening to him.
GRACE: Why is this happening? Why has he been taken out of the country or to some Indian reservation? Is it true that it has nothing to do with a will? What is it about? Why is he being hidden?
MARTIN: I can`t speak to Mrs. Kasem`s motives. I do know that it is not about money. We have gone into court and asked for control just of his medical care. We are not seeking control of the estate. As was reported earlier, the kids have known for years that they have a very little portion of that. And they are comfortable with that.
GRACE: Clark Goldband, everybody is saying it is not about money, it is not about money. And I really believe his children have his health at heart. What do we know about his estate?
GOLDBAND: Who can forget the phrase, Nancy, keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. Well, Casey Kasem a legend. His fortune estimated at over $80 million, according to reports. At his peak, Nancy, he was on over 1,000 radio stations around the world. Think about that nowadays, folks. A thousand stations. And his library, his catalog, absolutely incredible. 2,000 episodes of cartoons. He`s done voices on over 10,000 commercials, Nancy.
GRACE: Clark, you know who John David, my son, is obsessed with. Scooby Doo. We have seen all the episodes. Take a look at this home. Troy Martin, back to the attorney for Casey Kasem`s daughter, Kari Kasem. I know you guys are saying, it`s not about the money, it`s not about the money. That may be true for the children. But does the wife, is she with him right now, wherever he is? Is that what we believe?
MARTIN: We believe that, yes, she is with him. That`s the information we received. We were actually tipped off by a relative of hers they were making these plans to go to Washington and hide out in an Indian reservation.
GRACE: I don`t understand that. Not to be around your children at a time like this. Everyone, the search on for TV and radio star Casey Kasem. Troy Martin, thank you for being with us.
When we come back, convicted killer Jodi Arias guilty of the murder of 30-year-old Travis Alexander, her boyfriend. He was found slaughtered in the shower stall of his own home. But the jury deadlocks on the death penalty. At this hour, Arias set to meet her new jury.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jody`s fate is in the hands of the jury.
JODI ARIAS: I wish it was a nightmare that I could wake up from.
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GRACE: And now to Phoenix. Convicted killer Jodi Arias, guilty in the murder of her boyfriend, 30-year-old Travis Alexander. He was found slumped dead in the shower of his home, shot and stabbed 29 times, but the jury deadlocks on the death penalty. At this hour, Jodi Arias set to meet her new jury.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911 emergency.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My boyfriend is dead in his bedroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nine days out of 10, I don`t like Jodi Arias.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The gun went off.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First-degree murder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t mean to shoot him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I grabbed the gun, I didn`t mean to fire it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guilty.
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GRACE: Straight out to Jean Casarez, CNN correspondent who covered the entire Jodi Arias trial along with me. Everybody, as you recall, the jury deadlocked on the DP, death penalty. Jean Casarez, she is getting ready to meet a whole new jury. What is happening?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A date to set, September 8 of this year, 2014. That`s to be the retrial of the penalty phase. There`s going to be a big hearing this Friday. Sealed, Nancy, no one can go into the courtroom, one of those secret hearings. But we understand it is all about whether there will be cameras in the courtroom.
GRACE: So Jean Casarez, why doesn`t the judge or one of the parties want cameras in the courtroom?
CASAREZ: Well, there have been many legal motions back and forth. But I think the issue is, to be very legalease for a second, defendant`s right to a fair trial, and they believe that those cameras may have negated that right to a fair trial or potentially on appeal.
But I think it`s an open issue. If there`s going to be a hearing on Friday.
GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, you`re not only a correspondent with CNN. You`re also a lawyer. And our Constitution is written to state that the courtroom will be open. There is no detergent like sunshine, right? When the Constitution was written, that meant -- and this is in the legislative minutes of the Constitution, that it should be a very big town hall, as they said, so all the community could watch the trial and see justice unfold.
In this day and age, that means a camera in the courtroom. So the whole community, the legal community, can see what`s happening. People, in other words, that are interested in justice unfolding. Whether you`re a lawyer or a judge or not. That`s why I`m stymied. Another thing, Jean Casarez, is that say that publicity somehow, a public hearing is somehow hurting her when she is the one that takes to Twitter and is constantly tweeting out, still doing it, either her or someone she has do it for her, garnering public support.
CASAREZ: Right. You know, also, what you`re saying is, because you and I are advocates of cameras before our Court TV days, even if the courtroom is open and you can sit in there and no cameras, I can go outside and I can tell you everything I just saw, and a camera could actually tell it better.
GRACE: And God willing, Jean Casarez, you will be telling us, and I`ll be right there with you.
Everybody, Jodi Arias, set to meet her new jury. So Jean, what can you tell me about how they are going to strike the new jury? Are they importing jurors from another jurisdiction?
CASAREZ: Nancy, I wish I could tell you every bit of that. But in the last year since we were there in Arizona for the trial and the verdict, the hearings have been closed. There has not been information about how they are going to do what they are going to do. I can tell you this much, they do not sequester juries in Arizona. So that is definitely not going to happen.
GRACE: Jean Casarez, CNN correspondent. See you in the courtroom, Jean.
CASAREZ: All right, Nancy.
GRACE: Everybody, when we come back, a judge rules, logging on to online dating services, just logging on, dating services while married is grounds for divorce.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Be careful about your online activity. What you think of as harmless flirtation might get you into divorce court.
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GRACE: Welcome back.
A judge rules that logging on to online dating services while married is grounds for divorce?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whether meeting online or offline, the risk can be the same.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But is online flirting where the parties never even meet also enough to end a marriage? It apparently is for at least one judge.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your next relationship could be just a couple of flicks away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Be careful about your online activity. What you think of as harmless flirtation might get you into divorce court.
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GRACE: With me, HLN correspondent, Yasmin Basugian (ph), Yasmin, does this mean that -- I`m going to blame it on the man, okay? So he goes on. Never intending to actually meet someone but goes on like going shopping and never actually makes contact with the person, that that could be ground for divorce?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a man who is 43 years old. He was asking for a divorce from his wife. The wife was caught online flirting. They have 3 kids. They`ve been married for 18 years. She had inappropriate conversations with people online and she sent very explicit pictures, Nancy.
GRACE: To Marlene Brown, family law attorney and author of "The Divorce Process." Marlene, is the thinking that if you`re talking to someone and becoming intimate with them online, even though you`ve never met and it`s not physical, that it`s a breach of the marital vows, is that the thinking?
MARLENE BROWN: That is the thinking of this one judge, but he`s rather alone in this opinion, because in most states, adultery is the grounds, not infidelity. Infidelity can be a breach of the marital contract, a breach of your agreement, but adultery requires sexual intercourse, which you don`t get over the Internet. So I think this judge is singular.
GRACE: To Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist. Dr. Leslie, what is it considered cheating of the heart, adultery in the heart, although you never meet the person, you never hook up at a hotel, you never have a date, you never go to a movie? But let`s just say it`s been hours and hours chatting and talking about sex and how you want to leave your wife or your husband. Blah, blah. You know, it`s so predictable, somebody do something different. But in that scenario, is that considered, does that qualify as emotional cheating?
DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, it`s certainly emotional infidelity, but it may not be grounds for a divorce. People talk to their friends all the time. To me, the difference is did she take action, sending the pictures is an action. If she`d met anyone, yes, that`s a real problem. It speaks to a very poor marriage and not communication between the husband and the wife.
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GRACE: According to one judge, trolling the Internet on dating services, when you are married, is grounds for divorce. Stacey Newman, tell me again the (inaudible) scenario?
NEWMAN: Nancy, the wife says she actually was depressed, so that`s why she logged onto this website.
GRACE: Wait, little girl. Depressed? I want to know, I don`t want to hear her excuses as to why she`s trolling dating services while married, OK? Just tell me what happened.
NEWMAN: What happened is this wife logged onto this social networking site. She was flirting with men. She was exchanging pictures, and the husband said he wanted a divorce. The judge ruled in the husband`s favor, saying that this constitutes an extramarital relationship.
GRACE: Okay. Marlene Brown joining me from Westville, New Jersey, family law attorney, author of "The Divorce Process." Also with me Patrick McDonough and Hugo Rodriguez. To all of you lawyers, if find my husband trolling dating services on the Internet, exchanging photos, talking about wanting to date -- date? Are you kidding me, that`s what you do before you give birth to twins. I`d want a divorce, too. When I think about me laying up in that hospital, nearly dead, giving birth to John David and Lucy and then he`s possibly on the Internet talking about I want to date, you know what? No, divorce right then. You know what, Marlene Brown, I need your phone number, I`m so worked up about it. I would want a divorce.
BROWN: You`re not going to have an adultery ground over dating websites, but social media sites, status updates, online photo albums, dating profiles, are all used as evidence all the time.
GRACE: Patrick McDonough, what about it?
MCDONOUGH: Let`s be clear. In most jurisdictions there`s no fault divorces. You can say things are irretrievably broken and I want a divorce. It doesn`t matter if they`re on the Internet or you`re mad because they are flirting with the neighbor, or whatever they`re doing -- most jurisdictions--
GRACE: Whoa, nobody said anything about miss hot pants living next door, nobody said anything about a neighbor. We`re talking about strictly online. If you defend it too much, I`m sending a tape of tonight`s show to your wife, so think very carefully what you have to say.
MCDONOUGH: First off, very clear, very happy relationship, wonderful wife. But let me be absolutely clear here. No fault divorces are allowed anywhere in the United States.
GRACE: Okay, everybody. Let`s stop and remember American hero, Marine Staff Sergeant Daniel Hanson, 24, Tracy, California. Purple Heart, Navy Marine Corps Achievement Medal. National Defense Service Medal. Loved mixed martial arts, hiking, writing stories. Parents Delbert and Shelly, twin brother Matthew, sisters Katie Ann and Trina. Fiancee, Emily. Daniel Hanson, American hero.
And tonight, a special good night from friends of the show, Jean, Jane and Carol. Aren`t they beautiful ladies? Everyone, tonight I`m wearing turquoise in support of the National Women`s Lung Health Week and the American Lung Association`s (inaudible). Lung cancer, the No. 1 cancer killer for women. For more info, go to lungforce.org. Everybody, Drew is up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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