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Sandra Bullock Victim of Hot Prowler; Tracy Martin Injured in Truck Crash
Aired June 09, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live. NBC`s "30 Rock" and "Saturday Night Live" star near death after a sleeping truck
driver slams into the vehicle. And tonight, movie star icon -- think "Gravity," "Speed," "The Blind Side," "The Heat," "Miss Congeniality" --
Sandra Bullock the victim of the "hot prowler."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actor-comedian Tracy Morgan is in critical condition after a deadly car crash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A tractor-trailer slammed into his limousine bus.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The impact flipped Morgan`s vehicle on its side.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandra Bullock had a rude awakening. An intruder broke into her home while she was there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say they received a hot prowler call, which means a resident inside saw someone...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And to Nottingham, Maryland. The dad of a little girl beats her 42-year-old teacher with a baseball bat after, quote, "inappropriate
texts" the teacher sends to the little girl. Tonight, the law is bass- ackwards! Is the bat-wielding dad actually going to be criminally charged with assault?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An inappropriate emotional relationship.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Texts on her daughter`s cell phone between the 15-year-old daughter and this teacher.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For report of a disturbance.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The teacher showed up at the home uninvited. There was an altercation between him and the father. The father struck him
with a baseball bat.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And then to Glendan (ph), Minnesota, a mother of three arrested for DUI. Whoa! When she`s arrested, she has three Jell-o shots
still stuffed in her pockets?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A mother of three is pulled over after allegedly speeding and swerving across the road. Twenty-eight-year-old Kathy Sanchez
(ph) was slurring her words, had bloodshot eyes and smelled like liquor. Inside her pockets, they say they found three Jell-o shots.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, the star of the hit reality show "Long Island Medium" a big fake, a phony, a fraud? Can that be? Tonight, the "Long
Island Medium," Teresa Caputo (ph).
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Teresa. Nice to meet you. And I`m a psychic medium.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Famed TV star Teresa Caputo is reportedly facing allegations from one man she`s a fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What, are you kidding me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We go live. NBC`s "30 Rock" and "Saturday Night Live" star near death after a sleeping truck driver slams into the vehicle.
And tonight, movie star icon -- think "Gravity," "Speed," "The Blind Side," "The Heat," "Miss Congeniality" -- Sandra Bullock the victim of a "hot
prowler."
Straight out to Alan Duke, CNN`s digital reporter. First of all, a "hot prowler" is someone you believe is going in to burglarize or prowl in
the home, and they do it while the victim is at home. But this is what I noticed tonight, Alan Duke, is that this guy was in the home with Sandra
Bullock, who was sleeping.
ALAN DUKE, CNN DIGITAL: Yes. How did he get over that fence? Sandra Bullock has this chain-link fence around her residence in West Los Angeles
and barbed wire on top of that. So this 39-year-old man...
GRACE: OK, hold on! Hold on, Alan! Take a look at your monitor. Liz, can you roll it back?
Everybody, in the last hour, as we learned, Sandra Bullock at home, with a guy, a prowler, possibly a stalker, going through her home. Check
out all the barbed wire on top of that fence. There`s a stone fence with barbed wire on top of it.
How the hey, Alan Duke, did this guy -- he really wanted to get in the home with Sandra Bullock, huh?
DUKE: That`s the point. I mean, you`ve got to be determined to climb over that and hazard this. Now, this is at 6:30 in the morning, not
usually your hour of burglary. I mean, you`re a prosecutor. You know...
GRACE: Hold on.
DUKE: ... they usually...
GRACE: Back it up, Alan.
DUKE: ... pick more convenient hours...
GRACE: Let`s see Alan.
DUKE: ... than 6:30.
GRACE: Are you saying the alarm went off at 6:30?
DUKE: Well, that`s when the call was. We know that there was the hot prowler call to 911, and that was at 6:30. And that`s when they found him
there.
GRACE: How long do I know...
DUKE: Maybe he was there an hour or two earlier.
GRACE: ... he was in the home, though, Alan? For all I know, he`s been sneaking around the home for hours, probably looking at Sandra Bullock
lying there sleeping. What woke her up?
DUKE: I don`t know what woke her up. But let me tell you, when they told us who this guy was, I started doing some checking on him. And I
found some interesting facts about this man. He`s got pretty much a clean criminal record, a couple of speeding tickets, as best I can tell.
GRACE: I thought he...
DUKE: But he is...
GRACE: I thought he had a lot of DUIs.
DUKE: I found some San Bernardino, California, speeding tickets. There may have been DUIs connected. I haven`t found any record of that.
You know, I`m not law enforcement. I can`t check everything. But I can tell you he is licensed as a pilot to fly small aircraft.
GRACE: So this is what we know then -- everybody, with me and taking your calls, Alan Duke, CNN digital reporter -- is that Sandra Bullock
becomes aware at 6:30 in the morning there`s a man in her house. She has been to an event where she was honored, I think by Matthew McConaughey.
Who else was there, Stacey? The night before this -- Keanu Reeves, who starred with her in "Speed," and one other guy. Was it Hugh Grant? I
think it was Hugh Grant. They were all honoring her at some Hollywood event.
She comes home, gets ready, goes to bed. She wakes up, everybody. There`s a man in her home. So she gets to a phone, calls police. That`s
at 6:30 AM. How he got over that stone wall covered in barbed wire, I don`t know.
Alan Duke, don`t move. Justin Freiman, were we able to dig up a little more on this guy? Who is he?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, we have, Nancy. We`ve actually found out that he has been found guilty a few times
of DUI. And as was reported, he is a pilot allowed to fly small planes.
GRACE: So when you say a few DUIs, what -- this is like pulling a tooth! I`m a J.D. I`m not a dental student. How many -- OK, here we go -
- DUI guilty `95, 2000, 2000, 2003. All right. So -- and then Alan dug up several traffic offenses. Don`t care about those.
So Alan Duke, the mystery is still how long had he been in the home and how did he get in there, Alan?
DUKE: Investigators aren`t telling us very much at all. This is the Los Angeles Police Department, and they`re not the most open on this point
of an investigation. So we really don`t know. But you brought up a really good point. Had he been there before? And how long had he been there?
Apparently, he knew how to get in without getting chopped up by the barbed wire.
GRACE: Well, and everybody, you`re seeing video from the movie "Gravity," from Warner Bros. That`s Sandra Bullock starring in that, OK,
shot to fame with "Miss Congeniality," and she`s been on top ever since. In the last hours, we find out she becomes aware at 6:30 in the morning a
guy is in her home.
I`m just wondering -- Liz, could you show us again that gate -- because, Alan, I`m wondering if this gate -- there`s the fence. There`s a
gate. It opens when delivery trucks and other vehicles come in. Could he have gotten in behind a truck and had been there all day long? So what
happens when police get there, Alan?
DUKE: Well, police get there and they find him there in the yard actually, inside the fence, I don`t believe inside the house at that point.
Doesn`t mean he hadn`t been there. But they get there, and they arrest him. They take him off to jail. He`s being held on $50,000 bond for
felony burglary.
GRACE: This is not the first time a celebrity has been stalked. Sandra Bullock has managed to somehow unwittingly attract stalkers that
follow her across the country. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The actor faced off against his stalker. Disturbing e-mails and voicemails, showing up unannounced. I am less than
10 minutes away from you tonight. Say I do to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was a romantic relationship, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to be your wife now. Say yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I`m not a stalker.
GRACE: "American Idol" superstar Paula Abdul rocked by tragedy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The body of a former "American Idol" contestant was found just outside the home of "Idol" judge Paula Abdul.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car has a license place with the letters "ABL" space "LV," meaning "Abdul Love." There was a picture of Paula hanging
from the rear-view mirror. This was obviously a really infatuated fan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s seen by many as the face of QVC.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Twenty-four hours of fashion, a special offer...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports say the former Miss Tennessee fearful for her safety, multiple men accused of stalking her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like, get it off of me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was one of the greatest players of her generation. Monica Seles dominated women`s tennis. During a match, an
obsessed fan of her rival, Steffi Graf, ran onto the court and stabbed Seles in the back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A series of strange incidents involving the late-night legend. Margaret Ray, you might remember, was arrested for
routinely trespassing on Letterman`s Connecticut property before she committed suicide. A man who used to work on Letterman`s Montana ranch was
charged with plotting to kidnap Letterman`s son.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The man who used to stalk Madonna, he escaped from the mental hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is still obsessed with Madonna.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Freaked out as much as I have.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hoskins (ph) scrawled graffiti in his jail cell professing his strange love for Madonna.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Madonna, I love you. Will you be my wife?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Before I take you to the scene of the Tracy Morgan crash, to Lou Palumbo, bodyguard to the stars, director of Elite Intelligence and
Protection. Lou, thank you for being with us. I think there`s more to us than him coming in to burglarize. When police got there, he had nothing.
He had already been in the home. We don`t know how long he had been in there.
When the police finally got there, he had come out of the home. He wasn`t in a hurry at all. He apparently had been there for a long time,
and he made Sandra Bullock aware of his presence, and she called police. What do you think, Lou?
LOU PALUMBO, CELEBRITY BODYGUARD: I think this individual is probably stalking her for a far longer period of time than she realized. And as you
had suggested earlier, when an opportunity arised (sic) where he could sneak onto the property behind a vehicle, that`s exactly what he did. And
he laid in wait...
GRACE: Oh!
PALUMBO: ... until she probably returned from her event the night before.
GRACE: You know, the thought of Sandra Bullock, who`s one of my all- time favorites, lying there asleep in her home with this guy staring at her in her sleep, out in the hall outside her bedroom -- very quickly,
everybody, that guy is behind bars.
But let`s talk about Tracy Morgan. To you again, Alan Duke, Tracy Morgan right now still in critical condition, the star of NBC`s "30 Rock,"
and of course, from "Saturday Night Live." What happened, Alan?
DUKE: Well, his limo -- and this is a limo bus, one of those big ones that carry a bunch of people, a van really -- was hit from behind by a
Walmart truck, a driver who has -- apparently hadn`t been able to sleep, because of his job or some other reason, for 24 hours.
GRACE: But there are laws...
DUKE: And it caused a horrific collision.
GRACE: ... against that, Alan Duke.
DUKE: Yes.
GRACE: The federal regulations are you`re not supposed to go over, I think, 10 to 14 hours at a time. This guy allegedly on Twitter brags, It`s
my road, move or get hit.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actor-comedian Tracy Morgan is in critical condition after a deadly car crash. The impact flipped Morgan`s vehicle on
its side, killing one person and injuring several others.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Rob Shuter, host of "The Gossip Table," Naughtybutnicerob.com. Rob, thanks for being with us. Federal truckers
are regulated by -- well, truckers are regulated by federal law, which states they cannot be on the road, I believe, it`s either 10 to 14 hours at
a time. What happened, Rob?
ROB SHUTER, "THE GOSSIP TABLE": This is going to be a huge point here in this case. So all these truckers have to keep a log. They have to...
GRACE: Whoa! Look at that car! Look, look, look, look, look! Tracy Morgan came out of that thing alive? Let`s see the video, please. There`s
the Walmart semi. When you see Tracy Morgan`s car -- he was on the way back -- there it is -- from work. He had a gig that night. He had, I
think, a writer with him, several other people with him, one person dead tonight.
And isn`t it true, Rob Shuter, he usually travels with his 11-month- old baby girl?
SHUTER: Yes, that`s true.
GRACE: And who else?
SHUTER: He has quite a large entourage. His best friend he normally travels with. He travels with his family. He`s a real family guy. And
when he does these gigs in Connecticut or wherever they might be, they do travel as a group.
But you`re right, when you see that bus, that wasn`t flipped, that was destroyed. It was absolutely a miracle that anybody got out of that thing
safe. Look at it.
GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. There is a fatality, though.
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You`re absolutely right. It was his head writer, one of his best friends. And in fact, he had been sharing
pictures on Instagram just a few hours before the accident, showing how luxurious this limousine is. It`s a bus. They can stand up. Doesn`t
appear that anybody had a seatbelt on. So there is one man dead. And the driver, he went to jail. He turned himself in. It was a $50,000 bail.
And he paid it and he is already out of jail.
GRACE: Whoa! He`s already out? Did he pay it or did Walmart pay it for him?
TERESZCUK: I do not know who paid it, but he was able to come up with the $50,000. He`s only 35 years old...
GRACE: Well, the other thing is, Alexis, when you have a $50,000 bail, you only have to meet 10 percent of that in cash to get out. So you
don`t have to get the whole amount. You put up, I think, 10 percent in most cases.
Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight out of Atlanta, Shireen Hormozdi, defense attorney. Also with me here in New York, Robert Schalk,
defense attorney.
First of all, to you, Shireen Hormozdi. He`s looking at, if convicted, at least 16 years behind bars because this is not a DUI charge.
It`s not alleged that he`s using drugs. It`s alleged that he fell asleep and crashed into this car, killing one and critically wounding four others.
That, in that jurisdiction, is death by auto, what many of us call vehicular homicide. And six years due to assault charges, four counts at
18 months each.
I think the quick turn-around with him being charged, making bail and get out, Shireen Hormozdi, is because we didn`t have to wait on a
toxicology test. They did not believe he was DUI.
SHIREEN HORMOZDI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it`s going to be hard to show criminal act, though, for simply falling asleep while driving. I
think they`re overreaching here in charging him with criminal.
GRACE: Have you read the statute by chance?
HORMOZDI: I haven`t read New Jersey`s statute, but I know...
GRACE: OK. Have you ever handled a vehicular homicide case?
HORMOZDI: I have not.
GRACE: OK, here`s the deal on that. Correct me if I`m wrong, Robert Schalk. Bottom line is, if you were negligent, if you basically had a
crash -- doesn`t matter if you were DUI, doesn`t matter if you were on drugs -- and somebody dies, that`s vehicular homicide. It will be up to a
jury if it`s just a tragic accident.
ROBERT SCHALK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right, Nancy. I used to prosecute vehicular homicides or defended in vehicular homicides, and in this case,
the question`s going to boil down to the New Jersey statute requires negligence to cause the death. Was this driver negligent? And obviously,
the biggest point of contention for the defense is going to be whether or not he admitted to the police...
GRACE: Put him up!
SHUTER: ... in the investigation, whether or not he was sleep- deprived. That`s going to be the biggest point of contention here. If they cannot prove...
GRACE: Excuse me.
SHUTER: ... the sleep deprivation, just an accident of itself is not going to be good enough.
GRACE: Be a lamb.
(LAUGHTER)
GRACE: To you, Shireen Hormozdi. This is a truck driver. He drives trucks for a living, according -- apparently bragging on Twitter, It`s my
road, move or get hit. I can`t see Shireen, but I`d like to. Shireen, when you are a professional truck driver and the law tells you, federal
regulation, you can only drive for 10 to 14 hours at a time, anything else is over the law -- this guy says, he`s driving for Walmart, that he has not
slept in 24 hours. Now, he knows what the law is. He violated it.
HORMOZDI: What about Walmart? Why are they letting him drive...
(CROSSTALK)
HORMOZDI: Why is Walmart letting him drive that much?
GRACE: Could you just address -- just address what we`re talking about first. Then you can go off on Walmart.
HORMOZDI: I think an overworked driver is not a criminal act. I don`t think that it rises to that in this situation.
SHUTER: Well, Nancy, I...
GRACE: OK, I don`t know what alternate universe I`ve landed in. Let me try to go to somebody that can speak English to me here.
Alan Duke, what`s the law? The law is you cannot drive on the road as a trucker for 10 to 14 hours a hit. Is that right or wrong?
DUKE: As a journalist, I`ve covered enough criminal -- or negligence cases to tell you that that to me sounds like something he should be
charged with. The Department of Transportation regulates this. It`s federal law. And if he broke that law and this death was the result, I`m
expecting there would be charges.
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GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. With me, Robert Schalk, Shireen Hormozdi. Also with me, Alan Duke, CNN digital reporter, as well as Alexis
Tereszcuk and Rob Shuter.
OK, you know, to you two defense attorneys -- you know, it`s a sad day for you that I`ve got to go to Alan Duke, who`s a CNN digital reporter, as
well respected as you are, for the law. Here`s the law so we can get it straight. You cannot drive under federal regulations for over 11 hours
within a 14-hour period. This guy says he`s been awake for 24 hours. Isn`t that what he said?
HORMOZDI: That`s a civil violation, it`s not a criminal.
GRACE: Alan Duke -- Alan Duke -- you`re not Alan Duke. Isn`t that what he said, Alan Duke?
HORMOZDI: I am not.
DUKE: That is, yes.
GRACE: All right. So that`s the federal regulation. Knowing that, he stayed awake 24 hours. Now, here`s the question, and I`ll let the two
lawyers go crazy on Walmart. We don`t know that Walmart forced him to do that. Maybe he was trying to play catch-up. Maybe he wanted to get back
home. I don`t know. But before we prosecute Walmart, we don`t know why he was driving 24 hours, all right? So Walmart can`t be put into jail. They
can be held civilly liable. What about that, Schalk?
SHUTER: Well, Nancy, obviously, again, the case is going to be having to prove that sleep deprivation. Did they violate his rights during the
course of their interrogation and investigation in this matter?
GRACE: Wa-wa-wait! Put him up! Did they what?
SHUTER: Did they violate his rights in speaking to him?
GRACE: Who? Who, Walmart?
SHUTER: Did they properly -- no, no, no. Did they properly waive Miranda when he gave this alleged statement about being open for 24 --
being awake for 24 hours?
GRACE: So now what you`re saying, in a roundabout way, everybody, is -- Schalk, look at him! What he`s trying to say is, OK, he`s violated the
law. He caused a crash. Somebody`s dead. But did they give him his Miranda rights?
SHUTER: We need to make sure that they are held to the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If you`re going to charge him...
GRACE: You know what?
SHUTER: ... for your case.
GRACE: You`re already at the appeal. I`ll still in the investigation process.
SHUTER: Nancy, I agree with you that he can be charged. But my question is...
GRACE: Rob Shuter...
SHUTER: ... whet is the evidence?
GRACE: Let`s see -- Alexis Tereszcuk, Alan Duke and Rob Shuter. OK, Rob Shuter, the guy says he was awake for 24 hours straight. Who did he
say that to?
SHUTER: He said this to law enforcement officers. Or that`s what they are reporting. If he said it, he said it, and he`s in a lot, a lot of
trouble. He`s not (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: See, Shuter, I love it when a Brit comes over and tells me the law. That`s exactly how I feel about it, Rob Shuter. He said it! So
Alexis Tereszcuk, what is this business that Schalk`s bringing up, did they violate the truck driver`s constitutional rights?
TERESZCUK: I have no idea where that came from. That is just something pulled out of thin air. They clearly didn`t violate his
constitutional rights. In fact, he`s really gotten off very easy because he`s posted bail and he`s already out.
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GRACE: And now to Nottingham, Maryland. The dad of a little girl beats her 42-year-old male teacher with a baseball bat after, quote,
"inappropriate texts" the teacher sends to his girl. Tonight, the law is bass-ackwards! The bat-wielding dad actually going to be criminally
charged with assault?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation began when the girl`s mother showed up at a police precinct at 3:00 AM.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Texts on her daughter`s cell phone between the 15-year-old daughter and this teacher.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Got something to say to a child, then you need to say it in school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fewer than seven hours later, police would come across the same case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was an altercation between him and the father. The father struck him with a baseball bat.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The interaction should be in school, if you`re their teacher, and it should end there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, I don`t know how it`s gotten bass-ackwards like this, where the father, who admittedly was beating the teacher with a baseball
bat -- but why is he suddenly the bad guy when this 42-year-old male teacher is sending, allegedly, inappropriate texts to his girl?
Sarah Jacobs joining me, the bureau chief at All News WNEW. Sarah, thanks for being with us. This is what first struck me, Sara Jacobs, is
that the police report in this was made at 3:00 a.m. So I don`t know what the parents -- what they were doing up at 3:00 a.m. They see the text on
their girl`s cell phone from this 42-year-old man. And they get so incensed, Sara Jacobs, they call police at 3:00 a.m. It leads me to
speculate that she was up texting, the teacher was texting her at 3:00 a.m. in the morning and the mom walks by and goes, whoa, what are you doing on
the phone at 3:00 a.m.? Looks at the phone and calls the police. What do we know, Sara?
JACOBS: Well, you know, we don`t know specifics because they didn`t release any transcripts and it could be the scenario you posed. It could
be that maybe some other suspicions had been raised and she had reason to search her daughter`s phone.
GRACE: At 3:00 a.m.
JACOBS: All we do know is that these -- they were alarming enough texts that, as you said, the mother called the police at 3:00 in the
morning.
GRACE: Hold on. Out to the lines. Amber, North Carolina. As I used to tell juries, Amber, nothing good happens after midnight. Something woke
those parents up and they are on the phone to the police at 3:00 in the morning to report this teacher, this man teacher, sending these
inappropriate texts to their girl that goes to the school where he teaches. Amber, what`s your question, dear?
CALLER: I just want to say what was he supposed to do? Was he supposed to let some 42-year-old man be a pedophile to his child? Was he
not supposed to protect her at home? What are parents supposed to do?
GRACE: Hold on, Amber. Don`t hang up on her, Liz. Amber, you just brought up something really important, because the teacher shows up at the
girl`s home the next morning at 9:30 a.m., which plays into my theory that something went down at 3:00 in the morning. And Amber in North Carolina,
the teacher shows up at the girl`s house at 9:00 in the morning, Amber.
CALLER: What were the parents supposed to do? Were they supposed to let him come in and give the child a gift or was he supposed to protect his
home and his daughter with a baseball bat.
GRACE: I tell you what --
CALLER: Better than a gun.
GRACE: When you look at your child`s cell phone and see inappropriate texts from a male teacher? Huh-uh. Then the teacher shows up at your door
the next morning at 9:00 a.m.? No, something is wrong with that. Mark Klaas is with us. Mark, we all recall you in the courtroom when your
daughter`s abductor and killer tried to say disparaging comments. And -- well, let`s just play it. Roll it, Liz.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would also like to state for the record that the main reason I know that I did not attempt any lewd act that night was
because of a statement the young girl made to me when walking her up the embankment. Just don`t do me like my dad. I have to pay my dues, so
should you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Burn in hell, Davis.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, that concludes the statements.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Jacobs, do you have any comments you want to make?
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GRACE: There you see, that was Richard Davis, if I recall his name correctly, that took Polly and murdered her. And in court somehow Marc
Klaas, Polly`s father, is the bad guy, because he had an outburst in court. You know, this is the same thing right now, Marc Klaas. This father --
this teacher texting inappropriate texts. The parents see it at 3:00 a.m., call police. The next morning the teacher comes to their house, the man
comes to their house where the girl is and the father beats him with a baseball bat. What`s wrong with that?
KLAAS: Well, that`s not even quite what happened. He asked the guy to leave and he wouldn`t leave. I mean this is overt aggression, Nancy.
No. 1, we tell her children that we`ll protect them knowing full well that we can`t watch over them 24/7, but we believe that when we turn them over
to the educational institution, they will protect them. They didn`t. This guy was having what the police agreed was an inappropriate emotional
relationship with the girl, yet they said no laws were broken so there was nothing they can do. That`s two institutions that have failed to protect
this girl.
GRACE: That`s bothering me right there. Why does a 42-year-old man, why is he having an inappropriate emotional relationship with a girl, a
little girl that`s a student in his school? I don`t understand that. And now the father, who beats the teacher with the baseball bat, he`s the one
in trouble? Out to the lines. Tara, Pennsylvania, hi, Tara, what`s your question?
CALLER: Yes. (inaudible) there was no wrongdoing, how did he not like break a law? I don`t get it.
GRACE: I don`t understand that either. Unleash the lawyers. Shireen Hormozdi, Robert Schalk, the teacher, 42-year-old man is sending romantic
at best texts to a girl and somehow that`s deemed to be okay. But when the father hits the guy with a baseball bat after he comes to his house, to the
girl`s house, now he`s the bad guy. How is that, Schalk?
SCHALK: Nancy, what happened here is the police did a full investigation, read all the text messages and said that nothing illegal
happened. However, the problem for the father is there`s no law on the books in any state that says that you can take the law into your own hands.
I`m not saying that he was in the wrong as a parent, but criminally he could be charged. I`m not saying he should be charged but he could expose
himself to that.
GRACE: What you`re doing is trying to have your cake on your plate and eat it too.
SCHALK: I was doing a good job for a minute.
GRACE: It doesn`t work like that, Hormozdi, the father in this scenario has turned into the bad person. Why is that, Shireen?
HORMOZDI: We tell our children violence is not the answer. This father took the law into his own hands. He should have just called police
if he wanted him to leave. He shouldn`t hit him with a bat. That`s not sending a good example either.
GRACE: This is not the first time the law has been turned on its head and the father protecting the child has somehow turned into the bad guy.
Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say McBride admitted to having sex with the teen with the North Attleborough middle school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While in the music room. In between rehearsals with other students.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having sex with the teen in a car at the Emerald Square mall.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at me, you piece of [ bleep ]. Look at me! look at me!
GRACE: Marc Klaas, I know it`s wrong, but I only wish that you got your hands around his neck. I only wish --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to pay my dues, so should you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Burn in hell, Davis. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ].
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 47-year-old man attempting to rape his 5-year- old daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy was raping my daughter and I [ inaudible ]
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Took the girl out into some brush and attempted to molest her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her father went to look for her and found her half naked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pulled this guy off his daughter, punched him repeatedly in the face and the head and ended up killing him.
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GRACE: The star of the hit reality show Long Island Medium a big fake, phony, a fraud? Can that be? Tonight the Long Island medium,
Theresa Caputo.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you want me to continue?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This can`t be real.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now Theresa Caputo is reportedly facing allegations from one man she`s a fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not a true believer, Theresa, I`ll tell you straight up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m even a skeptic sometimes. I`m like are you crazy? How can this be?
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GRACE: Let`s go straight to Alexis Teresczuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Your website broke this story. What happened?
TERESZCUK: So apparently quite a few people have been incredibly unhappy when they have been going to Theresa`s shows, and they`re claiming
fraud. They`re saying that she is, quote, fishing so she`ll put a question out there, something like how many people have had someone die in the
audience, so she`s not actually using real medium powers or psychic powers but that she`s just guessing based on things that traditionally happen or
their clothing or their body language while they`re waiting. And in fact, other people have been accusing her of using her staff to investigate the
people that are coming to the events ahead of time so that she knows. So basically Theresa has been called a fraud.
GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing video from TLC. Take a look at the Long Island medium in action.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is beautiful in here. Oh, my god. Italian desserts are over the top to begin with. This place took it to a
completely different level.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got (inaudible) and a nice canoli.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had gelatos, they had canolis, they had Napoleons, they had everything. Excuse me, are you the owner?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m the owner`s daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Theresa. Nice to meet you. I`m a psychic medium, so as I walked into your establishment, there`s just so
much energy in this place. It is phenomenal, it is unbelievable. You`re so blessed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who built it, was it your grandfather?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My great grandfather, my great, great uncle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But who were the brothers?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They tell me the brothers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My grandfather passed, it was my father and my uncle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is your dad departed?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My dad is departed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s a crap load of spirit here right now. I shouldn`t say it like that, but I don`t know who to start with, they`re all
lined up on the stairs over there.
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GRACE: Okay, Ron Tebo, investigator, creator, website scifake.com. Why do you say Caputo is a fraud?
RON TEBO, INVESTIGATOR, SCIFAKE.COM: First I want to say thank you for having me. Because psychics and mediums do not exist. There`s no
scientific proof.
GRACE: Okay. Now that`s just an opinion that they don`t exist. Have you actually performed some type of an investigation to catch her in
alleged quackery?
TEBO: No. But I`ve done a lot of research and I`ve been an entertainer for a while. Basically what she`s doing is called cold
reading. She shoots out shotgun questions like, you know, a crowd of 250 to 300 people, who just died? Who lost a father? Who lost a son? Who
lost a dog? Out of 300 people, apparently someone did. So those are shotgun questions. She`s firing away.
GRACE: Ron, I want to see Ron Tebo.
TEBO: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Ron, I feel very much the same that you do right now.
TEBO: Okay.
GRACE: Of course you can never bring in a psychic in a court of law, so for me they didn`t exist until one night I hosted Larry King, I don`t
know if you remember his show, and we featured a case where a woman had some type of a vision. She envisioned a dead body out in a canyon. In the
middle of the night, she makes her husband and son go ride around. They find a body dressed in white, it`s a nurse. At first she was charged with
murder, because how else would she know the body was out there. In the end, it turned out that it was gang-related death and this woman had
nothing to do with it. She actually had some sort of a vision or dream and led police to the body. As I recall, it was the LAPD. Now, when I heard
that story, I quit saying psychics aren`t real, because I don`t know. But Ron, do you have any proof that her devices, that what she does is a fake?
TEBO: That`s a good question. Do I have any proof? My proof is that there is zero, no scientific proof at all that she communicates with the
dead. Now, she can speak to the dead all she wants, but she`s not communicating.
GRACE: Let`s go to Stacy Brennan, provided to us by TLC, who attended a reading by Caputo and believes in Caputo`s abilities. Stacy, weigh in.
STACY BRENNAN: Hi, how are you?
GRACE: I`m good.
BRENNAN: Good. The experience that I had and not only myself but the people I was with, I was with ten other people that evening, it was
actually beautiful. The one thing that upsets me is with what he is saying right now is scientifically that is his opinion. She knew nothing about
us, nothing. Zero. She mentioned things that nobody would ever know, especially not knowing my family. She brought up my sister-in-law. She
knew that my sister-in-law worked in a North Shore hospital. She brought up North Shore. She brought up the fact that my son had recently got a
tattoo on his arm in honor of her with angel wings. She brought that up. And little did she know that when we watched the show aired, my niece was
with us, her daughter, and when the show was over, she said aunt Stacy, come over here. She had on her side, she had on her side, she had a love
with her mother`s handwriting and angel wings. She came in right before taping started.
GRACE: Wow, okay. See, I don`t understand how she could have known all that, Stacy Brennan, who has attended a reading by Caputo, believes in
Caputo`s abilities. To Gale St. John, a psychic medium and author of "Missing and Presumed Dead," Gale has helped on a lot of criminal
investigations. As I stated, I would never put a psychic on the stand because I would be afraid of the jury`s reaction. Gail St. John, I`d like
to hear your analysis of what is happening with the Long Island medium right now.
GALE ST. JOHN, PSYCHIC MEDIUM: Well, the first thing I`ve got to say is, hello, Nancy, is I have to keep saying over and over where`s the proof?
He keeps repeating scientific proof. Now, I don`t know her personally and haven`t had a reading from her. From what I`ve seen, she appears and it
feels very legitimate, but -- and I have to say I`m a Christian. Like many of us out here are, there`s no scientific proof of God either.
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GRACE: To Glyndon, Minnesota. A mother of three arrested for DUI. When she is pulled over, she`s actually got three jell-o shots still in her
pockets.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She reportedly had blood shot eyes, slurs her speech, and smells like alcohol. 28-year-old Kathy Sanchez`s blood alcohol
level is determined to be .13 which is well above the legal limit of .08. Inside her pockets, they say they found three jell-o shots.
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GRACE: I don`t understand how you can have jell-o shots crammed in your pockets. Frank Morano, talk show host on the Answer. Frank, thank you
for being with us. So the mom`s pulled over for DUI. She has jell-o shots crammed in her pockets when she`s pulled over. But this is not her first
time at the rodeo, right, Frank? How many DUIs does she have?
FRANK MORANO: Well, five that we know of. Five convictions. And apparently this woman, Miss Sanchez, was dishonest about just about
everything except how many times she`d been arrested for DWI. Even after giving the police a fake name after being caught this time, she told the
police, yes, I`ve been busted five times for drinking and driving. And she`s not just limited to the state of Minnesota. It was several times in
Minnesota and several times in North Dakota. So this is a woman that`s clearly very, very committed to drinking and driving.
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GRACE: A mother of three on her fifth dui pulled over with three jell-o shots still in her pockets. Straight out to Brian Melton, Clay
County prosecuting attorney. Brian, thank you for being with us. What exactly is a jell-o shot?
MELTON: Hi, Nancy. Jell-o shot I guess is jell-o mixed with alcohol. For somebody who wants to, I suppose, keep the party going and keep some
alcohol with them. I guess it`s her opportunity to keep that with her and keep it in her pocket.
GRACE: Well, Brian, I think you`re going to have to do a little field investigation on jell-o shots before you take this case to a jury. To Dr.
Michelle Dupre, medical examiner, forensic pathologist. She was .136. Blood alcohol limit there is .08. What does that mean, Dr. Dupre?
DUPRE: Nancy, that is a very high level really of alcohol. It`s the point where you begin to have difficulty talking, walking, maybe even
standing up. Your judgment is severely impaired. Your perception and your actions are also very slow. You could even have a blackout at that level.
GRACE: With me, joining us now out of L.A., Greg Cason, psychologist, former star of Bravo`s L.A. Shrinks. Greg, thanks for being with us. She
told police who pulled her over she`d been arrested five times for DUI. She`s obviously an alcoholic. So what`s the answer? She`s a habitual
violator now. That`s a felony.
CASON: Yes, she is a habitual violator and really needs to be taken away from cars and off the streets altogether. She doesn`t get put into
jail, which is very likely, she needs to be put into a residential treatment facility. She needs to be removed not only from alcohol, but
from endangering other people.
GRACE: With me, Sheryl McCollom, former director of MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia. Sheryl, I have to hear your response.
Every time you`re arrested for DUI, how many times have you driven drunk?
MCCOLLOM: Oh, Nancy, she`s driven drunk probably the majority of the time she`s behind the wheel of a car. The issue I`ve got with the jell-o
shots is twofold. No. 1, it`s probably made with vodka, which means the police can`t smell the alcohol on her breath, and No. 2, it`s meant to hit
you like a ton of bricks. Because when she does the three shots, that`s like having three margaritas, but instead of having them over the period of
an hour and a half, you`re having them simultaneously.
GRACE: So the thing about a jell-o shot, I couldn`t get in my head, is how you carry them in your pocket. What are they, the consistency of
jell-o?
MCCOLLOM: They are. And they`re somewhat frozen which is probably the reason she had them in her pocket to warm them up a bit so she could
take the shot.
GRACE: You know a little too much about jell-o shots, Sheryl McCollom, but thank you. Brian Melton, prosecuting attorney, she blew a
.136? Or was that a blood alcohol test?
MELTON: That`s a blood alcohol. A breath test. So she`s at a high level. She`s well over the .08. And she`s somebody that`s obviously a
public safety risk and somebody that we need to keep off the street and get into prison.
GRACE: Hey, Brian, just out of curiosity, where were her children?
MELTON: We don`t know where her children were at the time. She was out at the bar, she was picking up another individual, a guy, and then got
into a car with him. Was driving his car. And then looking to continue the fun. They were planning on going to casino, and I guess continue to
drink, and she`s obviously at a high level of intoxication, and obviously not caring about public safety. I mean, she`s been in prison before for
DWI. Just out and now back getting caught again with a new offense.
GRACE: Everybody, let`s stop and remember American hero, Marine Lance Corporal Phillip Vennedge, just 19, St. Charles, Missouri. Purple Heart,
Combat Action Ribbon. National Defense Service Medal. Loved volunteering for Toys for Tots. Football, sky diving. Parents, Dave and Julie.
Brothers, Corey and Jason. Phillip Vennedge, American hero.
I want to thank you again for being with us tonight. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night,
friend.
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