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Nancy Grace
Killer Carjackers in St. Louis; Bidding War Rape Revenge
Aired January 14, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live St. Louis, a man and his girlfriend at a St. Louis museum attacked by carjackers. When he tries
to stop them, the killer carjackers gun him down in front of the museum, in front of his girlfriend. Tonight, we analyze the clues they leave behind.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say Christman was shot in a parked car. Bobby Christman was trying to fend off a suspect trying to steal the purse
of his friend in the back seat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect had fired a single shot, striking that passenger in the back of the head.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A great guy, I mean, just a great man.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, San Diego suburbs. Authorities say a local woman voted mother of the year becomes so angry after another couple outbids her
on a dream home, she actually creates fake sex ads on line, pretending she`s the one asking strange men to break into her home, rape her while she
screams no.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was voted one of the best mothers in the year in San Diego.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors say a 53-year-old mom fell in love with a home so badly, she repeatedly harassed the home owners inside.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was just playing around on the Internet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the ads spoke of rape fantasies and allegedly solicited rape.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Sioux Falls, a school girl last seen in the school building disappears. Tonight, where is Faith?
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We go live to St. Louis, a man and his girlfriend at a St. Louis museum attacked by vicious carjackers. When he tries to
stop them, the killer carjackers gun him down right in front of his girlfriend, right in front of the museum.
Tonight, we analyze the clues they leave behind. He tries to defend his girlfriend. He`s left dead right there in public. These carjackers
are vicious! They are murderous. And they are on the loose. We have reason to believe this is not the first time they have struck.
Straight out to Colin Jeffery, KTRS. What do we know, Colin?
COLIN JEFFERY, KTRS (via telephone): Well, there`s still no suspects in custody. And you alluded to it there. The car that these gentlemen may
have used in this recent crime, in which they shot the recent high school graduate of St. Louis -- they may have stolen that, you know, in the recent
history here. That may be something they stole.
GRACE: Something you said is really jumping out at me, Colin. It`s very difficult for me to believe this young guy gets gunned down in plain
view in front of a museum, a public museum, defending his girlfriend. We`ve got a bead on their car, a car that they actually stole earlier. And
we don`t know anything about it?
And excuse me. Matt Zarrell, it`s also hard for me to believe that there`s not a single surveillance video? I mean, this is a public museum.
This is a public street. I mean, they are gunning people down with impunity. They`re not even afraid they`re going to get caught, Matt.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, we`re waiting, Nancy, because police may release surveillance video because from
our view, there are a number of cameras right in the area of where the shooting took place. It is possible that the shooting was recorded, and
the police are just holding that for investigatory purposes.
GRACE: OK, joining me right now, retired LAPD police sergeant Cheryl Dorsey. Cheryl, it`s so great to have you with us. I mean, when you`re a
manhunt -- we know these thugs have carjacked before. We know they`ve stolen before. We know that they are lethal and deadly. They gunned this
man down right in front of his girlfriend, right in front of public museum, and they`re out there.
So what is the benefit of holding back the video?
CHERYL DORSEY, RETIRED LAPD POLICE SERGEANT: Well, you know, Nancy, thank you for having me on the show. And sometimes it`s best to not tip
your hand and let the suspects know that you`re on to them, if you`re pursuing them. And so I believe that there`s probably some information
that we`re not privy to. And the officers, the detectives are doing to do a thorough investigation. And when it makes sense, they`ll release the
information that they may need to further along that investigation.
GRACE: What`s disturbing me about it, Cheryl Dorsey from LAPD police, former sergeant, is that every minute that passes, there could be another
victim. That`s what`s concerning me tonight. I know this is not their first crime because the car they pulled up in -- let`s see a shot of that,
please, Liz. Everybody, tip line is 866-371-8477.
We already know that they have committed crimes before. This car was stolen, possibly carjacked. What does carjacked mean?
Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Peter Odom, Anne Bremner, Peter Odom, defense out of D.C., Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of
Seattle. Carjack means, Anne Bremner, when you physically force a person out of their car, typically with a gun, and you take the car. Now, they
show up in this silver Sebring that`s stolen, most likely carjacked. And when they try and attack this woman, the man defends her, he`s shot dead.
Now, what are we waiting on to release more of the video if there are photos?
ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, for one thing, there`s always exemptions from public disclosure, Nancy, you know, on giving out any kind
of videos of any kind of a crime while the investigation is ongoing. And I think what the detective said is right. You don`t want to give in to these
people and give them ideas about their being caught.
But the fact of the matter is, there`s probably a lot more evidence. Right now, everybody`s a suspect and nobody`s a suspect. It`s wide open,
but I`m sure they`ve got it narrowed down by virtue of the evidence.
GRACE: OK, Peter Odom, thoughts.
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Nancy, if the police have that video, if they thought that it would help protect the public, they would
release it. So I don`t think they`re releasing it to keep thing -- remember that their job primarily is to protect the public, not to inform
the public.
So the key thing here is that they have the car that they know was involved in a carjacking. You know that car is going provide a wealth of
forensic evidence, but it takes time to analyze that. So that`s what we`re waiting for. That`s going to yield DNA evidence...
GRACE: Well, you know, I appreciate...
ODOM: ... trace evidence and gun evidence.
GRACE: ... that. I appreciate that. I really do. But right now, these guys have struck before. They`re going to strike again, all right?
They attack this guy and his girlfriend sitting in the car. He tries to stop them. He`s gunned down dead. And they are out there! They are out
there.
Look at this guy. What if this guy is your son? What if this is your brother, gunned down in the street in front of the museum? Take a look at
Robert Christman, shot in the head trying to protect his girlfriend.
Back to Colin Jeffrey, KTRS. What leads, if any, do we have?
JEFFERY: Well, we have the car now. But that same night later on Sunday evening, police managed to trace the car. They actually exchanged
gunfire with suspects, but then they ran into a part of down that has some abandoned lots and dilapidated buildings, and the officers didn`t feel
comfortable pursuing them. So again, we...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait! Back it up. Colin Jeffery, what did you say?
JEFFERY: The officers exchanged fire with the suspects, and then the suspects took off on foot into a different part of town that actually has
some dilapidated buildings, abandoned lots, and they didn`t feel comfortable pursuing them in there. This is something we`ve had happen
before in the St. Louis area. In the county, actually, we had an officer who was pursuing a burglary suspect, and that suspect managed to ambush the
officer and shot and paralyzed him just a couple years ago.
GRACE: So hold on. Hold on. Let -- let me just take one thing at a time. So Colin Jeffrey, these people actually shoot at the police, as
well?
JEFFERY: Yes, they shot at police later that Sunday evening after police found this stolen Sebring. They managed to track that down in
another part of the city.
GRACE: Let`s analyze what we`re going to get off the Sebring. Peter Odom, Anne Bremner, also with me, psychologist Caryn Stark and Dr. Joye M.
Carter.
All right, Peter, between the three of us and you and myself, we`ve tried hundreds and hundreds of cases. Let`s talk about -- take your
defense hats off just for a moment...
ODOM: OK.
GRACE: ... what we`re going to learn from that Sebring. Show it again, Liz, please. Tip line, everybody, 866-371-8477. All right, go,
Peter.
ODOM: There`s going to be a wealth of physical evidence in there. There will be fingerprints. There will be shell casings. There will be
bodily fluids. There will be trace evidence. There might be clothing, at a minimum. There also might be other things that they left behind,
documents, wallets. There might even be a gun in there, Nancy.
GRACE: You know, from what I can tell, they took their guns with them because they opened fire on police.
Let`s see a look at the victim. Anyone, if you recognize this young man, Robert Bobby Christman, outside of St. Louis museum, gunned down when
he tries to protect his girlfriend from carjackers -- they are on the loose tonight, and police are saying they`ve got no leads whatsoever. You can
gun this guy down in the street and get away with it? Then they open fire on police.
This is a death penalty case, and I`m telling you why. Number one, they`re in a stolen car, most likely carjacked. That`s their MO. Number
two, they gun down Christman. Number three, they shoot at cops.
Give me a reason why, Anne Bremner, this should not be a death penalty case.
BREMNER: Well, I mean, depending upon the particulars of the statute. There`s not more than one person that`s dead. You shoot at cops, it`s not
a death penalty case, it`s simply -- unless you shoot and kill them. And so -- and then with the carjacking, if they`re covering up another crime,
it could be death penalty. So there`s a few arguments, Nancy. They could basically make an argument against giving the death penalty or asking for
it in this case.
GRACE: Joining me right now is a very good friend of the victim gunned down in the street in front of the museum. With me is Aaron Clite.
Aaron, thank you for being with us.
AARON CLITE, FRIEND OF VICTIM (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. How`re you doing?
GRACE: I`m fine. What are you learning, what are you hearing, in anything, from the authorities?
CLITE: You know, I just want to (INAUDIBLE) actually want to thank St. Louis Police Department. I think they`ve done an amazing job thus far,
you know, the site (ph) and given the circumstances that they had to work with. You know, what I was told from a top -- or from a producer here from
a local news station was to interview the chief of police here in St. Louis and said that this was the highest priority case that he`s seen in a long
time here in St. Louis.
So these guys are absolutely dedicated to catching these guys, and these guys are truly menaces to society to actually do this, to commit such
heinous crimes, and to just top it all off, the shooting at police officers. I mean, it`s just -- the loss of words that you have for
somebody who`s going to just strip somebody of their life like that without caring, you know, is truly unremarkable (sic) and just -- I have no words
for it.
GRACE: Aaron, I understand that you are hearing that there. I also believe that Christman`s brother was in the car? Is that correct?
CLITE: Yes. It was...
GRACE: What did the brother say?
CLITE: You know, at the time when I was -- at the time when I saw him, there`s just not -- there`s not much you can say, you know, to
somebody who`s witnessed such a horrific event in their life.
You know, the job that we have now is just to be there for him and to support him and to support his family through this difficult time, you
know? It`s just truly -- words -- you can`t find words to even say to somebody.
About the -- you know, he told me it just -- it happened so fast. They didn`t really get a great look at the person, you know? And it just -
- they were -- they were both -- the woman and his brother -- they were just in shock.
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GRACE: And now we go life to the San Diego suburbs. Authorities say a local woman voted mother of the year becomes so angry after another
couple outbids her on a dream home, she actually creates fake sex ads on line, pretending she`s the wife and asking strange men to break into her
home, rape her as she screams no.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors say 53-year-old Kathy Rowe allegedly posted on-line ads pretending to be a woman who purchased Rowe`s dream
home...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say Rowe posted a Craigslist ad encouraging men to break into the house and rape the home owner`s wife.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Enticing men to come to her home, force themselves through the door and onto the victim and have sex with her while she
screamed no.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Candace Trunzo joining us from Dailymail.com. You know, I`ve been looking at the actual ads. This woman, she was voted
mother of the year. And she gets herself set -- her heart is set on buying a dream home. She bids. She gets outbid. And what does she do?
According to police, she goes on line, Candace, and orders a hit, a rape, of the woman that outbid her for the dream home. Yes.
Now, I want you to listen to some of the ads. "I love to be surprised and have a man just show up at my door and force his way in the door and
force himself on me, totally taking me while I scream no." All right? That`s what she writes to one of the men who respond to her posting.
She says also -- she`s talking to these men on line. She says, "Come by any Monday, Friday 9:00 to 3:00. I like the element of surprise."
What?
Explain to me, Candace, what happened. And Liz, I got to see the dream house. Show me everything you got on a house that`s worth ordering
another woman to be raped. OK, that`s the dream house? I mean, it`s nice, but -- well, OK, it does have a pool. But still.
OK, go ahead, Candace.
CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Kathy Rowe felt that this was the house she needed. She has a husband who just had a heart
attack. She has a daughter who is incapacitated. And this was the home that she had her heart set on. She was outbid on it. And rather than just
take it, swallow it, move on, she did an incredible -- incredibly horrible thing to this couple, I mean, not only putting up these ads that solicited
sex, solicited rape -- Fulfill my sex rape fantasy -- but she...
GRACE: Wa-wait! Wa-wait! I didn`t know that part. Fulfill my sex rape fantasy? That was one of the ads?
TRUNZO: Yes. These are the ads, Fulfill my sex fantasy, rape me, fulfill my sex fantasy. Unbelievable. And she called it her Carmel Valley
freak show. Come join my Carmel Valley freak show. Come -- come -- come to my house, you know, break in. I`ll shout no, but rape me. And this is
what this woman is alleged to -- Kathy Rowe is alleged to have done to the couple who outbid her for a home.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us, Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of Seattle, Peter Odom, defense lawyer out of Washington, D.C.
OK, Anne Bremner, to you. This is not just an ad to the general public. The woman, the mother of the year, all right -- she starts communicating
with various men on line that answer the ad.
OK, here -- one of the men responds -- "Have you had much experience with anal sex?" She asks the man that. "Do you enjoy it?" She`s ordering
a rape on another woman, soliciting anal sex, forced anal sex on the other woman because she outbid her on a home? Really? I want to hear your
defense.
BREMNER: Well, she`s really only guilty of cyber-stalking. She`s impersonating somebody else on the Web. You know, do you want to punish
her for what she`s thinking or what she`s doing? Criminal requires (INAUDIBLE) mens rea (INAUDIBLE) and...
GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wait! Wa-wait!
BREMNER: (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: Anne? Anne?
BREMNER: Yes? Yes, Nancy?
GRACE: I truly appreciate you slinging around all the Latin phrases that we learned back in law school.
(LAUGHTER)
BREMNER: Right. Right.
GRACE: But really, our viewers and juries and basically every other person...
BREMNER: Right.
GRACE: ... on the planet really doesn`t care that lawyers speak Latin.
BREMNER: I know.
GRACE: OK, so let`s get right down to it. You`re saying let`s have her plead guilty to what she did.
BREMNER: Right.
GRACE: She went on line, Peter Odom...
ODOM: Yes.
GRACE: ... and ordered a rape...
ODOM: She was...
GRACE: ... on a woman -- on a woman...
ODOM: Yes.
GRACE: ... that outbid her. Now, didn`t you -- you just sold a home and you just bought a home, did you not?
ODOM: I did.
GRACE: You relocated to D.C.
ODOM: I did.
GRACE: All right.
ODOM: And let me tell you something, Nancy...
GRACE: So you didn`t -- didn`t someone outbid you on your first try? Right? Remember that?
ODOM: We lost several homes. We lost several homes. I mean, here`s my take on this...
GRACE: So I mean, this woman orders a rape and an anal rape of the other woman? Really?
ODOM: Let me put it this way. She was mom of the year, but now she`s stalker of the year. And what she did exactly, Nancy, was she put out an
ad on line in the name of the people that outbid her, saying, Come to my house and help me fulfill my rape fantasy, to try and get people that would
come to the house to have sex that would...
GRACE: I know that.
ODOM: ... that would think that it was a fantasy. So...
GRACE: I just told you that.
ODOM: Right. So I mean...
GRACE: I`m asking you what`s the defense.
ODOM: She -- well, the defense is that you try and -- first of all, this woman probably will be able to stay out of prison. This is his first
offense.
GRACE: OK, are you going to...
ODOM: It`s basically a -- let me -- let me...
GRACE: ... tell me a defense, or do I have to make one up...
ODOM: Nancy...
GRACE: ... and spoon feed you?
ODOM: Nancy, you asked the question. Let me answer it. She`s going to try and minimize her punishment. They have her -- they have her -- lots
of evidence against her.
GRACE: Yes!
ODOM: They have electronic evidence and they have handwriting evidence. So they`re going to prove this case. Her best shot is to try
and stay out of jail by showing that this is an anger management problem and not necessarily having criminal intent. That`s what the defense...
GRACE: Put them up, please.
ODOM: ... is going to be.
GRACE: Put them up. Put them up!
ODOM: Now, you many not like that, Nancy, but...
GRACE: Here`s more of what...
(CROSSTALK)
ODOM: I`m telling you that`s where the defense is coming from.
GRACE: "Once in a while, my husband drops by to see if he can catch me in the act. He knows about my men, that I have to get "f"ed at least
once a day, sometimes more. He just can`t do that anymore. Don`t worry, he won`t intrude. If we want him to join, he will. Are you into
threesomes? He will do my A-S-S." And he goes on and on and -- she goes on and on and on.
You know what? Anne and Peter, let`s go to Caryn Stark, psychologist. Caryn, I hear Anne Bremer giggling. But you know what? Imagine this,
Caryn. Imagine you at home, OK? Imagine. And this guy, thinking he`s fulfilling a rape fantasy, comes through your door or your window or
however. And the more you scream no, the more he thinks he`s going along with your sex fantasy.
OK. Now, if you can`t put yourself in those shoe, imagine your mother or your sister. And then you find out that this woman set whole thing up
because she couldn`t buy the house she wanted?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, this woman is enjoying what she`s doing. She was clearly enjoying it. And perhaps this is even her own
fantasy because she went into such detail.
We also see that she`s extremely clever and manipulative because she makes it sound like this person is going to say no out of the fantasy. If
someone were to go there and rape them, then they would just hear the no`s and assume it was part of what they were doing. So she covered everything.
This is a very evil, scary person, like the most dangerous insane mother of the year.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was her dream home, but another couple beat her to the punch and they bought the home instead. In retaliation,
prosecutors say Rowe harassed and stalked new home owners, had tons of magazines and junk mail sent to their home. But worse...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Allegedly posing as the wife on line and posing that she wants to be raped.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Can you even imagine doing this? This woman, elected mother of the year, gets so angry when another couple outbids her on her dream
home, she goes on line and posts all sorts of horrible ads on the couple that got the home, on the woman, who I believe is also a mother, claiming
that she wants her rape fantasy fulfilled, her anal sex -- her forced anal sex fantasy fulfilled, to break into the home and that the more she screams
no, the more she wants the man to continue raping her.
And this was not just a blanket ad. She was actually communicating with men that were responding to the fake ad.
Stacey Newman, also on the story, it wasn`t just that. Didn`t she do something like send Valentines -- Valentines to ladies in the neighborhood
from the woman`s husband?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, from what we understand, she sent Valentine`s Day cards to at least eight of the neighbors in the
husband`s name. She also bombarded this couple with catalogs in the mail. She set up firework giveaway ads so people would show up at the home. And
the sex ad, Nancy, at least one man actually came to the home.
GRACE: Okay. I didn`t know that part. Michelle Southern joining me. Did you hear what Stacey just said? Michelle Southern, assistant news
director, LRN. You mean one of the men showed up at the home, Michelle?
MICHELLE SOUTHERN, LRN: One of the men actually answered the ad that had been posted. And it was very specific about the time that he was to
show up. And it even said I like to be surprise raped. My husband won`t be home, so force your way in, force yourself on me. And even if I say no,
I want you to keep going. And yes, the same man responded to the ad and did in fact show up to the house two times.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was voted one of the best mothers of the year in San Diego.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors say 53-year-old mom fell in love with a home so badly, she repeatedly harassed the home owners inside.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was just playing around on the Internet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the ad spoke of rape fantasies and allegedly solicited rape.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: For those of you just joining us, this woman, Kathy Rowe, has been voted mother of the year in her community, at her school. And she
gets so angry when this home, three bedrooms, two and a half baths, pool, garden. She is outbid on the home. She can`t buy the home. She gets so
angry at the couple that actually buys the home that she goes online and she sets up a rape revenge. Posing as the couple -- the wife, posing as
her, claiming she wants to be raped. She wants to be anally sodomized, and the more she screams and begs for the person to stop, the more she wants
them to rape her. She gives the address. She details her rape/sex fantasy, exactly what she wants to happen. Men actually show up at the
lady`s home to rape her.
Now, you heard the defense. Quote, she was just playing around on the Internet. Unleash the lawyers. Ann Bremner, Seattle, Peter Odom,
Washington, D.C. Ann Bremner, if she`s just playing around on the Internet, then why is it she`s having ongoing communications with these
men? She`s going on and on about when to show up, exactly what she wants them to do to this unsuspecting female victim. That is not just playing
around on the Internet.
BREMNER: What I was talking about before, Nancy, in the Latin terms, which basically are act and intent in criminal law, mens rea and actis rea.
It`s like what we talked about. She doesn`t do anything really beyond this communication. And what idiot goes over to the house ready to commit a
crime? One guy went over there twice.
GRACE: Put her up, please. Put her up. What do you mean what idiot shows up at the house? What idiot puts this online and orders a rape on
another lady?
BREMNER: A, it doesn`t make you a criminal. The fact of the matter is --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: But it is criminal.
BREMNER: It is criminal on the stalking, yes, it is, Nancy. But it is not criminal in terms of attempt or solicitation. What substantial step
did she take to go out and make this rape happen?
GRACE: She posted it online.
BREMNER: Posted it on the Internet, fine, but she doesn`t do anything else. She doesn`t lead the guy over there or participate in any kind of
rape.
GRACE: I don`t know what you`re saying. What do you mean? She gave him directions and an address.
BREMNER: She did not participate. She did not take any substantial steps.
GRACE: Do you have one of these? It`s an iPhone.
BREMNER: I do.
GRACE: And if you go to the maps and put in the address, it gives you directions. She told him how to get there.
BREMNER: Fine. Is that a substantial step towards rape? I don`t think so.
GRACE: OK. Peter Odom. All three of us, regardless of how we want to portray this, all went to law school. We`ve all tried conspiracy cases.
ODOM: I went to law school a long time ago, Nancy.
BREMNER: Me too.
GRACE: I don`t know why you keep giggling.
ODOM: I remember parts of it.
GRACE: This is not even remotely humorous.
ODOM: No, it`s not humorous.
GRACE: What I`m talking about, even in a conspiracy, you need one overt act. Her typing this in on the computer and engaging in
communications, conversations with men to give them the details of the rape, the exact location, the times to show up, the men are showing up at
the door.
ODOM: Except Nancy, that the men wouldn`t have been thinking they were committing a crime. It wouldn`t have been a conspiracy.
GRACE: I`m not talking about them. I`m talking about her, mother of the year?
ODOM: Here is the more novel theory, Nancy. What if someone had come over to commit this rape and the husband would have been home and killed
him, which he would have been justified in doing. In the middle of a rape. Now, mother of the year could be charged under California law with felony
murder.
GRACE: Absolutely.
ODOM: And she`s lucky something like that didn`t happen. And that is her only shot.
GRACE: Peter, you and Eleanor have lived in some very -- well, they have been high crime areas.
ODOM: Big cities.
GRACE: I`ve lived there too. And long story short, it is a miracle that that didn`t happen. Because this one guy showed up at the lady`s home
two times.
ODOM: And couldn`t get in the gate.
GRACE: And I know for a fact if somebody broke into the house and tried to attack your wife, you would kill them. As you should. So, you
know, all this talk about she didn`t really do anything wrong, I don`t know what you two are saying.
ODOM: Well, hold up. I didn`t say that, Nancy. I said that her best defense is to show that nothing bad did happen as a result and to throw
herself at the mercy of the court. That is different than saying she`s just playing around and didn`t intend anything.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Right. Throwing herself at the mercy of the court.
Candace Trunzo, Dailymail.com. It didn`t end there. She tried so many ways to sabotage this family. She said something about the Carmel
Valley freak show, offering adult entertainment of all types while the victim`s husband is not home. Basically inviting every perv in Carmel
Valley to show up at the home. Now that home has been online. The address is public. That`s some dream house, Candace.
TRUNZO: She put this couple through hell, Nancy. For 10 months she insulted (ph) them in every way possible. Not only in terms of this online
plea for this fantasy of rape fulfilled, but in so many other ways. She put the house on the market. She listed the victim`s home for sale. She
had a thousand dollars worth of unsolicited magazines and books and junk mail sent to their home. She had the county assessors office contact them
about reassessing the home. She had religious groups come visit the home. There was no stone unturned in what this woman did to a couple who simply
outbid her for a home.
GRACE: You know, Michelle Southern, one thing that is very upsetting to me about this is in the end -- in the end on this, a recommendation was
made for straight probation. This woman should not have straight probation. Probation and the request is that she stay away from the
couple? I mean, that is the best they`ve got?
SOUTHERN: Yes. She actually, you know, pled guilty to stalking. So all the felony charges on solicitation for rape, solicitation for sodomy
were dismissed. And she simply has to stay away from them for ten years. And five years probation and electronic surveillance.
GRACE: Caryn Stark, now that you hear the whole thing, of all the misery she`s heaped on this woman, do you think there is any way she can
stay away from her? Do you think that is even a practical solution?
STARK: Well, how about the fact, Nancy, that this woman thinks that she`s okay, that this was an aberration, and she really needs help. And I
don`t hear that they have said she needs to go get any kind of help. It`s awful and she won`t stay away from her in answer to your question.
GRACE: I really think, Peter Odom and Ann Bremner, we`ve all had to handle stalking cases. I really -- I don`t think it is safe for this
couple to live in that home. I don`t. Because this was a campaign against the woman that lasted for months and months and months. She was obsessed
with this couple. You really think if a judge says okay now, stay away -- you really think -- and the two of you having tried stalking cases, do you
really think that`s going to work, Peter Odom? You really think saying, ok, stay away, that`s going to work?
ODOM: Nancy, ultimately she is going to have to be ordered to stay away. Whether it will work or not, I mean, there are too many tragedies
that have unfolded in the aftermath of these things. What I don`t like about this sentence, and I think her defense attorney did a great job. It
should have contained an anger management component, and it didn`t. She clearly has anger management issues.
GRACE: It needs to have a jail component. That is the component missing.
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GRACE: Yesterday we posted this photo to our Facebook and Twitter asking you to guess the color of Scott Peterson`s hair the day he`s
arrested for murder. You sent us answers using #crimeiq. Answer, blonde. Congratulations, Missouri Facebook friend Gracie Anderson. You got it
right. Hopefully we`ll be able to stump you guys next time around. And help us crack this case tonight. The search is on for 33-year-old AIG
executive Omar Meza, last seen at the J.W. Marriott Desert Springs resort and spa. That was Thursday night after a company dinner. Here is what you
can do. Go to Facebook, go to Twitter, share this photo of Omar with your friends, with everybody you know, and please, help us spread the word and
bring him home.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A young girl was dropped off at school by her mom and never returned home. Faith McShane was dropped off at school, and when
her mom went to pick her up for a snow related early dismissal, she was nowhere to be found.
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GRACE: Right now, live to Sioux Falls, a schoolgirl last seen in the school building disappears. Tonight, where is Faith? Right off the bat
let me give you the tip line. 605-367-7212. This Sioux Falls little girl is missing. That is everybody`s worst nightmare. You drop your children
at school. You go back to get them. They are not there. How can you disappear within the school? How can nobody know what happened to Faith?
And it is not just the mother`s word that she dropped her off. School surveillance shows her in the school hall that morning. So she went into
school.
This is not like other cases we`ve handled where the parents say they dropped the child off and nobody can confirm that. That is not right.
This little girl, Faith McShane, is dropped off. She is spotted in the school on surveillance. She`s never seen again. Tip line, 605-367-7212.
And joining me right now, special guest, Faith`s mother. Theresa McShane is with us. Ms. McShane, first, our prayers are going on that Faith be
brought home safely. Okay, I was thinking about Faith this morning when I took my children to school. And I watched them walk in the door. And I
thought about you this morning. Tell us what happened the morning that you dropped Faith off at school.
THERESA MCSHANE, MOTHER: It was a typical morning. I woke her up. She didn`t really want to get up. She got ready for school. Asked me to
drive her to school because she was going to pick up her bus pass. I gave her her bus money. Dropped her off at school. She gave me a hug, told me
she loves me. Not unusual. We say that every time we let our kids off that we love them. Have a great day, make good choices. I`m not sure I
said make good choices that morning. But that`s our typical thing that we say. And then we get -- yes, yes, I make good choices.
And I watched her go into the school. The school surveillance has her going up to her locker. Dropping off her coat and her bus money in the
locker. She kind of mingles a little bit, walks out of the school and because there was a blizzard going on, you can`t see on the camera what
happens. But there`s three vehicles that are out front. As those vehicles are leaving, Faith disappears off camera. We can`t confirm which vehicle
she got into, if she got into one. We can`t even see if she got into one.
GRACE: Everyone, joining me is Theresa McShane, the mother of missing Faith. Please help us bring this girl home. Tip line, 605-367-7212. Look
at her. Look at her. She`s 5`6, long brown hair, hazel eyes. She had on a little sweatshirt with a hoodie, black in color and her jeans. Without a
coat.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Faith`s parents are concerned that she could be in danger. Faith doesn`t have a cell phone or debit card with her. Family
members, friends and police need your help. Where is Faith McShane?
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GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids foundation. This is your specialty. A witness states they saw the girl being forced
into a car in a parking lot. What does that say to you?
KLAAS: It tells me that something should have been done immediately. A couple of things stand out. First of all, the girl was not at school,
but it was hours before the mother found that out. That`s perfectly unacceptable in modern day America. As soon as it`s known that children
are not in school, the parents have to be notified immediately. There`s a variety of programs and ways to do that.
Secondly, if this girl was forced into a car, that should have been reported to the authorities immediately. The license plate number should
have been written down. This thing could have been resolved. If she`s gone for any other reason, it doesn`t even matter what the reason is, 15-
year-old girls face a number of dangers out alone on the streets, whether they are with somebody or by themselves. Life is not good for runaway
girls or girls who are for any other reason not with their families.
GRACE: You are right. Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host. A witness states that she saw the girl with a white male yelling at her,
forcing her into a car. What do you know?
MACK: Nancy, they are not sure that that was a positive identification of Faith. That`s come into question as to whether or not
that was Faith entirely. That would change the scope of the investigation. They are just trying to get some contact with her because they know she has
actually been able to manipulate some of her social media.
GRACE: Justin, what do we know about that?
FREIMAN: We know that none of her social media has actually been updated since she disappeared from school that very day.
GRACE: What did you say about the social media, Justin? Are you talking about her Facebook, her tweeting? What are you saying?
FREIMAN: That`s right. None of it has actually been updated since she disappeared. Nobody has heard or seen her.
GRACE: How is that manipulating? She hasn`t used her Facebook. She hasn`t been tweeting. Theresa, with me is Faith`s mother, Theresa McShane.
What are you -- what are police telling you about Faith?
MCSHANE: Well, as far as the social media, she has not been on it at all. They said that they base that on the fact that she was deleting
friends and she was having some trouble with friends at school. And she, on new year`s day, her younger sister says that she went through and
deleted anyone she did not feel was her friend. Her Facebook is still up. She has not been online. That`s what they are basing on the information
that she`s trying to avoid them.
GRACE: OK, so she has not been manipulating her tweeting or her Facebook. In fact, from what I`m hearing from the mom, her Facebook -- all
that has gone completely silent since she went missing. Won`t you please help us and help her mother get her girl back? Tip line 605-367-7212.
Let`s remember American hero, Army Specialist Robert R.J. Volker. 21, Big Spring, Texas. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Combat Action Badge, loved
playing the French horn, and sports. Parents, Robert and Melissa. Brother, Jonathan (inaudible). Widow, Martha. Robert Volker, American
hero. I will see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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