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Road Rage Murder Suspect Arrested

Aired February 19, 2015 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, to Vegas suburbs. A young mom of four teaching her daughter to drive when a car follows Mommy home,

opens fire because the driver feels he was wronged on the road. Tonight, Mommy dead, her family left in shambles. And a bizarre turn. The family

under fire when it emerges Mommy and son go looking for that road rager, the one that follows Mommy and her little girl home after an explosive

verbal attack on Mommy. Tonight, a grieving husband insisting, Our son`s a hero, not a vigilante. Vigilante? That`s bassackwards!

Bombshell tonight. A stunning standoff in Mommy`s own neighborhood, Mommy`s shooting suspect just taken into the custody. And during the whole

thing, we are on the phone with Daddy, who reveals stunning new details about the night of the shooting and the alleged perp.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suspect has been taken into custody a few minutes ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t want to hurt you. We just want to talk to you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pursuant to the road rage homicide that occurred. Suspect is en route to headquarters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s the animal, a block away!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. We are live in Vegas suburbs. A young mom of four teaching her daughter to drive, a car follows Mommy home after the driving

lesson and opens fire on Mommy because he feels he was wronged on the road.

In the last hours, that perpetrator, after a tense standoff, an armed standoff with police, has been taken into the custody. And during the

whole thing, we`re on the phone with Daddy, who reveals to us stunning details about the night of the shooting and the alleged perpetrator.

What we have learned from the father is the man just taken into custody was a neighbor, that he knew Tammy Meyers. We have obtained this photo of him.

He knew the mother. She had been a mentor of his. The father, Robert Meyers, tells me that she had taken him under her wing, had gone for long

walks in the park with their dogs, had brought him into the family home, fed him meals, trying to get him out of trouble, tried to save him.

That explains it all. Mommy was acting that night out of fear. She knew the perp. She knew he knew where she lived. She was afraid of him, the

father telling me that during that verbal altercation, he -- this man -- tells Mommy, I`m going to kill you, and goes back to his car. Mommy takes

off in fear that this guy is following her, in fear he`ll come to their home. She leaves her daughter there, gets the son. They take off to get

the car away from the home.

And sure enough, they see him. The father tells me this man, Erich Nowsch, Jr., fires at them. They don`t fire back. They race back home, not

knowing where to go. He pursues them and opens fire on Mommy. The son sees his mother shot dead in the front yard. The little girl sees her

mother`s body in the front yard.

Straight out to Sara Sidner, CNN correspondent joining us at the scene. Sara, what happened?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, what happened today is that just one street over from the home where Tammy Meyers, the mother

of four, was shot and killed, the police suddenly -- and we were here when they actually showed up -- started having a conversation with somebody

inside of a home that is literally walking distance from where the family lives. And they started talking to him, saying, Police, come out with your

hands up.

That went on for some time. They cordoned off more and more and more of the neighborhood, pushed people further and further back, knowing that this

is a situation where the person could have been armed. They were able to take him in. They have now charged him with three felonies, which include

felony murder, (INAUDIBLE) with a deadly weapon enhancement, attempted murder and deadly weapon enhancement, as well as discharge of a firearm

from or within a structure or vehicle within a prohibited area.

So we are now getting more details. Whereas before, police had said to us, Hey, this -- we cannot confirm -- we`re not going to confirm or deny

whether or not this person was responsible for the murder, for the killing of Tammy Meyers, it looks as though with these charges that, you know,

murder with a deadly weapon enhancement is one of the charges. So we have to look at what they`ve charged him with.

And it appears this is the person that they`ve been after. We also know, Nancy, that there were two other people in that car, according to police.

And so we were not sure as to whether or not this was the person who was the shooter or just in the car when all of this was going on. But now it

appears that he may have, indeed, been the shooter, the police making these felony charges.

We do need to explain a little bit about the discrepancies between what the family was saying initially and what police were saying. At first, we knew

nothing about the family, Tammy going out in the car with her son, who had grabbed his gun, to find this suspect who had scared her and her daughter

as she was giving her daughter a driving lesson. Police then mentioned that the second day, that, indeed, the family had gone out to track down

the suspect.

But she was clearly scared. And police made that very clear. She was scared. She was frightened for her family`s life. Her son wanted to

protect his mother, and so he jumped in the car with her.

And so we are waiting to talk again to the family to try and clarify some things because this family, as you know, Nancy, has been vilified in social

media. There`s a lot of folks just reporting what the police said, which has angered a lot of folks who said that, you know, this may have escalated

the situation, going and trying to track this person down.

Now knowing that the suspect may have been living just one street away, it explains why they were able to try and track this guy down because Vegas is

a big place, as you know, and they were able to find him. Again, we do not know though, Nancy, what happened in that second confrontation between this

family and the suspect -- Nancy.

GRACE: Everyone, with me is Sara Sidner, on the scene. She was there as the standoff went down. This has all occurred just before we go to air.

And what is so amazing -- to Chris Kudialis, breaking news reporter with "The Vegas Review-Journal," I was on the phone with the father, Robert

Meyers. And Chris, he was crying. He -- you could hear the daughter crying in the background very lowly (ph). He was telling me how his family

has been treated like a dog, like an animal, attacking his family! He told me that the mother knew this young man and she was afraid.

So she races back. She gets the car away from the home, leaves the girl at home, says, Baby, I love you, stay in the house, leaves to get the car away

from the home. They see the perp. He fires at them. They do not return fire. They come back home because they`re scared. He follows them. Her

belief was true, he was following them.

Also with us, in addition to Chris Kudialis, is neighbor Melissa Mours. Melissa, thank you for being with us.

MELISSA MOURS, NEIGHBOR (via telephone): Hi. How are you?

GRACE: Melissa this is just an incredible sequence of events. What can you tell us about Erich, Jr.?

MOURS: I`ve lived next door to him for about a year now. And as far as I`ve been able to tell, he seems OK. He seems like he`s run with a bad

group of kids, though. So with that, you know, bad stuff happens.

So I know he doesn`t have a job and he doesn`t drive a car. So I wouldn`t think that he was the one that`s driving. He doesn`t even have a license.

So you know, if he is -- I mean, they`re charging him with it, so I would think that he must have been a passenger if that`s the situation, you know?

GRACE: Well, let me ask you this. I know you said that you believe he ran with a bad crowd. But what do you know about him? I know he stayed home a

lot. I mean, I`m looking at the photos he`s posting of himself that ostensibly is of him with pot. Now, I don`t know -- I haven`t done a field

test of it, but that`s what it looks like, on his own Instagram. That looks like a blunt to me. And I know his mother, whom he lives, with just

had a baby. And the father...

MOURS: (INAUDIBLE) yes.

GRACE: Yes. The father, Robert Meyers, told me he`s known for days. He went over there, knocked on the door, and police told him...

MOURS: On Sunday, he did, yes.

GRACE: Yes. What do you know about that?

MOURS: On Sunday, he came and he was knocking at the door. I`m friends with the mother. She called me. She didn`t know who was at the door, and

she was asking me to find out. So I went and I peeked and I let her know. And she told them her son had been arrested that day, so he wasn`t at the

house. The police came and got him earlier.

And with that, I think they let him out Tuesday morning because he had court then. So between -- I think they were questioning him on the

situation because they already had some information from the Meyers family or whatnot. But the kid -- yes, I`ve smelled the pot and whatnot. So you

know -- I live right next door.

GRACE: So you could smell the pot coming from their house?

MOURS: Occasionally, yes. I mean, he`s...

GRACE: Well, was he in school?

MOURS: No. I think he`s 19, so he`s out of school.

GRACE: So 19 years old, no job, living at home with his mom, and you could smell pot wafting out of the house. What Mr. Meyers...

MOURS: No, not -- from the garage because...

GRACE: The garage.

MOURS: ... I know for sure that his mother was totally against it. And I`ve heard her yell at home before, she smelled it, and I`ve heard her just

-- What are you doing? That`s not allowed in my house, type of deal, you know? So...

GRACE: You know, what the father, Robert Meyers, Tammy`s husband, told me is that Tammy, the mom who was shot dead in the front yard, had tried to

help this guy, had tried to help Erich Nowsch, Jr., that she knew that he allegedly had these drug problems. She had taken him on long walks through

the park with their dogs. She had invited into their home and fed him meals and tried to talk to him about turning his life around.

And what`s so significant, Melissa Mours, to me about that is she knew who he was.

MOURS: Right.

GRACE: She knew that he knew where she lived and that he was following her and that he had just threatened to kill her.

MOURS: And that makes complete sense of why she left the house again. To me, I mean, I wouldn`t have stayed at the house, either. I would have left

and tried to get away from there so they wouldn`t have found me.

GRACE: You said that police had come and talked to him earlier this week, but they let him go?

MOURS: On Sunday, the police came, and they were blocking my driveway and whatnot. And then they found him around the corner and they arrested him.

They took him in, and he was in jail for a couple days. And so they let him out, I guess, on Tuesday because I heard him at home again on Tuesday.

So you know, like, in the past day or so, I didn`t hear anything. And then this afternoon, I was taking a nap, and all of a sudden, there was

helicopters and bullhorns and "Come out with your hands up," and I pretty much freaked out. I`m, like, What`s going on.

And I hear the name Erich. And I`m, like, Oh, God. OK, it`s the neighbors. I`m, like, What did I do, at first, you know? I`m, like

(INAUDIBLE) and yes, the -- then they were, like, We`re not going to hurt you. We just want to talk to you. We know you`re a kid. We know you`re

in the house. We just spoke to your mother. You know, We just need you to come out. We`re going to have to evacuate your neighbors. Within, like --

within five minutes they came and knocked on my door and said, you know, You need to come out of the house, and guns drawn, they walked out of this

house down to the park, which is, like (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: What`s so amazing also is the way this family of the murdered mom, Tammy Meyers, has been vilified on social media, reporters, talking heads,

that somehow, they`re the bad people. This mom of four was gunned down in the front yard! She was trying to get their car away from the home, so

this guy, Erich Nowsch, Jr., would not follow to the home with her little girl in the car and see that they were at the home. She was trying to

protect her family.

And somehow, the media and haters have twisted this around to make the mother somehow the bad person in this scenario. And I agree with the

father, whom I have just spoken with. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you all happy? You made my wife look like an animal, and my son! There`s the animal, a block away! Are you happy?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Breaking news now, just taken into the custody, the man accused of gunning down mom of four Tammy Meyers in a fit of road rage, during the

whole tense police standoff, an armed standoff in the neighborhood -- these are photos we have just obtained off of this guy, Erich Nowsch, Jr.`s,

Instagram. We`ve confirmed this is him. He`s 19 to 20 years old, lives -- what -- what is that? He`s smoking a blunt? What? So he lives in the

neighborhood where the Meyers family lived, which explains a lot.

This is what we know. To Chris Kudialis, breaking news reporter, "Vegas Review-Journal" -- for those people just joining us, this guy just taken

into custody in an armed standoff with police. He lives a block away from the victim where the mommy is gunned down in the front yard.

Chris Kudialis, what do we know?

CHRIS KUDIALIS, "LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL" (via telephone): Just that he lived, like you said, a block away and knew the family. He had a

relationship with the lady, Tammy Meyers, that he eventually gunned down. They were known to go on walks in a park at the end of the block. And she

actually had him into her home, often making meals for him, as well. So definitely a deep relationship here between the perp and Tammy Meyers.

GRACE: Joining me, Dr. Bill Lloyd, surgeon and pathologist. Dr. Lloyd, thank you so much for being with us. We know that she was shot in the

head. We know that she was placed on life support. Is there any chance -- I`m a layperson, just a JD. I don`t think there`s a chance, but is there

any chance that she was able to speak about what happened?

DR. BILL LLOYD, SURGEON, PATHOLOGIST: It seems unlikely, Nancy, with a gunshot wound to the head because think of the brain as the central

switchboard so many important body functions, like breathing and your circulation. A gunshot wound to the head causes a lot of tissue disruption

and hemorrhage and immediately disconnects that switchboard.

GRACE: Dr. Lloyd, we know that she was shot, we think, once in the head. What would have been her actual cause of death?

LLOYD: Well, everybody dies of cardiopulmonary arrest. Eventually, you stop breathing and your heart stops beating. But the direct cause, of

course, was the blunt trauma caused by the bullet wound itself. Many people get shot in the head, and amazingly, they can walk away from it.

But it`s all about real estate, Nancy. Where did that bullet go? It seems the track of this bullet was responsible for disconnecting her ability to

breathe and the ability to maintain a stable circulation.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you all happy? You made my wife look like an animal, and my son! There`s the animal, a block away! Are you happy?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: During the standoff and immediately after the arrest and at the time of the arrest, I was on the phone with the father, Robert Meyers, the

husband of the mom of four gunned down in the front yard, Tammy Meyers, distraught about the way he, his son, his family, his dead wife have been

vilified.

He tells me he has known for three days who the perpetrator was, has suspected for longer than that, but police asked him to remain silent and

not act on it. This after he goes and knocks on the guy`s door after talking to his daughter and learning who the alleged perp is.

Now, we also know, according to the father, who tells me there were other people in that car when Mommy was gunned down. Could they have been the

shooter? We`ll find out. But what we know right now is this guy -- he`s knocking on 20 years old, Erich Nowsch, Jr., charged with open (ph) murder,

attempted murder and discharging a firearm inside of a structural (ph) vehicle. This is him after a tense standoff with police.

To Pat Lalama, investigative reporter -- Pat, what more can you tell us about this guy?

PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, all we know is that while he was holed up in his house, his mother worried he might harm himself. No one

knew how many other pieces of gun or ammunition he may have had in his house. We do know he does not seem to have a job, really even have much

going on in his life.

But you know what`s really interesting? It sheds a new light on this scenario to me that Tammy did know him because she did know what he was

capable of. SO you know, the world, the social media went crazy, and they said, Oh, well, she went out looking for him. She was creating her own --

her own menace (ph). That seems not to be true. And she knew what he was capable of and was trying to protect herself and her family by drawing him

away from the house. And it makes you wonder, why would he get so mad about her daughter driving slowly when this woman has tried to help him?

GRACE: And what we know also, Chris Kudialis, news reporter of "Vegas Review-Journal" -- the father tells me mommy had tried to help this guy,

tried to help him get back on the straight and narrow, that he had had drug problems in the past. And here on his Instagram, he`s got picture after

picture after picture of him with weed, smoking weed, with weed. His neighbor, Melissa Mours, with us, tells us she heard the mom, his mom

saying, No, no we`re not having pot in this house. You are not doing this.

This mother, Tammy Meyers, tried to help him, brought him into the Meyers`s home, fed him meals, went on walks with him, talking about how he could

change his life. So when he gets out of car and tells her, I`m going kill you and your daughter, what does she do? What can she do, Chris Kudialis?

KUDIALIS: Well, I think in that case, Nancy, you have to call law authorities. You have to do something because, obviously, this was a kid

that was not completely, you know, doing the right things at all times. I actually spoke with witnesses out here on the scene who said he was

involved in drug dealing in a local park, did not finish his high school education, did not get a degree, so somebody who had a lot of problems in

his life. And when somebody threatens you like that, I think you have to call law authorities.

GRACE: Well, I tell you what, Chris Kudialis. That`s well and good. You`re right, she should have called police. Yes, she should have. But

with this guy that she knows on her tail, with her little girl in the car in fear -- you know, it`s easy to say woulda-coulda-shoulda, but I can say

this. As much as I feel bad for this young man, Mommy is dead, people! Mommy`s gunned down. She`ll never be back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suspect has been taken into custody a few minutes ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t want to hurt you. We just want to talk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pursuant to the road rage homicide that occurred. Suspect is en route to headquarters.

ROBERT MEYERS, VICTIM`S HUSBAND: There is the animal a block away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: That is father Robert Meyers in grief. I was on the phone with him. As it was announced the arrest had gone down. I could

hear his daughter in the background just heaving, crying. And he was trying to comfort her. At the time of the arrest. After a tense armed

standoff there in his own neighborhood.

Mr. Meyers tells me he`s known from the get-go who the perp was. Police asked him not to act on it. After he went to the door knocking on the

guy`s door to talk to him.

You are seeing shots right now of Erich Nowsch, Jr., 19 years old going on 20, who the father Robert Meyers tells me his wife, mommy, shot dead in the

front yard after this guy catches a fit of road rage and chases mommy down after she gives her girl a driving lesson at the public school about a half

a mile away.

This guy chasing them down, furious when the daughter toots the horn at him for going too fast. Threatens to kill them. Mommy races home to get the

daughter out of harm`s way in fear he was following them. She was right. Her son jumps in the car. They take off. And sure enough there he is.

According to the father, he or whomever is in that car with him starts firing at mommy. She`s so afraid they don`t fire back. She races back

home, gets out of the car, and it`s there she`s gunned down in her front yard.

Right now let`s go out to Chris Kudialis, breaking news reporter of "Vegas Review Journal." Also with me, Melissa Mours, the next-door neighbor.

Chris, I know that the father is the one who tells police, Robert Meyers, who this guy is. So why was this tense armed standoff to get him out of

house? What? They didn`t know if he had more guns in the house?

CHRIS KUDIALIS, REPORTER, LAS VEGAS REVIEW JOURNAL: Yes, that`s a great question, Nancy. According to witnesses on the scene the perpetrator was

involved in gangs here on this block called the Alta Block Gang. A popular gang here. And that he was very armed, had drugs in the house as well. So

I think that could have played a part in it.

GRACE: We can`t confirm right now any of the gang allegations. But according to the next door neighbor Melissa Mours who`s with us right now,

she heard this guy`s mother -- I mean, he`s almost 20 years old, saying we`re not having pot in my house. The mom just gave birth to a baby and

she`s got this son -- here he is posting pictures of himself with pot, blunts in his mouth.

This guy. We`ve been told there were other people in the car. Who was the shooter? I don`t know. We`ll find out, though. I know that he is charged

with murdering mommy.

Melissa Mours is joining us.

Melissa, for the viewers just joining us right now, what can you tell us was going on next door in Eric Nowsch, Jr.`s home?

MELISSA MOURS, NEIGHBOR: At the moment it`s a lot quieter. But earlier, I mean, there were probably 30 plus unmarked, marked police cars. SWAT was

out here. There was the helicopters calling out for him. But it just -- it was quite scary. I was asleep and it woke me up. And I just -- I was

right outside of my house with a gun toting officers, you know, protecting me. But it`s a scary situation to know that this is going on right this

next door to you. I have a 7-year-old boy, so.

GRACE: I was really struck by what you said about his mother forbidding him to use pot in the home and that you would smell it coming out of the

garage. What do you know about Eric Nowsch, Jr.?

MOURS: I know that he does hang with some pretty rugged kids. The kids that are around here are just acting like -- just seem like they are up to

no good all the time. His mom is totally against him doing any kind of drugs or bringing anything like that in the house. I`ve heard her yell at

him and I`m -- what do you think you`re doing bringing that stuff in the house? You know, this is my house and I`m not going to go for it.

And I believe at the time she was pregnant on top of it and she`s like what are you thinking? You know, I`m pregnant and you are brick bringing drugs

in the house and smoking and so she was really, really upset about it.

She`s such a sweet lady. I felt really awful for her and everything she`s going through right now.

GRACE: Unlearn the lawyers. Joining me tonight Danny Cevallos, Monica Lindstrom, also with me Salvatore Raymond, Sr., acts reconstructionist.

Thank you so much for being with us. He`s also a forensic mechanic.

Salvatore, what can you tell me -- hold on. His satellite went down. We`ll go right back to him.

Danny Cevallos and Monica Lindstrom with us .

All right, Danny Cevallos. This is what we know. He is currently charged with open homicide, which means they haven`t decided how they are going to

charge. Malice murder, voluntary or involuntary. Weigh in?

DANNY CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He`s also going to get a weapons enhancement in Nevada and also the discharge out of a -- out of a motor

vehicle.

But, Nancy, the problem I have is this and with all respect to the family, it appears that you have adopted entirely the narrative from dad. and a

grieving father, I understand, who in turn is not actually an eyewitness who himself adopted the entire narrative from his son. A son who, it

appears, may have brandished a weapon and himself could be exposed to liability.

GRACE: How.

CEVALLOS: Now the reality is that everything he says may --

GRACE: How? No, you can`t just say that and get away with it. What do you mean, exposed to liability?

CEVALLOS: Well, if he -- if he brandished a weapon it`s possible that he may have fired first and that the people in the car fired second. We just

don`t know.

GRACE: Well, did you hear what police said?

CEVALLOS: Well, police --

GRACE: Police said very clearly, Monica Lindstrom, that the shot, the first shot there at the home was by the perpetrators. That would be Eric

Nowsch, Jr. and/or whomever was in the car with him.

MONICA LINDSTROM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, how could they possibly know that, Nancy? Because they only have the story, just like Danny was talking

about, from the son and then that was adopted by the father. So there`s not enough evidence yet to make that call. In other words we don`t have

the entire story. You mentioned yourself that there were two other people in the car with him. We don`t know if he was the shooter or not. But what

it sounds like to me --

GRACE: Put them up please.

LINDSTROM: -- is there`s a heck of a lot more to the story than what we`re hearing right now because with the relationship between them --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Well, let me remind the two of you what you learned in criminal law 101.

LINDSTROM: There`s got to be more.

GRACE: First year law school. If the three of us go in and rob a bank and you, Monica Lindstrom, get crazy and shoot the teller, guess what? Danny

Cevallos and I are in for murder.

CEVALLOS: Not automatically.

GRACE: All for one, one for all. Oh, yes. You go in to commit a felony, yes, we`re all in. So regardless of who in that car fired, they are all in

now.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got to you. So just again, right now we are in the tactical phase of taking the suspect into custody who we believed to be

involved in the homicide of Mrs. Meyers.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This is Sara from CNN. Can I just quickly ask you, is it the person you believe shot Mrs. Meyers?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is. It is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well. There`s your answer by police. Everyone speculating, is he the one that pulled the trigger, there is more than one person in the car.

The father Robert Meyers confirmed that to me during all of this. But according to that officer this is the person that shot Tammy Meyers, mother

of four. Eric Nowsch, Jr. They managed to track him down and find him online on Instagram and this is what we found. Take a look.

We`ve gotten it confirmed by a neighbor that this is Eric Nowsch, Jr. Take a look. I guess that was a bong. Here is he is with what appears to be a

blunt. Haven`t field tested it. But he apparently is bragging about getting high on pot. I can guarantee you that`s not a Salem menthol he`s

smoking right there.

There is Eric Nowsch, Jr. According to police this is the man that shot the mother of four, Tammy Meyers, in her front yard after road rage.

Unleash the lawyers. Danny Cevallos, Monica Lindstrom. Also with me, psychiatrist out of New York, Dr. Ish Major.

To Danny Cevallos, I don`t think the "I got mad on the road" defense is going to work. The "I just snapped" defense is not a defense at all.

Right now we`re still waiting on what charge is going to be implemented. What do you think?

CEVALLOS: Of course it`s not a defense. The "I got mad and I`m a vigilante" would never be a defense. But the problem here is we don`t know

who fired first and we don`t know about escalation.

Now earlier, Nancy, you said the police said, the police said. Haven`t the police already in the last 24 hours gotten a couple of things inconsistent

already?

GRACE: Like what?

CEVALLOS: Well, the idea last night appeared to be that mom and son may have gone out looking to confront them afterwards, and now it appears that

may not be the case. So the reality is we really do not know so it`s dangerous.

GRACE: I think you`re splitting hairs on what happened.

CEVALLOS: Really?

GRACE: I think you`re losing the gist --

CEVALLOS: It`s a massive hair, Nancy.

GRACE: -- that you can`t see the forest for the trees because, Monica Lindstrom, the reality is they were in their yard at their home. He

pursued them. All right? There`s no doubt about it. It`s on video for Pete`s sake. His car on the scene.

LINDSTROM: Well, somebody pursued them. We don`t know if he was driving and we don`t know if he was the shooter. And yes, I understand the whole

felony murder and the conspiracy thing. I get that. But like I said you need more to the story. And not only that you need to look at other

defenses. We`ve heard about this kid. He is 19 going on -- going to 20. And he`s smoking pot.

GRACE: Well, I don`t know what you call a kid.

LINDSTROM: He`s running with the wrong crowd.

GRACE: But at age 20 my father was overseas on a ship in the world war.

LINDSTROM: Right, but we know that he wasn`t.

GRACE: So I don`t know what you think a kid is. Yes. I know, according to his photos, he`s high on pot.

(CROSSTALK)

LINDSTROM: Well, we know that this guy wasn`t overseas. He was running with the wrong crowd. He was in bad situations so I`m wondering if there`s

some kind of mental issues that might be a defense here because there was in fact a personal relationship between him and Tammy Meyers, which tells

me there is so much more to the story that we don`t know yet. And you can`t simply rely on the cops and what they have to say about it.

GRACE: Well, actually I`m not just relying on the cops and what they have to say. I`m relying on what the dead woman`s husband is saying.

LINDSTROM: And he wasn`t there.

CEVALLOS: He wasn`t there. He wasn`t there.

GRACE: If you had let me finish before you start barking like hyenas, what I was about to say is not just the father, Monica. It`s also the daughter.

It`s also the son.

LINDSTROM: Who was there for half the time. And the son that was there for half the time.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: There`s also --

LINDSTROM: Nobody was there for the full time, Nancy.

GRACE: It`s also what Melissa Mours, the neighbor, says. So it`s the police, it`s the father, it`s the daughter, it`s the son. I get what you

guys are doing, you`re doing your job. You are trying to defend him. But where I`m coming from is, there`s a mother of four dead in the front yard.

Taken off life support on Valentine`s Day, for Pete`s sake.

According to the father, she tried to help this guy have a better life. Talk him through his problems. And what does she get? A bullet in the

head.

Right now I`m being told we`re going to CNN Heroes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSHUA WILLIAMS, JOSHUA`S HEART FOUNDATION: Start signing in people. Is everybody here signed in?

When I was 4 and a half years old, I found my purpose in life. We`re going to help around 100 families. We`re going to give them food.

I looked for a foundation that would accept somebody my age. I didn`t find any so I came up with the idea of Joshua`s Heart Foundation.

Hey, are you guys ready?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Joshua`s Heart Foundation has no age limit. As long as you`re able to pick something up, just come out and help us make a difference.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It feels really good to be here. It`s really nice.

WILLIAMS: Since I started, I have given out over 650,000 pounds of food to over 30,000 individuals.

We`re going to do one tuna.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One tuna?

WILLIAMS: One tuna. We need enough for everybody.

Right now we have over 1200 youth volunteers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Josh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Perfect.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m grateful to know there`s still young people that cares for other people.

WILLIAMS: It`s very important to develop connections and relationships with these people that we`re helping.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God bless you, you know. God bless you and thank you.

WILLIAMS: If you want to make a difference, I have three pieces of advice for you. One, use your passion and purpose in life to help make a change

in the community. Two, get your friends to help. And three, never give up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEYERS: Made my wife look like an animal and my son. There is the animal a block away. Are you happy?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: A father`s raw pain and emotion. There is the alleged perpetrator, actually a neighbor, a neighbor that the mom of four, Tammy Meyers, tried

to help, Eric Nowsch, Jr., almost 20 years old, apparently the shooter of the mom of four, out giving her daughter driving lessons. She`s followed

home by the alleged road rager and shot in the head.

Joining me is Mike Duffy.

Mike, we both spoke to the father as the standoff commenced. And during the arrest, what did you learn?

MIKE DUFFY: Nancy, I learned that this mom was a hero in so many ways. I mean, she was trying her hardest to protect her family. She was not a gun

person to begin with. And then at the very end, right before her life was taken, she told her son to get behind the vehicle and she was the one who

confronted the perpetrator.

GRACE: Also with me Dr. Ish Major, psychiatrist, author of "Little White Lies."

So much here, Dr. Ish. Number one, why would someone attack the person that`s been trying to help them?

DR. ISH MAJOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, you know, from the pictures you`ve shown, Nancy, it looks like this guy, this young man may have been under

the influence of some substances at some point. We don`t know what else was going on, on that day. It`s hard to say what the nature of that

relationship was because like a few of the attorneys said earlier, we just really don`t have all the details of that situation, including the history

of the relationship between, you know, our alleged perpetrator and the victim here.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Danny Cevallos, Monica Lindstrom, you know, their relationship in my mind makes it a worst-case scenario because the

mother Tammy Meyers knew the guy. She knew about his alleged drug problems. She had been trying to help him get out of all his problems,

taking him on walks through the park with their dogs, bringing him to the family home, feeding him, trying to help him.

So when he gets out of the car and says, I`m going to kill you, she was afraid, Monica.

LINDSTROM: Well, we don`t know who she was afraid of, Nancy. Again, we need more of the story. And it`s very sad that they were both in this

situation. But remember Mike Duffy just pointed out that she confronted either this guy or the other people that were in the car with her. So what

else happened that caused it.

GRACE: I don`t know what you mean, confronted him. I don`t know what you`re saying.

LINDSTROM: Ask Mike Duffy.

GRACE: When did she confront him?

LINDSTROM: He is the one that just said she told her son to go behind the car while she confronted the shooter. And again, we don`t know who the

shooter actually was. So again there`s something more.

GRACE: You know what, Mike, please explain that quickly.

DUFFY: It`s not that she was confronting him. She was basically protecting her son. That`s what she was doing.

GRACE: Everyone, right now we know he is in custody. We will find out more as it progresses and bring it to you.

Let`s remember American hero, Army Captain Shawn English, 35, Westerville, Ohio, Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Grew up in a small farming community,

raising (INAUDIBLE). Loved Ohio State football. Parents, Donald and Lois, sister Dawn, widow Trisha, three sons.

Shawn English, American hero.

And a special good night to our friend Matthew who loves sports, especially hockey. Here he is at San Jose Sharks game with the mascot, SJ Sharky.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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