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GPS Led the Way to Abducted Philadelphia Nurse; Did Wife Shoot Herself Dead with Left Hand?
Aired November 06, 2014 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Germantown suburbs, a 22- year-old hospital nurse kidnapped, dragged down the sidewalk, forced into a waiting sedan, stuffed into the back seat. In the last hours, found alive.
Bombshell tonight. A GPS chip embedded in the car because of bad credit cracks the case wide open, along with your viewer tips.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The woman snatched off the street in Philadelphia is back home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carlesha Freeland has been rescued. Her abductor has been arrested.
KEISHA FREELAND, VICTIM`S MOTHER: He said, No, I`m bringing your daughter home, and he brought my baby home.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And North Carolina. In the last hours, detectives seized Yahoo! and Internet records when a wife is found dead in her home, at first in a
scene that looks like suicide. She`s in bed, holding the gun in her left hand. Problem? She`s right-handed.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 41-year-old woman is found dead in her North Carolina home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New court documents obtained show investigators believe someone shot and killed Sarah Long (ph) inside her Davison (ph)
home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Sarah Long commit suicide, or was she murdered?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`ll Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Live to Germantown suburbs, a 22-year-old hospital nurse kidnapped, dragged down the sidewalk, digging in her heels, fighting
back, forced into a waiting sedan, shoved into the back seat. In the last hours, she is found alive. A GPS chip embedded in the perp`s car because
of bad credit cracks the case wide open, along with your viewer tips.
Straight out to CNN correspondent Jean Casarez, on the scene. You know how rare this is, Jean, that she is found alive? Tell me what happened.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Nancy, it`s amazing! I`m right here now in Virginia, and it is the local police here in Virginia
that really helped crack this case. It was about a week ago, Nancy, that they got the DNA back from a young 16-year-old victim who was abducted --
yes, abducted in October as she was walking the streets in the Richmond, Virginia, area. They got that DNA back, and they realized that that DNA...
GRACE: Hold on! Jean, Jean, hold on! See that car, everybody? Look. You can see where Carlesha kicked out the rear window, just as we were
telling you when she first got kidnapped to be on the lookout. BOLO -- both passenger and driver back seat windows kicked out as she tried to
escape her kidnapper. Here is the suspect`s car. Take a look. It is exactly as was described, a dark gray metallic Ford Taurus between 2000 and
2004. She fought for her life. This was one of the clues that helped find the alleged perp, Delvin Barnes.
Go ahead, Jean.
CASAREZ: And that car that you`re apparently looking at right now, for the first time getting a full look at, that`s the same car that the police
right here in Virginia looked at in that surveillance video (INAUDIBLE) at night as the perpetrator is pulling that car to the side of the road and
parking his car.
They noticed what nobody else would notice. They saw a detail on that car that showed a car agency right here in the Richmond area, and they knew
that that car agency only would sell a car with a GPS insignia on it. So the captain of this police -- of the sheriff`s office called the car agency
and said, We need to know where that car is. And this was yesterday, Nancy, around midday. And the car dealership said, That car right now is
in Jessup, Maryland.
So the captain here that I have been speaking to in Virginia made a call to ATF and said the car is in Jessup. By 3:30, ATF had surrounded that car,
surveilling it, waiting for de Delvin Barnes to get out. When he exited, they got him. They arrested him and they rescued Carlesha.
GRACE: OK, Jean, I`m completely overwhelmed that this girl has been found alive. And are you telling me -- I want to get my facts straight, Jean --
that one of the cops, I think you said the captain, spotted a decal on the car. And Lieutenant John Stanford from the Philly police department had
noticed the decal and told me about it, and we played it over and over for my viewers. Are you telling me that decal was from a car dealership and
the captain actually said, Whoa, wait a minute, I know that dealership, and they will only sell, if you`ve got bad credit, if you have a GPS chip in
your car?
CASAREZ: Exactly. Exactly. And they also noticed -- remember we heard that in the center of the dashboard window that there was something in the
center? They (INAUDIBLE) that too. That was a Virginia inspection sticker, and they knew that it was a Virginia car from that. And then they
saw the decal from the Virginia car agency.
GRACE: You know, it`s pretty amazing the way that they identified that and they knew the GPS would be attached. To Solomon Jones, joining me, in
addition to Jean Casarez, WURD -- you know how incredible that is, Solomon, that this captain or one of his people recognized the dealership and went,
Hey, wait, that dealership, if you`ve got bad credit, will only sell you a car if they put a GPS tracker chip in there.
SOLOMON JONES, WURD (via telephone): It is extremely incredible. And the other thing is incredible is that the whole case really revolved around
surveillance. There was a camera in the building, next to the building where the abduction took place. There was a camera in the market that he
went in before he did the abduction. There was a camera in the gas station in Maryland. There was a camera at the ATM that -- where he used
Carlesha`s card. And then there was a GPS chip in the car. So really, the whole case really resolved around that technology that was able to track
him first by camera and then by that GPS.
GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, then we have the woman who goes -- guys, listen to this. This is absolutely incredible! I had to hear this three
or four times before I could understand it fully. Jean Casarez, about the woman that finds the trash in her driveway -- tell that part.
CASAREZ: So I think you`re talking about -- that`s near the ATM in Maryland, and she finds this potato chip wrapper and a receipt, and the
receipt came from a small supermarket in the Philadelphia area and it had a timecode on it. That timecode was nine hours before the abduction, eight
to nine hours before. And so police went to that supermarket. They got surveillance video. Guess what they found? They found who they say the
kidnapper is, Delvin.
GRACE: OK, let`s see the video that Jean is telling us about. Jean, tell me the story again, about the woman goes outside, she found trash. She
finds trash in her driveway. She picks up a bag. It`s this potato chip bag.
I don`t know why she looked in the bag, Jean. I would have just picked it up and thrown it in the trash. She looks in the bag and what does she
find?
CASAREZ: She finds a receipt, and the receipt is from a small market in the Philadelphia area. But remember, she`s finding it in Maryland. And so
she looks at it. Police get it. They trace it to that market in Philadelphia, and they look at the surveillance video. It`s eight hours
before the abduction, and they see that the surveillance video shows Delvin Barnes. So that places him in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, eight hours
before Carlesha goes missing.
GRACE: You know, that`s incredible. And you`re seeing the video that Jean`s talking about. Justin Freiman on the story, as well. So the woman
sees the trash, Justin. She looks in the bag. I`m, like, Why would you look in a bag to find some half-eaten chips? But she does. She finds this
receipt. And what does she do, Justin?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): She talks to the neighbor about it. And one of her neighbors even says to her, Hey, this
sounds like this person in Philadelphia with this abduction. And then she contacts the authorities.
GRACE: Now, see, that`s even more incredible. She had been watching TV. She knew about Carlesha. She knew about Philly. She knew about the chips
on the video -- it was just crazy the way it all unfolded.
So Jean Casarez, tell me, why did his Ford Taurus have a chip in it? How did that happen?
CASAREZ: Well, when you`re a poor credit risk. And I was just talking with the captain here in Charles City County, Virginia, and this particular
agency only sells a car if there is a tracking, a monitor system on it. But they also believe that someone is fully aware that there is a GPS
monitor system on the car because they know they`re a credit risk and they know that that car could be repo-ed.
GRACE: So he probably either signed some document that advised him he had a chip in the car or he forgot about it or he didn`t realize he had been
surveilled, that he was caught, his car had been identified on surveillance video, Jean, because once they found out, once the cops realized it was
from this dealership and there was a chip in the car, it was a matter of calling the dealership, right?
CASAREZ: Calling the dealership, which the Charles County captain did. And he found out exactly where that car was yesterday about midday, in
Jessup, Maryland. And that was what broke the case right there. That`s it. And ATF surrounded that car and they apprehended Delvin Barnes.
GRACE: You know, another miracle that this -- that this woman, nurse Carlesha, is alive because this guy`s rap sheet -- I mean, he was already
wanted for attacking, raping, nearly killing a 16-year-old girl. In that case, he`s charged with attempted capital murder by acid.
What happened, Jean?
CASAREZ: OK. This was about a month ago, Nancy, a 16-year-old girl just walking along the street. And what they`ve gathered so far is that...
GRACE: Did you say off the street?
CASAREZ: Yes, just walking along the street.
GRACE: Just like this case. Go ahead.
CASAREZ: Ah, yes, yes. He allegedly took a shovel, hit her to her head to give her a small concussion, got her into his car, allegedly took her to
his parents` house, where he lives. He lives with his parents here in Virginia.
He then allegedly began to rape her and showed her pictures of other victims saying, If you say anything about me or do anything, you`re going
to end up just like my other victims have. He then took her outside and began to dig a grave, but not before police...
GRACE: Oh, dear Lord in heaven! I didn`t know the part where the little 16-year-old girl is abducted off the street, allegedly raped, he shows her
photos of other victims, according to her, and says, You`re going to end up like these other women did. I`m trying to find out if those photos were of
dead ladies. And he starts digging a grave in the back yard, Jean?
CASAREZ: And then he allegedly takes her clothes off, douses her with gasoline, sets her on fire. And then his attention was diverted, police
tell me. She escaped, Nancy, and she ran two miles down country roads and ended up at a business in a rural area, and was running around the parking
lot very distraught, with burns all over her body.
Police (INAUDIBLE) there within two minutes. They medevaced her to the burn unit at the hospital here in Richmond, and she remains in that burn
unit today, Nancy. And she has been told that her alleged perpetrator of her kidnapping and attempted murder is now behind bars.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... has been returned home safely.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A missing woman found alive and safe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a very dangerous predator off the streets.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They set up a perimeter around the vehicle and they conducted surveillance on the vehicle for a few moments.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the subject exited the vehicle, he was apprehended.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Barnes had warrants out in Virginia for attempted murder, rape and abduction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a thug, and this is what he does, apparently.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: For those of you joining us, the nurse that was abducted off the street -- look at her. The guy walks up to her. He holds out her hand
like he`s -- she`s backing up away from him, holds out her hand, and he goes in. Watch this. He grabs her. She`s backing away, backing away. He
grabs her. He pulls her. She is digging in her heels all the way down the sidewalk. He forces her into a waiting sedan, identified as a 2000 to 2004
metallic brown Ford Taurus.
She is fighting the whole way. Here`s that Taurus. There she is, kicking and fighting. She`s fighting so hard, she kicks out the windows in the
back of the car, one of the ways this vehicle was identified.
As we went over and over this video -- those of you just joining us, she has been found alive! And this guy is a predator. This is at least his
third victim, that we know of. But I want to show you something interesting we saw on the video last night as we were going through the
scene over and over.
Watch this car. Look. See this car? It pulls up, it sees Carlesha, nurse Carlesha being forced into the car. And what does it do? Keep watching.
Keep watching. The potential witness backs up and leaves. Whoa! I don`t want any part of that. Backs up and peels off. There you go. The witness
to the crime leaves Carlesha with a known predator.
To you, Justin Freiman, let`s go through this guy`s record. Then we`re being joined by Lieutenant John Stanford. Justin, this guy is pure evil
because before he allegedly abducts nurse Carlesha -- OK, there we go, `99 battery of a minor, somebody dismissed it. 2000, firearm, guilty. 2000,
reckless driving, guilty. 2001, threatening language, threatening on a phone, not prosecuted. 2001, breaking and entering, tearing up property.
2001, robbery, firearm, displaying firearm in a robbery. Not prosecuted. 2002, delinquency of a minor. What did he do with a minor? 2005,
probation (INAUDIBLE) 2006, ag assault, trespass, false imprisonment, assault, rape, not guilty. Look at this! Deviant sexual intercourse. It
goes on and on.
But that`s not all, Justin.
FREIMAN: Nancy, there`s another terrifying chapter to this. He actually attacked his estranged wife. In 2005, he was waiting in the closet of her
bedroom when she came home, and then when she went in there, he attacked her.
GRACE: And the rest of that story is he attacked her so brutally, as he did with his 16-year-old victim, forced the ex-wife to take off all her
clothes. Their 3-year-old child was at home. He reportedly rapes her through the night, then is beating her, scratching her with his nails, her
-- she gets -- she calls her parents every day, so he let her call her parents so they wouldn`t think anything was wrong. And she speaks to them
in a code that they realize something is wrong.
The mom and dad come over with a baseball bat. This guy right there, Delvin Barnes, is like an animal, beating his wife, according to reports.
They can`t get him off of beating his wife. Finally, they get him off. He attacks her mother!
This is this guy! He allegedly gets a 16-year-old girl in his car, rapes her, makes her naked, starts digging a grave in the backyard, douses her
with gasoline and sets her on fire. She`s still in the hospital right now in the burn unit. Take a look at that video. That is how close Carlesha
came to death. This is what happened.
In the last hours, we learn the case cracked open by a GPS chip and by viewers calling in.
Joining me right now, special guest Lieutenant John Stanford from Philly police department. Lieutenant Stanford, tell me about your end of the
investigation. How did this case get cracked wide open?
LT. JOHN STANFORD, PHILADELPHIA POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Well, it was a continuous collaboration between Philadelphia police, the FBI,
ATF, U.S. Marshals, and then you add in the authorities from Maryland and Virginia. It was just a team effort, as well as the viewers, viewers and
those out there that observed the video that we put out, and then took it upon themselves to call police and give us those tips and that bit of
information that led to this arrest and this recovery of this young lady.
GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, how much of a miracle is this?
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: I`m sorry, Nancy? Would you repeat that?
GRACE: How much of a miracle is this?
KLAAS: Oh, it`s a tremendous miracle. This guy`s rap sheet goes back 30 pages. That means it`s endless. That means this guy is a serial predator.
As long as government decides -- as long as government is going to allow individuals like this to roam the streets, then innocent citizens need to
do what Carlesha did. She`s alive because of her fighting spirit. She did everything she could not to go with him. And once she was with him, she
continued to fight, and that`s the reason she`s alive today. And I think it`s instructive that there`s very little that a young woman or a girl can
do against a determined predator like this, but you have to do whatever you can. And because of her tenacity and because of this amazing partnership
that developed over the last four days, she`s alive. Fortunately, he will be in prison for the rest of his life.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Agents got to the parking lot on Waterloo Road, spotted the car with a man and a woman sitting in the back seat and set up
a perimeter. Inside the car, investigators found 22-year-old Carlesha Freeland-Gaither, the woman who police had been looking for since she was
abducted from a Philadelphia street.
FREELAND: She was praying and she was asking for me. She told me she loved me and missed me, come get her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: She has been found alive. Nurse Carlesha has been found. Justin Freiman, when she was found, was she still in the perp`s car?
FREIMAN: That`s right. She was in the back seat of the car. And then what we`ve been told is that he jumps into the front seat, tries to leave,
and the cops cut him off.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Hi, Lisa. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy and panel, please, I`m just wondering, could he have maybe been the stalker checking her out for quite a while, and all of
a sudden, kidnapped her out of the blue?
GRACE: I think that`s absolutely possible. As well as when he grabbed the 16-year-old girl off the street, Lisa, I wonder if he had not been stalking
her, as well. And remember, Lisa, he had been -- he showed the 16-year-old girl other pictures, according to her, of other women that he had abducted.
To Solomon Jones, WURD. What about these other women? Are police searching for the photos of his other victims he showed the little 16-year-
old girl?
JONES: That`s not something that I talked to -- I talked to the commissioner of the Philadelphia Police Department this morning, and that
is not something that he mentioned. But I`m sure -- what he talked about is that they still have to do another interview with Carlesha to find out
exactly what happened. And so we should expect some other charges to be coming in this case.
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: You know, Justin Freiman, you said that they closed in on the car as soon as she got out. But what was her condition? How is
she? Do we know?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: We`ve been told she was brought to the hospital right after that. She had some minor injuries. She`s in good
condition and since has been brought back to Philadelphia with her family with a police escort.
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GRACE: And now to North Carolina, in the last hours, detectives seize Yahoo! and Internet records when a wife is found dead in her home. At
first thought to be a scene that looks to be suicide. She`s in bed, dead, holding the gun in her left hand. One problem, she`s right handed.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At first, cops assume that Sarah Long had committed suicide.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Found shot in the head in an upstairs bedroom after a man who claimed to be her lover contacted police and said he hadn`t heard
from her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to police a man who claimed to be Long`s lover came forward and told him that she`s been depressed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Medical examiner said evidence did not suggest suicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now police are conducting a suspicious death investigation as they try to determine exactly how Sarah Long died.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, Pat Lalama, investigative reporter, she`s dead in bed. It reminds me of a murder I prosecuted while back where we found, once I got
to the crime lab, we put the sheets, the woman found dead in bed committed suicide, we put the sheets up in front of a light, a light bulb, and
noticed that there was blood spatter under where her pillow had been. Impossible. So blood spatter can`t get under your pillow while you`re
lying on it and you shoot yourself in the head.
So in this case, she -- is she ambidextrous? Did she shoot herself with a left hand, although everybody says she`s right handed? What do we know?
PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY: Well, what we do know is that this has got the makings of a made-for-TV movie because check it out, as you
mention, she`s right handed, she`s not ambidextrous and by the way, Nancy, not a drop of blood on the hand. That`s a little suspicious but then it
even gets weirder because the way cops found her, some gentleman called and said, I`m really worried about my friend Sarah Long, please go check on
her, and that`s how they find the body.
But then he calls them up the next day and says OK, I have all this stuff I need to get off my chest. I was having a secret affair with Sarah and she
was very depressed. She had cancer and I was trying to help her and she`s been very suicidal and she has an abusive ex-husband and gee whiz, we just
couldn`t tell anybody because we`re both married. And then of course the plot thickens.
GRACE: OK. Hold on. Hold on. So are -- I heard the emphasis on gentleman. Are you suggesting that he waited and waited and waited for
somebody to find her dead body and when nobody did, he finally called police himself?
LALAMA: Well, they believe that she had died three days -- approximately three days prior to discovery. So perhaps he sat and sat, if in fact, this
is all very suspicious. In fact, he sat and sat, OK, now it`s time to call police because gee, I`m really worried about my friend. And it`s really
quite an interesting case because he claims that about a month before she died that she had a gun to her head and she wanted to blow her brains out
because she had this cervical cancer.
And by the way, Nancy, the doctor disputes any such thing about cervical cancer and then, if I might go on.
GRACE: OK. Wait. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Let me absorb that.
LALAMA: OK.
GRACE: Dr. Michelle Dupre, two questions to you -- medical examiner, forensic pathologist joining me out of Colombia.
Dr. Dupre, number one, there`s a big difference between cervical dysplasia, which is what she apparently had, which is you have abnormal cells, that
over time may turn into cancer. What you do with that is you just laser it off or lop it off. All right.
And two, what`s all the business about there was no blood on her left hand? Why is that so significant?
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, usually in suicides, you`re going to find a little bit of blood
spatter or back spatter on the hand that is holding the gun. The fact she was right handed and the left hand was holding the gun, that in and of
itself is suspicious. So we just take a look everything.
The other interesting part is, sometimes we do find people who commit suicide, they will use their non-dominant hand to pull the trigger but then
they will steady the gun with their dominant hand. In her case it would have been her right hand. She didn`t do either of that.
GRACE: OK. Joining me right now is Joe Marusak with "The Charlotte Observer".
Joe, thank you for being with us. What more do you know? By the way, no one has been charged and there is not a person of interest or such person
of interest or suspect named in this case.
Go ahead, Joe.
JOE MARUSAK, REPORTER, CHARLOTTE OBSERVER: That`s correct, Nancy, although the boyfriend is mentioned in several of the police search warrants, the
police have not named a suspect in the case. I want to point that out. What we`re at now is the phase where they are doing a lot of electronic
investigation part. They`ve -- they say that they got a search warrant to search Sarah Long`s wireless router, AT&T wireless router, which was on in
her townhouse at the time police say she was killed.
So what would that wireless router do? It could identify any other electronics, including those of male subject that police say was seen
entering her townhouse with her that night.
GRACE: OK. Hold on. Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining me out of Raleigh. Now when you walk into someone`s home and you`ve got your
iPad or your iPhone with you, you don`t have to join their network? Is this set up so whenever anybody comes, it immediately will show up on the
person`s iPhone or iPad?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Well, Nancy, when you have a wireless device whether it`s a cell phone or an iPad or anything, you`re
going to connect to the strongest signal that`s around and you`re going to register to that device. Now if you walk into the house and the strongest
signal is her Wi-Fi router there, you`ll attempt to register.
You probably won`t be granted access but the router may have -- when they look at this router, it may have a collection of what they call, you know,
serial numbers of the devices that could be tracked -- traced back to a specific subscriber, even though he didn`t use that router.
And if it`s somebody who regularly goes to that house, he may have the codes and he may have been attached but that router should have a list of
device serial numbers that can be tracked back to specific phones and specific devices that may be registered to the subjects.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, joining me out of New York. Michael Mazzariello, defense attorney. Out of Miami, Yale Galanter, defense
attorney.
All right, Yale, rut-row. Sounds like the perp may have gone in her home. A, she`s not ambidextrous. She did not shoot herself with her left hand.
She`s found holding the gun, and Yale, she`s lying there in bed with the gun perfectly in her hand posed on her chest.
Now you know with the jolt, the shock of a gun being fired, your hand will fly out, not lie in repose with the gun still in your dead hand on your
chest, number one. But number two, what do you think about what Ben Levitan just explained? You walk in somebody`s home with your iPhone or
iPad, it`s going to leave a trail on the person`s router.
YALE GALANTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s true. I mean, we live in a society where electronics will identify where you`re at and how you`re
there. But this case is the classic cause of death-manner of death. For the prosecutors to bring a case, Nancy, as you well know, they`ve got to
prove what was the cause of death. Was this a self-inflicted wound or was this a wound inflicted by somebody else?
And in order to get out of the gate with the prosecution, they`ve got to have this be a homicide, as opposed to a suicide and then build the case
from there. Whether or not it was the boyfriend or something else, that evidence will develop, but the science really has to tell us whether what
the cause of death was here.
GRACE: Hold on. Wait, wait, wait.
GALANTER: And right now we just don`t know that.
GRACE: Now hold on, gentlemen. Let`s not mislead the viewers because medical examiners, when they are determining cause and manner of death can
look outside the forensics in the dead body to determine whether, for instance, there was arson, whether this was suicide or homicide. They
don`t have to just look at the body alone. The fact that they now know she`s not left-handed, that changes everything, Maz, everything.
MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFERENCE ATTORNEY: No, I agree with the pathologist you had on before with from Colombia. Sometimes it does happen where they
use the opposite hand, depending on the caliber of the gun of the bullet, maybe there was no blood.
GRACE: Put him up. Put him up. Put him up.
Michael Mazzariello --
MAZZARIELLO: Depending on the caliber of the gun.
GRACE: You`re saying sometimes.
MAZZARIELLO: A very good evening to you, Nancy. Very good evening. GRACE: Sometimes, when? Name me one case. I love it when you defense
attorneys go well, there are cases that blah, blah, blah, blah.
MAZZARIELLO: Nancy, you have --
GRACE: But you never can name one.
MAZZARIELLO: You had a doctor on that just said that it`s not unusual --
GRACE: I`m asking you.
MAZZARIELLO: Well, I -- I know for a fact of several suicides where they used to --
GRACE: Name one.
MAZZARIELLO: I`m not at liberty to do that, Nancy. But they use their opposite hand and we`ve done many homicides where there was no blood on the
hand. None. Not a trickle. And if there was blood, why didn`t the cops act on it immediately?
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GRACE: She`s found dead. It`s believed to be a suicide. She`s found with a gun in her left hand. Problem, she`s right-handed.
To Joe Marusak, "Charlotte Observer," where was her right hand when they found her?
MARUSAK: They don`t actually say. I`m looking at the autopsy now as we speak. But that they seem to have focused when they mentioned all of these
about her left hand. They mentioned the left hand all the time. And that there would --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know, I wonder if her right hand is going to be under her pillow, which would preclude the theory that Dr. Dupre had floated about
using her right hand to bolster her left hand, which really doesn`t make sense here.
Elaine Harmon, joining me now, close friend of Sarah`s for many, many years.
Elaine, I`d like to hear your thoughts on your friend allegedly committing suicide.
ELAINE HARMON, CLOSE FRIEND OF VICTIM: There is no way Sarah would have ever taken her own life. She loved life. She was the kind of person that
made plans and had desires in her life that were -- they were beautiful. They were always aimed towards helping other people.
GRACE: You know, it`s interesting that now I understand that her will was changed, Pat Lalama, and she apparently suddenly left everything to the
boyfriend that reported her missing in action?
LALAMA: Absolutely, Nancy, look, here`s the thing. Yes, there are no suspects named and there are no persons of interest, but there are some
very curious matters here. He told police, and he showed them documents that said hey, she`s got almost a million in assets and she claims it comes
to me.
GRACE: Whoa. OK. We`ll be right back with the story but now "CNN HEROES."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve deployed to Afghanistan three times. We head out and spend hours on guard. We come back and the dogs would be so excited to
see us. You forget that you`re halfway across the world in a desert with hostile things going on.
PEN FARTHING, FORMER ROYAL MARINE, CNN HERO: In every single street corner in Kabul you`ll find stray dogs. Looking after a dog or a cat does relieve
stress in daily lives and so it holds true for U.S. soldiers as well.
When I was serving in Afghanistan, I actually thought it was quite unique in looking after this dog, but I was wrong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we came close to leaving, I knew that I didn`t want to leave them behind.
FARTHING: To date now, the organization has actually rescued over 650 dogs or cats who are serving soldiers from around the world.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.
FARTHING: Also, we helped the stray animals out in the streets. There was a big problem with rabies. They`re not just helping the animal rules, they
are helping the Afghan people.
When we get a call from the soldier, we have to get the dog from wherever the soldier is in Afghanistan to our shelter in Kabul. We`ll neuter or
spray the dog and we vaccinate it against a variety of diseases. Then the animal starts his journey from Kabul to the soldier`s home country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I pulled Cadence outside of the crate, you know, I was just so excited. I was even more excited that she remembered me. I
can`t believe that they`re here. She`s been such a help. She`s a huge part of the transition being easier for me.
FARTHING: If I never have met Nowzad in the first place, none of this would have happened. You know, my connection with Afghanistan stayed alive
because of Nowzad so for me, every time I look at him, just makes me smile.
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GRACE: She is found apparently dead from suicide, but then, uh-oh, wrong hand holding the gun.
To Dr. Charles Sophy, psychiatrist and medical director at L.A. County Department of DFCS, author of "Side by Side". You know, then we find out
she has mysteriously changed her will, leaving behind almost $1 million to none other than the boyfriend. How does the family -- how will a family
deal with all of this, as justice slowly moves forward?
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, L.A. COUNTY DEPT. OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES: Well, I think it`s important for them to understand, they`re going to feel
guilty, did they miss some signs, was there some domestic violence going on in this family? Because this guy clearly is spilling too much information
too soon. There`s a lot of red flags and there`s a lot of questions that people are going to say, should we have seen something to help her?
Because oftentimes in cases of domestic violence, the victim is quiet.
GRACE: You know, she lived alone, Dr. Sophy, and she would take her dog on walks four or five times a day. But if she killed herself three days
before, her dog was found right beside her body. He wasn`t hungry, wasn`t thirsty, he was absolutely fine. The tie between her and her dog is coming
into play, Dr. Sophy.
SOPHY: And it should because someone who cares about their animal, obviously by the behavior she`s shown in the care, would not leave and
abandon their animal like that. So it was not a prepared situation, it looks like it was something that was forced upon her.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Hi, Max, what`s your question?
MAX, CALLER FROM FLORIDA (via-phone): Nancy, the boyfriend is so forthcoming. I hate to say that this is an open and shut case, but he
should be begging the police to get him a lie detector test. Shouldn`t he? I mean the --
GRACE: Well, you know, sometimes those backfire, but good point, Max. You`d expect that he would be trying to clear himself.
To Elaine Harmon, let`s follow up on what Max just said. How long had she been with the new boyfriend?
HARMON: A matter of a couple of months and she never would have left her money to that man. She had a mentally challenged brother, Rusty, that she
wanted to set up some type of thing for him so that in case something ever happened to her, he would be taken care of and not in the state`s care.
She never would have left a stranger her money.
GRACE: Elaine, question. Has the will already been administered? Is it a done deal by now?
HARMON: It can`t be, for my knowledge of wills. There`s a question (INAUDIBLE) murdered or not.
GRACE: About the death.
Let`s stop and remember, American Hero, Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew Axelson, just 29, Cupertino in California. Purple Heart, Navy
Cross, a Navy building named in his honor. Parents Cordell and Donna, brother Jeff, widow Cindy.
Matthew Axelson, American hero.
And tonight, happy birthday to Oklahoma friend, Ruby, a dairy farmer most of her life, 104 years old. Secret to life? Hard work.
Everyone, Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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