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Michael Brown Autopsy Released
Aired August 18, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. After nights of extreme violence, the city of Ferguson, Missouri, ripped apart, tear gas, Molotov
cocktails after an unarmed teen shot dead in the street, the teen shot dead by police as reports say the teen walks to his grandmother`s, witnesses
insisting to us the teen`s hands up in the air when he`s shot repeatedly by the officer. As we go to air tonight, we get our hands on portions of the
teen`s autopsy.
Bombshell tonight. Explosive video and audio emerging from the moment the unarmed teen gunned down. But which side does the audio prove, the
teen`s or the cop`s?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At least six, at least six shots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Brown was bending over as they were coming down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, to the heartland. A 27-year-old mother of two, ages 2 and 6, vanishes from the VFW parking lot, last seen in a silver
Nissan Xterra. Tonight, the clock ticking down in the desperate search. Where is mom of two Christy Kelly (ph)?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you seen this woman? Police need your help in tracking down 27-year-old mom of two Christy Kelly, very reliable
pharmacy tech at CVS pharmacy doesn`t show up for work and never heard from again.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. After nights of extreme violence, Ferguson, Missouri, ripped apart, tear gas, Molotov cocktails, all of this and more
after an unarmed teen shot dead in the street, the teen shot by police as reports say the teen walks to his grandmother`s, witnesses insisting to us
the teen`s hands up in the air when he`s repeatedly shot by the officer.
As we go to air, we get our hands on a portion of the autopsy report, this as explosive video and audio emerges from the moment the unarmed teen
gunned down. But which side does it prove, the teen`s or the cop`s?
We`re going to go straight to that video, but first to CNN correspondent Jean Casarez. What can you tell me about this video?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Nancy, I first have to tell you this video right here is moment by moment with CNN last night, as
this was happening in the midst of it.
At the same time, the private autopsy had just been completed by Dr. Michael Baden. And it was asked for by the mother of Michael Brown for
three reasons, Nancy. Number one, she wanted to know how many shots had hit her son. She wanted to know, number two, if he suffered at all with
those shots. And number three, she wanted to know what it would take for an arrest in this case.
GRACE: You know, as it`s developing, Jean, we`re getting more and more video and audio from the scene. What do you make of this newly
released video and audio?
CASAREZ: Well, if you`re talking about the audio that has to do with the side of the police officer, we`re hearing more of the other side. And
that is aspects that the aggressor, in fact, was the young man, the 18- year-old, and not the officer.
GRACE: You know, Jean, another thing. We`re getting information about the autopsy report that the bullets fired all hit the teen from the
front. Now, that means the teen was going toward the police officer or at least standing with his face toward the police officer. Does that
contradict the earlier reports?
CASAREZ: Yes, it does. It complicates the case because witnesses that have come on the air and talked about what they specifically saw with
their own eyes said that he was walking away, and the shots began, and his body began to jump, and then he turned around and put his hands up. But if
you look at these injuries, these shots -- and I`ve really been studying them -- could he have had his hands up when those shots came? And I think
that`s a question of fact.
GRACE: And what do you mean? We`ve been looking at what we know of the autopsy report tonight -- four times in the right arm. Look where the
bullet entry point is. Look! Were his hands up in the air?
CASAREZ: Well, think about if they were up and extended out. Picture that. I mean, that`s the picture that they drew. But picture those arms
up and up, palms up. Could he have been...
GRACE: Hold on, Jean. Go back. Go back to the last shot we were showing the viewers. Everybody, in the last hours, not only have we gotten
explosive video and audio, but we`ve gotten information about the autopsy report. The picture of the red spots on the diagram -- leave it right
there for just one moment.
Jean, repeat.
CASAREZ: Some -- if you picture his arms up with palms extended, as in a surrender position, the question of fact is, could those shots have
gone into him? Some say yes, some say no. What Dr. Baden said was that some of those shots may actually be exit and reentry shots to Michael
Brown, Nancy.
GRACE: Exit and reentry. See, that doesn`t even make sense to me, that they could possibly be exit and reentry. It does make sense that the
arms could be up in the air.
But Jean, you were saying that this new video and audio that we`re about to play, along with the autopsy information that we`ve got,
contradicts the original eyewitness accounts. Explain.
CASAREZ: That`s right, because they said that he -- that he didn`t do anything at all, and then he immediately walked away from the officer,
tried to get away, and the shots started to ring out, his body riddled, and he turned around and he was surrendering as the shots continued to come.
GRACE: OK, let`s take a listen to the audio and video we have just obtained. Roll it, Liz, please.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police was in the truck. He was, like, over the truck or whatnot, so then he ran. Police got out and ran after him.
And the next thing I know, he`s coming back towards (INAUDIBLE) The police had his gun drawn already.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, the police got (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) got to eat. I ain`t dead. I got to eat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police kept dumping at him. I`m thinking that the police missing him, like he`s, like...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God rest his soul because he`s gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... like, this far from him dumping at him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There goes his mama, I guess.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police -- police fired shots. Next thing I know, I think he`s missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police did this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where`s the ambulance! (INAUDIBLE) Why isn`t somebody helping him!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next thing I know, I think he`s missing (INAUDIBLE) started running, kept coming towards police.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) He`s gone. Oh, gee. He`s gone. He`s gone.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the police shot him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, the police did.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, Liz, you got to re-rack that for me again. I`ve got to see it and hear it line by line, word by word. Let`s play it again.
Please roll it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police was in the truck. He was, like, over the truck or whatnot, so then he ran. Police got out and ran after him.
And the next thing I know, he`s coming back towards (INAUDIBLE) The police had his gun drawn already.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, the police got (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) got to eat. I ain`t dead. I got to eat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police kept dumping at him. I`m thinking that the police missing him, like he`s, like...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God rest his soul because he`s gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... like, this far from him dumping at him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There goes his mama, I guess.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police -- police fired shots. Next thing I know, I think he`s missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police did this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where`s the ambulance! (INAUDIBLE) Why isn`t somebody helping him!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next thing I know, I think he`s missing (INAUDIBLE) started running, kept coming towards police.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) He`s gone. Oh, gee. He`s gone. He`s gone.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the police shot him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, the police did.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Joining me right now, the attorney for Michael Brown`s family, Daryl Parks, Daryl joining me out of St. Louis. Daryl, thank you so much
for being with us. What do you make of this new audio because it says he kept coming toward the police officer?
DARYL PARKS, BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: No, Nancy, I`ve had a chance to see probably what I think is the most compelling evidences that I pointed
out in the press conference today. There was a shot to the crown of Michael`s head. Michael was going down, surrendering to the officer. But
most importantly, the shots that I saw go from back forward on the top of his head. So clearly, he was in a down position, trying to surrender to
the officer, and the officer shot him anyway. That evidence is very conclusive.
GRACE: From the back forward -- OK, Jean Casarez, let`s go back over what we know of the autopsy report. Everyone, what we are getting in
tonight, so much information about the shooting of an unarmed teen, six shots, none of them at close range.
Jean Casarez, were all six shots from front to back?
CASAREZ: It is believed so. But Dr. Baden doesn`t have all of the information. He doesn`t have the X-rays. He doesn`t have clothes. He
doesn`t have the police car. He doesn`t have witness statements. So based on...
GRACE: Whoa! Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, wait! Jean Casarez, when you look at a gunshot wound on a body, you don`t need a witness to tell you
what`s the entry and the exit, OK? You can tell from the perforation on the body which way. It`s like when you hit glass. Where`s the -- which
side did the glass fall on? You know where the blow came from.
CASAREZ: Well...
GRACE: When you look at a bullet wound, you should be able to tell, did it enter here and come out here?
(CROSSTALK)
CASAREZ: Let me ask you this, Nancy. Why did Dr. Baden say that wound number two was just above the right eyebrow, but it could have come
out and exited back into the jawline and into the right shoulder? He`s not sure.
GRACE: OK. Repeat.
CASAREZ: As far as the second wound, which is just above the right eyebrow, Dr. Baden said that that bullet could have come out, exited back
into the jawline and into the right shoulder. He`s not sure.
GRACE: To Dr. Michelle Dupre, medical examiner, pathologist joining me out of Columbia. Dr. Dupre, thank you for being with us. At every have
ever been to and every medical examiner I have ever direct or cross-examed, they could tell which was entry and which was the entrance wound.
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy, in the majority of cases, we can certainly do that. There are very specific
things that we look at. And as I look at this diagram by Dr. Baden, it clearly says that they were all from the front to back, entry from the
front.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had to act.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want peaceful!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ample evidence for this officer...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is unacceptable!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to be arrested.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To protect lives...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not the law!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and property.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Everyone, tonight, the small town of Ferguson ripped apart as we get our mitts on part of the autopsy report of unarmed teen Michael
Brown, shot down by a local police officer. This case set to go to the grand jury regarding the police officer shooting the teen.
At this hour, we are getting in so much information, audio and video from the time that Brown was shot down. Now, we are also finding out that,
according to the autopsy report -- and Daryl Parks with us from Michael Brown`s family. Baden said -- well, the autopsy says all the shots were
from the front, Daryl.
D. PARKS: Let me explain to you a few things. Number one, you`re going to notice that there`s an injury to his hand. That particular injury
probably came at a close range, you`re going to find out later. Second, when we talk about front to back -- front to back mainly...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait! Let me...
D. PARKS: ... applies to two things...
GRACE: ... let me hear what you`re saying. You`re saying that the gunshot wound to his right hand is at close range, although the autopsy is
saying no shots at close range.
D. PARKS: Well, let me explain it like this. It`s a big gash.
GRACE: What?
D. PARKS: It`s a big gash, so as you hear more about it, it`s a big gash on his hand.
GRACE: So it`s not -- are you telling me it`s not a gunshot?
D. PARKS: Now, how that`s -- no, it is a gunshot wound caused by the gun, but a bullet, but it`s a rather large gash in his hand.
GRACE: Well, why do you say it`s at close range?
D. PARKS: Secondly -- well, it`s pretty big and it`s pretty open.
GRACE: That doesn`t mean close range.
D. PARKS: Now, how and when it happened, I`ll leave that to the experts.
GRACE: OK, well, that doesn`t...
D. PARKS: Well, it could -- you`re right, but...
GRACE: ... necessarily mean close range.
D. PARKS: But it`s a pretty nice size injury is just all I`m saying.
GRACE: OK. Got you. Now...
D. PARKS: That`s one. Number two, though, on the front to back issue -- on the front to back issue -- when I talk about the front to back issue,
I`m talking about the two bullets to the top of the head only.
And lastly, the other injury that could be front or back that`s in question that we tried to clarify at the press conference dealt with on the
arm, there`s an injury on the outer part of the arm, which could have been his arm down or his arm up, depending. So that`s what we were intending to
clear up on that one issue regarding on the arm. Other than that, everything else is from the front.
GRACE: OK. Now, let me see the autopsy visual again, please, quickly, because if his hands are up in the air, I could understand where
the interior shots to his right arm are coming from. But nowhere, Daryl -- nowhere are we getting information that there were any shots from back to
front, including the two shots to the head.
Now, one thing that is disturbing to me is the shot, as you said, to the crown or the top of the head. What I need to know about that is --
what I need to know about that is the trajectory path. If you give me the trajectory path, I can tell you what happened because if he`s shot from the
top going down -- what I need to know is that from going front from back, is it going front coming out somewhere else? Because I`m trying to figure
out, was this teen kneeling down with his hands up in the air? If not, how did he get a shot on the top of his head?
Some people are claiming he was charging the police officer. Do you charge an officer that has a gun when you don`t? That`s the one -- you`re
telling me it`s from back to front, Daryl. I don`t believe that, but I still am very troubled by the gunshot wound to the top of the head because
none of these scenarios is fitting with that forensic fact, which means we don`t know yet. We still don`t know what happened.
And I want to hear your interpretation, Daryl, as to how he got -- you know what? Just give me your interpretation, now that we have the six
gunshot wounds to the front. He is not running from the police officer, as we were originally told. So what scenario do you see, given these facts
that we know to be true?
D. PARKS: Well, let me tell you the facts. I think I probably have better knowledge than anyone here, especially as it relates to the two
bullets and what our experts told us. As it relates to the bullet to the top, the crown of the head, the bullet goes forward in his face. That`s
what he told us.
Secondly, there`s a little dot on the diagram that you have that`s right about his hairline. That bullet entered there, went -- came out of
his eye and possibly went to the top part of his shoulder, is what the doctor testified to. That same bullet may have went into the top part of
his chest and ended up in the clavicle. The clavicle was actually broken from the bullet in this situation.
GRACE: Wait! That doesn`t make sense to me!
D. PARKS: So that`s what we were...
GRACE: You`re saying it comes in...
D. PARKS: ... able to see.
GRACE: ... near the eye and comes out from the clavicle?
D. PARKS: Yes, Nancy, so he has his head down. It enters right above the hairline. It comes out by the eye. It exits by the jaw. And then a
bullet shows right here -- let me -- now, I want to explain something that`s really important. The reason this diagram is labeled the way it is,
right, that most -- these were interactions that bullets had with his body in some type of way.
So that`s why we use, you know, entrance, exits and possible (ph) other interactions with the body because until we actually see the pictures
and the X-rays from the first autopsy, only then can Dr. Baden put the two together to give his final autopsy findings. That`s why it`s labeled
preliminary autopsy findings in this situation.
GRACE: OK, everyone, you are seeing video of the moment when unarmed teen Michael Brown was shot down. This is what has troubled me from the
beginning, that in our country, a civilian can be shot down on the street and weeks pass and there`s still no explanation from police.
I`m not saying police are right. I`m not saying they`re wrong. What I`m saying is that -- you know, this is not Nazi Germany. You don`t shoot
somebody down in the street and then go, yes, I don`t have to explain that. Uh-uh, I`m the cops. It`s OK.
Now, let`s get to the heart of what we know about the facts. Take a listen to now emerging, the other side of the story.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said that, you know, they were walking in the middle of the street. He rolled up, rolled his window down, and you know,
said, Come on, guys, get out of the street. They refused to and were yelling back, We`re almost where we`re going. There was some cussing
involved.
And then he just kept rolling up and he pulled over. And I believe at that point he called for backup, but I`m not sure. But I know he pulled up
ahead of them, and he was watching them. And then he gets the call in that there was a strong-arm robbery and they give the description. And he`s
looking at them, and they`ve got something in their hand that looks like it could be what -- you know, the cigars or whatever.
So he goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And then he
opened his car again, you know, tried to get out. And as he stands up, Michael just bum-rushes him, just shoves him back into his car, punches him
in the face and then (INAUDIBLE) grabs for his gun. Michael grabs the gun.
At one point, he`s got the gun totally turned against his hip, and you know, shoves it away, and the gun goes off. Well, then, Michael takes off
with his friend. They get to about 35 feet away and you know, Darren -- of course, protocol is to pursue.
So he stands up and yells, Freeze. Michael and his friend turn around, and Michael was taunting him, Oh, what are you going to do about
it? You know, You`re not going to shoot me. And then he said, all of a sudden, he just started to bum-rush him. He just started coming at him
full (ph) feet. And so he just started shooting, and he just kept coming.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: You are hearing the voice of Josie (ph), alleged friend of the officer, the cop in this case, talking to "The Dana Show." A source with
detailed knowledge of the investigation says this account is accurate and matches what the officer told investigators.
Now, remember, Daryl Parks and the family of Michael Brown have a different story. So tonight, what does the autopsy prove?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Tonight, troubling accounts emerging about the night when unarmed Michael Brown shot down by a local police officer in Missouri,
small town Ferguson. Tonight, we are obtaining video and audio from the moment Brown shot down.
With me right now, Bernard Parks, former LAPD chief of police. Sir, thank you so much for being with us. In light of the latest autopsy
reports, what is the most troubling aspect to you, sir?
BERNARD PARKS, FORMER LAPD CHIEF OF POLICE: What troubles me most is that we have been given information that you can`t decipher, nor does it
fit into a larger perspective of what the investigation may uncover.
What you`ve determined with the autopsy report today is the same thing we knew the day of the incident. He was killed by gunfire. There is no
ability for the forensic people at this time to give us much more without a thorough investigation at the scene and also to put together all of the
witness statements and the X-rays.
We know that the autopsy has three parts. The one we have today is for the cause of death. The toxicology`s going to take weeks. And then
you need to combine that with the field investigation that tells you, eventually, what the trajectory that then can begin to decipher whether the
person was standing up, whether he fell down, and the speculation could then end. At this time, it`s just giving more fodder for speculation.
GRACE: Bernard Parks, you should know. Former LAPD chief of police. You`ve seen it all. With me Jamie Allman from KFTK. Jamie, from what I am
learning from the autopsy report, I`ve never heard of a medical examiner not being able to tell entry from exit wound. And I`m hearing from Daryl
Parks this could have been an entry point that ricocheted off a bone, and came back out a clavicle. Never heard of that before. Of course I`m just
a JD. I`m not an MD. But the accounts we are hearing are different from those at the get-go. What`s to be made of it there on the scene?
ALLMAN: Well, I`ll tell you what, Nancy. It was fascinating to hear the attorney for the family acknowledge even after today that there was a
wound to the hand, which would seem to indicate or at least corroborate the claims that somehow there was at one point, perhaps, a struggle over the
gun and it went off. Otherwise, how is that hand wound, which appears as the attorney pointed out, sizable, how does that hand wound happen? I
thought that was fascinating. The pathologist said that he can`t confirm how close any of the shots were, since he does not have access to the
clothing, and therefore cannot get any kind of residue samples whatsoever. But I do think it obviously is odd that he can`t determine what is an exit
or an entrance wound.
GRACE: Hold on, Daryl Parks, attorney for Michael Brown`s family. Did Michael Brown have on a short sleeve or a long sleeve?
PARKS: I think the pictures show a short sleeve.
GRACE: Then back to you, Jamie -- yes, I think it is short sleeve. You told me that on the very first night. Jamie, the clothes wouldn`t
matter because on the arm, he`s got on short sleeve. So you -- hold on, Jamie, right now we`re showing New York control room. I did not call for
this. It`s showing me video from the Quik Trip, and where this is going is an altercation with Michael Brown over stolen cigars. OK. Let`s just put
it out there right now. Frankly, I don`t care if he stole a cigar, if he did or he didn`t. And if you start showing me the looting video, you know
what? After I figure out what happened to Michael Brown, if the cop`s telling me the truth, then I`ll figure out who stole the toaster oven and
the microwave in the looting. But tonight, neither of those issues have anything to do with the forensics, except you`re showing me Michael Brown
having a confrontation with a cashier, all right? So he`s no angel. Okay. I accept that. Now, let`s move on to the forensics.
Daryl Parks, you`re saying it`s a short sleeve. So Jamie Allman, KFTK, I guess the shirt would help if there had been residue on the chest
area, but no witnesses saying this is close range. Are you referring to the gash to the hand? Are you saying that may have occurred during a
physical confrontation with the cop?
PARKS: Police officer (inaudible) maintains there was some kind of a struggle. If there was some kind of a struggle over the gun and it did go
off --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: A struggle over the gun? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Jamie, don`t move. Hold on. Daryl Parks, I have you here for a reason.
PARKS: Yes.
GRACE: And I want to hear your response to a report that there is a struggle, that Michael Brown was struggling with the cop over a gun,
because you fight with a cop over the gun and they will shoot you. Period. For all they know, you`re trying to get the gun to kill them or everybody
else around them. What is this about a struggle over a gun?
PARKS: Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction, strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don`t
deny that. I think as evidence comes out, you`ll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.
GRACE: But wait a minute. When we first started --
PARKS: What killed him were the kill shots.
GRACE: -- you told me that the cop grabbed him from inside the car, and was struggling with him that way.
PARKS: I didn`t tell you that. I told you there was an interaction. This would be the first time you talking to me about them at the car. So
that interaction didn`t happen at the car. More than a tussle, I would call it.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Tonight, disturbing details emerging as new video and audio surfaces from the night, the actual night Michael Brown, the unarmed teen
in Ferguson, Missouri, is gunned down in by a local police officer.
OK, so back very quickly to Daryl Parks. I want to talk to you, Daryl, who, as you all know, was on the Trayvon Martin case, is now
representing the family in this case. Daryl, I want to get back to the physical confrontation with the police officers. In your scenario, when
does that happen in relation to the other bullets fired?
PARKS: Nancy, from the evidence that we have so far, there was something that happened between Michael and the officer while the officer
was in the car, without question. I think that the evidence in this case, though, will have to look at what the injuries to the officer and the
injuries to Michael that may be attributed to whatever happened as Michael stood outside of the car. Remember now, the officer is in an SUV type of
law enforcement vehicle, and Michael is standing up. Also Michael is a rather tall child. So those things played a major role.
GRACE: You know, that is a subtle, but important distinction, Daryl. The fact that he`s in an SUV. That changes things for me, because the
story of him reaching out and grabbing the guy by the neck from a patrol car didn`t make sense. When I heard that he`s in an SUV, that makes much
more sense. And it`s more possible. I`m sorry. Go ahead.
PARKS: But also, for example, one of the other injuries you don`t pick up quite so much on anatomical, is just a cut mark on his arm as well.
The reason the first autopsy becomes kind of important, is once you take all of the evidence into perspective, that cut mark plus the other injuries
to Michael`s hand plus whatever injuries to the officer, then you can start explaining what may have happened in the car. For example, we don`t know,
when the gun went off inside the car, did it hit Michael or not, where it landed, where it ended up.
GRACE: Now, hold on. Hold on. That`s a new scenario. Jamie Allman, KFDK, are we believing now that one of the shots was fired from inside the
car, one or more fired from inside the car?
ALLMAN: I believe basing that, Nancy, from the witness who came forward on the radio who said -- or the friend of the officer who said
there was, indeed, a struggle and at least one shot was, in fact, fired inside the car, if not two. If one of those shots did, in fact, hit
Michael Brown, then that would explain the injury to the hand at that particular time. Again, (inaudible), Michael Brown`s family is saying,
okay, we could talk about the struggle. But let`s talk about what happened afterwards, and that`s where they believe the shooting wasn`t justified.
On the other hand, the officer`s friend is saying Michael came at them, and even the pathologist today pointed out that they can`t say one way or the
other whether that head wound, that crown wound came from either him kneeling or him charging the officer. Even the pathologists today were not
able to say definitely whether one thing happened or the other thing happened.
GRACE: Okay. Take a listen to this account.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So he really thinks he was on something. Because he kept coming. It was unbelievable. He finally ended up -- final
shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two, three feet in front of the officer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police got out and ran after him. Police got about and ran after him. And then next thing I know he`s coming back
towards the -- police had his gun drawn.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God rest his soul because he`s gone.
(CROSSTALK)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Everyone, tonight, violence erupting yet again in the small town of Ferguson, Missouri. This after we obtain a portion of the autopsy
report regarding the unarmed teen, Michael Brown, gunned down by a local police officer. Now reports emerging that all the shots were from the
front to the back and claims that Brown was going for the cop`s gun. What do we know? Out to the lines. Todd, Missouri. Hi, Todd. What`s your
question?
CALLER: It`s not so much a question. It`s just so much comments on like the whole thing.
GRACE: Okay.
CALLER: You know, kind of take it from the start and try to move quickly for you. It`s just all the hearsay that was going on, and even the
gentleman you had on there that I was listening to that was representing Michael`s family. There`s a lot of him saying I would assume or I would
guess, or I think, you know, the cut came from this or it was a close shotgun shot -- or close shot to the hand. And it`s been that stuff from
the start.
GRACE: Okay. Well, you know --
CALLER: Now things are starting to come together a little more.
GRACE: To Daryl Parks, you hear Todd speaking. We`re not in a court of law. There`s no such thing in this studio as hearsay. Because
everything we are hearing and knowing tonight is an eyewitness or an earwitness account. All of that is hearsay for us, because we weren`t
there on the scene.
Everyone, with me, is the lawyer for the unarmed teen`s, Michael Brown`s family, Daryl Parks is joining us tonight. You know, Daryl, I
thought when we got the -- at least some of the autopsy report, we would have the answers. I still don`t have the answers. And I`ve got the
bullets, front to back, six shots. What`s so troubling to me is the shot to the top of the head. I don`t understand that. But what I would like to
hear you, Daryl, address, are claims that Michael Brown was trying to get the gun from the officer and that he charged the officer.
PARKS: Nancy, you`re talking about two different things. The part about the gun involved when the officer was in the car and attempted to get
out of the car, first of all, and I admitted to you there was some type of altercation that happened as the officer was in the car and Michael was
outside the car.
Secondly, though, I think that Michael and the other young man ran away from the officer, and as he -- the officer was shooting at them, they
stopped and surrendered. Now, if they were running away and stopped to surrender, why are they not going to charge back while this guy has a gun,
still shooting at them? It doesn`t make logical sense.
But most importantly, though, it does not corroborate with what the witnesses have said. Only person saying that the officer was charged is
the officer, and he has his own reasons to say so.
GRACE: Well, I know this, Daryl Parks, I would not charge officer that had a gun. All right? Just right there. So I don`t know that I`m
buying into him charging the officer. Does that mean the officer is lying? No. Does that mean the witnesses you`ve talked to are lying? No. I`m
just saying that common sense, why would you charge the officer when he`s got the gun and you don`t? To Stacy Newman, also on the story, Stacy,
you`ve studied the autopsy, you`re hearing the reports. What more can you tell me?
NEWMAN: I can tell you, Nancy, the consultant who`s working with Dr. Michael Baden, he said there`s a medial shot in the right arm, which is
about here. And he explained that shot could have come from behind as one witness did say she saw Michael Brown`s body jerk forward. That could have
been that shot, or that shot could have been a defensive mark where he was trying to protect himself from the gunshots.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police was in the truck. He was like over in the truck or something.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police got out and ran after him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, the police?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police had the gun. I`m thinking that it`s the police.
(CROSSTALK)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: We need your help. A 27-year-old mother of two has vanished from the local VFW, Veterans of Foreign Wars. Frank Morano, radio talk
show on the Answer, what happened?
FRANK MORANO, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: This is a very disturbing story, Nancy. Christy Kelly, who apparently does not have any sort of a
reputation for shenanigans or hanging out with unsavory characters, was driving home late in her Nissan Xterra, 1:30 in the morning on Friday in
Booneville. And she was only about a half mile from home, and she`s disappeared. They noticed her car wasn`t there. They found her mobile
phone without her, and it`s pretty rare because based on what everybody who knows Christy says, she always has her phone with her. So now there`s a
massive search effort under way, and we hope and pray that we`re able to get--
GRACE: And right now, Frank Morano with the Answer, we`re showing her car and her tag plate. Her father Todd Scales is with us. Todd, thank you
for being with us, from Boonville, Indiana. Todd, she`s never gone missing before. She has never once not come home to her children. What do you
know? What do you know about her leaving her cell? Would she ever leave it behind? And has her ATM been used at all?
TODD SCALES, FATHER: No, ma`am. The ATM card has not been used. Her and her cell phone, they never really part ways. I`m surprised even if she
were to accidentally leave it at the VFW, she would have immediately went back in and retrieved it.
GRACE: Everyone, you are seeing a picture of Kristy Kelly. Look at her. Two children. She`s never been away from them. To Sheriff Brett
Kruse, with the Warrick County sheriff`s office, Sheriff, where are your people looking for Kristy? Everyone, see the tip line, 812-897-6180.
Sheriff, where are your people looking? What can you tell us tonight?
SHERIFF BRETT KRUSE, WARRICK COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well right now we have a couple hundred people on the ground in vehicles, on foot, on all-
terrain vehicles, searching the entire county, Boonville County. There`s several hundred square miles of strip mined ground, they`re searching the
county roads, the four-wheel drive trails, the coal mine roads, just looking for any sign of Kristy or her vehicle.
GRACE: For those of you that see our program tonight or hear our voices on Sirius XM, please, help us. Kristy Kelly, just 27, a mother of
two. Tip line, 812-897-6180. And very quickly, her father, Todd Scales, has her car been recovered?
SCALES: No, there`s been no sign of it.
GRACE: Everyone, we`re looking for a 2003 silver Nissan Xterra plate SZF858.
Everyone, let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Michael Gable, just 30, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, third tour, two Bronze
Stars, Purple Heart, a chef, loved French cuisine. Parents John and Katherine, brother David. Michael Gable, American hero.
Drew up next, everyone. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 Eastern sharp. Until then, good night, friend.
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