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Real-Life Hannibal Lecter Granted Bail
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Jeffersonville, Indiana, where a real-life Hannibal Lecter emerges. We`ve all seen the
horrifying story with Jody Foster and Anthony Hopkins as he portrays a modern-day cannibal.
Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, we learn a convicted killer repeatedly given low bond by a series of judges makes his way out of a
prison cell straight to his girlfriend`s home where he promptly murders her. Found at the murder scene, a plate filled with bones and blood.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Horrifying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Admitted to cutting out a portion of her brain, cooking it and then eating it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) her body.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Heart was removed, skull and part of her lungs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Houston. She makes her way through undergrad, then med school, then residency. Then this up and coming young female
oncologist falls in love with a co-worker, a doctor. But in the midst of their sex affair, she learns his long-time girlfriend miscarries.
Suddenly, her lover poisoned with a deadly dose of anti-freeze.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The black cups of coffee Dr. Gonzalez (ph) allegedly made at her home near Westview (ph) had a funky taste to it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) it can kill a person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say she laced two cups of his coffee with ethylene glycol.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And to prestigious UVA. A gorgeous coed vanishes. Tonight, grainy surveillance video emerges of her in her apartment hall. Where is
Hannah Graham (ph)?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say Hannah and a friend went to a party...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One text message said "I`m lost."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one has heard from her since.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As Charlottesville police release these images of Hannah Graham, taken just hours before she disappeared, the question
tonight, where is she?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Live to Jeffersonville, Indiana, where a real-life Hannibal Lecter emerges. We`ve all seen the horrifying movie with Jody
Foster and Anthony Hopkins as he portrays a modern-day cannibal. But in the last hours, we learn a convicted killer, repeatedly given low bond by a
series of judges, makes his way out of his prison cell, straight to his girlfriend`s home, where he promptly murders her. Found at the murder
scene, a plate filled with bones and blood.
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Will Clark, anchor at WHAS. Will, thank you for being with us. Before I get to the fact that he
clearly murders his girlfriend after he gets out of his prison cell, I want to take the story back as to how he got out.
This is a guy that was already convicted of killing one woman, who had just given birth. He kills her. He goes to jail. He gets low sentence.
He gets out on parole. And then -- that`s the first murder victim, that we know of. Then he gets out.
Then it`s my understanding he threatens to kill somebody else. There is a police chase. Then there`s a DUI. There`s one thing after the next
after the next. And now this woman is dead.
WILL CLARK, WHAS (via telephone): Yes, that`s exactly right. This all goes back to 2000, when he was convicted of manslaughter and attempted
murder and killed his then girlfriend, who was 17 years old, and critically wounded his mother. That was out in Utah. Released on parole in 2012, and
in 2013, back in trouble with the law, choking out a bar patron and resisting arrest, inexplicably naked during that event.
Two months ago, police catch up with him again. Joseph Oberhansley was arrested following a low-speed police chase, posted $1,000 bond to
secure his release out of that. Tammy Jo Blanton, his fiancee at the time, who was the victim in this latest incident, came forward (INAUDIBLE) that
his fiancee paid that bond in a July court hearing. The Clark County, Indiana, prosecutor, the county where Jeffersonville is, had attempted to
raise that bond, did not get it raised and...
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa, whoa, wait! Wait, wait, wait! Stop right there, Will Clark. The prosecution tried to raise the bond and did not get it
raised. Now, listen, every time I`ve ever gone to a judge and said, I need this bond raised and I`ll tell you why, I`ve never once been turned down.
So when a prosecutor asks to have a bond raised, there`s a reason.
When you say they didn`t get it raised, are you telling me a judge wouldn`t raise it?
CLARK: The chief deputy prosecutor for Clark County, Jeremy Mull, had attempted to raise it. Another prosecutor in his office lowered that bond,
which allowed Oberhansley to walk free, which set the scene for last week`s...
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Wait a minute! So somebody in the prosecution`s office wanted to raise the bond, and then another prosecutor lowered this
guy`s bond?
CLARK: That`s correct.
GRACE: Who?
CLARK: That prosecutor has not been named, but Jeremy Mull, the chief deputy prosecutor, has confirmed that person has resigned from their
office.
GRACE: Well, I guess so. I guess so! But you know what? That`s a very, very tough line to walk because I remember, Will Clark, every time I
would get a theft by receiving a stolen car, which would clearly be a lower range of punishment, it would be in my mind, OK, now, if I get this guy --
if let him out on probation, and then he gets out and guns somebody down, it`s going to be on me. I mean, even -- that extends to the simplest
crimes.
But this guy is a convicted killer. He`s already killed one woman who just gave birth. He tried to kill his own mother. Now, what can you tell
me about his other offenses?
CLARK: The low-speed police chase was -- that stemmed from -- police just saw him driving erratically, and it turned into that. And it was just
a $1,000 bond, which led to this last event. The choking out of the bar patron -- there`s not much that`s really come out about that. And then the
-- obviously, the kind of the crown jewel before we get to this latest event was the killing of the girlfriend and the critical wounding of his
mother back in Utah in 2000, which landed him about a decade behind bars.
Then it seems like after this low-speed police chase, he kind of fell off the radar until last week.
GRACE: Fell off the radar. Now, let me get this straight, Will Clark. When you say he fell off the radar -- he was on bond, but wasn`t he
still on parole and/or probation for all of his other offenses? How do you fall off the radar when you`re on bond?
For those of you just joining us, we`ve all seen the horrifying movie with Jody Foster and Anthony Hopkins. There`s Hannibal Lecter, as we all
know him so well. And tonight, emerging in the heartland, a real-life Hannibal Lecter, who through a series of miscarriages of justice -- he
walks free!
He`s a convicted killer, then he attacks his own mother, then he threatens a judge, then he DUIs. It goes on and on and on. A prosecutor
helps give him a low bond. Boom! He gets out, goes straight to his girlfriend, pictured here, breaks into her house, murders her. And when
police get to the crime scene, they find a plate with bones and blood on it.
To Michael Christian, what do we know of the crime scene?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, this crime scene was horrendous. When police got into that home, they found
blood in various rooms. They went into the bathroom of the home. There was blood on the floor and on the tub. And whatever was in the tub was
covered with a tarp or a cloth.
They later went back, after the crime scene was secured, they lifted up that tarp, and they found the remains of the victim here, Tammy Jo
Blanton. Her skull was partly removed. Her brain was partly removed. Also, her chest had been cut open, and her heart and part of one of her
lungs had been removed.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joseph Oberhansley is accused of stabbing his girlfriend to death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extraordinary allegations.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Admitted to cutting out a portion of her brain, cooking it, and then eating it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cannibalism.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In the last hours, a real-life Hannibal Lecter emerges in the heartland. Joining us, Will Clark, anchor with WHAS. Will, how did police
first learn that the victim, Tammy Jo Blanton, was dead?
CLARK: It all started -- they first made a run -- it was about 3:00 in the morning -- at the time, Ms. Blanton was still alive. There was some
sort of domestic dispute between her and Joseph Oberhansley. Police arrived, and at that point, Joseph Oberhansley left. The...
GRACE: Wait a minute. Whoa! Wait! Wait, wait, wait! This seems to be getting worse. Will Clark, are you telling me that police came to her
home within 24 hours of her being murdered and eaten, cooked and eaten, on a domestic, and they did not arrest the guy?
CLARK: They arrived, and by the time they had arrived, he had already left. That was about between 3:00 and 3:30 that morning. It then -- the
serious call came when a co-worker called police when Ms. Blanton failed to arrive for work at around 9:00. That co-worker tried to reach her,
couldn`t do it. Somebody claiming to be her brother actually picked up that phone, and that`s when they pulled up at Ms. Blanton`s Locust Street
home there in Jeffersonville and...
GRACE: OK, hold on. Will Clark, you know what that means? That means that he was still there at the scene, and when the co-worker calls
her house, he picks up the phone. He answered her phone. This is after she posts his bond. He gets out. Police come to the house on a domestic.
They don`t arrest him. The co-worker calls her house. Her brother picks up. The co-worker probably knows that`s not her brother and calls police.
I`m imagining that`s how it goes down. And then what happened?
CLARK: The police arrived. They noticed there was some forced entry on the back door of the house. They knock on the door. A man answers,
just calls himself Joe. They hold him on the front porch. They`re saying he`s got a fresh injury on his right hand, and he`s kind of edgy. So
they`re holding...
GRACE: Across the knuckles, a fresh cut across his knuckles, correct? That`s in the police affidavit?
CLARK: Yes.
GRACE: Then what happened?
CLARK: And then while the officers are holding Mr. Oberhansley on the front porch, they then go in the house, making a room-by-room search, and
that`s when they find Ms. Blanton`s remains in the bathroom, in the tub.
GRACE: Her bloody body found under a vinyl camping tent draped over her bathtub, as I recall the information.
And Michael Christian, you said this was one of the worst scenes prosecutors had ever seen. One of the prosecutors, Steve Stewart, is
quoted as saying he`s seen so much as a prosecutor, but never anything like this.
What else do we know, Michael?
CHRISTIAN: Well, Nancy, in addition to finding the remains of Ms. Blanton, they went into the kitchen and they found the evidence that he
had, indeed, eaten some of her. They found, for example, as you said, a plate with a skull bone and blood on it. They also found a skillet and a
pair of kitchen tongs with blood on the handles. And they found this skillet that had a black void (ph) on the surface, where apparently,
something has been cooked and then removed from the skillet.
GRACE: You are seeing shots of Jeffrey Oberhansley, who actually spoke out, stating he couldn`t have possibly have committed these crimes.
Take a listen to what he said, or at least part of it.
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JOSEPH OBERHANSLEY, CHARGED WITH MURDER: My name is Zeus Brown.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is Zeus Brown?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As Joseph Oberhansley was escorted out of court, he took his new identity with him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t buy it. I think there is a motive and a reason for what you saw in the courtroom today, and I don`t believe that he
really believes he`s Zeus Brown.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is one of the prosecutors speaking. He says his name is Zeus, as in the king of the gods.
Michael Christian, another thing about this that`s so, so disturbing, when you look at Tammy Jo Blanton -- let`s see a shot of Tammy Jo Blanton,
thought she was in love with this guy, I guess, thought that he had changed his life. Yes, he had a conviction for killing another woman that had just
given birth, trying to kill his mother, attacking a judge, and it goes on and on and on. But she`s so trusting, she posts his bond.
Joining me right now, a close and dear friend of Tammy Jo`s, Tonya Davalos. Tonya, thank you for being with us. I just can`t understand why.
And I`m not blaming her, I`m blaming him. But what possessed her to post his bond? I don`t understand, Tonya.
TONYA DAVALOS, FRIEND OF VICTIM (via telephone): Nancy, I think she really believed in him. At this point, though, we have talked about it.
We really think, at this point, she was afraid not to.
GRACE: Oh, really?
DAVALOS: Yes. We think that she did that out of fear of if he did get out, because we really know her well, and she changed. And she wasn`t
allowed to, you know, see her friends or talk to her friends. He even forced himself on her Facebook page to monitor that.
GRACE: How did he -- wait, wait! How did he do that from jail? How did he force himself onto her Facebook page? And how was...
DAVALOS: No, that was...
GRACE: ... he controlling her from behind prison walls?
DAVALOS: No, that was -- all that happened, the controlling, before he went to jail. He already had her, like, in his control. And you know,
at first, she just really thought that he`d changed. She really, really believed because he was young, he gave the story that he was on drugs back
then and he was a changed man. And at first, he appeared that way, even though we were all uncomfortable with him. He really gave that, you know,
appearance. But you know, she, of course, by the time she had feelings for him, I think she was seeing the signs but she was very afraid.
And so we just feel like the system failed her. So many things -- I mean, it could have been so different. If they hadn`t lowered that bond,
you know, we wouldn`t even be talking about this right now.
GRACE: You know, Tonya, I`m sick about it because, our justice system is set up to protect those that are weaker than we are, less cunning, less
powerful than everybody else. And Tammy Jo fits directly into that category -- trusting, naive, afraid.
And you know what? She should have been afraid because he got a plea on manslaughter to start with, when he killed his first victim, had a DUI,
led police on a chase, for Pete`s sake. Can you even imagine that? And yet prosecutors and judges alike kept letting him off the hook.
And she was right. She was right. This guy leads police on a chase, attacks a judge, has already killed one woman, a new mother, tries to kill
his own mother, and then he meets Tammy Jo Blanton, a real-life Hannibal Lecter.
For those of you who don`t know what we`re talking about, Hannibal Lecter, take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANTHONY HOPKINS, ACTOR: I must confess to you, I`m giving very serious thought to eating your wife.
JODY FOSTER, ACTOR: Hello?
HOPKINS: Is this Clarice? Well, hello, Clarice. I have been in a state of hibernation. I need some action, Clarice. I need to come out of
retirement and return to public life. I couldn`t help noticing on the FBI`s rather dull public Web site that I have been elevated to the more
prestigious 10 most wanted list. Is this coincidence, or are you back on the case? If so, goody- goody.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from MGM Universal Pictures, the story of Hannibal Lecter. And to the shock of so many tonight, a real-life Hannibal emerges
in the heartland.
Back to dear friend of Tammy Jo Blanton`s, Tonya Davalos. Tonya, again, thank you for being with us. So you believe that she feared if she
did not put up his bond, he would somehow get out and come after her?
DAVALOS: Yes. We really -- her close friends, we`ve discussed this. We really believe that`s it now because, I mean, we weren`t even allowed to
come to her house anymore. She was afraid. So you know, no matter how we talked to her, it`s, like, we felt like even if she, you know, realized
that she need to end this, and you know, she was afraid, and then when she finally got the nerve to do it, I mean, look what happened. I mean, so she
had the (ph) right. She knew.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cannibalism.
OBERHANSLEY: My name is Zeus Brown.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who`s Zeus Brown?
OBERHANSLEY: Me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to the probable cause, he also admitted to dismembering her body and cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cannibalism.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cannibalism.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back, everyone. A woman falls in love with the wrong guy, believes that he has changed his life, posts bond for him. His
friends say -- her friends say she was afraid not to, fearing that the justice system would fail her and he would get out anyway and come after
her.
And she was right. He did come after her. When police arrived at the scene, she`s found dead in the bathtub, a tarp over her body, and at the
table, a plate with bones and blood on it.
Unleash the lawyers, Seema Iyer out of New York, Yale Galanter out of Miami, former attorney for O.J. Simpson. Galanter, give me one good
reason, just one good reason this guy should not face the death penalty. You do know that in addition to killing the young woman that had just given
birth to his baby, he shot his mother in the back? I`ll just let you digest that...
YALE GALANTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He`s insane, Nancy.
GRACE: ... for a moment.
GALANTER: He`s -- he`s...
GRACE: He`s not insane!
GALANTER: ... as nuts as...
GRACE: He`s mean!
GALANTER: ... as it gets. No, he`s totally insane. I mean, you know the standard for insanity. You know insanity defenses rarely work. In
this case, it`s going to work because these facts are about as crazy as I`ve ever heard. This guy needs to be institutionalized for the rest of
his life.
GRACE: Seema Iyer, this guy is not crazy. He is pure evil. That`s what he is. And he`s been evil for a long time.
SEEMA IYER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Using your...
GRACE: He holds down a job. He knows how to communicate with other people. He had this woman under his spell, convincing her he was a changed
man. If I go along with Yale Galanter`s theory, every serial killer that`s ever been was crazy. Does that go for Jeff Dahmer? He killed someone and
ate them, in fact, many people. He wasn`t crazy. What about Ted Bundy, was he insane? No. They`re not insane, they`re just pure evil.
IYER: I am stunned, Nancy, that you`re not having any sympathy for this man. You just said, Nancy...
GRACE: True.
IYER: ... you said, the justice system is set up to protect the weaker. This poor guy is weak. He doesn`t know what he`s doing. He`s
acting so far beyond the bounds of normal society, it demonstrates a true illness, just like Yale said.
GRACE: You know what? You`re barking up the wrong tree, little girl, because I am a victim of homicide. Do not tell me how weak this cold-
blooded killer is. As a matter of fact, I`ll let somebody else address your theory that he`s weak and we should have sympathy for him.
Tonya Davalos is with us, dear friend of his latest victim, Tammy Jo Blanton. I assume you could hear what defense attorneys Yale Galanter and
Seema Iyer just said.
DAVALOS: It`s -- of course he`s crazy, because who would do this, but he is just evil. And he has an anger issue. He`s aggressive, and he knew
exactly what he was doing. It was another part of his control. He told her father, he told us this yesterday, we were with her father, he said, if
I can`t have her, no one will. And this is -- he just -- he did that. He knows what he was doing.
GRACE: You know, back to Seema Iyer and Yale Galanter. How many times has this scenario played out. When a man realizes he is getting
dumped -- why are you shaking your heads no? How can you be so blind?
IYER: Nancy, a breakup does not lead to a brain casserole.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: It happens all the time. Murder on the heels of a breakup.
IYER: You`re eating someone`s brain? This happens all the time.
GRACE: Murder. Murder.
GALANTER: This is not a serial killer. This is somebody who committed cannibalism.
GRACE: He`s killed two people! What do you think serial killer is?
GALANTER: Cannibalism, Nancy! Cannibalism!
IYER: Yale, I agree with you.
GALANTER: This is insane and as nuts as it gets.
GRACE: And unfortunately --
GALANTER: In 25 years of doing criminal work, I`ve never heard of anything like this.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Really? take a look at this picture I`m putting up for you. It`s not an MGM movie, it`s Jeff Dahmer. He wasn`t crazy. He was not
deemed crazy. He was deemed guilty. Do we have a shot of Jeff Dahmer? There you go! He`s not crazy. He was just mean. He was fixated on killing
young boys and eating them! No, no, no, no, no.
Will Clark, please tell me, the prosecutors are seeking the death penalty, because the system failed Tammy Jo Blanton from the get-go, the
young woman that he murdered, the young mom, his own mother that he shot in the back. The other man that he put in a choke hold, the police that he
led on a chase into another state, Kentucky, I think. Yes, the justice system let her down, and now she`s dead, and you know what? I want
justice. I want this guy to get justice. Tell me they`re seeking the death penalty?
CLARK: I believe that the prosecutor here is going to seek the death penalty in Indiana. That`s going to be a lethal injection. It`s obviously
like any other state, going to be a lengthy process, before they would go up to the Indiana state death chamber up at Michigan City. But I say with
his record going back to where he`s already killed in Utah and he`s pretty much established a trend of being a violent offender, I think that the
Clark County prosecutor will probably be able to make that case, and this is an area that`s already familiar with the death penalty. The adjacent
county, Floyd County, has just sent a man to the death chamber twice. He has two death penalties against him, so.
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GRACE: Live, Houston. She makes her way through undergrad and then med school and then residency. Then, this up-and-coming young female
oncologist falls in love with a co-worker, a doctor. But in the midst of their sex affair, she learns his longtime girlfriend miscarries, and
suddenly her lover is found poisoned with a deadly dose of anti-freeze.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 24 hours, not 36 hours, that can kill a person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But four hours later, he knew something was wrong. These alleged allegations have shocked those in the medical field.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Adela Uchida with 92 F.M. Thanks so much for being us. How are they so convinced this that young oncologist is the one
that slipped anti-freeze to another doctor?
UCHIDA: Well, there are a couple of things going on here, Nancy. One, a doctor testifying today, the one doctor that treated Dr. George
Blumenschein, when he came in (inaudible) with kidney failure, that they found poison metabolites in his urine. They also, both doctors apparently
admit to having a sexual relationship. They were lovers. And Dr. George Blumenschein also has a longtime live-in lover. So doctors are saying that
Dr. Ana Maria Gonzalez-Angulo was jealous, that she was essentially in this love triangle and it was a fatal attraction.
GRACE: Dr. Ana Angulo, part of a deadly love obsession, apparently in love with a coworker, another doctor, so she makes it all the way through
med school, residency, the works, to become one of the most prestigious up- and-coming oncologists, a female, suddenly, her lover found poisoned with a deadly dose of antifreeze. It`s not the first time it`s happened.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Delia Depollto (ph), accused of once trying to poison her husband`s Starbucks coffee with antifreeze. Lynn Turner,
convicted of fatally poisoning her husband and later her boyfriend with antifreeze. Stacy Caster (ph) convicted of murdering her husband by
poisoning him with antifreeze. Jamie Baker is accused of lacing her husband`s steroid injections with antifreeze. Holly McFeature (ph)
sentenced to life in prison for killing the father of her two children with antifreeze. Diane Stott (ph) is accused of poisoning her husband and son
with antifreeze. Karla Ray Haig (ph), pleaded guilty to felonious assault for poisoning her husband with antifreeze. Angelina Rodriguez, sentenced
to death for poisoning her husband with oleander tea and antifreeze laced Gatorade. Kate Knight (ph), sentenced to 30 years for lacing her husband`s
food with antifreeze on their anniversary. Theresa Kotomsky (ph) accused of poisoning husband Raymond with antifreeze. Cynthia Galens (ph),
convicted of manslaughter for poisoning her boyfriend with antifreeze laced margaritas.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Hiding antifreeze in a margarita? Okay. With me Adela Uchida and Dave Mack. An up-and-coming young oncologist, now cops zero in on her
after her lover takes a deadly dose of antifreeze. To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner and forensic pathologist, death by antifreeze is extremely
painful, right?
MANION: Yes, you`ll go into renal failure, and as all your electrolytes get upset, there can be serious consequences. Antifreeze has
a sweet taste. Manufacturers are trying to add a chemical to the new antifreeze that will make it taste bitter, so people won`t drink it, and
for instance, pets won`t drink it out of a can in the garage or something like that.
GRACE: Clark, what can you tell me?
GOLDBAND: Nancy, here`s what we know about the timeline. Authorities say this man travels back from San Diego, back down to Houston. He spends
the evening with his girlfriend. The next morning --
GRACE: Wait, which girlfriend? Her, the oncologist or the other?
GOLDBAND: His longtime girlfriend.
GRACE: All right.
GOLDBAND: That he`s trying to have kids with.
GRACE: The pregnant girlfriend.
GOLDBAND: Yes. Here`s where things change, so to speak. According to authorities, the man does not go to his office, which is at the
hospital, he`s a doctor, he goes to this suspect`s house --
GRACE: The oncologist?
GOLDBAND: He goes to this oncologist`s house, where they engage in oral sex and drink a shot of vodka.
GRACE: Wait, wait, wait. So he goes to his pregnant girlfriend, they have sex, then he goes to this woman`s house --
GOLDBAND: I don`t know that they had sex the night before, the longtime lover. This is only what authorities are saying and what has come
out in court. I can tell you, he spent the night with his longtime lover, and the next morning, he then goes to the oncologist`s home, where,
according to authorities, they have oral sex and a shot of vodka. But here`s what`s interesting.
GRACE: Did you say oral sex and then a shot of vodka or was it reversed?
GOLDBAND: I don`t know the specific sequence, but authorities do say both were involved. Now, Nancy, the question here, and what her defense is
saying is, there`s nothing to tie this antifreeze substance to their client. And Nancy, I think they have a solid case here.
GRACE: Wait, wait, wait. When did you go to law school?
GOLDBAND: I did not --
GRACE: You think the defense has a solid case, why?
GOLDBAND: Well, Nancy, this is a circumstantial case. And I`ve worked on this show for ten years, I understand what you`re going to say
about circumstantial evidence, and you know I`ve learned from you, Nancy, I`ve learned from the best, but there is not that smoking gun. And if the
jury wants what we call a CSI effect, where they`re looking to try and see something that concretely proves that this woman poisoned something, I just
don`t see it here, Nancy. Now, I will tell you --
GRACE: Well, glad you`re not on the jury. Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host, you just heard from legal scholar, Clark Goldband, who has the
defense has a great case. Tell me what ties the doctor, the lady doctor, to the lover that got antifreeze poisoning?
MACK: According to the prosecutors, Nancy, ethyl glycol is actually the substance we`re dealing with here that is found in antifreeze, but it
is also found in most medical facilities as well. It`s sweet tasting. She made him coffee at the house. The coffee tasted too sweet. He always
drinks his coffee black. He made comments at work once they got there, she made a big cup, so he could have two. He drank one at her house, drank
another cup at work from the same cup, and he complained that his coffee was too sweet.
Prosecutors are claiming that she made him a special Colombian coffee because she was mad that his long-term girlfriend was still trying to have
a baby, and that even though she miscarried twins, that they were going to try to have a baby again.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop. Dave Mack, hold on. Put him up. Put him up. Okay, Dave Mack, my question to you was not about sugar in his
coffee. Although, that`s a very good probative, or it proves something point. He always took his coffee with no sugar. That day, his coffee was
extremely sweet. We know that antifreeze is extremely sweet. All right. My question was, what ties her to the poison? The poisonous dosage? Did
they find the ethyl alcohol, the antifreeze, in the cup that she gave him?
MACK: No. Not that I`m aware of, Nancy. They found it in his system. I never heard anybody say that they found it in that plastic cup
that he had.
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GRACE: And now to prestigious UVA, University of Virginia. A gorgeous coed vanishes. Tonight, grainy surveillance video emerges of her
in her apartment hall, but still, no Hanna.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is still a missing persons case.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have spent all day, combing through this area, searching for any sign of the 18-year-old second-year UVA student.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls on the missing UVA student. To Talya Cunningham, WCHV, Talya, what do we know of her disappearance?
CUNNINGHAM: Hi, Nancy. We know the police are still trying to piece together the night that she disappeared. She was last seen newly emerged
surveillance video was just -- emerged today. Actually this afternoon. We found that her last whereabouts were at McGrady`s Irish pub at 12:45 a.m.
Saturday early hours of the morning, which is downtown Charlottesville. She was seen before that at a party leaving there alone around 12:15 a.m.
She was last heard of via text message at 1:20 a.m. Saturday morning to her friend. That`s the night that the police are putting together right now.
GRACE: So she is last heard of around 1:20 a.m. the night she disappears. Police searching the area of Grady and Preston desperately
trying to find this young UVA co-ed. Right now. Take a look. Here is what we know. 5`11. Skinny build. Blue eyes, light brown hair and
freckles, last seen wearing a black top with mesh cutouts. To Dr. Bill Manion, if items of clothing are found, how can they be traced back to her?
MANION: Well, if her friends recognize her clothing, they know her size, also they may use dogs that would have her scent and would get her
scent from other clothes in her apartment, and then match it to the scent they find.
GRACE: Marc Klaas, weigh in.
KLAAS: This is really troubling, Nancy. Because at least three other young women have disappeared from this same area over the course of the
last five years, including Morgan Harrington. She`s in fact the only one that`s been found. This young lady was alone in the dark. She was
disoriented. She had too much to drink. She was paying attention to her cell phone. She was an absolutely perfect target. Let`s just hope that we
can find her alive and find her sooner rather than later.
GRACE: Let`s take a look at the other two young ladies, possibly three missing in the same area. Morgan Harrington, a 20-year-old Virginia
Tech student. Then Samantha Ann Clarke, vanished leaving her Orange County townhouse. Dashad Smith also disappears in Charlotteville in 2012.
None of these cases have been solved.
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GRACE: As we go to air tonight, we learn police are bringing out bloodhounds in their desperate search for this UVA coed. With me Dr.
Ramani Durvasula. Joining me out of LA, clinical psychologist. Why is Hannah Graham the perfect target as Marc Klaas correctly pointed out?
DURVASULA: New college students, female college students in particular, do become a target because many times they`re living some place
new also so they can get disorientated and they don`t know their way around. She may have had -- sounds like she had too much to drink. All of
this does combine to make these young women a perfect target, and many times people who prey on these young women probably know college campuses
are a great place to find women who don`t know their way around, it`s a new place to live, and there`s also a safety assumed about being on a college
campus. A girl should feel safe in a university amongst her friends in a college town, so a lot of people let their guard down, which is probably
what this young woman did. She was just being an 18 year old at college.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Seema Iyer, Yale Galanter out of Miami. Yale, I know you heard Marc Klaas when he brought up three other young
women, unsolved disappearances in the same area.
GALANTER: That sounds like a serial kidnapping, murder, some type of serial predator preying on these young women, and the campus needs to do
something about it. They need to beef up security. Educate these girls.
GRACE: I agree. It`s a good point about campus security.
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GRACE: -- over and over following up on what Yale said, we see lapses in campus security. Delays. Lapses. Failure to correctly identify a
kidnapping or disappearance, and it leads to cold cases. Police lose the lead on the case because of campus security.
IYER: The training involved in campus security and positions like that is so de minimis. We can sit here and have conversations about how
the police are not trained properly enough. Neither is campus security. Some of these guys have criminal records.
GRACE: You know what, good point. Clark, however, is that the case here?
GOLDBAND: It does not appear to be the case here. In fact, authorities seem to have pounced on this as soon as they got a call. Her
friends and roommates didn`t realize until 4:30 p.m. the next day that she was missing, they all got together, they realized they haven`t seen her,
and that, as soon as authorities got involved, they pounced on this case, Nancy. They were searching right away.
GRACE: So UVA security, campus police followed through immediately. Everyone, tipline in this case, 434-295-3851. Missing UVA coed Hannah
Graham.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Charles Browning. Just 31, Tucson, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, a military fitness
center named in his honor. A corrections officer back home. Loved the outdoors and country music. Widow, Lisa. Two daughters. Charles
Browning, American hero. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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