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Nancy Grace
Road Rage Shooting Suspect Arrested; Girl Vanishes During Halloween Costume Party
Aired October 30, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, to Brookfield village suburbs. A gorgeous young mom of four leaves the supermarket. En route back home,
Mommy shot dead in the face by an out-of-control road rager. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, police SWAT swarms the home of the suspected
road rage mom killer.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A drive home from a grocery store turns deadly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother of four children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fatal gunshot wound.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bullet holes in the windshield.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are here today to announce an arrest in the homicide case of Perla Avina.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And Newport, Michigan. She goes to a Halloween costume party dressed as a super-villain, Poison Ivy from "Batman." Amidst the other
partygoers, she disappears, never seen again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A girl has gone missing from a giant Halloween costume party.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where`s Chelsea Brock(ph)? The 22-year-old was last reportedly seen at a huge Halloween party held in this rural area of
Newport.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was dressed as the Poison Ivy character from "Batman".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One clue may be finding the little leaves that were on her Halloween costume that night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Groups of people have been searching, but still no sign of Chelsea Brock.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We go to the Brookfield village suburbs. A gorgeous young mom of four leaves the supermarket. En route back home, Mommy shot
dead in the face by an out-of-control road rager. As we go to air, police SWAT swarms the home of the suspected road rage mom killer.
This is what we reported to you last night, that this young mom of four, the youngest child being just 1 year old, goes with her husband just before
a Raiders game. They make a traditional dish every Sunday, and all of the family has this dish, and they watch the football game. They go get the
ingredients every Sunday morning before church. They did it this Sunday. En route home, just a few blocks away, Mommy gunned down, dead.
In the last hours, we learn police surround a suspect. SWAT moves in. With me right now from "The San Francisco Chronicle," Henry K. Lee. Who is
this guy?
HENRY K. LEE, "SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE" (via telephone): Well, we have not -- don`t know too much about him, Nancy, because the police are just giving
us his name. They are not giving us his picture or date of birth or any other information. All we know is that somehow, he ended up in Elk Grove,
in Sacramento County. He is now in Alameda County, ready to face charges.
GRACE: Now, hold on. Hold on. Everybody, you`re seeing suspect right here. Out of the blue -- out of the blue! -- Mom and Dad go to get grocery
ingredients for a dish to watch the Raiders game -- family tradition. As they go just a few blocks home, Mommy gunned down allegedly by this young
man who has no connection with them at all, an apparent case of road rage. Apparently, according to the husband, Luis (ph), this guy didn`t like the
way he was driving.
After we report this story to you last night, tips pour in, video surveillance reviewed. This goes down.
Back to Henry K. Lee with "The San Francisco Chronicle. Everybody, we are taking your calls. Henry, how do you think -- now, police have told us it
was tips garnered from the media, viewers` tips, as well as pointing police to surveillance video. How did they hone in on this guy?
LEE: Well, they`re not giving us specifics, but you can assuredly assume that they did review a lot of video surveillance, whether it was traffic
cameras, residential cameras or business video, that helped cement their case against this individual, Nancy.
GRACE: For those of you just joining us, last night, we told you the story of a gorgeous young mother of four. She married her high school
sweetheart. They`ve been together ever since. This woman, Perla Avina, married to husband Luis. They`ve got four children ranging from age 1 to
14. The youngest says, Mommy`s coming home in seven weeks. After we aired this, SWAT moves in on the suspect, Carl Dubose.
We are taking your calls. But out to C.W. Jensen, retired police captain. C.W., if you can even get a little information on the make and model of a
car, you can really narrow it down to a couple hundred cars in the area. This was a Volvo. What do you know about that, C.W.?
C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, again, as we discussed last night, whether it`s a make of a car or a color of a car that helps
tremendously because then you can eliminate all the thousands of other cars.
The other thing you mentioned, or the reporter mentioned, is that, you know, this -- this kind of crime just galvanizes everybody. Even if you`re
a crook, you hate this kind of stuff. So the tips, I think, were significant, and I think that once they got some video and could put the
tips with the picture, they moved in and made this arrest. And remember, as you know, Nancy...
GRACE: But C.W., I`m trying to figure out how cops do it. They narrow it down, and this is a real specialty, where you get the color or the
possible, possible make, not even definitely the make of the car. If you can even get one or two digits or letters off that tag, you`re going to get
it really narrowed down from several thousands of cars to several hundreds of cars.
How do they do that?
JENSEN: Well -- and remember, Nancy, this was in a neighborhood, not, you know, on the freeway, as we discussed. So let`s say you even have a
partial plate. You know, it started with A. Well, first of all, let`s say there`s -- let`s say there`s 100,000 cars, but how many are within, say, a
15-mile radius of where this happened? Well, now you`re maybe down to 25. So you start looking at those, and how -- which one -- there may have been
a car registered right there.
GRACE: Right.
JENSEN: Right? So that`s how it`s done. It`s methodical, and you get a lot of bad tips, and that`s why they didn`t put anything out, because they
knew what was going on. People were already calling them with the info.
GRACE: To Henry K. Lee with "The San Francisco Chronicle." Henry, along this area, we know there was the grocery store. We know there were other -
- other businesses that had surveillance video. It went past several apartment complexes before it got to their home and their suburb. But
apparently, what we are learning, Henry, is that the guy, quote, "didn`t like the way Luis was driving," and so he guns down the mom of four?
LEE: Yes. It`s hard to fathom, Nancy, because in this day and age, unfortunately, even what we call mean mugging, a look that someone does not
like, has led to gunfire here in Oakland. There`s small things. And little chirp have been victimized. And now, in this case, as you know,
Nancy, Perla`s four young children are now motherless. So one bullet has many, many resulting terrible things that we don`t want to think about.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots of Perla, the mother of four, gunned down, an apparent case of road rage. And Henry, is there any
connection at all between the family and the suspect, Carl Dubose?
LEE: No. The suspect does not have any previous connection with the family. And when I spoke to Louis today outside his home, he confirmed
that, you know, the name does not ring familiar to him. And he is assuming this is the right suspect, but he doesn`t know because the cops have not
shown him any pictures.
GRACE: Everyone, there is GoFundMe (ph) set up. I`ll get you that information for funeral services for Perla Avina and to help her children.
Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers" -- Bethany, I don`t understand the whole road rage. We all get angry at people that cut
us off. We think somebody`s a bad driver. But to basically point-blank gun down a mother of four, that`s way beyond road rage.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, I mean, this guy has a complex of symptoms. First of all, he has a grudge against society. Something`s
causing him to have a high rate of irritability. It could be that he`s on an illegal substance, a stimulant. Maybe he`s in what we call an irritable
mania, meaning he`s bipolar, which causes reactivity, excessive rage, impulsivity, aggression, violence. And these kind of people always feel
like they`re being cut off.
In fact, my patients who come to my office who are in manic episodes often report a lot of speeding tickets, road rage, following people down the
freeway. This is not an uncommon symptom.
Or the final possibility is that this guy -- less likely -- but this guy is a member of a gang or has been egged on by some other party, and he thought
that this would be a good idea, that it would raise his status in some community. But likely we have a bipolar individual who looks normal on the
surface, but internally has racing thoughts, irritability, hyperactivity...
GRACE: Well, you know, Bethany...
MARSHALL: ... and seething, simmering rage.
GRACE: ... racing thoughts, irritability, hyperactivity -- that could be about, what, 99 percent of America? Racing thoughts, irritability, you`re
in a lot of traffic, you`re in a hurry.
MARSHALL: But this is...
GRACE: ... but what is it that tips this guy, not everybody else, to take out a gun and gun down a mother of four on a Sunday morning, leaving the
supermarket? I mean, the reality is, anytime I`m sitting in a red light, if you extrapolate with this, I can look around. There`s somebody sitting
there with a gun underneath the seat!
MARSHALL: Right.
GRACE: I mean...
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GRACE: ... even look to the right or the left when you`re at the red light!
MARSHALL: But if you think of it as being psychiatrically motivated or motivated by drugs, it is like -- it`s like rage on speed. It`s at such a
pathological level that you and I can`t even comprehend. This is not like being mad at your husband because he didn`t take out the garbage. This is
so excessive.
GRACE: Back to Henry K. Lee with "San Francisco Chronicle." Henry, I`m just wondering, right now, they`re calling him a suspect. How far has it
gotten? And why did the SWAT team have to be called in?
LEE: Well, as a measure of caution. When Oakland police called their counterparts in Elk Grove, they say, You know what? This is a homicide
suspect. We believe he`s armed because he had a gun at the time. You know, we want you to use all due caution. And understandably, Elk Grove
police called out their SWAT Team. They don`t want to take any chances. Ultimately, Nancy, there was no barricaded situation. He did not hold them
up. He...
GRACE: Well, wasn`t there a woman and a child also in the apartment? A family friend was with him at the time, or in the apartment? And so the
police were taking extra precaution? The woman and child had nothing to do with this at all. They`re not connected, not related. They were there
with the family friend. But I`m sure police did not want to compound the situation as they arrested this guy.
LEE: That`s right. They wanted to bring him to justice safely and not have another casualty on their hands. And now he is sitting in a holding
cell.
GRACE: Henry, another question. We`ve been told by police sources that he unloaded the bullets at this young mom of four because he didn`t like the
way her husband was driving -- nothing about cutting him off, nothing about shooting birds at each other, nothing like that at all.
Do you know if it`s because he didn`t like the way Luis was driving, or was there something that happened in the grocery store, the grocery store
parking lot?
LEE: No. It looks like whatever happened, happened from the 400 to 600 block of 98th Avenue. Now, keep in mind, Nancy, this is a major
thoroughfare that some people use to the take to the Oakland International Airport. This is a heavily traveled thoroughfare. There are a lot of
cameras in the area. So you know, whether or not this suspect thought he could get away with it is a very interesting question.
Or as one of your guests noted, is he just beyond rational thought, whatever demons he might be having in his head, that he thought, you know,
I`m just going to shoot someone tonight and get away with it?
GRACE: Everybody, you are looking at the man that is right now a suspect - - he has not been formally indicted -- with gunning down this young mother of four. She and her husband go every Sunday morning during football
season before church and get the ingredients for a special dish they serve during the game. Everybody gets together and watches the football game.
That was not meant to be. According to police, the suspect, Carl Dubose, took issue with the way her husband was driving her home, takes out a gun
and guns Mommy dead.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Avina and her husband were driving back from the grocery store.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some type of confrontation occurred.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And another car came up along side the Avinas` black Toyota Camry and fired multiple rounds into the car. Perla, in the
passenger seat, was struck and killed by one of the bullets.
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GRACE: For, those of you just joining us, we told you about Avina last night, Perla Avina, just 30 years old, gunned down in traffic, a mother of
four, as she leaves the supermarket early on Sunday morning. At this hour, based on tips garnered from the media, after we report this story, an
arrest goes down. The suspect, Carl Stephen Dubose, as of right now has not been indicted. He is under arrest. He has not been booked in. That`s
how early stages this is.
Out to the lines. Hi, Joe. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Nancy. I have a few comments, and it may lead to a question. Living in south Florida, and Miami-Dade particularly, it`s worth
your life to travel on 95, which is the north-south highway out of Miami. You have to use 95 to get -- to go north out of Miami.
And police say don`t even look at other drivers. They may get an idea that there`s something wrong with the way you`re looking at them. And people
get cut off. The driving is atrocious. It`s dangerous. You hate to -- you hate to almost get out there.
I`ve driven in Havana. I`ve driven in Paris and Rome. Havana was a little chaotic, and many people from Central and South America -- and I like
everyone -- are not the greatest drivers in the world. Miami-Dade...
GRACE: Well, I`m sure they think the same thing about us, sadly. But you know what, Joe? What you said about taking your life into your hands on
the highway, yes.
Unleash the lawyers, Jeff Gold out of Phoenix, Hugo Rodriguez, defense attorney out of Miami. All right, Hugo, you know this would qualify for
the death penalty.
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: If it`s proved that it was premeditated and unprovoked, yes.
GRACE: And of course, premeditation can be formed in the twinkling of an eye. I mean, it doesn`t require a long period of premeditation, such as
poisoning someone over a period of time.
RODRIGUEZ: True. Now, what`s interesting, Hugo, is that it`s been stated so far that he didn`t like the way the husband was driving, not that they
had an altercation, not that Luis pulled a gun on him, nothing like that. In fact, there`s no indication that either she, the young mom, or the
husband were armed in any way.
So what -- how do you get out of this? If you`re the defense lawyer, how do you fight your way out of this?
RODRIGUEZ: The only witness is the husband, and of course, we don`t know what his motive is. We don`t know what happened before. We don`t know if
there was any -- he`s the only witness, and he is giving his rendition of what happened. We don`t know if there`s any forensics on either one of the
cars, if they collided. We don`t know if the husband had a gun. We don`t know what happened at the store. We don`t know anything. We know his
story.
GRACE: Hold on. Put him back up! If they had an altercation at the store and they leave the store, and then he shoots and guns down the mom of four,
that`s still not going to be mutual combat because they left. There`s no cat and mouse going on?
RODRIGUEZ: If you`re correct. But what I understand is he shot through the passenger side window, and she was in between...
GRACE: No. He shot through the -- let`s see a picture.
RODRIGUEZ: ... him and the driver on the other side, which is her husband.
GRACE: Show Hugo the picture of the car. The shot went through the front windshield and hit her. I don`t know what side of the street he was on.
It looks like he was on the driver`s side of the car and shot, and it went through and shot Perla. That`s the way it looks, Hugo.
RODRIGUEZ: I understand where you`re coming from, Nancy, but without the forensics, without knowing everything, I don`t want to speculate. And
you`re asking me and the prerequisite of your question was "if." We don`t know the answers to those "ifs." But if it is premeditated without being
provoked, if it`s not justified, yes, it would qualify as a first degree murder case.
GRACE: OK, Jeff Gold, what`s your defense in a case like this?
JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, you got the cart before the horse. You`re talking about the death penalty, and we don`t even know
what happened. At worst, it`s a negligent homicide, a manslaughter, a reckless homicide. It`s not premeditated murder based on the facts we have
right now.
GRACE: Whoa! Wait! Wa-wait! Wa-wait! Wait!
GOLD: You`re talking...
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GRACE: You are...
GOLD: ... talking about Jodi Arias getting the death penalty and you`re talking about a guy in road rage getting the death penalty, Nancy!
GRACE: OK, you just threw out a lot of legal conflicting stories, and none of them are consistent with the other. Number one, negligent homicide --
how can you be driving, take out a gun, cock it, point it and shoot it and claim negligence? What about that, Jeff Gold? You just said that,
negligent homicide.
GOLD: We don`t know if he intended to shoot it. We don`t know if he waved the pistol and it just went off by accident. We don`t know what his
intention was right now. And certainly, it would be negligent if you took a pistol and waved it and then it went off. It would be even reckless. It
might be involuntary manslaughter. But we`re jumping all the way to premeditated murder and then beyond that into the death penalty! Way too
far.
GRACE: OK, to you, Henry K. Lee, was there any indication the two had had a fight, an altercation?
LEE: I don`t know about any details on what transpired beforehand, but there was a road rage confrontation. Whether or not there was an earlier
(INAUDIBLE) at the store, that remains unclear. But what we know, according to the police, Nancy, is that there was some kind of a dispute
related to driving.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a family with four children who have lost their mother.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother of four was killed in a road rage incident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senseless act of violence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone in another car shot her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His name is Carl Dubose.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re desperate for justice.
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. After we told you this story last night about the young mom of four being gunned down on her way home from the
supermarket on a Sunday morning, we now can report that a suspect has just been apprehended based on media tips. After our program, this guy is taken
into custody. He is a suspect. He has not been formally charged.
Straight back to Henry K. Lee with "The San Francisco Chronicle." Henry, is it true that there were multiple shots fired on Perla`s car?
LEE: Well, Nancy, they have not said how many shots were fired altogether and how many struck Perla. But obviously, at this point, right now, the
DA`s office is mulling over whether to formally charge him with murder and whether any special circumstances apply.
GRACE: Now, we were told from police sources that multiple shots were fired. Do you know if that`s true, Henry?
LEE: No, we do not. Officially, police rarely tell us here in Oakland anything about ballistic evidence.
GRACE: OK, unleash the lawyers, Jeff Gold and Hugo Rodriguez. Jeff Gold, you were saying that this could just have been an accident, negligence,
that he could have been -- the shooter may have been holding the gun while he was driving and waving it, and then it went off. Well, what about the
fact that according to police sources, there were multiple gunshots? How can that be an accident?
GOLD: Well I didn`t say an accident. I said...
GRACE: You said negligence.
GOLD: ... I said negligent homicide. I think it could be involuntary manslaughter.
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) multiple shots be negligence?
GOLD: But it could be -- look -- OK, look, so you shoot multiple times. This is a problem of having guns in America. And you pull it out and you
shoot it without thinking what going to happen. There`s no way to say he intended to kill anybody. He may have wanted to just shoot at the car.
GRACE: OK. Jeff, let me ask you another question.
GOLD: He didn`t have any necessary intention to kill somebody. You guys can`t prove that.
GRACE: You graduated law school. Right?
GOLD: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: OK. And you do know that the law presumes that you intend the natural consequences of your act. You do know that. Right?
GOLD: Yes.
GRACE: All right. So if you`re in a crowded area on a highway and cars are flying by you, in a residential area and you take a loaded gun out of
your -- console, and you wave it with your finger on the trigger, and you pull the trigger, the law would assume, presume, you intend the
consequences of your act. You`re in a crowded area, full of people, you pull the trigger. What do you think is going to happen?
GOLD: It`s the classic example of negligent or reckless homicide, manslaughter.
GRACE: Huh. OK. What about you, Hugo?
RODRIGUEZ: Well, first of all, we don`t know if he is the shooter. We don`t know if there was another person.
GRACE: Well, I`m talking the shooter.
RODRIGUEZ: We don`t know from the trajectory --
GRACE: I`m not saying him, I`m saying the shooter.
RODRIGUEZ: Well, you`re saying the shooter. No. OK. There could have been somebody else in the car. We don`t know from the trajectory or the
angle of that bullet or multiple bullets if it could have been the driver. We don`t know if he was the driver, we don`t know if anybody else was in
the car. We don`t know if the gun that was found is linked to him.
GRACE: That is a great question. Let`s take a look -- let`s take a look at the car. Where the gunshot went into the front of the car. It`s almost
in the center of the front windshield. She`s sitting in the driver`s side. This indicates that the shooter came up on the right side of the victim`s
car and shot. That it went through the windshield at an angle and shot Perla.
Henry Lee, is there any indication that there is anybody else in the car? Or just one person?
LEE (via-phone): How many people were in the suspect`s vehicle, but they have told us this morning that there are no other suspects at large. That
he is the one in custody at this point.
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GRACE: And now live to Newport, Michigan. She goes to a Halloween costume party dressed as a super villain, Poisoned Ivy from "Batman." Amidst all
the partygoers, she disappears. Never seen again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chelsea was dressed as Batman villainous Poison Ivy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators released the sketch of a man a witness saw heading to some parked cars with Chelsea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends and family are concerned for Chelsea`s safety.
KASSANDRA BRUCK, CHELSEA BRUCK`S SISTER: If she was able to come home she would have by now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family and friends of Chelsea searching for any sign to where she might be or what may have happened to her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Marie Osborne, anchor with WWJ.
Marie, thanks for being with us. So she goes to a party, and it`s my understanding that this kind a open invitation on Facebook or by Twitter,
and they expect a couple of hundred people to come, but way more people came. And nearly everybody is in costumes and masks. So it`s going to be
very difficult to place exactly who she was with last.
MARIE OSBORNE, REPORTER, WWJ NEWSRADIO 950 (via-phone): That`s right, Nancy. In fact, 800 people by some estimates showed up at this party. Now
this is a 10-year-old event. So a lot of people know about this and a lot of people, thanks to social media, want to be there. So they figure there
were about 800 people there and a lot of them were in costumes and masks.
One of the organizers said that after midnight he could see things were getting way out of hand. People parking illegally and so on. He took his
costume off to try help direct some traffic, but in the midst of all this, this 22-year-old girl, Chelsea Bruck, goes missing.
GRACE: You know the picture that we`re showing is one from the Halloween party, but that`s really not what she looks like at all. That is her
dressed as Poison Ivy, if you`re familiar with Batman, Poison Ivy has long, dark, reddish-brown hair and that`s her outfit. That`s Poison Ivy holding
poison. So she`s completely decked out as Poison Ivy.
You know, if you asked a lot of the partygoers, they may not really been able to identify Chelsea as she really looks. With blonde hair, green
eyes, 5`7", around 130 pounds, last seen dressed as Poison Ivy.
Take a look, everybody, the tip line 734-240-7700.
For those of you joining us, this girl goes to a Halloween party. Now it`s on Facebook, it`s on Twitter, everybody knows about the party, they expect
a couple hundred people to come. The next thing you know it`s gotten way out of hand. People are parking in yards, up and down this road. Way more
people are there than were invited.
Marie Osborne is with us, anchor with WWJ. So what happened? So she`s at the party. People see her there dressed as Poison Ivy. What happens next?
OSBORNE: Well, a short time after she is dropped off at this party, she went with a friend. In fact, she drove there with a friend, and one piece,
of piece of evidence here is that she left her cell phone in the car. Probably inadvertently.
The last thing we know is that a witness sees Chelsea speaking with a man described as a white man, medium build, medium length, dark hair, a thin
mustache, facial wear -- facial hair, he wore a dark frame glasses, a plain black hooded sweatshirt, with no visible logo. So they do have a composite
sketch thanks to this witness. This is the only thing that law enforcement officials have to go on. This is believed to be the last person she was
seen last.
GRACE: Well, Marie, what`s so upsetting about that, with the hoodie and the glasses and all that, for all I know he`s dressing as the Unabomber.
He might not even look like that once he takes off his hoodie and his glasses, and any possible Halloween makeup he may have on, but assuming
this is him, white male, medium build, medium hair, thin mustache, facial hair. He was wearing black framed glasses and a black hoodie.
Is this what he really looks like? That`s the problem for those of you just joining us.
A young girl goes to the Halloween party. There she is. There`s Chelsea. That`s not what she looks likes. She`s in a costume. That`s what people
at the party remember. All for we know, the guy she was with briefly, that`s not what he look likes. These are the problems police are
encountering.
Justin Freiman, another note about Chelsea is, she`s a very sweet, innocent type girl. She lives at home with her parents. She doesn`t have a
driver`s license. They drive her back and forth to work. She`s never disappeared before. Nothing like that at all, Justin.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via-phone): Nancy, you`re 100 percent right. And what a lot of people worry about is the area near this
party is full of cornfields. And we both know that is extremely difficult to search.
GRACE: Yes. You know what? Good point. Full of cornfields.
Marie Osborne joining us, WWJ. How is that hindering the search?
OSBORNE: Well, you`re working with massive acreage here that they`re searching, trying to locate this girl. Now the very first night they had
about 100 people come out. They searched from the site of the party out. They had two-person search parties and you`ve got to do it the hard way.
You`ve got to do it on foot, and since that first night, they have searched again and again, but have been unable to come up with anything.
And as you know, at this time of year, those fields are pretty grown over with stalks of corn and other such agriculture. So it is a difficult
search.
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Tonight, a Halloween party tragedy. This girl goes to a Halloween party. She`s a very sweet girl. Lives at home
with her parents. Doesn`t even have a driver`s license. They take her back and forth to work every day.
Chelsea dresses up like Poison Ivy. The evil nemesis in "Batman." So the partygoers at this out-of-control party really can`t identify where they
last saw her because they don`t even know what she really looks like, much less who she may have been with when she left because they may have been in
costume as well.
Her parents, beside themselves, asking for your help.
Joining me right now is Chelsea`s sister, Kassandra Bruck.
Kassandra, thank you so much for being with us. This is just like the worst nightmare a mom and dad can have. Your girl that you raised to be a
lovely young lady goes to this party, and the party by all accounts was totally out of control. The guy who is throwing the party realizes it. He
starts trying to get people to leave.
Liz, show some footage of this party. Now imagine this sweet, young girl, goes to this -- listen.
OK. This is the party where Chelsea ended up. A friend drove her there. She accidentally left her cell phone in the friend`s car. Now we can`t
find her.
Kassandra, tell me about Chelsea.
KASSANDRA BRUCK, CHELSEA BRUCK`S SISTER (via-phone): Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. I love this opportunity to be able to talk to
you and share my sister`s story. I`m a year and a half older than my sister. We were raised basically like twins. Very close in height and
weight and the same clothes growing up. There`s five siblings or five kids in my family. A family of seven.
Good Catholic Christian family. She`s the youngest of us. She`s our baby. The sweetest girl. Everyone has been telling us how sweet she is. She
loves people. She loves -- she`s just kind. Kind-hearted and sweet and innocent person.
GRACE: You know -- everyone, with me, is Chelsea`s sister Kassandra. They grew up like twins. Only a year and a half age difference. Shared
the same clothes growing up. And I`m just telling you from all of our sources, Chelsea was very protected growing up. And, true, she just turned
22, but she lives with her parents. She`s never disappeared before. Her parents drive her back and forth to her job. All the older siblings kind
of took care of Chelsea, the baby.
Chelsea is missing tonight. And what`s adding more difficulty for police, Marc Klaas, is that she`s in costume and all these crazy partygoers, you`re
not going to be able to identify her, much less the guy that may have taken her if he`s in costume, Marc.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT & FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: You know, it`s just like a horrible situation. I would think, given everything we now know
about Chelsea that there has been a crime committed against her. So I hope the authorities are moving forward knowing that.
You know these Halloween parties, Nancy, when you get hundreds of people, the person throwing the party has a responsibility to provide some kind of
surveillance and/or some kind of security. Hopefully, somebody that was at the party will know who this individual was and will be able to help one
for --
GRACE: I`m telling you they don`t, Marc. It got out of control. They were expecting like maybe 200 people at a party, all right? Maybe. But it
got Facebooked and Twittered. Next thing you know, there`s 400, 500 people pouring out. The host didn`t even know them. When he realized the party
is getting crazy, he starts trying to get people to leave. And in all of this, Chelsea has gone missing.
Very quickly, CNN Heroes.
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JUAN PABLO ROMERO FUENTES, CNN HERO: My country`s violent history has created a very violent presence. Gangs are everywhere, kids are exposed to
drugs, to violence, and to the lack of opportunities for them to improve their lives.
I was a teacher on the same community that I grew up. My students were dealing with the same problems that I was dealing 20 years ago. I wanted
to change that. The best thing for me to do was open my house doors and bring them here. Eight years later, I`m still running the program in my
family house.
We provide classes, so they can find their own passions. We give them a decent plate of food. Children are powerful, just they don`t know that
yet. So I created a safe place for them to realize that they are actually contains bad aspects in their lives in their community.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Life was getting dangerous for me and my family because I was involved in illegal activities. I was transformed at Los Patojas.
Now I`m a leader, I give classes to the kids.
FUENTES: With a violent country, the only weapon we can have is love. I still believe that we can change this country. I see potential in kid`s
dreams and ideas. They are the ones in charge of writing the history in Guatemala.
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GRACE: We really need your help tonight. A young girl missing from a Halloween party. Here she is, the partygoers can`t really identify her
because she`s in a Poison Ivy costume.
To Doctor Tim Gallagher, joining me from Daytona Beach Florida.
Doctor Tim Gallagher, question, the temperature, if this girl has been kidnapped, if she is dead, how will the environment affect the case?
DR. TIM GALLAGHER M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER & FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Thanks for having me on the show, Nancy.
Temperature is very important but due to decomposition. The higher the temperature, the quicker the body would decompose. Also at higher
temperatures, the insects, the scavenger insects and scavenger animals do take their toll on the body and thus removing evidence. So hopefully, they
can find her if she is in fact deceased before all these factors take effect.
GRACE: You know, Dr. Tim Gallagher, I know you`re right, but I`m still holding out hope that this girl is going to be found.
Justin Freiman, I was just talking to Kassandra, Chelsea`s sister.
Chelsea is the baby of the family, and she`s been treated like the baby of the family, extremely innocent. Everybody took care of her, all the
siblings. This was their little doll, so to speak.
FREIMAN: That`s right, Nancy. This is somebody who at the party left her stuff with one of her friends who was there with her. Her cell phone, her
purse, then they couldn`t find her later on to give it back. So she`s somewhere hopefully, but she does not have her phone, she does not have
money on her, she does have credit cards.
GRACE: To Kassandra Bruck, this is Chelsea`s sister. If you could speak to her, right now, if she can hear you over the airwaves tonight, what is
your message to your sister?
BRUCK: Well, I do want to reiterate the fact that this is 100 percent uncharacteristic of her. I without a doubt, my heart is hurt -- no, and if
she was able to come home, she would have by now. But on that off chance that she can hear me right now, she needs to know that we love her, that we
miss her and we just want her to come home.
GRACE: Please help us, everyone. The tip line is 734-240-7700.
Let`s remember American hero Army 1st Lieutenant Joshua Hyland, Missoula, Montana. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, a University Of Montana grad. Parents
Marty and Linda, brother Rick. Widow Lanie, son Dylan.
Joshua Hyland, American hero.
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"DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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