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Nancy Grace
Boy Molested in McDonald`s Bathroom; Seattle Doctor Sexting During Surgeries
Aired June 10, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live to Dallas. How many times does the whole family go to McDonald`s for a shake, fries, a Happy
Meal?
Bombshell tonight, reports a boy molested in a McDonald`s bathroom.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A boy was allegedly sexually assaulted by a man virtually twice his age. Where? A McDonald`s bathroom. Authorities say
the call came in during breakfast hours. In the restaurant, police respond and arrest the 29-year-old man.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Seattle. Before you go under, the last thing you want to see is your doctor sexting on his iPhone. But that`s exactly what
happened with the well-respected Seattle anesthesiologist.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Arthur Zilberstein texted sexually explicit messages from the operating room on several occasions. The doctor even
texted, I`m hell-a-busy (ph) with C-sections, and even sent out selfies displaying his genitals.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, Vegas, two cops at a Cici`s Pizza Buffet gunned down in cold blood, when the shooters, a young married couple, take their
killing spree to Walmart, where a good citizen tries to stop them only to be gunned down himself. The married anti-government fanatics then hunker
down in the back of Walmart, prepared for battle with police snipers. In the last hours, we uncover the lurid past of the shooters, Jerad and Amanda
Miller, hate-filled anti-U.S. anarchists who dress as Slenderman and the Joker in their spare time.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re on our way to Vegas, baby.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This seemingly happy couple are (INAUDIBLE) deadly shooting rampage in Las Vegas that left three dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need to tell her I`m running for president, one world order with me at the head of it!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, Seattle, a two-time convicted child sex offender takes off his shirt, ties it over a 6-year-old girl`s face and drags the
girl out of the park.
But it doesn`t end there. The little girl`s father, friends and others chase down the pervert, tackle him and beat him bloody. Well, if
that`s vigilante justice, I`m all for it. But tonight, is Dad facing charges of aggravated assault?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say the father of a 6-year-old girl attacked and beat a level three sex offender after the pedophile allegedly
tried to kidnap the little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A group of about 20 children and adults surrounded Jackie Richard Brisbane (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He cuts that way. We all ran down the hill and we catch him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How was someone like this roaming around in our neighborhood?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live to Dallas. How many times does your whole family go to McDonald`s. You want a shake, you want fries, your children
want the Happy Meals with the little toys. Tonight, reports a boy molested in the McDonald`s bathroom.
And this isn`t the first time a child, a youngster -- there`s the alleged perp right there -- has been molested in a boy`s bathroom. I will
never forget the case of 9-year-old Matthew Checky (ph). He`s at a family reunion with all of his family, extended family there, there by the ocean
in California. His aunt takes Matthew Checky to the public bathroom. He wants to go in the men`s bathroom. She lets him go in. She`s standing at
the door. He never comes out. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill him in that restroom?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A calmly stated admission that he killed Matthew Checky and a calmly stated reason, God told him to do it. He said he chose
9-year-old Matthew because he was pure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you offer a sacrifice, it`s supposed to be a lamb that`s pure, without blemish.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wilson says after he killed Matthew that night in an oceanside bathroom, he felt a surge of energy and power, which he
interpreted as a gift from God for having done the right thing. He ran in order to be able to continue his mission to kill again.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And that`s not all. All you have to do is Google "child assaulted in bathroom." There are pages and pages and pages.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A sex offender locked himself inside a Wendy`s restaurant bathroom with a 10-year-old boy, stabbing the boy multiple times
as the child fought back. A 9-year-old girl was allegedly beaten and nearly killed in the women`s bathroom at a Florida Best Buy. Police say a
Walmart worker lured a 5-year-old boy into a store bathroom, allegedly sexually abusing the boy.
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GRACE: Straight out to Carol Toler, reporter with "Lake Highlands Advocate." Carol, where is this McDonald`s?
CAROL TOLER, "LAKE HIGHLANDS ADVOCATE" (via telephone): It`s near LBJ (ph) on Abrams (ph) Road, which is very near the local junior high. It was
the last day of school, so there were other teens in and around the area.
GRACE: Hold on just a moment. I want to get an understanding of where this was. With me is Carol Toler with "Lake Highlands Advocate."
Carol, you`re stating that this particular McDonald`s is near a public school. Is that what you just said?
TOLER: Correct, half a mile from the local junior high.
GRACE: OK. Unleash the lawyers. With me tonight, Michael Mazzariello and Patrick McDonough (ph), Michael joining me out of New York,
Patrick in Atlanta.
Let`s take a lock at the perv accused in this case. Michael, I know about you. I`m not sure about you. There`s the guy who`s charged with
attacking a boy in a public bathroom at McDonald`s. And everybody knows McDonald`s has really shot to the top because it lures children. They love
Happy Meals. They love the taste of the French fries. They love the Happy Meal toys. They love everything about McDonald`s, even the creepy new
Ronald McDonald. It`s a haven for children.
And this isn`t the first time children have been attacked in bathrooms, but we`re lulled into thinking it`s a safe place. OK. Michael
Mazzariello, what can you tell me, what`s your defense on this guy who assaults a boy in the McDonald`s bathroom?
MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I need to have the path report on that. I think that I want to see the video of when he
came in, when he exited. And then I want to have a mental examination done to see if he actually understands what he`s doing. And of course, he...
GRACE: OK, he grabbed the little boy`s genitals. I`m pretty sure he knew what he was doing. I don`t think that that requires a lot of
analysis. I don`t know what you think the video is going to show you, even possibly making it more damning of a case. But you`re right, you need to
know the forensic...
MAZZARIELLO: Well, the police report...
GRACE: ... evidence. OK, McDonough, I know that Mazzariello has two little boys. But what about you? Do you worry sending your kid into the
bathroom in McDonald`s? Or not just McDonald`s. Hold on, Patrick.
Clark Goldband, wasn`t there just recently a case where a child was assaulted in a Wendy`s bathroom?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy. And disturbing allegations out of that claim. Here`s what we know. According to
authorities, this little young child about 8 years old, was allegedly...
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Wait! Who`s that? Adam Lee Brown. That`s scary. Who`s that, Clark?
GOLDBAND: Well, Nancy, he`s the suspect that locked this 10-year-old boy inside a Wendy`s bathroom stall, allegedly, and attacked him. He
locked the child in the stall, according to reports. Now, Nancy...
GRACE: Wait a minute! Wait a minute! You just say "him." I want to see Adam Brown again, please, that I was just asking for -- Adam Brown, 49,
was a sex offender already.
GOLDBAND: Yes.
GRACE: Already!
GOLDBAND: Yes, Nancy. And here`s why. He was on parole for allegedly trying to infect people with the HIV virus.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait! You`ve got Ronald McDonald`s at McDonald`s. You`ve got the picture of Wendy with the
Pippi Longstocking...
GOLDBAND: Yes.
GRACE: ... pigtails. All right, and so at this Wendy`s -- I think it was in Portland -- you`ve got an HIV-positive sex offender attacking
children?
GOLDBAND: Yes.
GRACE: All right, what can you tell me about Brandon Wilson?
GOLDBAND: Well, Nancy, you talked about the Checky case a few moments ago. That is that case. And what`s most disturbing here, Nancy, this
young child was brought to a public restroom at a campground where he was with his family by an aunt. Inside that restroom, the child is stabbed to
death, Nancy! You saw him on the screen saying he believed he chose this boy...
GRACE: But Clark -- Clark...
GOLDBAND: ... because he was pure.
GRACE: And I mean, I mean, when I go anywhere, I insist my son come with me into the ladies bathroom...
GOLDBAND: Yes.
GRACE: ... because of Matthew Checky because the aunt took Matthew, I think was age 9, to the bathroom, by the ocean. It was a beautiful picnic
ground. She waited. How was she supposed to know Brandon Wilson was in there? He slit the child`s throat from ear to ear. It was all over in
about two minutes. OK, what about...
GOLDBAND: She`s as close as you can get, Nancy, to being inside the restroom.
GRACE: Yes, right outside the door.
GOLDBAND: Yes. Sure.
GRACE: The only thing she didn`t do was go in the stall with him.
GOLDBAND: That`s right.
GRACE: What about Christopher Guard (ph)?
GOLDBAND: Well, Nancy, this was a...
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord!
GOLDBAND: You see him on the screen...
GRACE: I mean, if I saw this guy in the bathroom, I`d run the other way. But children don`t know to run.
GOLDBAND: Yes, Nancy, this was at a Jacksonville, Florida, Best Buy. This man allegedly nearly beat a 9-year-old girl in the restroom within an
inch of her life. Charges...
GRACE: Wasn`t it a Circle K gas station? I think she was 8 years old.
GOLDBAND: Oh, I`m sorry, Nancy. You know what? I have these cases twisted around. It was a Circle K gas station, Nancy. And this girl,
she`s 8. She allegedly survived, but only because of her quick-thinking family. The next case I`m telling you about, Nancy, that happened in a
Best Buy in Jacksonville, Florida. That girl not 8, but 9 years old.
GRACE: Who was the perp? Who was the perp?
GOLDBAND: The perp in that case...
GRACE: Matthew Bulmer?
GOLDBAND: Yes.
GRACE: Oh, James Tadros, right.
GOLDBAND: James -- yes, James Tadros. You see him there on your screen. This perp just attacking a 9-year-old girl in a Best Buy. And
Nancy, finally, you mentioned Matthew Baumer (ph). He`s a 22-year-old Walmart employee. He allegedly attacks a boy inside the store bathroom in
a Walmart.
So Nancy, here`s the deal, though. There are tons of these chain stores all over the place. We`re not blaming any of these chain stores.
But folks, it`s law of averages. Just be smart with your children when you`re taking them to the bathroom.
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GRACE: And now live to Seattle. Before you go under, the last thing you want to see is your doctor sexting on his iPhone, but that`s exactly
what happened with a well-respected Seattle anesthesiologist.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Seattle physician has lost his license to practice medicine because he was allegedly sexting during surgical
procedures.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three different times, the department charged that Zilberstein sent selfies of his genitals to Patient Z.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Zilberstein was fast and loose with prescription medications.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Should this anesthesiologist ever be allowed to practice again?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: He lost his license? That`s it? Oh, man! So just as you go under, you look up and you see your doctor sexting, and all that that
implies, on his iPhone. Hold on just a moment, Bonnie (ph) and Joanne (ph).
To Carleen Johnson, KOMO. Carleen, what happened?
CARLEEN JOHNSON, NEWSRADIO KOMO (via telephone): Oh, my goodness! So yes, sounds like this doctor, 47-year-old Arthur Zilberstein, who was
relieved of his position as an anesthesiologist at a Seattle hospital last week, was perhaps a bit too preoccupied with sex to the point he couldn`t
help himself, even during surgery.
GRACE: That`s just what you want to hear as you`re laying there with your naked body covered with a sheet and your doctor`s hovering over you,
sexting. Did he send pictures of himself, too?
JOHNSON: He took pictures of himself. Unfortunately, there`s one incident detailed in our Department of Health investigative report that
says he pulled down his scrubs, took a picture of his genitals, and sent those to his girlfriend, who apparently was a patient, Nancy.
GRACE: OK. I`m very tempted to go to the defense attorneys. But let me advise you, take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Paul Beckton (ph) was allegedly taking pictures of women. A patient claims she saw Beckton use his cell phone
during her exam to take pictures of her private area and buttocks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His family says it`s because the cardiologist actually went out to a luncheon during the surgery, leaving the patient on
the operating table with his chest cavity still open.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While 36-year-old Veronica Valdez (ph) was undergoing a minor surgery, her anesthesiologist put stickers of teardrops
and a mustache on her face as a joke. He asked the nurse`s aide to snap this photo.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Arthur Zilberstein texted sexually explicit messages from the operating room on several occasions and even sent out
selfies displaying his genitals.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, you know what? I really don`t even know what to say to that. Out to the lines. Bonnie in Louisiana. Hi, Bonnie. What`s your
question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. My question is, why would he be allowed to have a phone in surgery? Why would any doctor be allowed to
have phones in surgery?
GRACE: To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining me out of Philadelphia. Hate to put you on the spot, Dr. Manion, but why should an
anesthesiologist or surgeon have their cell phone with them during surgery?
DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): Well, it used to be years ago, we would be on our pager. And then if anybody wanted us
right away, they would page us.
GRACE: Well, wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa!
MANION: But nowadays, they use the cell phone.
GRACE: Dr. Manion, when you`ve got somebody sliced open on the table in front of you, why do you need to say, yes, honey, I`ll be home around
5:30. Let`s good with the tacos. Why do you need that?
MANION: Well, you may need your cell phone for an emergency call, if you`ve taken care...
GRACE: Well, wouldn`t that be an emergency?
MANION: ... of a patient before and they crash or something. So I could see that. But like I say, we used to have pagers.
GRACE: Well, isn`t it an emergency to have somebody cut open...
MANION: And we would wear them all the time.
GRACE: ... in front of you? I mean, that`s...
MANION: But now we wear cell phones all the time.
GRACE: ... the emergency. OK. There you go, Bonnie in LA. Bottom line is there`s no reason that they should have a cell phone in there with
them during emergency, during surgery, because the emergency is they`ve got a body sliced open in front of them. That`s the emergency. They can deal
with the next emergency when they get out.
But Alexis Weed, sexting? It`s not like Manion is saying you might get a serious call from one of your patients. This is sexting. The last
thing his patient see before the go under anesthesia is a shot of his genitals on his iPhone?
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: And Nancy, we`re not talking about just one or two instances of these sexting. We`re talking about 241 sext
messages exchanged between the doctor and whomever they were going to. And this is just during six days of him being on duty.
GRACE: Oh!
WEED: So I can only imagine how many more instances there may be.
GRACE: Everyone, breaking news right now. The suspect is dead after gunning down one student with a semi-automatic weapon. This is at Oregon
high school, the shooting on the last week of classes at Reynolds High, that you`re seeing right here near Portland. Reports a student shot inside
a gymnasium. A teacher also injured in the shooting. Bottom line, we know and confirm at this hour the suspect is dead.
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GRACE: Board-certified anesthesiologist, Dr. Arthur K. Zilberstein, age 47. There he is. Take look at this picture. Thank goodness it`s a
head shot because apparently, that`s not what he`s texting during surgery.
We`re taking your calls. Jo Ann, Illinois. What about this, sexting photos of his genitals during surgery!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! If this guys is partaking in this inappropriate behavior, what`s to keep him from taking and sharing
inappropriate pictures of an unconscious patient?
GRACE: Jo Ann, that`s what I`m screaming. You`re laying there naked during surgery. I mean, if he wants to send pictures of genitalia and
naked bodies, what`s stopping him from showing yours? I mean, to me, this is the tip of the iceberg.
Carleen Johnson, KOMO, joining us. Is there any indication that patients were ever the subject of his sexting?
JOHNSON: Well, we know very well that he made disparaging remarks, racist remarks, to at least one patient unnamed in the Department of Health
report. And then Nancy, the woman he was involved with, who was a patient, she apparently was not only exchanging the messages with him, but she was
coming into the office and having sex with him there.
GRACE: I really did not need to know that, Carleen Johnson. But that on top of the sexting -- what I don`t understand, Carleen, is now the only
thing that`s happening is they`re yanking his license. Is that permanent? Will he ever be able to go into the operating room again? And what about
possible criminal sanctions?
JOHNSON: Well, what`s next at this point is he`s going to have a cause hearing. And then he gets an opportunity to respond to the charges.
That`ll probably happen within the next couple of weeks. And I talked it a gal at the Department of Health about an hour ago, and she said, Well, the
range of options, anywhere from a reprimand to permanent loss of license. Now, that would only be in the state of Washington. Somebody could hire
him somewhere else.
GRACE: To Cooper Lawrence, Dr. Cooper Lawrence, psychologist, radio personality. Dr. Cooper, question. Do doctors, medical doctors, just feel
that they`re God, that they can do and get away with anything?
COOPER LAWRENCE, PSYCHOLOGIST, RADIO PERSONALITY: A lot of them do. You know, there`s actually research that shows people who are more
narcissistic tend to lean towards certain careers, and not just doctors, but anesthesiology is up on the top of the list because anesthesiologists
have the highest rate of insurance, highest rate of suicides. It`s a really high-pressure job. And people do feel they literally have your life
in their hands.
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GRACE: Now live to Vegas, two police at Cici`s Pizza Buffet gunned down in cold blood. Then the shooters, a young married couple, take their
killing spree to Walmart, where a citizen tries to stop them only to be gunned down himself. The married anti-government fanatics then hunker down
in the back of Walmart, prepared for battle with police snipers.
In the last hours, we uncover the lurid past of the shooters, Jerad and Amanda Miller, hate-filled anti-U.S. anarchists who dressed as
Slenderman and the Joker in their spare time.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bunch of zombies out there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Witnesses hear the Millers declare a revolution and begin shooting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Total and utter tyranny.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first two victims, police officers killed at point-blank range. They dart across the street to this Walmart, where they
encounter 31-year-old Joseph Wilcox at the entrance and shoot him dead. Before police can get to them, Amanda Miller shoots Jared and then kills
herself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m so glad I found you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: So in his spare tile, this guy, Jerad Miller, dresses up as the Joker and Slenderman. Now, Slenderman, the sci-fi fantasy character,
came to the forefront just recently when two 12-year-old girls want to please Slenderman, and they try and murder their 12-year-old little friend.
There`s been another connection to Slenderman out in the Midwest, where 12- or 13-year-old girl attacks her mother to please Slenderman. You see video
from Youtube. This guy, dressing up as the Joker and Slenderman in his spare time. To John Shafer, program director, KDWN, what do we really know
about Jared and Amanda Miller?
SHAFFER: Nancy, not only did they dress up in their spare time, but Jerad dressed up and tried to make money doing it here at the Freemont
Street Experience. He would go out as these characters and try to get tourists to give him money it take pictures with him.
GRACE: Okay, I`m just trying to take that in. That`s the first time hearing it. And he gets a young wife, they are both relatively young. And
she joins in with him. Also, I don`t even know what that is. It is him dressed as the Joker and her dressed as something. I don`t know what that
is. But they apparently had become anti-U.S. anarchists. And they believe that police are the oppressors. And let me point out John Shaffer, and you
probably know more details than me on this, the police officer were at a pizza buffet minding their own business, in uniform. These two call the
police officers the oppressors. They go in to Cici`s (ph) pizza. They target the two police officers. Both of these officers are married with
children. There are three, actually. There`s all of the victims. The other`s from Wal-Mart. The two police officers I know are married with
children. Gun them down. Then what do they leave on the police officers` bodies, John?
SHAFFER: Well, after they shot the one officer in the head, Jerad shot one officer in the head. The other officer went for his weapon, Jared
shot him in the throat, then Amanda put out her gun and shot the other officer several times. They pulled their bodies onto the floor and put one
of those, Gadston (ph) flags, don`t tread on me flags, over their bodies. Put a swastika on them. They also left a note on the officers saying the
revolution has begun, which is what other people in the restaurant also said Jared was shouting as he and Amanda left the restaurant.
GRACE: John, I want to know what whipped them into this frenzy. But the why doesn`t matter. What matters is what happened, and could anybody
be saved? How could it be avoided in the future? But this anti-U.S. hatred. This hatred of the government. Apparently was behind this whole
thing. Why John Shaffer, did they then leave the pizza buffet and head to Wal-Mart? How did that happen?
SHAFFER: That is the part that we still aren`t sure of. Why, after killing the police officers, which is apparently what they set out to do
when they left their home earlier Sunday morning, they went over to Wal- Mart. They apparently weren`t going over there to just start slaughtering people because Jared fired a shot in the air and told everyone to get out.
That`s when Joseph Wilcox, the civilian who had a concealed carry permit, pulled out his gun and decided he was going to try to intervene. That`s
the reason they shot and killed him. They went over there, took things off the shelves, barricaded themselves in the back of the Wal-Mart. They were
there--
GRACE: Hold on. I want to get back to the citizen. The citizen is Joseph Wilcox, just 31 years old, trying to protect others. This is what I
understand happened with him, John. With me is John Shaffer, KDWN. As their past, what we`re learning is unfolding at this hour. He sees Jerad
Miller. And he tries to stop Jerad Miller, and what he didn`t know, what Wilcox didn`t know is that Miller had his wife with him, who was in on it.
She, Amanda Miller, then takes her gun to Wilcox and guns him down. The wife has blood on her hands, too. I`m talking about Amanda, Jerad --
excuse me, Amanda Miller, just 22 years old. Listen to what we have uncovered about Amanda and Jerad Miller.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My fellow Americans, I`m the Joker, and I`m running for president because year after year I`ve watched you Americans,
my fellow citizens, vote for tyranny. And it is always the lesser of the two evils. You don`t want too much tyranny too fast. Just the lesser of
two evils every year. But we have a chance to make history, ladies and gentlemen. You can vote for the more evil.
And I`ll tell you what, I give you my word on this. And I`m a man of my word, as you know. And I give you my word, utter transparency. When
you vote for the Joker, you will know, you will know exactly what you get. Total and utter tyranny.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video is from Youtube. USA true patriot. Unleash the lawyers. Michael Mazzariello and Patrick McDonough. I will show you more
of what Jared Miller had to say. But at this hour, many people are wondering why, neighbors, friend, relatives, who knew of these crazy rants,
of threats on the government, of threats in general, didn`t come forward. So first of all, to you. Michael Mazzariello, is there any criminal
liability on people that knew of his rants and threats but did nothing? Never reported it?
MAZZARIELLO: I have to say, absolutely not. It goes back to the old Kitty Genovese story here in New York City, where they heard the woman
being raped. No one called. No one helped. And that`s it. As long as they don`t act, they`re not in trouble, Nancy Grace.
GRACE: Patrick McDonough, sadly, I think he`s right. In our jurisprudence, there is no duty to be a good Samaritan. You can ride on by
and not do a thing. You don`t have to report danger. But morally speaking, how could you stand by and listen to this guy and not report him,
because you`ve got the blood of these people on your hands. You could have stopped this thing.
MCDONOUGH: Yes. I don`t think there is any question. The neighbors can`t be a party to the crime or they didn`t encourage this. But it does
appear that one of the neighbors saw him leaving with a truck full or bag full of guns. Certainly morally they have a responsibility to report this
type of thing to try to stop it in the future. The real problem is there are so many different crackpots out there, hard to know if someone is
walking the walk --
GRACE: You know, if there is a doubt, Patrick McDonough, err on the side of safety and caution and report them. Okay, take a look at what we
have uncovered regarding the shooter, Jerad Miller.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On a madman scale, I will take this in the AA that Obama wrote up, incarcerating innocent Americans and holding them
indefinitely without trial. It`s just so evil. I figure I got to get on some of that. I got to have me some of that. He`s also voted for this
U.N. gun treaty, that will take away all your guns. Like what better way to terrorize people than when they don`t have weapons? I mean, seriously,
think about it. The Batman with none of his little gadgets, what would he be? I could put him in jail, lock him away just like he does to me all the
time. But you know what, when you`re the president, the Batman can`t do [ bleep ].
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You are seeing video from Youtube. USA true patriot. With me, special guest, Leslie Waye, a friend of Jared and Amanda Miller.
Leslie, thank you so much for being with us. I`m overwhelmed. Did friends and neighbors have any clue that Jerad was this full of hate?
LESLIE WAYE: No. We had no idea at all, most of us. Like I didn`t even know that video existed until all this stuff happened.
GRACE: You know, everyone, you`re seeing video of Jerad Miller now accused in a fatal attack, along with his wife, his young wife, Amanda, on
two police officers and a random citizen in a Wal-Mart. Can you imagine being in Wal-Mart and hearing gunshots ringing out? With me is a friend of
them, both Leslie Waye is with us. I have a feeling that Jerad had a huge influence on Amanda.
Is that true?
WAYE: That`s how we all feel, yes. Especially me.
GRACE: What do you mean by that?
WAYE: Huh?
GRACE: What do you mean by that?
WAYE: She was just so in. She followed Jerad`s every word on everything. She used to be so quiet and sweet. She didn`t really voice
herself on politics as much as he did. But we all feel like he played a big role in her life due to the fact that she loved him so much, she would
have done anything to please him.
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GRACE: Imagine being at a pizza buffet for lunch for at at Wal-Mart shopping with your family when you hear shots ring out, and you turn around
and see somebody like this -- roll it, Liz.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s going to be tough, you know. Tough on both of us. But time will go by fast. And every night we`re just going to
imagine that you`re laying there next to me. And that I`m holding you. And I`ll have dreams about you. And then I`ll wake up pissed off because I
know I`m in jail. But it`s really for the best.
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GRACE: That video from Youtube, you turn around in Wal-Mart and see this guy, armed. Armed. And shooting. Gunning down police officers. His
wife, gunning down innocent citizens in a Wal-Mart. These two. With me right now, a friend of Jerad and Amanda Miller, Leslie Waye is joining us.
Leslie, you believe that Amanda Miller basically fell under his spell that she went along with him on every -- and I`ve been told that she`s
dressed up as the Joker`s girlfriend. OK. That`s good to know. What do you mean she would go along with anything to make him happy? Like what?
WAYE: I mean, just anything he wanted. If he didn`t want her to go anywhere, she wouldn`t go anywhere. If he wanted her opinion, you know,
she would give her opinion. Just simple things like that.
GRACE: Is it true that people are now calling you, writing you threatening messages, just because you knew them?
WAYE: Yes. I am being accused of also being a monster because I associated with them. They were my friends.
GRACE: But you knew nothing of their hatred of the U.S., much less they were stockpiling weapons and planned to gun down police officers. He
was screaming something about, this is the revolution. Did you have any idea that they were tight with other U.S. anarchists?
WAYE: No. Not at all.
GRACE: Did they ever exhibit unusual behavior, especially on Jerad`s part?
WAYE: I mean, he was just paranoid. But her, nothing. No signs, nothing.
GRACE: When you say he was paranoid, what do you mean by that? I`m really interested. Paranoid about what?
WAYE: People following him. Or being after him.
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GRACE: And now to Seattle. Two-time convicted child sex offender takes off his shirt, ties it over a 6-year-old little girl`s face and drags
her out of the park. But it doesn`t end there. The little girl`s father, friends and others chase down the pervert, tackle him and beat him bloody.
If that is vigilante justice, then I am all for it. Tonight, is dad facing charges of aggravated assault?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Level-three sex offender was beaten after police say he tried to kidnap a 6-year-old girl in a neighborhood park.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it hadn`t been for the efforts of her entire neighborhood, a group of kids saw a 6-year-old led away by a man they
identify as this level-three sex offender.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports say Brisbane (ph) took off his shirt, tied it over the girl`s face, told her he was going to take the poison out of
her and dragged her out of the park.
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GRACE: Straight out to Noam Laden with WABC. Noam, thanks for being with us. What happened?
LADEN: This 30-year-old, convicted sex offender, level-three sex offender. He lives walking distance to this downtown Seattle park. He
walks into the park, identifies his prey, this 6-year-old girl, starts to talk her up. Tries to convince her to leave the park. When she says no,
he then takes off his own shirt, covers her head and then drags her, kicking and screaming out of the park for three entire blocks. But
thankfully, a group of people in the park chase after this sicko, this creep, tackle him to the ground, beat him silly, and the girl is able to
get away and she is not harmed, except of course for the traumatic experience of being dragged away by this sicko.
GRACE: To Mark Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation, somehow once again the father protecting his 6-year-old little girl is
turned into the bad guy here. He led a group of people chasing down the guy and beat him bloody. What would have happened to that little girl if
the father had not beaten him?
KLAAS: The little girl probably would not be around any longer, Nancy. This guy is a very dangerous criminal, he is a level three sex
offender, which means he is among the 10 percent of the worst sex offenders that have been convicted in the United States. And I don`t think it`s -- I
don`t think any of this is a coincidence. I think that this story illustrates America`s evolving attitude toward sex crimes against children.
Because everybody did the right thing. They were able to track this guy down, and when the authorities arrived, in fact, it was a three men beating
this guy. They said that he attacked them first. Who are you going to believe? The father of a kidnapped child or a level-three sex offender?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Couldn`t hold tight enough to the daughter she says she would have lost had it not been for the efforts of the entire
neighborhood. 6-year-old led away from Benefit Park by a man they identify as this level-three sex offender. The little girl wasn`t scared because
she had seen the man around the area before, but other kids knew better.
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GRACE: That`s just how it happens. He familiarizes himself with the children. They feel they know him. What happened is he took his shirt
off, wrapped it around a 6-year-old girl`s head and dragged her away from the park. Then her father and others chase him down and beat him bloody.
Mark Klaas, you just said that this guy is a level-three sex offender, one of the most dangerous sex offenders there are. Why do you say that?
KLAAS: Because they characterize it in most of the states, Nancy, they go from low-level offenders, those would be people that are caught in
Romeo/Juliette scenarios, in other words a 19-year-old, one partner is 19 years old, the other is underage, 16 or 17 years old. Those are the low-
level offenders. Then the offenders in the middle are a great mix, familial offenders and people that don`t perhaps go all the way. Then
you`ve got the worst. You`ve got the individuals who have been convicted multiple times of aggravated sex crimes against children, kidnapping, et
cetera, et cetera. I guess the question is, No. 1, why are these individuals allowed back on the street when we know full well that they are
going to strike again?
GRACE: You know what`s interesting? At one point, Brisbain, the perp here, tries to flag down a car. Did you notice, Mark Klaas, that his
street name, his aka, his moniker is infamous, Jesse Infamous Brisbane, age 30, a level-three sex offender? Everybody, for those of you just joining
us, this guy, hanging around a park, goes and puts his shirt over a 6-year- old girl`s head, drags her away, when he is attacked by the girl`s father. Unleash the lawyers. Michael Mazzariello. Patrick McDonough. What about
it?
MAZZARIELLO: That`s absurd, Nancy. The only people that should be prosecuted here is the criminal justice system that let this guy out.
That`s who should be --
GRACE: Agree. All right. McDonough, are you going to defend this guy?
MCDONOUGH: There`s no question they`re not going to arrest this father for doing this. Even if they did arrest him, there is no grand jury
that will indict him. If they will go to trial, he will be found not guilty. So I think the father is in the clear.
GRACE: We can only pray that the justice system works this time.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Sergeant Kyle Stout, 25, Wake Village, Texas. Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal,
National Defense Service Medal. Loved the outdoors, fishing and hunting. Parents Mike and Robin, brother, Michael, sister, Melissa. Kyle Stout,
American hero.
And tonight, special happy birthday to my sister-in-law, Jan, who put herself through school, even got a masters degree while she raised two
little boys. Now grown boys who graduated from college, Sam and Dan. She spent a lifetime in education and has touched the lives of more people than
she will ever know. Happy birthday.
Everybody, thank you for being with us tonight. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night,
friend.
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