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Nancy Grace
Realtor Murder Suspect`s Ugly History
Aired October 02, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. "I just want my wife back," desperate words of a husband whose real estate wife vanishes after
she shows a vacant home to a mystery buyer. Husband Carl goes looking, finds the front door wide open, car and purse left behind. That night, he
gets bizarre texts from his wife`s cell. And then the heart-breaking news, Beverly Carter, his wife, found dead, buried in a shallow grave.
Bombshell tonight. We go digging, and we dig up the proof! Just weeks before Beverly Carter kidnapped and murdered, police repeat (ph)
claims the alleged killer busted stalking, harassing, terrorizing not one, two, but three women, that we know of, one so afraid, she gets a protective
order against him in court.
But even that doesn`t stop the cold-blooded murderer of realtor wife Beverly Carter. And tonight, inside the mind of an alleged killer, from
stealing to motorcycle obsession, on-line dating and semi-nude Internet postings.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m so sorry this happened!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arron Lewis out of jail on supervised parole.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Charged with murder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love you, Mom!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The woman saying he was harassing her, allegedly making threats, I`m going to blank up your house and your family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we will see that justice is served.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice and husband busted, feds honing in on a lavish lifestyle, the two caught red-handed
lying to feds to get even more money, the "Real Housewife" even spotted with a brand-new $3,000 Valentino purse just before appearing in court. In
the last hours, the "Real Housewife" and hubby in court arguing she`s not the bitch from Bravo, blaming it all on creative scripts and careful
editing. But the judge doesn`t buy it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sentencing for Joe and Teresa Giudice transpiring inside the federal courthouse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) "Real Housewife" of New Jersey in court.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They pleaded guilty to...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Nevada, 27-year-old Margei Edwards`s (ph) body found dead on a popular dirt trail.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say they are investigating the death of 27-year-old Margei (ph) Edwards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the prime of her life, found dead! ATV riders discover her badly decomposed body 45 miles outside of Las Vegas.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. "I just want my wife back," desperate words of a husband whose real estate wife vanishes after she shows a vacant home to a
mystery buyer. Husband Carl goes looking, finds the front door wide open, car, purse left behind. That night, he gets bizarre texts from his wife`s
cell. Then heartbreaking news, his wife, Beverly Carter`s, body found in a shallow grave.
In the last hours, we go digging, and we dig up the proof. Just before Beverly Carter kidnapped and murdered, repeat (ph) police reports
this alleged killer busted stalking, harassing, terrorizing not one, not two, but three different women, that we know of -- even a fourth was
alluded to -- one of the ladies so afraid, she gets a protective order against this guy in court.
But even that doesn`t stop the cold-blooded murder of the realtor wife Beverly Carter. And tonight, inside the mind of an alleged killer, from
stealing, even making a DVD about -- a video about how to steal things from stores, to his motorcycle obsession, on-line dating and semi-nude Internet
postings.
Straight out to Pat Lalama, investigative reporter. You know, Pat, I kept saying something`s wrong with this. Something`s not right. This guy
has such a history, a criminal history -- that`s what I mean by that -- I couldn`t understand, why is he out walking free? Then we start digging.
PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes.
GRACE: And I`m sorry to say that we have dug up three, and a fourth woman is alluded to in these court documents, where he is -- one of them...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Yes, one of them, Pat, he gives somebody a ride home, a lady a ride home.
LALAMA: Right.
GRACE: He -- there are so many, I`m getting them confused. He tries to have sex with her. She rebuffs him.
LALAMA: Right.
GRACE: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, text, text, text, text, text. She tries to stop him. She calls police. She blocks him. Then he gets
some kind of an app, where you can...
LALAMA: Exactly.
GRACE: ... get around being blocked. Then when she still won`t have sex with him, he gets pictures of her boyfriend and posts them on all the
phone -- the trees and the -- all over town, a picture of the boyfriend, and says he`s a sex predator!
LALAMA: Exactly.
GRACE: Hello?
LALAMA: Right. Yes. You know what`s interesting, Nancy, is it appears -- because I have all these incident reports right here. I`ve
counted seven or eight of them. But it`s really interesting when you look at the window of time we`re talking about, between May and September of
2014, as if his anger and his rage toward women was escalating, getting hotter and meaner. He was a ticking timebomb.
Now, we know he had an 11-year history of crimes throughout six states, but they didn`t appear that they were particularly violent or
threatening or harassing. He was a thief, essentially. But now he`s getting angry, and then, of course, we know what the final result of that
was.
GRACE: You know, Michael Christian, let`s talk about his long string of all of these women. They`re not just coming forward now. They came
forward back then. And where we found these documents and these earlier police reports was in one city over, Sherwood, the city right beside Little
Rock, in the neighboring county.
And Michael Christian, you`ve got the one woman he gives a ride to, all right? Then he tries to have sex with her. She rebuffs him. He tries
and tries to call her so many time, she finally blocks him. She blocks him on Facebook. He gets some kind of an app to get around that, continues
stalking her. Then he gets pictures, pictures of her boyfriend, and puts up flyers on telephone poles and trees, naming him as a sex predator. All
right, there`s that one.
Then there -- tell me about his ex-wife, how she had to take out a protective order in court against him, and some judge dismissed it because
it wasn`t filed the right date. Go ahead, Michael.
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): That`s right, Nancy. This was in February of 2013, last year. She filed a
protective order or a request for a protective order because she believed he was about to be released from prison on parole. She said in the
protective order that he had harassed her repeatedly.
She said that he had tried to go into the hospital. He had injured himself while he was behind bars so he could go into the hospital where she
worked. And he tried to leave notes for her in the toilet, even, so the co-workers would find them and pass them on to her, but the deputy there by
his bed wouldn`t see them. At any rate, her -- request for protection...
GRACE: OK, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait! Michael Christian, hold on. It`s almost so much as, like, you know, trying to
drink out of a fire hydrant. So this is the guy that`s behind bars right now, the chief suspect in the kidnap and murder of this beautiful realtor
wife, a mother of three sons, her husband out on the streets trying to find her.
This guy -- his wife works at a hospital, his then wife, and he`s behind bars for stealing something. And he hurts himself to go to the
hospital. Then he gets there and starts writing notes to her and leaves them in the bathroom, in the commode, hoping somebody will see them and
give them to the wife. He`s just stalking her, stalking her, stalking her.
But Michael, what about the part where he pushes her out of the car and says, "I hope you get raped," and leaves her, and drives off and leaves
her in an unfamiliar neighborhood?
CHRISTIAN: That`s right, Nancy. She puts in her supporting petition for this protective order that, "He has threatened to physically harm me in
the past," and she refers to October of 2010. "He threw me out of my vehicle at 2:00 AM in an unfamiliar neighborhood without cell phone or
purse and left me, stating, I hope you get raped."
GRACE: OK, this -- this is just -- unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Robert Schalk, defense attorney out of New York. Also with me, Mike
Gottlieb out of Ft. Lauderdale.
All right, "I hope you get raped," he says to his wife, Gottlieb, pushes her out of the car in an unfamiliar neighborhood at night and leaves
her, then goes through all this stalking. I think it`s four times he hurts himself behind bars to go to the hospital. And they actually put him on
her floor. Finally, she gets him moved to another floor. Then he starts leaving obsessive notes to her in the commode, hoping somebody will see
them and give them to her.
We`ve got three women -- one of them alludes to a fourth woman in the court documents, that he said if it she didn`t marry him, he`d kill her.
Why is he walking around free? Why did he collide with Beverly Carter? He should have been behind bars, Gottlieb!
MIKE GOTTLIEB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Clearly, Nancy, he`s a victim of a broken system. Here`s an individual who has a major mental health
disorder...
GRACE: Did you just say he`s a victim?
GOTTLIEB: ... probably a myriad of problems -- he`s a victim of a broken system.
GRACE: Did you say that?
GOTTLIEB: That`s what I said. Our system`s not working. You`re asking why he`s not incarcerated.
GRACE: You don`t see that Beverly Carter is the victim?
GOTTLIEB: Maybe he should be...
(CROSSTALK)
GOTTLIEB: That`s not what I`m saying. You asked why he`s walking around. He`s walking around because our criminal justice system doesn`t
work. Our criminal justice system should take individuals like him with major mental health disorders. If you`re not going to lock him up, then
treat him. And the system wasn`t treating him.
GRACE: OK, Gottlieb...
GOTTLIEB: He escaped from parole, probation numerous times.
GRACE: OK, he didn`t escape any time, all right?
GOTTLIEB: He`s escaped from...
GRACE: But Robert Schalk...
GOTTLIEB: He`s escaped from hospitals. He walked out of...
GRACE: No.
GOTTLIEB: ... treatment.
GRACE: The sheriff cleared that up for me. He didn`t escape. They didn`t have an arrest warrant for him. He got out of his CAT scan the last
time he had a single car accident, in other words, crashed all on his own. He left the CAT scan tube and walked out when he found out cops were
outside.
But Robert Schalk, how can you two say he`s the victim? You`re not hearing what I`m telling you about this string of women he terrorized?
ROBERT SCHALK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the use of the term "victim" may be wrong, but he`s right, the system is broken. This individual has a
history of issues. I mean, he has...
GRACE: He doesn`t have a single mental illness!
SCHALK: We don`t know that.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHALK: Do we have an evaluation from any hospital saying he doesn`t? Because if we do, I`d like to see it.
GRACE: All right. Hold on. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers" -- he was in and out of the hospital while he was in
jail. He was never diagnosed with an illness.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Yes.
GRACE: He kept faking injuries so he could get to his wife, so he could stalk her!
MARSHALL: Nancy, I definitely agree with you. I would not think about this in terms of mental illness. I would think stalker meets anger
management meets narcissistic personality disorder meets -- you know, just a petri dish full of psychopathology.
I think what happens is he finds a beautiful woman, he gets obsessed, he imagines there`s a special relationship, and then he punishes her for
having, in his mind, rejected him.
GRACE: But you know, you`re saying a relationship. He just gave a lady, a neighbor a ride home and tried to have sex with her. And when she
rebuffs him, he starts barraging her with Facebook and takes -- and that`s not all. Bethany, I want to you hear this.
Kyle Peltz is one of the people that have been digging, digging, digging to find out why this guy was not behind bars, why he was free to
target Beverly Carter. Kyle Peltz, what have you learned?
KYLE PELTZ, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Oh, yes, Nancy, it turns out that Arron Lewis had a pretty active on-line life, from Facebook
to dating sites like PlentyOfFish and OKCupid to YouTube.
But I want to mention some interesting posts on this guy`s Facebook page that we found, Nancy. Last year, he posted photos of a sex toy,
saying, "Found an old black" -- let`s just say sex toy -- "in the wall of my house when we were tearing out the old drywall that kept it hidden for
real." And then about a month later posted about this again, saying, "Found the missing harness to the strap-on. Laughing my butt off. The
people that lived there before me must have had some interesting sex."
And then after that, he posted a photo of a dead bird, said, "Spotted a dead bird on the floor, had to post a pic." He even shared a picture of
the character Stewy from "Family Guy" with a message saying, "I`m running around Facebook killing all the stupid people. Please share me so I can
get them off."
GRACE: Wa-wait! Wa-wait! Put that back, Liz. He posts a picture, first of all, of a bunch of sex toys he claims he finds. Then he posts a
picture of a dead bird on -- OK, there you go. And then he has this weird obsession with motorcycles and even makes a homemade video telling people
how to steal from Walmart, for instance?
Here`s the video. Tell me about this video, Kyle.
PELTZ: This is a video he posted on his Facebook page. It`s him on a motorcycle doing what he calls a stunt. You see him right there. And he
seems to love motorcycles. There`s lots of bike photos on all of his social media accounts, including many with various women on them.
GRACE: OK, there you see -- OK, what we`re finding out about this guy, from obsession with motorcycles to stalking at least three women, that
we know of. Why wasn`t he behind bars? Why did Beverly Carter have to collide with him? All she`s thinking about is selling a house, that`s her
job, and picking up dinner to take home.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) Beverly Carter?
LEWIS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You did not?
LEWIS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say?
LEWIS: I had a co-defendant. I haven`t seen her for two days. Now they`re showing pictures of this. I haven`t seen her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can you explain what happened?
LEWIS: I had a co-defendant (DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who`s he?
LEWIS: He`s Air Force, at the military base.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what`s your relationship with (DELETED)?
LEWIS: They want pics. He`s got texts back and forth, me and him, and then they wanted my phone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why Beverly? Why Beverly?
LEWIS: She`s a rich broker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have anything to say to the family?
LEWIS: Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What else do you want to say to the family?
LEWIS: Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why Beverly?
LEWIS: Because she was this woman who worked alone, a rich broker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill her?
LEWIS: No.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she told him that she`d bring dinner home, and she never made it home!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The case of Arron Lewis, the latest Arkansas parolee to be charged with murder while out on state supervision.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beverly Carter`s body was discovered in a shallow grave.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lewis has felonies outside of Arkansas, in Utah and Kansas City.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You never think somebody`s going to take your mom!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We go digging, and we dig up the evidence that shows this man, Arron Lewis, before he is arrested for kidnapping and murdering Beverly
Carter, was the subject of a string of police reports, where he was terrorizing other women.
We are taking your calls. I am hearing in my ear that Beverly`s body has been delivered to the funeral home. Elizabeth Isaacson, funeral
director and embalmer, joining me out of Princeton. Elizabeth, we think we can confirm the cause of death, but we`re not certain. When you are faced
with this type of a tragedy, how can you possibly -- I mean, tomorrow night is the visitation. How can you possibly restore this woman`s body to its
natural -- its beauty? For that to happen, how do you do it?
ELIZABETH ISAACSON, FUNERAL DIRECTOR, EMBALMER (via telephone): Well, Nancy, the initial thing that you`re going to do is, of course, embalming
the body to the best of your ability, disinfecting the body and preserving it so that it can be viewed.
And then the biggest part of it is going to be all of the restoration involved. From the sound of what potentially happens to her and what
happened to her body after she passed, it`s going to take a lot of restorative work to make her look the way that she once looked, and it`s
probably not going to be spot-on.
It`s definitely going to be something where maybe just the family is going to take a look at her. There could be a closed casket for everyone
else, but her close family members, husband and children maybe will get to view her. It just depends what extent she is disfigured from everything
that she went through.
GRACE: With me, Elizabeth Isaacson, funeral director joining me out of Princeton. You know, when I think about this string of events, this guy
with a huge rap sheet, now I know, based on all these police reports, that he targeted and terrorized one woman after the next, culminating in his
arrest for her murder. Why? Why was he walking free?
Elizabeth, there`s also the issue of the autopsy. We understand Beverly`s body has left the morgue where she was autopsied and has made its
way to the funeral home in preparation for a visitation tomorrow night. How do you -- as a funeral director, how do you get around the massive
injuries to the body for an autopsy?
ISAACSON: Well, it`s challenging just to embalm someone who has been autopsied and it is just a regular case. But this, where she has obviously
gone through a lot of trauma, is going to be even more difficult.
And when someone is autopsied, you know, you`re receiving them, and you know, it`s just like on TV. There`s that big Y incision and there are
other incisions throughout the body for the people who solve the crimes to do their work. And you know, you have to kind of account for all of that.
You have to try to take care of all of that.
You`ve got to sew everything up. You`ve got to put everything back together as best as you possibly can. And it`s pretty challenging with an
autopsy, and especially for -- with what Beverly went through, it`s going to be very challenging.
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GRACE: Now we learn about a string of terrorizing attempts, stalkings on other women leading up to the alleged kidnap and murder of realtor wife
Beverly Carter.
Joining me right now, Sommer Salgaonkar, close friend of Beverly`s, and Jane Carfagno (ph), likely the last person to have communicated with
Beverly. Sommer and Jane, thank you for being with us.
Sommer, I want to hear your response to what we are learning, that her alleged attacker had a string of incidents terrorizing other women. I
haven`t even gotten to the other neighbor, allegedly showing up in the middle of the night, ringing her doorbell, trying to get her to come to the
door. He`s caught on security camera, but the police say they can`t really identify him, a series of texts and phone calls threatening to "F" up her
home and family.
I mean, it goes on and on and on, Sommer!
SOMMER SALGAONKAR, FRIEND AND CO-WORKER: Yes. It`s -- it`s tough. There`s definitely needs to be some changes made for repeat offenders. No
matter what the crime is, how big or small, there`s got to be stricter laws put in place for repeat offenders.
GRACE: What would be justice for you in this case? I understand the family wants the death penalty. Arkansas is influx. They don`t have a
mode of death penalty, although it`s still constitutional there. What is justice for you?
SALGAONKAR: Nothing`s going to bring her back. But I have full faith in God and our judicial system and I just have to believe in that, and
that`s the only thing that is getting us all through this right now.
GRACE: Sommer, what is your most vivid memory of Beverly?
SALGAONKAR: Wow, there are so many. We did life together. We didn`t just work together. We did everything together, not just me, but our whole
group up there. We traveled together, we went to the lake together. We went on cruises together. We had fun together. Probably my most vivid
memory of her was her 50th birthday party.
That night she was absolutely glowing. She was radiant. The theme of the party was 49 Forever, and she loved glitz and glamour and she wanted it
big and fabulous, just bigger than life, and her smile that night. She was just glowing. And she laughed all night and just watching her with her
boys and her grandkids she loved life.
GRACE: With me, Sommer Salgaonkar --
SALGAONKAR: And you could see it that night.
GRACE: -- and Jane Carfagno.
Jane, what`s interesting in your story is you may very well be the last one to have communicated with Beverly. What happened?
JANE CARFAGNO, CO-WORKER OF MURDERED REALTOR, BEVERLY CARTER: Well, I was showing -- excuse me, that was all kind of hard to hear. I was showing
Beverly`s listing and it was in a remote area about 20 minutes out of the city, and I accidentally got locked out, and so since it was so remote, I
was a little scared and people I was showing the house to had already gone.
And so I called her and she didn`t answer and so I called her right back thinking that she might answer, knowing if I called back twice I
really need her. So she texted me back and said, with a client, call you back in a bit. And so I texted her back and I said -- I don`t know exactly
the words I used but I told her where I was, I was at her listing on Haynie Road, and that I was locked out and was there any chance she was in the
area.
And she texted back and said, in Lonoke. And then I texted her back and said, by chance there a key and she said no, sorry.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: We are live and breaking news. "Real Housewife of New Jersey," Teresa Giudice and husband Joe go to jail.
That has just come down in a federal courtroom, everyone. The judge, Esther Salas, going off on the Giudices after she discovers they lied some
more, actually lying in their bankruptcy petitions about buying brand new cars. And speaking of cars, they pull up today in a $64,000 Benz to the
courthouse.
All right, straight out to Kim Serafin, senior editor at "In Touch Weekly." Jail time, Joe gets 41 months, that`s three and a half years. He
owes a ton of money, about $415,000 restitution, and the bankruptcy judge slams him, saying they still owe $13 million because they lied on their
bankruptcy forms. It never ends.
KIM SERAFIN, SENIOR EDITOR, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: Yes, and you mentioned that the judge went after them this morning in court, basically showing she
was not going to show any leniency saying that it was the same pattern that they showed in the bankruptcy fraud charge that they didn`t show the assets
in the -- in these forms that they filed. So yes, Joe got 41 months. He has to pay $414,000 in restitution. Also undergo alcohol training, alcohol
awareness training in prison.
GRACE: Right, well, in court --
SERAFIN: So the judge was not lenient on him.
GRACE: Kim Serafin, with "In Touch Weekly," in court, Joe Guidice`s lawyer tells the judge, you know, give him a break, don`t make him go to
jail. He shows up to my office smelling of booze, he needs help, not jail. That`s what the defense lawyer argued.
SERAFIN: Yes. Exactly so hence the alcohol issue that`s coming into play as well, but yes, I think you knew from what this judge was saying
right out the bat that she was not going to be lenient on them, that because they were showing this pattern. Of course, they did plead guilty
back in March to the bankruptcy fraud and then also the mail and wire fraud charges so you knew that this was coming down.
GRACE: Yes.
SERAFIN: And of course they have been going back and forth and of course arguing that Teresa maybe should get a lesser sentence.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing video of "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" from Bravo. In the last hours, Joe Giudice sentenced to 3 1/2
years in the federal pen. Also his wife, "The Real Housewife of New Jersey," Teresa Giudice, arguing, "I`m not the bitch from Bravo. That is
all scripts and clever editing to make me out to be that person. I`m actually nice," breaking down in court reading a very, very long letter to
the judge.
Justin Freiman, they must have wanted to do a hail Mary pass there at the end, suspecting they were going to get jail time but hoping for the
best, and therefore this scene in the courtroom, the judge kept having to take breaks all day long.
This sentencing was supposed to happen at 10:00 a.m. Bottom line at nearly 5:00, Teresa Giudice sentenced.
Justin Freiman, what was the tearful letter in court?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, she addressed the judge and she told the judge, "I`m more sorry than anyone will ever know."
She also said her four daughters are her life and that she doesn`t care about the TV show.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: In the last hour, Teresa Giudice, "The Real Housewife of New Jersey" and husband Joe ordered go to jail.
With me right now, Vicki Hyman, entertainment reporter with "The Star Ledger." Straight out of the courtroom.
Vicki, what is the "Real Housewife`s" sentence?
VICKI HYMAN, ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER, THE STAR-LEDGER: Teresa got 15 months in prison and two years probation and the $8,000 fine.
GRACE: An $8,000 fine. Now is it true that they`re going to get to serve their sentences separately so someone will be with the children?
HYMAN: That`s what the judge indicated. She felt that if Teresa was going to get prison time that it would be in the best interests of the
girls that she could be -- that her husband could be at home first while she serves her time and then Joe will go to prison afterwards because of
course he faces deportation after his sentence is over.
GRACE: I mean, the judge furious, goes off, as she should have, because then it comes out the two of them lied on their presentence report
about buying new cars.
HYMAN: It`s kind of amazing, because she went -- the bankruptcy fraud is all about how she hid income and assets and then there`s this federal
sentencing report that they have to fill out listing their income and assets and they left off income and assets.
GRACE: Also with us, everyone, Alex McCord, former "Real Housewife," host of "The Real Deal" on thestir.com.
Alex McCord, are you surprised Giudice breaks down in court reading a tearful letter to the judge?
ALEX MCCORD, FORMER "REAL HOUSEWIFE": No, I`m not surprised at all. I`m sure that she is sorry. She`s sorry she was caught, she`s sorry she`s
sorry she`s being sentenced. You know, what I`m thinking about right now honestly is I`m wondering where the Bravo cameras are. I`m betting they`re
waiting for them at home. They`re in every other cast members` house, waiting to capture the reaction to this today.
GRACE: Well, let me ask you this. We know that she had -- we`ve been told anyway that she had a hair and makeup crew ready for this moment,
which makes it very difficult for me to believe her ascertation (ph) in court that she doesn`t care about the show. She only cares about her
children.
OK. Be that as it may, I mean, really, are you that greedy that you steal millions, over $4 million from the taxpayers, and then lie on your
court documents, after you`re busted? This is on a pre-sentence report. They lie about luxury cars.
I mean, Alex, help me understand this.
MCCORD: You know, I`m having trouble understanding it myself. The thing is that a lot of the crimes that they`ve been sentenced for today
occurred prior to them being on the show, and I think that they probably got caught faster because they were on the show, and people saw this
ostentatious lifestyle, but, you know, it happened. They did it. They`ve been sentenced and they`ve got to serve their time.
I think -- with the hair and makeup thing, maybe she`s trying to ensure that she has a job when she gets out.
GRACE: Vicki Hyman, entertainment reporter, "Star Ledger," what was it like in court?
HYMAN: Well, Joe and Teresa were pretty stoic throughout. They really didn`t -- they didn`t really hold hands very much. Joe did break
down in tears at one point when his lawyer was trying to convince the judge to give him a break because his father Frank died a few years ago and
apparently Joe has been devastated about it, so devastated that he apparently has difficulty filling out these federal sentencing forms.
Teresa broke down when she was talking to the judge but other than that, it was -- they were pretty -- they were pretty stoic.
GRACE: Right now, everyone, CNN Heroes.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: I`m Anderson Cooper. All year we`ve been introducing you to everyday people who are changing the world. We
call them CNN Heroes. Well, now we announce the Top Ten CNN Heroes for 2014.
In random order the honorees are John Burns, who`s mobilizing fellow soccer fans to make a difference in cities hosting the World Cup. Dr.
Wendy Ross, helps autistic children and their families navigate challenging public setting. Juan Pablo Romero Fuentes who turned his family`s home
into a refuge for children in his violent country. Ned Norton provides strength and conditioning training to people living with disabilities.
Patricia Kelly, she uses horses to keep at-risk youth on the right path. Leela Hazzah is transforming Maasai culture in Kenya, which is
helping turn so-called lion killers into lion protectors. Arthur Bloom helps wounded troops at Walter Reed Medical Center tap into the healing
power of music. Pen Farthing reunites soldiers with the stray animals they befriended while serving in Afghanistan.
Annette March-Greer grew up in her family`s funeral home. Now she helps children in Baltimore cope with grief. And Rabbi Elimelech Goldberg
lost his daughter to leukemia. Today he helps kids cope with the pain and fear of their cancer treatments.
Congratulations to the Top Ten CNN Heroes of 2014.
Tell us who inspires you the most. Go to CNNHeroes.com to vote once a day every day for the CNN Hero of the Year.
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GRACE: And now live to Nevada. 27-year-old Margay Edwards found dead on a popular dirt trail.
Straight out to Selwynn Harris, joining me from "Pahrump Valley Times."
Thanks for being with us. How was Margay`s body found?
SELWYNN HARRIS, REPORTER, PAHRUMP VALLEY TIMES: Well, thanks, Nancy. Well, first of all, it was found in the desert, in a remote part of our
small town. Not far from an elementary school. It was about a quarter mile up the roadway, and it was discovered by two men driving ATVs out in
the desert, which is very common out here.
GRACE: With me is Sheriff Tony De Meo with the county sheriff`s office.
Sheriff, thank you so much for being with us. I`m trying to figure out why her body was there. She was not a dirt bike fan. How did she end
up there and do we know cause of death yet, Sheriff?
SHERIFF TONY DE MEO, NYE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, first of all, thank you for having me on your show.
GRACE: Yes, sir.
DE MEO: Well, that`s under investigation right now. Why she was there. That`s part of our investigation. Of course we owe the answers to
the family and we`re conducting an aggressive investigation to find out what transpired, which led to the death of Margay Edwards.
GRACE: With me right now, Margay`s father, Jeff Edwards, joining me.
Mr. Edwards, thank you for being with us. When did you learn that Margay`s body had been found? This just seems so inconsistent with her
life.
JEFF EDWARDS, FATHER OF WOMAN FOUND DEAD IN DESERT: I received a call on the afternoon of September 25th, a week ago today, from a detective
McGill who`s the lead investigator. He asked me a few probing questions and then indicated that a body had been found with a driver`s license,
California driver`s license indicating her name.
GRACE: The mystery of a beautiful young girl found dead on a popular dirt trail.
With me, her father, Jeff Edwards. What kind of person was Margay?
EDWARDS: Margay was a very warm, caring young lady. She was extremely outgoing. And could strike -- could strike up a conversation
with just about anybody. She loved her mother, and she loved her little brother. And she was just very outgoing and friendly.
GRACE: To Dr. Joye M. Carter, I don`t understand why it took four days to I.D. her body. We`re looking for a blue Hyundai Accent plate
7ESZ966.
Dr. Carter, why four days?
JOYE M. CARTER, CHIEF FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST, MARION COUNTY: Well, it depends on the condition of the young lady`s body. They`re going to try to
get fingerprints. The tissue may be dried out. They have to rehydrate it. They also may try to do dental record comparisons, so they would need to
gather any recent dental records, and then also examine the remains or the condition of the teeth. And you can, by even the virtue of one filling,
make a verification. And of course the longer route would be to do the DNA. So four days is actually fairly good to obtain all that information.
GRACE: We`re talking about a gorgeous 27-year-old woman Margay Edwards.
Everyone, the tipline, 775-751-7000. Her father joining us tonight asking for your help. And the car, a blue 2014 Hyundai Accent, rental.
California plates 7ESZ966.
Everyone, let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Corporal Fernando Robinson, Hawthorne, California. National Defense Service Medal,
Army Service Ribbon. Loved fast cars and restoring them with his brother. Parents Ricardo and Elizabeth, two brothers, sister Christina. Fiance and
high school sweetheart Maria.
Fernando Robinson, American hero.
Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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