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Carter`s Body Found Through Cell Phone; First Ebola Case in the U.S.
Aired October 01, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. CDC disease detectives race to Texas to track down any potential Ebola victims after the deadly
and contagious killer virus hits U.S. soil, the first U.S. Ebola case verified after a male patient touches down, Dallas, Texas, from Liberia,
wanders around metropolitan Dallas for eight days before diagnosis.
Bombshell tonight. At this hour, reports up to 12 people potentially infected with deadly Ebola, including five school children. At this hour,
U.S. health officials scrambling to contain the horrific and deadly virus after this, the first case of Ebola on U.S. soil.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A man who contracted the Ebola virus flew from Liberia to the United States...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... has tested positive for Ebola virus.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He went to the hospital and was placed in isolation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to be on our guard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doctors warned to remain vigilant.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, quote, "I just want my wife back," the desperate words of a husband whose real estate wife vanishes after she shows a vacant
home to a mystery buyer. Three hours later, husband Carl goes looking, to find the vacant home`s front door wide open, car and purse left behind.
That night, he receives bizarre texts from his wife`s cell phone. Then the horrific and heartbreaking news Beverly Carter`s body found buried in a
shallow grave.
Tonight, we learn the beloved realtor wife, Beverly Carter, did not have to die. This guy should have already been in jail! Why was he out on
parole, walking free to allegedly attack Beverly? Now she ends up dead in a shallow grave?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beverly Carter`s body was discovered in a shallow grave.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why Beverly? Why Beverly?
ARRON LEWIS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: (INAUDIBLE) rich broker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This was a stranger to her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill her?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Behind Argos (ph) Ready Mix concrete company in Cabot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Lewis is familiar with these grounds.
LEWIS: Sorry.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, "Real Housewife" turned real convict, Teresa Giudice and husband busted, feds honing in on their lavish lifestyle, the
two caught red-handed lying to the feds to get even more money, reports the "Real Housewife" brags, I`ll never do one day behind bars. But after
stealing thousands from the taxpayers, "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice sports a brand-new $3,000 Valentino purse. And is it true "Real Housewife"
Teresa Giudice throws a pre-prison party? This as prosecutors say, Lock them up, demanding prison time for "Real Housewife" Teresa and Joe Giudice.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Teresa Giudice, allegedly downsizing after bankruptcy and federal convictions, was seen house shopping with a
Valentino purse worth over $2,400, while still owing millions of dollars to various creditors.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just days away from sentencing for fraud, Teresa and Joe Giudice reportedly threw a pre-prison party.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: "I just want my wife back," the desperate words of a husband whose real estate wife vanishes after she shows a vacant home to a mystery
buyer. Then the horrific and heartbreaking news Beverly Carter`s body found buried in a shallow grave.
Now we learn the beloved realtor wife, Beverly Carter -- she did not have to die. This guy should have already been behind bars. Why was he
out on parole, walking free to allegedly attack Beverly Carter? And now she`s the one who ends up dead in a shallow grave?
Joining me right now there on the scene, Dan Grossman, reporter with CNN affiliate KTHV. Dan, we are learning so much. And I have been told
that the way Beverly`s body was found buried in that shallow grave dug at Argos cement company, where the suspect used to work until he was fired,
was through her cell phone? Is that true, Dan?
DAN GROSSMAN, KTHV: Yes, Nancy. There are still not many details being released. The sheriff`s office here did hold a press conference
yesterday at 2:00 PM to try to clear up some of the details, but one of the things that still remains, one of the questions that still remains, is how
exactly did she die? They said that they did find her in that shallow grave behind Argos mixing company, but that`s about it. They wouldn`t
comment on the condition of the body, or if there was any marks, bruises, gunshot wounds or anything.
GRACE: Before I ask you any more, I want to make sure with the New York control room -- with me right now is Carl Carter, Jr. This is
Beverly`s son. And as we discuss this further, please have his earpiece out until we get him set up, please, Liz.
Dan Grossman with CNN affiliate KTHV, you are stating -- let me see Dan, please -- that we don`t know the cause of death yet, Dan. Has her
body been moved from the morgue to the funeral home? I know the services are set for Saturday, but is her body still at the morgue?
GROSSMAN: We`re still trying to find out that information. I did speak with Lieutenant Carl Minden, who is the public information officer
for the Pulaski County sheriff`s office, who has been heading this entire investigation. He said that an autopsy was performed yesterday, but he
would not comment on whether or not it had been completed as of about 5:00 PM last night. So we are still learning new details. We did get in touch
with him this morning. He said there are not any new details that they could comment on today that they didn`t already comment on yesterday.
GRACE: OK, Dan, another question to you -- KTHV, joining me there on the scene. Dan, do we know if clothing has been sent to the crime lab?
This is what I know, Dan. I know that he is being changed with a capital murder. That means he`s death penalty-qualified. You only get that if you
meet an aggravating circumstance, which could be kidnap or sex assault. I`m trying to find this out.
Dan, do we know if her clothing has been sent to the crime lab for analysis?
GROSSMAN: We do not. It would be our assumption that it has been because they -- as they said, they`ve been doing so much work on this case.
GRACE: OK.
GROSSMAN: And they did comment yesterday that there is still a lot of work to do in this investigation.
GRACE: Joining me right now, writer for "People" magazine Steve Helling, also on the story. Steve, I understand that after over 12 hours
of interrogation -- over 12 hours of interrogation -- he would not tell police where Beverly was.
You know what? Forget about the family. Forget about the husband that says "I just want my wife back" and he`s been out physically looking
for his wife, goes looking for her when she`s gone three hours. He knows something is wrong. Forget about the three sons. Forget about her family.
He won`t give up where the body is.
We`re told -- our sources are telling us, Steve Helling, that they finally found her somehow through her cell phone. What do you know?
Liz, please quit showing the dating Web site for the defendant? That`s off PlentyofFish.com, like, what -- we`ll talk about that later, but
please quit showing his dating Web site.
Steve Helling, how did they find the body?
STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: Well, yes, you`re exactly right, Nancy. They -- they went and they -- they looked at her cell phone records
and they figured out where that had pinged and where the cell phone had been. And then they started putting two and two together. The concrete
company where she was found was actually where Lewis had worked there for a few weeks. So they kind of put two and two together and zeroed in on where
she was.
GRACE: To Ben Levitan, joining me now out of Raleigh. Ben, thank you for being with us -- telecommunications expert. Days had passed, Ben,
since she went missing. How could they have found her body through her cell phone? Why didn`t it go dead?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Nancy, if the cell phone was on, it was easy to do. You know (INAUDIBLE) dial 911,
Nancy. The cell phone company can determine your location within 100 feet. Now, law enforcement has been using this for the past couple years also to
track people. We can send a signal to a cell phone, and it will come back with a location within 100 feet.
Now, Nancy, if her phone was off, we can look at her cell phone records and determine what cell tower she was close to. And frankly, if
the suspect`s phone was in those same cell tower locations, it probably gave the police a clue as to who to look for and where the body possibly
was. So when her phone was last used, if it was in the same cell tower location as the suspect, then they probably had a search area of about
three square miles. If that phone was on, Nancy, they could pinpoint it down to 100 feet.
GRACE: With me, Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. So let me get this straight. Even if your cell phone goes dead, you leave it on and
it goes dead, the police can find the last known ping before the cell phone went dead? They could go back and look at those pings? They don`t have to
look at pings in realtime, they can go back and look at the last ping, and if it was there at Argos cement factory, then they would know?
LEVITAN: Generally, you can know what cell tower it was last at. And that`s an area probably about three square miles. And if in that three
square miles was a cement factory and it`s the known workplace of the suspect, that would be an obvious place to look.
GRACE: OK, let`s go to what the control room was putting up earlier. Michael Christian, what are these photos? The PlentyofFish is some kind of
dating Web site, a free dating Web site. OK, you can show it one last time, Liz. Here he is, Arron M. Lewis, 33-year-old suspect in the kidnap
and murder of wife and mother, realtor wife Beverly Carter. Wasn`t he married? Why is he is on PlentyofFish with semi-nude photos of himself?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, I think you can figure out why he was on there with the semi-nude photos of
himself. But yes, according to the records that we have, there was a marriage performed in April of this year between the defendant and a woman
named Crystal Lowery (ph). He was 33, she was 41, and they were married in April.
GRACE: OK, everybody, you`re seeing the shots of him now. I want to get back to what we were talking about. Dan Grossman joining me from KTHV.
We don`t know whether the autopsy is done yet. When we find out if the state is seeking the death penalty, it`s my understanding the family,
Beverly`s family, wants the death penalty. What`s the problem?
GROSSMAN: When we were able to talk to Mr. Lewis yesterday coming out of the courthouse, it was a very different story from what he told us in
the first -- in the morning. He still maintained his innocence when we first talked to him around 6:45, but then at around 8:45, he said that he
was sorry and just wanted this all over with, saying he was willing to actually plead guilty to capital murder. But you are not allowed to plead
guilty to capital murder in circuit court. And in a case like this, it still needs to be investigated before he can actually plead guilty.
GRACE: All right, take a look at what we`re talking about.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arron, are you hurting for some reason?
ARRON LEWIS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s wrong?
LEWIS: I got in a car wreck the other day. I haven`t been to the hospital yet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You pled not guilty. Why?
LEWIS: Because that`s what my lawyer said to do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you originally in the courtroom say you wanted to get just get it over with, that you had pled -- that you wanted
to plead guilty?
LEWIS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?
LEWIS: Because I just want this all over with.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You would be willing to plead guilty to the capital murder charges?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So did your lawyer basically encourage you to...
LEWIS: I`m just sorry it all happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was that?
LEWIS: I`m just sorry it all happened. I just want it all over.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, from what he says, Dan Grossman, that sounds like a confession to me. So what`s the holdup on the announcement that they will
seek the death penalty?
GROSSMAN: Well, the investigators that we`ve talked to -- we talked to lead investigator Larry Jaglian (ph), and he said that they want to be
as clear and concise and as thorough as possible. They did mention in that press conference that I`ve been referencing that...
GRACE: Can I ask you something, Dan?
GROSSMAN: ... it is frustrating -- yes?
GRACE: I`m all happy with them being clear and concise. Why was he out? What`s going on that he gets out? I mean, he`s been in and out, in
and out, in and out of jail. Why does he get out early on his last felony offense? Why is he walking free to track down realtor wife Beverly Carter,
kidnap and kill her? Why?
GROSSMAN: They said he was on good behavior. They said that he had good behavior in jail, so he only served the first three years of that six-
year sentence he got for theft of property. And then they also said that when he was out on parole that he was a good parolee by normal standards.
They said that there were only a few hiccups when he came to reporting to parole, but aside from those few hiccups, they said that he was a very good
parolee.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta, Trent Copeland, defense attorney, LA. Also with us
tonight, psychologist out of New York, Caryn Stark.
All right, to you, Peter Odom. Good behavior? As a matter of fact, he had several infractions behind bars. Why is he out walking free?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, at some point, Nancy, even if they have infractions, they`re going to get out. And he was apparently
entitled to parole, so he was out.
GRACE: Well, don`t you -- aren`t you kept up with while on parole? Can`t you violate parole?
ODOM: Presumably. They keep in touch with you. You`re supposed to report in. You`re supposed to report any law enforcement contacts. And
obviously, you know, if he is guilty of this, then somebody dropped the ball.
GRACE: OK, you know, I don`t think that`s much comfort to Beverly Carter`s family, Trent Copeland, if he`s guilty. He just told you he was.
You saw him shaking his head yes, that he did it. He`s sorry, he says, now. That`s no comfort to Beverly Carter`s family that somebody dropped
the ball, Trent Copeland. What`s your defense?
TRENT COPELAND, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, look, I`m not sure that really is a confession, Nancy. It might have gotten close to a confession.
He said, "I`m sorry this happened," but O.J. Simpson said...
GRACE: He said he wanted to plead...
COPELAND: ... he was sorry it happened, too...
GRACE: He said he wanted to plead guilty!
COPELAND: ... before his criminal case. It`s not -- no, although he said he wanted to plead guilty...
GRACE: Yes, he did!
COPELAND: ... that does not make him factually guilty. And you know that, Nancy. Simply saying...
GRACE: No, I don`t!
COPELAND: ... you want to plead guilty does not establish what`s called -- you know it, Nancy -- a factual basis.
GRACE: Well, first of all...
COPELAND: And there has to be a factual basis. And simply saying...
GRACE: I want you to understand...
COPELAND: ... that you want to plead guilty...
GRACE: ... the rules.
COPELAND: ... doesn`t mean...
GRACE: The rules are...
COPELAND: ... that you are guilty.
GRACE: ... you don`t tell me what I know. I`m telling you what we just all saw. Am I supposed to believe you or my lying` eyes? He just
said he wanted to plead guilty.
COPELAND: You know...
GRACE: His lawyers wouldn`t let him...
COPELAND: ... Nancy...
GRACE: ... and he also said he was sorry.
COPELAND: He said he`s sorry. His lawyers want him to plead innocent. He wanted to plead guilty. OK, we heard that, but that still
doesn`t establish a factual basis. He may be guilty, Nancy. No one want this is guy in prison more than the family and everyone with like-minded
people. But the reality is, there`s a legal process, a judicial process, and we`ve got to go through that...
GRACE: You know, what I`m hearing...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... blah, blah, blah, blah right now.
COPELAND: You`ve heard a million times before, Nancy, that people...
GRACE: There you go!
COPELAND: ... can say one thing and...
GRACE: This is not about me!
COPELAND: ... a week later...
GRACE: This is about the law.
COPELAND: ... they can change their mind.
GRACE: All right, if you don`t think him saying, I`m sorry, I want to plead guilty, is a confession, take a listen to this, Trent Copeland.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you kill Beverly Carter?
LEWIS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You did not?
LEWIS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say?
LEWIS: I had a -- I had a co-defendant. I haven`t seen her for two days. Now they`re showing pictures of this. I haven`t seen her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can you explain what happened?
LEWIS: I had a co-defendant (DELETED) (DELETED). He`s Air Force at the military base.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what`s your relationship with (DELETED)?
LEWIS: They want to pick (ph) -- he`s got texts back and forth of me and him, and then they wanted my phone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why Beverly? Why Beverly?
LEWIS: She`s a rich broker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say to the family?
LEWIS: I`m sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What else do you want to say to the family?
LEWIS: Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why Beverly?
LEWIS: Because she was just a woman who worked alone, a rich broker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill her?
LEWIS: No.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Now, during his walk from the sheriff`s office to the jail, he made several statements apologizing to the family, claiming a co-defendant.
Cops say that`s unfounded. He`s the only person changed in the case.
And to you, Trent Copeland and Peter Odom, check your earpieces. Did you just hear him say...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I checked mine, Nancy...
GRACE: ... he targeted her because she`s...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) what I heard...
GRACE: ... a, quote, "rich broker."
COPELAND: He clearly incriminates himself in terms of being involved, but he clearly says when he`s asked, Did you murder her, he says no. Did
you kill her? No. He says someone else -- said he had a co-defendant. So yes, did he incriminate himself? Did he say (INAUDIBLE) close? Did he put
himself at the murder scene? You bet he did. But he didn`t say, and it`s a far reach from saying, I killed her.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: For those of you just joining us, we learn that the family of Beverly Carter, the real estate broker wife who was found dead in a shallow
grave, demanding the death penalty.
Everyone, joining us tonight, Carl Carter, Jr. This is Beverly Carter`s son. Carl, thank you for being with us.
CARL CARTER, JR., SON: Thank you for having me, Nancy.
GRACE: Carl, I just want you to know at the outset, we have been praying and hoping from the moment we first heard your mom was missing --
just such a fine and beautiful lady.
CARTER: She was!
GRACE: And I`m just so sorry.
CARTER: Thank you.
GRACE: Carl, the day your mom went missing, what happened?
CARTER: She was -- it was just a regular day for her. She didn`t text me personally. We had talked the day before. But she was texting
family and she talked to my dad. She said, I`m going to show a couple of properties on my way home. She told him the properties. She always did
that as a safety precaution. And she told him that she`d bring dinner home. And she never made it home!
GRACE: When did your dad become concerned?
CARTER: I`m early to go to bed, and he called me at 9:00 o`clock and he said, Son, I haven`t heard from your mom yet and I`m getting concerned.
And we kind of joked and he said -- he said, You know, I`m getting kind of hungry, too. And I said, Well, Dad, if it makes you feel any better, you
know Mom`s probably out. It`s a good deal. They wanted to write an offer on the house. And this is nothing to worry about.
And he said, Son, well, every time I call her, her phone`s going to voicemail. And I said, Well, you know how busy she is. Maybe her phone
just died? And this was shortly after, I don`t know, right around 9:00 o`clock.
And I offered to get up. And I did. I went to check her office just to see if maybe her phone had died. And her office was dark and no one was
there. And he went to the first property and he found her car and the house open, and she was just gone, just gone!
GRACE: You know, Carl -- everyone, with me is Beverly`s son, Carl, Jr. You know, Carl, it changes everything when you are a crime victim, all
right? Even now, when I drop the children at school, I`m afraid. I`m never afraid for me, I`m afraid, will I not see them again, my husband, my
family, my parents. It affects you from then on because something you just said, that it was just a regular day. And then all of a sudden,
everything`s sideways. And it seems like it never goes back!
CARTER: It doesn`t. And you know, you worry about your kids. You worry -- you know, naturally, we watch our babies. I`m a dad, and we watch
out for our babies. And we always think, Where are the kids, you know, and keep an eye on them. You never think somebody`s going to take your mom!
GRACE: You know, you want to say something to me, to the viewers about your mother. What is it?
CARTER: That I`m so sorry this happened! I love you, Mom! And I promise I will find a way to not let this man take my joy. I will not let
my heart become jaded and bitter, and I`ll be the son that my mom wants me to be, and that I`m going to work with people like you, Miss Nancy, and we
will see that justice is served!
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: CDC disease detectives race to Texas to track down any potential Ebola victims after the deadly and contagious killer virus hits
U.S. soil. The first U.S. Ebola case verified when a male patient touches down in Dallas, Texas, flying in from Liberia. Wanders around metropolitan
Dallas for eight days before diagnosis. At this hour, reports of up to 18 people potentially infected with deadly Ebola, including school children.
U.S. health officials scrambling to contain the virus after this, the first case of Ebola on U.S. soil. Joining me right now, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN
chief medical correspondent. Sanjay, it`s a relief and an honor to have you with us. What`s happening?
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, in some ways what is happening is historic. It`s obviously concerning. But also
wasn`t entirely unexpected. We have been hearing about what`s going on in West Africa for some time. I was over there a few months ago, and this
idea that someone who had been exposed to Ebola and was carrying it in their bodies could get on an international flight and fly anywhere around
the world, it is something that people have been talking about for a while. And that appears to be what happened here. It was a person who was exposed
over there in Liberia, got on a plane. When they got on a plane, it sounded like they didn`t have any sickness and were feeling just fine. Got
off the plane on the 20th of September and felt just fine, and a few days later, started to get sick, Nancy.
GRACE: I want to find out. You have been to West Africa. What was it like there, Sanjay, if you can tell us firsthand?
GUPTA: Nancy, it makes you appreciate I think the public health system in the United States. The public health system just doesn`t exist
over there. We were there at an Ebola area, a place where they were taking care of Ebola patients. What it was, Nancy, was a series of tents set up
in the middle of a field. And that`s what happened a lot of times in those situations. They just don`t have the capacity, the resources and the
money, any of that to take care of the sort of things we are talking about here. When somebody is sick with Ebola, you got to find all the people
they may have come in contact with, how do you do that? There is no phones, there is no roads. It`s really, really challenging to try and stem
the outbreak over there. It`s heartbreaking in a way, Nancy.
GRACE: With me, everybody, and taking your calls, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN chief medical correspondent. Sanjay, Ebola is here in the United
States. We are getting lots of calls and e-mails and tweets. How is it spread? I know it`s through bodily fluids, but does that include drinking
after somebody, kissing somebody or having them sneeze on you? What? Break it down for me, Sanjay.
GUPTA: I think the two most important things -- it is spread by bodily fluids as opposed to through the air. Think of a flu or a cold,
that can be spread through the air.
The other thing is it`s not spread until someone is quite sick. The people who have Ebola are usually in bed. They have a hard time getting
around or they are in a hospital. They are not up walking around a shopping mall and that sort of thing. It`s -- there is a little bit of
protection in that, that they are not going to spread it to large numbers of people. It`s usually health care workers and family members. But yes,
to your point, just getting a little bit of bodily fluid that is infected from somebody onto yourself, onto your skin even, can possibly cause an
infection. There have been reports for somebody who`s very sick with Ebola, even sweat can actually transmit the virus. So it is highly
infectious in that way. Does not go through the air, but even a small amount of it can cause an infection.
GRACE: OK. Sanjay, I want to be relieved. I want to be confident about what you are saying, but it`s very hard for me to take in, somebody
has Ebola. And they don`t know it yet. And they cannot give it to you until they manifest symptoms?
GUPTA: That`s a good way of putting it. What happens is, to make it a little bit more clear, is that when someone gets sick, it is because the
virus has started to replicate through their body and it is spread throughout all their bodily fluids. If you have a little bit of Ebola
virus in your body, you may not be sick. It`s when it`s divided and replicated many, many times. It is also at that point that that virus can
start to leave your body through your bodily fluids and possibly infect somebody else. So when you are not feeling sick at all, you are not going
to spread the virus. When you start to get sick, you become more likely to spread the virus, and the sicker you are, the more infectious you are.
GRACE: See, this is what is confusing me about this case we have right now on U.S. soil. The guy comes in from Liberia. He goes to the
hospital. They give him antibiotics and they let him go home. He is still wandering around, not realizing he has Ebola. If -- why do they have
school children they are looking at right now, up to 18 people he may have infected. How can that be if you can`t transmit it until you are
manifesting serious symptoms? Why are they looking at 20 people?
GUPTA: He was sick. This is a guy who got sick on the 24th of September. He went to the hospital here on the 26th. At that point he
should have been admitted to the hospital and put in isolation and been tested for Ebola. That didn`t happen. But remember, he was sick. So
because that didn`t happen, all of a sudden you have a guy who -- I don`t know if he went home and where he went, but he came in contact with people
during the time that he was sick, before he got admitted to the hospital.
GRACE: What about the ambulance?
GUPTA: They could have shortened that, to your point, Nancy--
GRACE: What about the ambulance? Is it true, Sanjay, that the ambulance they used to transport him with Ebola to the hospital was in use
for two more days before they figured it out?
GUPTA: Yes, it was used, and that was during the time they were waiting for the Ebola testing to come back. That is a concern. We did
talk to the folks about it. They say after every trip, they decontaminate the ambulance, they clean the surfaces, all the sorts of things they would
do with any patient. And they say that should rid in this case the ambulance of Ebola. The virus can live outside the body, but if you use
cleaning solutions, you can probably get rid of it. So that`s what they were saying.
But I will tell you, no one -- we have never dealt with this in this country like this. There has never been a patient diagnosed with Ebola in
this country. So some of this is a new experience. The fact that the patient was sent home and not admitted, the first time they came in, the
fact that they didn`t really realize he had just come from Liberia, a place where Ebola is obviously spreading, that`s a problem. That was a miss.
That shouldn`t be happening in this country.
GRACE: That`s another thing, Sanjay. I can`t even go in for a check- up without them asking have you traveled out of the country. I`m like, no, I have only gone to work. That`s the only place I`ve been. I`m surprised
that got lost in the sauce.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: The first case of Ebola diagnosed in the United States.
COOPER: First Ebola diagnosis here on U.S. soil.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ebola in the United States. Doctors confirmed the first case has been diagnosed in America.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ebola has been diagnosed here on American soil for the first time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was some concern about Ebola, exposures to Ebola, probably should have been tested earlier.
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GRACE: The day has come, the first case of Ebola on U.S. soil. What if anything can be done? This has been discussed now for months. Will
Ebola make it to the U.S.? Now it has. Almost 20 people now potentially exposed in the Texas area. This guy, Thomas Eric Duncan, walking around
for over a week before he is finally diagnosed with Ebola. This amid reports he actually told staff at the hospital he had been in Liberia, and
somehow that was never communicated. They let him go. Gave him an antibiotic. Now those 18 people include five school children that are
being quarantined to determine whether they have Ebola symptoms. School children, all of them to my understanding, in different schools. If they
have been infected, who have they infected?
Now, Sanjay Gupta, Dr. Gupta just told us, you can`t pass this along unless you are showing, manifesting symptoms. That`s the good part.
Straight out to Dr. Amy Edwards, infectious disease specialist joining me from University Hospital -- excuse me, joining me from Cleveland. Dr.
Edwards, thank you for being with us. I have heard that we are desperately working on an antidote, a vaccine for this. What do you know?
DR. AMY EDWARDS, INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST: So there is a vaccine under production. Actually, there have been many attempts at making a
vaccine for Ebola over the years, and none of them have been successful, but there is one that is actively in trials right now. It wasn`t yet ready
for human trials, but in light of the current outbreak, the manufacturer is working to ramp up production faster and is going to start rolling it out.
I believe their goal is to roll it out before the end of the year.
GRACE: Is it, Dr. Amy Edwards, is it a vaccine?
EDWARDS: It is a vaccine, yes.
GRACE: Or is it a cure?
EDWARDS: No, it`s not a cure. There are a couple of drugs under investigation for potentially helping to treat patients with Ebola. None
of those are yet proven to be effective. So this what we`re talking about now is a vaccine to help prevent the spread of Ebola.
GRACE: Dr. Edwards, you say there is not a cure, but when you put someone with Ebola in the hospital, how do you get them well? How do you
treat them?
EDWARDS: So you give them supportive care with Ebola as with all of the hemorrhagic viruses and any virus that induces vomiting. You worry
about the intravascular volume, so the blood volume, and they can lose a lot of fluid in a very short--
GRACE: I don`t know what that means? You worry about the intravascular volume?
EDWARDS: The blood volume inside the body. You can become very dehydrated when you have the Ebola virus. So one of the mainstays of
therapy for a patient with Ebola virus is going to be IV fluids and supportive care to keep their blood pressure up and keep them hydrated.
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GRACE: Real Housewife turned real convict, Theresa Giudice and her husband busted when feds hone in on their lavish lifestyle. They`re caught
red-handed lying to feds, to get even more money. Reports the real housewife brags I`ll never do a day behind bars. And tonight, is it true
the real housewife, Theresa Giudice, throws a pre-prison party?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As Theresa and Joe Giudice await possible prison time, they`ve been putting their fancy homes up on the market and searching
for a new place for their family to live. According to Radaronline, the convicted couple threw a "stay strong in prison" party for friends and
family at a New Jersey hot spot. The reality star continues to star on the hit reality show and makes appearances at a variety of events.
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GRACE: Jen Heger, managing editor, Radaronline.com, I understand prosecutors are saying lock them up, insisting on jail time. Why?
HEGER: They believe that both prosecutors are asking that both Joe and Theresa be sentenced to the maximum terms. Joe 47 months, Theresa 27
months, because they believe that even after the couple pled guilty to the bankruptcy fraud charges, they continued in a pattern of illegal behavior.
Radaronline.com broke the story that on the Housewives reality show, Theresa gifted her daughter, the oldest daughter, with a diamond ring. In
the prosecutors` documents, they cite our story and say that Theresa failed to disclose that very valuable asset.
GRACE: Wait a minute, talk about valuable assets. Everybody, that`s video from "Real Housewives of New Jersey" from Bravo. Justin Freiman, she
was just spotted with a $3,000 -- oh, my goodness, whoa! Look at this house. A $3,000 Valentino clutch purse. All of this that you`re looking
at is our money. I`m working three jobs, and she`s spending taxpayer money? My money, my children`s money! I`m taking money out of my
children`s pocket and I`m giving it to Theresa Giudice and her husband, Joe. Why?
FREIMAN: Nancy, it seems that she`s out shopping for a home because they put all their other homes up for sale, because as we know, they are
bankrupt. But as she`s shopping, as you`re showing, she`s caught on camera with this $3,000 bag, as she`s quote, downsizing.
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GRACE: Tomorrow, D-day for real housewife of New Jersey, Theresa Giudice, and husband Joe, pleading guilty to basically stealing over $4.6
million in loans based on fraud. Hey, everybody, those of you just getting home from work and putting dinner on that table, you know that job? All
that money? Yes, she`s stealing it. Yeah, $4.6 million, plus. Jen Heger, managing editor, Radaronline.com, what happens tomorrow in court?
HEGER: Tomorrow is indeed D-day as you said, and Joe and Theresa will finally be told what their sentence is by the federal judge. Sources told
Radar that both Theresa and Joe will be making statements in court. They`re going to ask the judge for leniency. Theresa is going to, you
know, hope that the judge realizes that she`s a mother of four, she can`t be away from her children. And of course looming (ph) is the bigger
problem for Joe is that he, when he`s sentenced to prison, which sources tell us he will be going, it`s just a matter of how much time, is how soon
will he be deported after he completes the sentence. There is a concern tomorrow that Joe will be taken immediately into custody because of the
deportation issue -- and his lawyer--
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. Concern? Justin Freiman, didn`t they just throw a party, a big party at some nightclub in New Jersey
called Pure, and everybody was drinking and having a good ole time, and now they`re worried that they might have to go to jail tomorrow? Did they
think about that when they swiped $4.6 million from our viewers?
FREIMAN: Nancy, they`re throwing parties apparently, house shopping, they`re going on. She`s even still doing public appearances and pushing
people to contact her for future appearances.
GRACE: OK, you know what, tomorrow, D-day, real housewife of New Jersey in court.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Corporal Isaiah Calloway, 23, Jacksonville. Bronze Star, loved drawing cartoon and video game
characters. Dreamed of renovating and selling homes. Father Charlie, three mothers, one sister, widow Alicia. Serving the Army. Three
children. Isaiah Calloway, American hero.
Drew up next, I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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