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Nancy Grace
The Stephen Collins Tape; TV Star Target of Child Molestation Probe; Wife Shoots California Mayor Dead; Desperate Search for Kiki Louder
Aired October 08, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. The wildly popular TV star of "Devious Maids," "The Office," "7th Heaven," "Law and Order," "The
Fosters," at this hour, the target of a child sex molestation probe.
Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, the star`s lawyer fights back, claiming his estranged wife is using the tape to extort money. What`s more
important is what the lawyer doesn`t say -- My client does not molest little girls!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The "7th Heaven" dad is accused of child molestation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... is the target of an ongoing child molestation investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocking allegations.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His estranged wife says Collins admitted to molesting three underage girls.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, California suburbs, a local town mayor pronounced dead after being shot multiple times by his wife. Tonight, that wife, Lavette
Crespo (ph), walks free. As we go to air, we obtain the chilling 911 call.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 45-year-old mayor, Daniel Crespo (ph), who was shot dead in his home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) shots fired!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... 19-year-old son tried to break it up. But Crespo shot her husband three times to stop the altercation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And Utah, a major search under way for a missing 30-year-old woman who vanishes from her upscale condo without shoes, money or phone.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with me.
Bombshell tonight. The wildly popular star of "Devious Maids," "The Office," "7th Heaven," "Law and Order," "The Fosters" at this hour the
target of a child sex molestation probe. As we go to air, the star`s lawyer fights back, claiming his client`s estranged wife is using the tape
to extort money. But what`s more important is what his lawyer doesn`t say. For instance, My client did not molest little girls?
Straight out to Sara Sidner, CNN correspondent joining us from LA. Sara, I was very surprised that Stephen Collins`s lawyer gave a statement about
this tape, this tape that apparently divulges multiple little girls that he has molested, and when he does address the tape, instead of saying, This
isn`t true, my client didn`t do this, he would never touch a little girl, instead he simply says his estranged wife is basically bleeding him dry,
that she`s extorting him for millions of dollars. That`s what this is all about. He never once said, That`s not my client on the tape, he would
never do that.
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that`s true. And we`ve reached out to Stephen Collins. We have reached out to his representatives, as well
his attorney. That was the attorney Mark Vincent Caplan (ph), who gave the statement.
And I want to read it to you so you can hear exactly what it is he told TMZ. Basically, in that statement, he said, Look, over the course of his
representation of Stephen in the divorce case, Faye -- and that`s, of course, his estranged wife -- has repeatedly threatened to give this
audiotape to the media unless Stephen agreed to pay her millions of dollars more than that to which she was legally entitled.
And then he goes on to say because here`s where he addresses the allegations and addresses the videotape. He says, "Though we would like to
address the tape itself, the circumstances dictate that we must regrettably refrain from doing so at this time." You do know that the two are in a
contentious divorce. But he does never come out and says that, We are saying this did not happen, that this tape is not authenticated. We don`t
have any of that from him or his lawyer.
GRACE: Right. What -- the point I was originally making -- he does make a comment. He does comment on the tape, the lawyer does, by saying, yes,
she`s been threatening to release this for a long time. She`s extorting money. So he does address the tape, but he never says, That`s not my
client on the tape, my client would never touch a little girl.
Everybody, what you are just seeing is video of "7th Heaven" from CBS TV Distribution. That`s Stephen Collins. And I haven`t met a single person
that doesn`t like Stephen Collins. He has been the star of "7th Heaven" -- that lasted almost 10 years or more -- "The Fosters," "The Office." Who
doesn`t love "The Office"? It goes on and on. And he always plays father roles, even a preacher, a pastor in one role.
I want you to hear a portion of the tape that we keep talking about. Now, remember, he is in a contentious divorce right now with his estranged wife.
Apparently, the circumstances surrounding this tape are he is at a therapy session with her before the divorce. They`re trying to, I guess, work
through their problems, and this is what she extracts from him. Take a listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many times with (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you said that there was another girl. How many girls altogether?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said that there was...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) There was (DELETED) sister, who was (DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) 10. (INAUDIBLE) (DELETED) 10 -- 10, 11, 12, around -- some (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. There were -- I think -- yes, there were, like, three incidents over about three years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So -- and then there was the girl across the way at (DELETED), and then this (DELETED) So it`s just three? You`re sure?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of that audiotape -- it was obtained by TMZ -- or identified the voices or confirmed if the tape had
been edited or doctored in some way.
To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You know, Marc, last night, I was being very tentative concerned about the
authenticity of the tape because you know, Marc, the tape, oral or -- audio or video, you`ve got to authenticate it, prove that`s really him before
he`s lambasted, before he loses his job, before he`s prosecuted. You`ve got to be able to prove that`s him confessing to this. And there`s more to
the tape that I have heard.
But when the lawyer came out today, Marc Klaas, and said, Hey, this tape is all about his estranged wife trying to milk money out of him, you know
what? He should probably not have said anything. That`s, like, the camel`s nose in the tent. Once the nose is in, the tail will surely
follow. If you`re going to address the tape on behalf of your client, for Pete`s sakes, scream to the rooftops, That`s not my client, he didn`t do
that, he would never molest a little girl. Instead, he goes, Oh, it`s the wife. She`s using this against him to get money.
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: You know, even beyond that, Nancy, there are firms in Hollywood that specialize in damage control. If he knew
this was coming -- and apparently he did because they say that she`s been shopping this around for a long time -- he should have tried to get out in
front of it some way to either deny that that was him on the tape or come up with some other explanation.
Instead, it looks like he just girded up and waited for these revelations to come out, and then his lawyer has handled it incredibly badly. This
looks terrible for Mr. Collins, and I...
GRACE: I mean, Marc, what you expect -- everybody, you`re seeing video from "Law & Order SVU" from NBC Universal TV. There you see Stephen
Collins once again starring on TV, usually in a father figure setting, sometimes even a pastor.
But you know, Caryn Stark, psychologist, what is missing here is that the lawyer makes a statement and addresses the tape, all right, but he never
says, My client would never molest a little girl, this is ridiculous, I demand justice. Instead, they attack the wife. You know, I don`t know.
Maybe she is trying to get money. I don`t know anything about that. I do know she says she didn`t leak this tape. I know that.
But I`m more concerned -- I`m not concerned about their millions of dollars and who`s going to get the Lamborghini and who`s going to get the Porsche
and who`s going to get this house and who`s going to get that condo. I`m concerned about child molestation, Caryn Stark..
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, that is all that counts here. It doesn`t matter whether this is media control (ph), whether she`s doing the
wrong thing as a wronged wife. It doesn`t matter that he was maligned in some way. All that matters is whether this, in fact, is him. And if this
is him, that`s despicable and he has a major problem.
GRACE: You know, it`s -- it -- unleash the lawyers, Parag Shah, Jason Oshins. Jason, all three of us have tried a lot of cases, more than we can
count between the three of us. And here`s the concern. If you`re going to come out as a lawyer and defend your client in a case like this, you know
what? Say it`s not your client, deny it, scream, throw a fit. But to just attack the wife for releasing it -- that`s all you got for me?
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Nancy, he`s obviously been involved in this divorce case for a very long time, and maybe doesn`t have the skill
set...
GRACE: Don`t care.
OSHINS: Say that again, Nancy?
GRACE: Don`t care about the divorce case.
OSHINS: Yes, I understand but...
GRACE: I don`t care about the money.
OSHINS: Well, money certainly at the root of any divorce case really fuels everything, unfortunately. But the reality is, is that if he had nothing
to say about the criminal case, he should have said nothing, as you said, about any of it.
GRACE: Another thing, Chloe Melas, senior reporter, Hollywoodlife.com, it seems to me that people are handling Stephen Collins with kid gloves.
Nobody wants to play the tape in its entirety. Everybody is concerned. You know, even his own lawyer won`t say, This is not my client.
CHLOE MELAS, HOLLYWOODLIFE.COM: Even I`m concerned, as I write these articles for Hollywoodlife.com. It`s because you`re dealing with an
alleged molestation of children. You have to be really careful. It`s not necessarily just like a big Hollywood divorce scandal. There are many
layers, and the fallout has been unimaginable, Nancy. I mean, just the fact that he has resigned from the Screen Actors Guild, the fact that he`s
already been fired from his movie, "Ted 2," by Seth McFarland (ph), people are taking this very seriously in Hollywood, and they`re not handling him
with kid gloves there.
GRACE: Well, I appreciate that Hollywood -- that he has resigned from SAG, Screen Actors Guild. But you know, in the world that I live in, the rest
of the world outside of Hollywood, I think more people are concerned about, are these allegations true that he`s been molesting little children, as
opposed to him resigning from the Screen Actors Guild.
Everybody, you`re seeing video now from "The Office" from NBC TV Distribution. That`s Stephen Collins.
The bottom line is, is the tape real? If it is, he has confessed to molesting little girls, forcing their hands on his penis. The New York --
NYPD says that a woman came to them claiming he molested her at a tender age in a Greenwich Village apartment. It goes on and on.
The tape we`re talking about -- here`s a portion of it.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many times with (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you said that there was another girl. How many girls altogether?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said that there was...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) There was (DELETED) sister, who was (DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) 10. (INAUDIBLE) (DELETED) 10 -- 10, 11, 12, around -- some (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. There were -- I think -- yes, there were, like, three incidents over about three years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So -- and then there was the girl across the way at (DELETED), and then this (DELETED) So it`s just three? You`re sure?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the tape. It was obtained by TMZ. CNN has not identified the voices or confirmed that the
tape has been edited in some way.
For those of you just joining us, TV star of "The Office," "The Fosters," "7th Heaven" allegedly caught on tape admitting to pedophilia and multiple
little girl victims. What`s next?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really hard shooting nine months here on "7th Heaven" (INAUDIBLE) lot of time (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Collins is the target of an ongoing child molestation investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shocking allegations surrounding actor Stephen Collins lead to his firing from the movie "Ted 2."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In one case, a woman went to police and said Collins sexually assaulted her when she was 14.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the investigation (INAUDIBLE) after TMZ released an audiotape where it says Collins made incriminating statements.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s, like, it`s out there somewhere, and I can`t get to it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You know, even now, looking at him, looking at the TV star Stephen Collins, it`s hard to reconcile what I heard on the tape. And I`ve
listened to the entire tape. Me, I, our show, is not allowed to play you the whole thing. But what I know -- what we have played for you, there are
at least three little girl child sex victims by his own admission.
Now, I will state -- and let me unleash the lawyers on this, Parag Shah, Jason Oshins -- she was extracting information from him. He thinks he`s in
counseling to work on their relationship, and she`s apparently making him come clean on everything in order to move forward. And he`s not
volunteering anything at all. I`m sure he does not know he`s being taped at all, Parag Shah.
And I noticed at one point she says, Well, did you date her, talking about one of the little girls. He goes, No, no, no. And she says, Well, what
was her name? Well, what was her last name? Clearly getting evidence, gathering evidence. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth because you know
he was being tricked into saying all this. She was taping it the whole time.
But really, Parag Shah, does it matter? Does it matter she tricked him into confessing to a horrible thing? Does that real -- does that -- in the
big scheme, does that matter?
PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, here`s the thing in the big scheme. The big scheme is that each state has laws on eavesdropping and whether the
other person needs to know that they are being recorded. That`s the first thing.
The second thing, assuming this tape could even make it to trial, there`s an issue of privilege. He was talking with his therapist and it shouldn`t
even come in.
GRACE: I got the answer. Got the answer on that. And I`m digging up the exact wording for you, Parag Shah and Jason Oshins. Everybody, Parag and
Jason, veteran trial lawyers. They know their way around the courtroom. They`re not just talking heads. The same thought hit me. To both of you -
- and I`ve researched it. My whole staff researched it.
In California, where they met with the therapist, of course, there is -- there`s a host of privileges, attorney-client, therapist-patient, doctor-
patient, priest-petitioner -- parishioner -- it goes on. But she says her lawyer told her to tape this, quote, "to gather evidence to investigate a
felony." And in that jurisdiction, that takes it out of the privilege. So there`s no privilege.
And there`s no two-party consent rule governing it because in a lot of jurisdictions, both parties have to agree to be taped on a conversation or
the tape is not admitted into evidence. Some jurisdictions, one-party consent. One party can tape. The other doesn`t have to know about it.
All that doesn`t matter because of this law, if you`re investigating a felony or gathering evidence on a felony.
So I guess my broader question, Jason Oshins, is if this is authenticated and it makes it to a jury, will it leave such a bad taste in the jury`s
mouth that she tricked him into the confession that they`ll throw out the tape?
OSHINS: Well, Nancy, you raise a good point. And then also, the technical side of the rules of evidence is that even though this is admissible in one
jurisdiction based on that fact pattern, if it`s not admissible in another jurisdiction, will the court in another jurisdiction even allow that in?
GRACE: Right.
OSHINS: Will they allow it in?
GRACE: Right. For instance, this was taped in California. If the victims are in New York and he`s prosecuted in New York, can the tape come in in
New York? It`s all legal mumbo-jumbo! It`s a puzzle that has to be put together.
But what we know tonight -- everybody, I`ve gotten ahold of this declaration of Faye Grant. That is his estranged wife. She`s telling us -
- she`s telling that she did not leak this tape, although she`s the one that taped it. In here, she claims that Stephen Collins, the TV star,
refuses to be treated for pedophilia, that she learned about the sex molestation on children and has even been harassed by one of the girl
victim`s now grown husband calling her and saying, You didn`t report this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Grant says Collins admitting to molesting three underage women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Collins responded to the allegations in court documents, stating that, quote, "This is really an attempt to extort
concessions in settlement."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to TMZ, the recording was made by Collins`s estranged wife, Faye Grant. CNN was unable to confirm whether the
recording is indeed Collins`s voice or whether the recording is edited.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Stephen Collins, TV star, now accused on a secret tape of molesting at least three little girls. For those of you just joining us, take a
listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many times with (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you said that there was another girl. How many girls altogether?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said that there was...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) There was (DELETED) sister, who was (DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) 10. (INAUDIBLE) (DELETED) 10 -- 10, 11, 12, around -- some (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. There were -- I think -- yes, there were, like, three incidents over about three years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So -- and then there was the girl across the way at (DELETED), and then this (DELETED) So it`s just three? You`re sure?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of this audiotape. It was obtained by TMZ. CNN has not identified the voices or confirmed if the
tape has been edited or doctored in some way. The tape that I heard was much longer. I am not being allowed to play that for you tonight.
Everybody, you are seeing from Disney ABC TV Distribution more of Stephen Collins. That`s a clip of "Devious Maids."
Let`s take a look at what the wife is saying. It`s very detailed. I`ve got with me here the legal documents. She says -- I`ve got the legal
documents in my hands -- that she just learned about this in 2012, that he had a long-term pattern of sexually molesting children, that in front of
the therapist -- and that`s what this tape purports to be -- he admits to long-term pattern of molesting little children.
Now, in the tape, it outlines several children around age 10 or 11. She goes on to get information about them, including that one of the victims
that Stephen confessed to molesting lived in LA. The other two were in New York.
Now, New York PD tells us a young lady did come forward and claim that Collins molested her in a Greenwich Village apartment. Now, they were
young. The statute has run in New York. She says she asked her husband many times to seek treatment for pedophilia, and she is afraid of what will
happen if he does not because he works with, interacts with children when he makes movies. I mean, look at the movies and the TV series he`s in.
They all have children.
Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Parag Shah and Jason Oshins.
All right, Parag Shah, weigh in.
PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, let me start by saying what his lawyer won`t say. He is presumed innocent. This tape has not been authenticated.
We don`t know it`s him. And so he is not guilty right now.
GRACE: So you`re saying that`s not him on the tape?
SHAH: There`s no proof that that`s him. There`s absolutely been no shred of proof.
GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing "7th Heaven" from CBS TV Distribution. We`re talking about Stephen Collins pictured here.
OK, Jason Oshins, don`t you think if this was not him on the tape, that his lawyer in the statement he just gave a couple of hours ago, would have been
standing on his head screaming high heaven, this is not my client. This tape has been doctored. It`s not him. He would never molest children.
Instead he just says, it`s the wife going for money.
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, as I said before, Nancy, he might be limited to civil litigation. This is not his purview. But either way, as
Parag said, you`re innocent --
GRACE: Do you think that matters?
OSHINS: Of course it matters.
GRACE: Do you think that matters?
OSHINS: Nancy, of course it matters.
GRACE: That is a civil --
OSHINS: Nancy --
GRACE: Put him up, please. First year law school, Jason -- don`t look like that.
OSHINS: I`m sorry.
GRACE: In law -- in L-1, first year law school whether you become a criminal lawyer or not, you have to take criminal law. Typically a year of
it.
OSHINS: Right. Nancy --
GRACE: All right? You know he is an esteemed lawyer even if he is a civil lawyer, no offense. You know he should have said this is not my client.
He would never molest children. That`s not what he said.
OSHINS: If there was based on that his perception that there`s going to be an ongoing investigation, he might not want to taint the pool in any way
and just say nothing over the issue.
GRACE: Wait. Wait. Wait. Did you really just say the lawyer did not want to taint the pool? Are you serious? So we`ll come out and taint the
pool for the wife by going, she`s just, you know, bleeding him dry for money. She`s extorting him.
That`s a crime, P.S., in case you didn`t know extortion.
OSHINS: Nancy -- listen.
GRACE: So he taints -- he taints the jury pool is what you`re talking about but you`re saying he didn`t defend his own client because he didn`t
want to taint the jury pool to defend his own client?
OSHINS: Nancy, I -- I told you earlier that I wouldn`t have approached it the same way but by the same token I`m not going to indict counsel for not
saying anything about that but commenting on the civil one.
GRACE: No. This is not about counsel. Nobody is asking you to indict anybody. Last I looked, you`re not a grand jury. Number one. I`m saying
that -- OK. Maybe I`m the crazy one here.
Chloe Melas, reporter, Hollywoodlife.com, help me out here.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: The lawyer goes out of his way to give a statement but he doesn`t defend his client and say this is not him on the tape. What does that lead
me to believe?
CHLOE MELAS, SENIOR REPORTER, HOLLYWOODLIFE.COM: Exactly. I`m thinking the same thing. So every time I cover any of these explosive types of
situations in Hollywood, the clock is ticking. You better believe his publicist, his managers, his attorneys, his crisis management team, he
probably does have one and if not he better get one.
He`s trying to figure out what to say. Nobody has denied anything. That is the biggest red flag here. Now I don`t have a law degree. I didn`t
take L-1 but I can tell you that it`s definitely strange that he or no one from his camp has come out and said this is not my client. This is not
Collins. And that`s the scariest part. Instead he`s been fired from a movie he`s working on. He`s resigned from his position on the Screen
Actors Guild.
GRACE: Sara Sidner, joining us from L.A. CNN correspondent.
Sara, so the lawyer gives a statement, a public statement, but does not defend his client. He goes on the attack which is a defense of sorts.
Attacks the wife, claiming she`s trying to extort money. She insists she did not leak this tape.
So what does that leave the public to believe? What does that leave prosecutors to believe?
You know, defense lawyers always come out of the gate going, my client is innocent, or my client is insane. One of the two. We didn`t hear any of
that.
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We didn`t hear any of that. And I think that is why we are still making calls. I know your show is making calls to
try to clarify some of the information and the answers to the question that everybody now has.
Number one, was that Stephen Collins` voice on the tape? Did he confess to molesting three young girls? Is that him? Are they denying any of these
things? None of that has yet come out. What we have to be clear on, though, is that there is very -- unlikely that this tape will ever head
into court because, as you mentioned, in the New York case someone did come forward but it was something that she said happened 40 years ago. That is
far past the statute of -- statute of -- help me out here, Nancy.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Well, when she came forward --
SIDNER: The statute of limitations. So right. So --
GRACE: When she came forward, she was 26. So giving her the -- giving him the benefit, assuming she was 12 or 13.
SIDNER: Right.
GRACE: You know, over 10 years had passed at the time she came forward. In New York the statute has run. Not necessarily so in L.A.
Everybody, we`re going to play the tape that Sara Sidner is telling you about. CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the tape. It was
obtained by TMZ. CNN has not identified the voices or confirmed if the tape has been edited or doctored in some way.
I am not allowed to play you the whole thing. But I can play you this portion. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many times with --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you said that there was another girl? How many girls all together?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You said that there was --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help me out here. There was -- sister.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sister was 10, because she wrote me -- was 10. 10, 11, 12, around several years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were -- I think there -- yes, there were like three incidents over about three years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So -- and then there was the girl across the way on --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then -- so it`s just three?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re sure?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: And now live, California suburbs, a local town mayor pronounced dead after being shot multiple times by his wife. Tonight, that wife,
Levette Crespo, has walked free. As we go to air, we just obtained the chilling 911 call.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mayor Daniel Crespo.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, my neighbor has been shot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shot dead in his home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Couldn`t see none of this ever happening.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A disagreement erupted with his wife shortly before the shooting.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Jim Roope joining me from KABC.
Jim, thanks for being with us. You know, it`s my understanding the two of them were fighting about money at the time she shoots her husband dead.
But since that time, we`ve learned that he`s allegedly having an affair and that he has a mistress that may or may not be pregnant. So she`s saying
they were fighting about money and he attacked her. He attacked the son. She`s walked free.
What about their argument over money and the mistress?
JIM ROOPE, REPORTER, TALK RADIO 790 KABC: Well, this is an onion that continues to unpeel. And several levels of it. You`re right. At first we
heard it was about money. In fact William Crespo, who is Daniel Crespo`s brother, told us at first that it was -- that Tuesday was a carryover, that
argument was a carryover from the night before. They were out doing some work on one of the homes that they owned and Levette and Daniel were
arguing. He wasn`t sure if the argument was stopped.
GRACE: Right. Did you say -- did you say one of the homes they owned?
ROOPE: That`s what William Crespo said. In his words, one of the homes that they own. So they own a couple of homes. And they were doing some
work on one of them.
GRACE: You know, it always amazes me how much rich people fight about money.
Hold on. Take a listen to this, Jim Roope. The 911 call we just obtained.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to report an emergency. My parents got in an argument and there were shots fired.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your friend? The one that got shot? Where is he at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s my father. He`s in the house. OK. It wasn`t my mom`s fault.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was defending herself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So your mom shot your father, is that what you`re saying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your mom at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the floor dying. OK. He hurt me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, ma`am --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody ever knew.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Hello?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I`m here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where`s your mom at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s upstairs. She`s crying.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. That`s fine. Where`s the gun?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The gun is on the floor upstairs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please get here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s upstairs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Jason Oshins, Parag Shah.
Now refresh my recollection. I`m pretty sure that in order for you to gun somebody down dead in defense of a third person, you have to believe that
third person is about to be killed, right? So if he`s punching his son -- look, I`m not on his side, but I`m trying to figure out what happened. I
mean, did she have to shoot him dead, Jason Oshins?
OSHINS: Yes, you know, listen. If the perception at that moment is that this was the only way to fend him off, then, you know, in the interview
that the police and the detectives have made, perhaps they`re believing the story that was presented at the time, that she was acting in self-defense,
Nancy.
GRACE: But what, if anything, do we have to prove that, Parag Shah? I mean, if they are just fighting about his mistress is pregnant, he ends up
dead, how does that turn out to be self-defense?
SHAH: Well, we don`t know what kind of force he was using. And if she reasonably believed that she needed to use deadly force to defend her son
or herself, she can do it whether it`s with a gun or not.
GRACE: OK. All right.
Brett Larson, what more do you know?
BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: About this is we are learning more things as the case unfolds, as you have said right there off the top. Now
we know that these two were high school sweethearts. They`ve been married for a very long time.
The brother of the mayor here who has been shot is saying -- he initially said, my brother is a good guy. He`s not having an affair. Now he`s
saying there may have been another woman involved in this -- in this situation. And there even been reports of text messages between the wife
and the girlfriend involving, again, as you said, money.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait. Wait. Wait. It`s all about what? She`s not upset that the mistress is pregnant?
LARSON: No --
GRACE: Reportedly?
LARSON: What I have heard is --
GRACE: She`s worried about what he`s giving her money?
LARSON: I`d heard -- yes, that she had -- she was saying if you`re going to get money from us, you`re going to have another thing coming to you.
GRACE: OK. So that sheds a new light on all of this.
Everybody, we`ve just gotten the 911 call. What is the truth?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to report an emergency. My parents got in an argument and there were shots fired.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your friend? The one that got shot? Where is he at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s my father. He`s in the house. OK. It wasn`t my mom`s fault.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was defending herself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So your mom shot your father, is that what you`re saying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your mom at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the floor dying. OK. He hurt me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, ma`am --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody ever knew.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have to report an emergency. My parents got in an argument and there were shots fired.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your friend? The one that got shot? Where is he at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s my father. He`s in the house. OK. It wasn`t my mom`s fault.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was defending herself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So your mom shot your father, is that what you`re saying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where is your mom at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the floor dying. OK. He hurt me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, ma`am --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody ever knew.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK. I believe him. That is the son. He`s saying he hurt me, he hurt me. So I do believe the mayor, the California mayor, was hurting the
son.
Now let`s talk about the wife. Yes, I believe the son.
Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining me out of Philly tonight.
Dr. Manion, she shot him three times as he apparently was punching the son. Can you look at the bullet wound, entry-exit, the injuries and determine
was this self-defense or was she just over it with the mistress and the baby and the money? I mean, how do I figure out, did she shoot in defense
of her son?
I believe the son, but I don`t know if I believe her.
DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, it`s a very difficult case. And we`ll have to see what injuries the son is
demonstrating, if he does have bruises, or lacerated lip, broken nose, anything like that, that really showed he was under a severe assault. And
then we`ll look at the distance of the gunshot wounds. That`s pretty dangerous to be shooting the father while he`s beating his son.
She`s lucky she didn`t shoot her son by accident. So we`ll have to see the distance of the bullets are --
GRACE: Yes.
MANION: -- to the gunshot wounds and what injuries either she exhibits or the son exhibits to just get a better idea what the heck happened.
GRACE: It has not been confirmed there was a mistress or that the mistress was pregnant.
Well, Justin, according to what we know from the family, this was not the first violent outburst of the mayor`s.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. We`ve also got documents that actually say that as a city council member, he allegedly
made death threats to a -- the other person in the city, the actually leader, the city manager, who filed papers on it.
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GRACE: And now to Utah, and a major search for a missing 30-year-old woman, she vanishes from her upscale condo, no shoes, money or phone. Take
a look at her. She`s known as Kiki. Her name Kayelyn Louder, and with me, her sister, Madi Rodriguez.
Madi, thank you for being with us.
Madi, what are you learning from police about Kiki`s disappearance?
MADI RODRIGUEZ, SISTER OF MISSING KAYELYN LOUDER: You know what? We really haven`t got much to go off of. There is no evidence of any foul
play, but then again I just don`t understand how a person can just walk out of their condo and never be seen again.
GRACE: Jim Kirkwood, isn`t it true there were torrential rains that night? I mean, I don`t think she walked out with no shoes, no keys, no purse, no
cell phone, nothing, into the pouring rain.
JIM KIRKWOOD, NEWS SHOW HOST, KTKK: Exactly. It was a really heavy rainstorm in that period, and I remember that day, because I got wet just
going from my car to a restaurant that afternoon. It was soaking, really heavy downpour that we normally don`t get.
GRACE: Everyone, we are talking about missing Kayelyn Louder, last seen on surveillance video leaving her condo.
Back to Madi, her sister.
Madi, what has been the most frustrating thing about searching for your sister, Kiki?
RODRIGUEZ: The most frustrating thing for me is that it`s just -- it`s been 11 days now and we still have nothing to go off of.
GRACE: Would she ever have left her dog behind? Didn`t she treat her dog like a baby?
RODRIGUEZ: Yes. Absolutely not. She took that dog everywhere. She took it to my brother`s wedding, to my grandmother`s funeral. She took him in
the car. I mean, if she went to another condo, if she didn`t have him, she would be back soon.
GRACE: She clearly thought she was coming back, Marc Klaas.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: No question about that, Nancy. Nobody is going to leave everything behind in a driving rain
barefoot and not be expected to come back very soon. I think it`s very, very clear that some kind of a crime has been -- occurred here and that she
is being held against her will.
GRACE: Where is Kiki? Tipline, 801-804-4000.
Let`s remember American hero Army Specialist Rogelio Garza, Jr. 26, Corpus Christi, Texas, National Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, loved
poetry, drawing, video games, mother Martha, four sisters, widow Renee. Three children.
Rogelio Garza, Jr., American hero.
And tonight, a special good night from Deputy Shannon and Corporal Jake, from Gwyneth County Sheriffs and Police Department.
So proud to have you with us.
Drew up next, everyone. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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