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Nancy Grace
Jodi Arias Dodges Death
Aired March 05, 2015 - 20:30 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court is declaring a mistrial. We are not unanimous. Votes have been steady since last Thursday.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We hope that the fact we were overwhelmingly for the death penalty brings at least a little peace to the family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are hung, and additional time will not change this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eleven of us (INAUDIBLE) for (INAUDIBLE) We absolutely feel the penalty should have been death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel that the one hold-out had her mind made up from the beginning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am angry that there wasn`t a finality really to this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Arias, you have a right to have a pre-sentence report prepared. Your attorney is indicating you wish to waive that right,
is that correct?
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart just breaks for the Alexander family.
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NANCY GRACE HOST: Bombshell tonight. We go straight out to the Phoenix courthouse where a jury has announced its decision in the Jodi Arias death
penalty retrial -- hung jury! Jodi Arias dodges death. That`s the headline. Immediately, in that courtroom, you could hear -- and then
crying, loud gasps, Travis Alexander`s family bends over double, physically bending over double, crying out loud.
Jodi Arias and her defense team seem not to notice all the people about eight feet away from them crying out loud in the courtroom as it is
announced the jury hangs. Death penalty is no longer an option in one of the most brutal murders the state has ever seen, the family rushing out of
the courthouse. They couldn`t stand to be in the courtroom another moment, literally running out of the courthouse.
Here is the verdict as it goes down. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have received two juror questions from you. The first juror question submitted late yesterday afternoon states that, "We
are not unanimous. Votes have been steady since last Thursday. Jurors have indicated minds are made up. Some have indicated we either let you
know today or they want off this jury. In my assessment, we are hung, and additional time will not change this." Submitted by the foreperson. This
morning, I received an additional juror question indicating the status is unchanged as of this morning.
Is there anything from the foreperson to add at this time? At this time, the court is declaring a mistrial.
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GRACE: And there you hear what goes down in the courtroom. A lot of people in the courtroom are looking around, like, What happened?
Jean Casarez, you could have heard a pin drop. And then suddenly, when it hits the Alexander family, they start wailing on the front row.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That`s the right word, wailing in the front row, and that`s really all you could hear. And Jodi Arias had no
emotion at all. She didn`t turn and look at the family. But many times, Nancy, the defendant will start crying for herself because at that moment,
she learned she will live.
GRACE: To Tammy Rose, KFYI, in the courtroom today -- Tammy Rose, isn`t it true that when the jurors left the courtroom, they all looked over at
Travis Alexander`s family apologetically as if to say, I`m sorry, holding up tissues to their face, some of them visibly crying.
TAMMY ROSE, KFYI: Well, I spoke to several of them after this was all over, and they are just so saddened by this whole thing, especially to
learn that it was 11 to 1 vote in favor of the death penalty. And the juror, a female juror who was holding out, they felt had another agenda.
They were trying to get her removed yesterday because she wasn`t cooperating. She wasn`t look at autopsy photos or deliberating. They
weren`t trying to get her off because she didn`t agree with them, it`s because they feel she had her mind...
GRACE: Exactly.
ROSE: ... made up. So...
GRACE: Hold on. I`m hearing in my ear we are now being joined by juror number four. Sir, thank you so much for being with us. I think I`ve got
juror number four on the phone. Sir, are you with me?
RETRIAL JUROR NUMBER FOUR (via telephone): Yes. Yes. I`m here. I apologize.
GRACE: That`s OK, sir.
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: I`m a little shaken up still.
GRACE: I want to thank you so much for being with us. And having lived through many, many jury trials, I was always very shaken inside. I don`t
know if it showed on the outside. But with the emotion of a jury trial, the reading of the verdict, when I would have verdicts, I would have to
read them as the prosecutor out loud and publish them in the courtroom in public.
I understand that you`re still shaky. What do you mean by that, that you`re still shaky?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: The emotion is just overflowing. I -- I -- it`s hard to deal with -- with having tried your hardest for so long to persuade
someone to agree with you. And -- and it was painful in that courtroom, you know, just listening to the family wail and cry while we had to sit
there. As a group, even though we were mostly in favor of capital punishment, to sit there and have it represented that we as a group were
hung and Jodi was going to -- not get away with it, but not get capital punishment, is -- it`s tough.
GRACE: Well, especially -- everyone, with me is juror number four. This verdict has just come down, this announcement -- let me rephrase. The
announcement is the jury hung. It was 11 to 1 for the death penalty. And with me, from inside that jury deliberation room, is juror number four.
Sir, when you said that she`ll walk -- but no, not really walk. Actually, under the law in Arizona, she -- there`s a possibility she can walk free in
25 years, and that must have been like salt in the wound to the jury!
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: Yes. Yes. It was tough. And you know, when we were in deliberations, we brought that up. We`re, like, If we don`t put forth
the right judgment, if we`re not all in agreement, there`s a chance that she could get out in her early 50s. I mean, that`s like a whole life to
live after that. So what punishment is it, really, if she were only to get that?
GRACE: You know, sir...
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: And it just fuels the fire, you know.
GRACE: ... one of the things that had me so upset -- and I don`t know if you on this jury got to hear this, but the forensic evidence shows that
after Travis Alexander was attacked and he was in the throes of death, he stumbled out of the shower and he went to his mirror, his bathroom mirror.
And there, all on the sink, all over the vanity, he stood there bleeding to death and looked at his own image in the mirror. He saw himself dying.
I can`t get that image out of my head, sir.
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: Yes, it was tough. And we had to go through all those -- all those images over and over again in the deliberation room. And we -
- you know, as a last ditch effort, we put all of it, all of the pictures down of all the blood and the shower and Travis`s body, and we tried to --
again, to come out with a unanimous decision.
And I don`t understand. It`s hard to process -- excuse me -- for me to understand how those -- that aggravating circumstances that we were looking
at that we had spread out all across the jury table -- how that could not weigh enough for capital punishment. It just boggles my mind.
GRACE: And for everyone on the jury, when you think about Travis Alexander -- not what Jodi Arias said about him, trying to drag him through the mud
and smear his name, you know, after his death, but everyone has a son or a brother, a father, a husband, but especially people with a son, to think
that you pour all your love, all your dreams, all your effort, all your money, all your energy to raise your child, for someone like Jodi Arias to
come along and cut his life short -- it`s just overwhelming to me because when I look at Travis Alexander, he is a mother`s son just cut down in the
prime of his life like that!
When you showed these pictures to the hold-out, would she even deliberate? Is it true that she had watched the Lifetime movie about Jodi Arias.
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: She had said she`d seen some pieces of the movie, yes. Yes.
GRACE: Well, you know, right there, that alone would have been enough to get her thrown out of the jury deliberations. Actually, you`re seeing what
juror number four is talking about right now. That is the Lifetime movie about Jodi Arias. And if you even see bits and smidgens of this movie,
then if you lied in voir dire and said you didn`t see it or said you didn`t know anything about it, that`s a reason to be thrown off the jury.
Do you think the judge knew that, juror number four?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: I -- I think -- I think the judge knew that because we sent in a questionnaire -- or not a questionnaire, but a question form for
the judge, letting her know that this lady who was holding out mentioned it to the whole group.
You know, she wasn`t even trying to conceal it. She mentioned to the whole group that she had seen bits and pieces of the movie. And so we thought,
you know, as a jury as a whole, that that was essential material -- essential information that the judge had to know. So we put it down on
paper and let the judge know.
GRACE: With me is a very special guest. It`s juror number four. Sir, I`ve got so many questions for you. Please stay with me.
I`m being joined right now by Sky Hughes, a very dear friend of Travis Alexander, in court for the verdict, the author of "Our Friend Travis."
Sky, thank you so much for being with us.
SKY HUGHES, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: I want to hear your reaction to what you are hearing happened in the jury room.
HUGHES: Well, as I was going to say, I hope I can keep it together for your show. It`s hard to listen to. but you know, I know the Alexanders
are just so grateful for what all of those jurors went through and what they -- the hard effort that they -- the hard work they put into to try to
get done what needed to get done. And so thank you to all the jurors from Travis`s family and his friends and those that have come to know and love
him. We know you guys tried your best, and we appreciate it.
GRACE: I want to go back to juror number four. Juror number four -- and we are not revealing your name. If you ever choose to do that yourself,
that`s your decision, not mine.
I hear in your voice a lot of what many of us have been feeling, having lived through and gone to the entire first trial, having lived through this
second trial, second phase, in other words,and seeing all the evidence, knowing a lot of evidence even the jury didn`t get to hear because it was
deemed to be more inflammatory than probative. What is your feeling? When you look back on what has just happened, that moment you came out and it`s
represented "hung jury," what`s your feeling, your physical reaction?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: It`s a feeling of sadness, a feeling of my body almost wanting to shut down, you know, a feeling that -- a feeling that justice
wasn`t served. And I know it was because we went through the process, just as the law tells you to. We went through the process and deal with
everything, but then when we went into there, it just -- it felt horrible.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court is declaring a mistrial. We are hung.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) standing in his bedroom (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All the graphic, mortifying, horrific details.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) lots of blood.
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GRACE: You are seeing clips just then of Jodi Arias singing and ultimately turning a handstand -- headstand during her police interrogation.
With me is juror number four. For those of you just joining us, the trial of Jodi Arias, one of the most notorious killers in the state of Arizona,
has come to a stunning end. The jury hangs, the jury 11 to 1 for the death penalty after the brutal slaughter of Travis Alexander.
There`s Jodi Arias prepping for makeup and hair before one of her many TV interviews she gave, contrary to the orders of her lawyers. It`s almost as
if she was a spider that wove Travis Alexander into her web, only to kill him in a bloodthirsty manner at the very end.
And with me is juror number four, who has just come out of the deliberations room, sat through the announcement of the verdict, watched
Travis Alexander`s family bend over double in pain, and then had to walk by the family not able to tell them his thoughts.
Sir, thank you for being with us.
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: When you actually heard Jodi Arias in court, what did you think of her?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: When I heard her in court? I -- she lied to my face. That`s what -- so I thought of her as a liar.
GRACE: In what way?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: I`m sorry?
GRACE: What way did she lie? What was the lie?
JUROR NUMBER FOUR: The lie was when she was describing her life, doing a little chronological order, she mentioned that when her and Darrell Brewer
(ph) were picking (ph) out in the house in Palm Desert, I believe it was, that they chose that area because of Jack, Darrell Brewer`s son, and they
wanted a good school district for him. And then just before that, we had found out that they, in fact, only had Darrell`s son for the summer.
So she lied to my face. She told us that -- you know, as soon as she said that she picked the house for their son so he could go to school in a good
school district, and then I found out that he`s only going to be there during the summer, that said to me instantly what lack of character...
GRACE: And you know another thing, juror number four? If she`d lie about something as simple as a house, you don`t think she would lie about
everything else to save her own skin?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court is declaring a mistrial.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think today`s victory will repair any sadness or change anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?
ARIAS: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have received two juror questions from you. The first juror question submitted late yesterday afternoon states that, "We
are not unanimous. Votes have been steady since last Thursday. Jurors have indicated minds are made up. Some have indicated we either let you
know today or they want off this jury. In my assessment, we are hung, and additional time will not change this." Submitted by the foreperson. This
morning, I received an additional juror question indicating the status is unchanged as of this morning.
Is there anything from the foreperson to add at this time? At this time, the court is declaring a mistrial.
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GRACE: That is the breaking news at this hour, the jury deadlocks, 11 to 1, 11 for the death penalty in one of the most notorious and brutal
slaughters in Arizona history. Travis Alexander didn`t see it coming -- 29 stab wounds, some of the most gruesome crime scene photos that have ever
been put in front of a jury.
This is the photo. See the blood markings? That shows, especially the ones down in the sink, that he stood looking in the bathroom mirror as he
was in the throes of the death. He saw himself die -- 29 stab wounds, his hair yanked back so his throat could be slit ear to ear, and then a gunshot
wound to the face.
This, Jean Casarez, after traveling across the desert incognito, in secret, even carrying gas cans in the trunk, leaving no trace she was headed to
Travis Alexander`s home. He didn`t know she was coming. They have sex all afternoon. She takes pictures of it. But then when he tells her he`s
taking his girlfriend on a pre-planned trip to Cozumel, all hell breaks loose. He ends up dead.
CASAREZ: That`s right. And don`t forget, she brought on that long trip that took so many hours, it was proven, her grandfather`s gun. And that I
think was one of the pinnacle points for the guilt conviction. And that obviously came before this jury, too.
You know, Nancy, we want to tell everybody that sentencing is April 13th, and just as you said, it is life in prison or relief after 25 years.
GRACE: She could actually walk in her early 50s. Absolutely stunning!
With me is Shaun Alexander, former roommate of Travis, Enrique Cortez, another roommate of Travis`s, his friends gathering around in shock, numb,
numb, numb at the jury verdict. With me, juror number four, also numb after days of trying to convince the holdout juror, who had watched the
Lifetime movie about Jodi Arias -- she refuses to even deliberate any further. After alerting the judge that she`s not deliberating, the judge
does nothing.
To Shaun Alexander, joining us. Shaun, I want to hear you reaction to what`s happened today. Here`s the Lifetime movie.
SHAUN ALEXANDER, TRAVIS`S FORMER ROOMMATE: Yes, I mean, you know, my first -- and obviously, my heart goes out to the Alexander family. Can`t even
imagine the amount of pain that they`re feeling right now after everything`s gone down. So you know, my heart goes out to them.
But to be honest, my only question is, how is it in our justice system that one person can stop somebody like her from getting ultimate justice that
she should have had, obviously? At this point, the question really becomes what do you have to do in this country to deserve the death penalty? What
is it that she could have done that was any worse than what she did? There`s no way that this could have been a more gruesome attack or more
pre-planned attack.
It`s just -- it`s heartbreaking. I mean, I just feel horrible for the whole family, and we still don`t get that resolution.
SHAUN ALEXANDER, FORMER ROOMMATE OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: It`s just -- it`s just heartbreaking. I just feel horrible for the whole family. And they
still don`t get that resolution and the fact that she could be walking when she`s 50.
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: It`s so upsetting.
Enrique Cortez, also with us, roommate of Travis`.
Enrique, I don`t know if you were like me. I felt completely numb when I heard that.
ENRIQUE CORTEZ, FORMER ROOMMATE OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Yes, I`m feeling that way in my core right now, just this sort of numbness in my core, in my
hands. I mean, I just feel nothing but disappointment in this juror for her decision to give Jodi life. Not only did she take justice away from
Travis` family who really deserves it but she`s also taken away justice from me, from Zack, from all of us.
And, you know, she thinks she`s doing Jodi a favor by giving her life. But now I`m going to be at odds just to be able to live my life because the
fear that Jodi brings me is now going to be with me until I die.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the court is declaring a mistrial. We are not unanimous. Votes have been steady since last Thursday.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We hope that the fact that we were overwhelmingly for the death penalty brings at least a little peace to the family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are hung and additional time will not change this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The eleven of us strive for justice for Travis. We absolutely feel the penalty should have been death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel that the one holdout had her mind made up from the beginning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am angry that there wasn`t a finality really to this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Arias, you have a right to have a prisoner`s report prepared. Your attorney is indicating you wish to waive that right,
is that correct?
JODI ARIAS, DEFENDANT: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart just breaks for the Alexander family.
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GRACE: Please take her down.
In the last hours the jury announces they are hopelessly deadlocked. Eleven to 1 for the death penalty of Jodi Arias in one of the most
notorious murders in Arizona history. Sneaking up on -- Travis Alexander. He didn`t see it coming. Sustained 29 stab wounds. Throat sliced ear to
ear in an eerie smile. Then shot in the face.
She lied at first, said she wasn`t there. Then made up a story that ninjas had broken into the home, killed him and spared her. And then by her own
words, jumped in the car, sees blood dried on her hands. Travis Alexander`s blood under her fingernails and she continues to drive, lying
the whole way to her next boyfriend, where she physically jumps on top of him in a sexual manner.
With me is juror number four.
Juror number four, I hear your voice cracking. I`ve only got one question. What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. She just wouldn`t bend. We tried everything. We went over every single mitigating factor that was presented
by the defense and showed her how each one held no weight. I just --
GRACE: Well, what was her reasoning? What was her reasoning as to why life is sufficient?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t have one. And when we asked her why, her answer was so broad. She said, well, everything. She couldn`t give us an
answer. You know, there was a point where we phrased it differently and said, you know, try and -- please try and persuade us. Try and get us to
understand your side. And she either wouldn`t or couldn`t.
GRACE: Joining me in addition --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we tried so hard for her to do the right thing.
GRACE: Joining us in addition to juror number four and Travis Alexander`s dearest friends with whom he lived, with me right now the lawyer for the
Alexander family, Jay Beckstead, joining us out of Phoenix.
Jay, I know the family rushed out of the courthouse. What are their thoughts?
JAY BECKSTEAD, ATTORNEY FOR ALEXANDER FAMILY: They are just terribly saddened by the inability to reach the appropriate decision. That said
they understand the difficulty of the decision and for -- for instance, juror number four. I know I can speak for him in telling you that they
greatly appreciate your time and nothing but respect for you. They are terribly saddened. And they look forward to the sentencing on April the
13th.
GRACE: To Mike Duffy, also in the courtroom.
Mike, tell me what happened exactly blow by blow when the non-verdict was announced.
MIKE DUFFY, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy, I was paying close attention.
Nancy, I was paying close attention to all of the jurors as the verdict was read. And basically they were sad. They were crying. I saw a number of
them wipe their eyes and nose. I was watching the Alexander family and like you said they were doubled over in pain. They were wailing, from a
very guttural place.
And I also was paying attention to the Arias family and it was quite the opposite emotion. It was very frustrating to watch.
GRACE: You know, I noticed, Mike, when Travis` sister right here, she`s sitting up a little bit. She ultimately just bends -- they bend completely
over. They can`t even sit up. And I heard that first -- gasp when the judge started talking. And then the wails. I mean how could Arias stand
there and act like she doesn`t hear these people screaming and crying about eight feet behind her?
DUFFY: Exactly, Nancy. And as a journalist, we`re supposed to not feel anything. But at this moment in time you couldn`t help but react. As a
human being. The emotion was too much to handle.
GRACE: You know, Mike, when they were crying, when I heard the sister crying, my throat just clamped shut. I just -- the pain in my chest of
hearing them suffering.
And Mike Duffy, this went down in 2008. We are on the second jury, the third phase. Every day they leave home. They leave their children, their
home, their job. And they come to the courthouse. And they have to relive Travis Alexander`s death, his mutilation. Every day. They have to relive
it day after day. It`s like "Groundhog Day" over and over again.
And now this, Mike Duffy.
DUFFY: Yes, Nancy. And if you listen to the jurors afterwards, they said that they experience nightmares regularly. They said there isn`t a single
one of them who doesn`t feel this way. And they said they are going to feel those feelings for the rest of their life. It is torturous.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: The jury speaks. They are hung. Jodi Arias dodges death.
Unleash the lawyers. Jeff Gold and Parag Shah.
OK, this is what I don`t get, Jeff Gold. Whenever there is a juror that refuses to deliberate, that juror has to be removed from the jury. What
was the judge doing?
JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the judge was ensuring that this didn`t become a huge appealable issue. I mean, the reality of it is
this. If the jury came into this jury as a stealth juror saying that she would never do death, and that certainly is somebody who should be off,
because that juror would have violated the oath.
On the other hand if that jury came into the deliberation room saying, I`ve been here for five months, I`ve listened to all the testimonies, I`m firmly
convinced there are mitigating factors, that there`s nothing wrong with the juror. So the judge erred on the side of the defendant in this case.
GRACE: But wait a minute, that`s not what juror number four just told you. He said that she refused to deliberate.
GOLD: Well, I asked juror number four in the press conference that the jury had, quite a remarkable press conference, by the way, Nancy. I asked
him and he was very vociferous about it and he does believe that she came in that way but other jurors didn`t. And so therefore reasonable minds
could have differed and Judge Sherry Stephens found, or at least what she heard before her was not enough.
GRACE: Well, OK, that was not again -- again, that is not my question. My question is, and that`s to you, Parag Shah. Let me try with you. I`m now
saying she came as stealth juror. That`s what Gold is saying. I`m saying she refused to deliberate.
A stealth juror, everyone, is a juror that comes on to the jury, lies in voir dire, jury selection, and gets on the jury selection with an ulterior
motive, i.e., she`s opposed to the death penalty. I`m not saying that. I don`t know that. What I know is what juror number four told me she refused
to deliberate, and I don`t mean change their mind. I mean when they go, I`m not going to listen. I`m not going to deliberate. That`s when that
juror has to be removed.
PARAG SHAH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the judge has to make a decision as to whether she was actually refusing to deliberate. From what
I heard from juror number four she said that when asked, can you give me a reason, she said it`s everything. You know, just because she wasn`t able
to specify the specific mitigating factors, doesn`t mean that the mitigating factors didn`t influence her decision in not going for the death
penalty.
GRACE: Let me go back to juror number four.
What do you make of the possibility she came into this opposing the death penalty?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. She would adamantly tell you that she is absolutely for the death penalty. But after being with her for month after
month after month and then deliberating for as long as we did, I just -- I can`t understand it. My brain is trying to come up with a reason so that I
can cope with what happened.
GRACE: Well, another issue, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst is that the jury sent out a message -- you know what, let me just throw this back
to you, Jeff Gold and Parag Shah, stating that we have been locked since Thursday. If you make us keep deliberating we`re leaving. That sounds
like jury mutiny, Parag Shah.
SHAH: I mean, definitely it was heated in there. And they were frustrated and they were trying to convince this hold-out juror to go their way and
they couldn`t do it. And this is what happens. And this is why we have hung juries. And it shows that they really tried hard. But at the end of
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GRACE: Jodi Arias dodges death. The jury hangs yet again. This judge will now sentence her to either life without the possibility of parole or
life with the possibility of parole in 25 years.
I want to go to Dr. Bill Lloyd, surgeon and pathologist out of Sacramento.
Dr. Lloyd, I know you`ve studied this very carefully. What do you make of the crime scene and the injuries?
DR. BILL LLOYD, SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: Yes. Jodi murdered this poor man three different times. With the knife stabbed between 27 and 30 times, in
his back, in his chest, in his neck and the scalp. And then, of course, escaping to the bedroom where he -- she slits his throat. Back into the
bathroom, shoots him in the head.
A violent, violent crime. But I want to add my comments to the discussion. Justice was served. There were two trials regarding the punishment. And
in both cases, the jury was hung. Justice was served. The system works. And she will not be put to death.
GRACE: Dr. Lloyd, now let me make sure you have an MD, not a JD. Is that correct?
LLOYD: I am an American, Nancy. And I know the Constitution.
GRACE: You have your Ph.D. in USA. I hear you loud and clear.
I want to go now to Barrett Marchesson, former director of communications at the Arizona Department of Corrections, CEO of Marchesson Media.
Barrett, thank you for being with us. Tell me, what does Jodi Arias -- what`s in store for her now?
BARRETT MARCHESSON, FORMER DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS: Thank you for having me on, Nancy. First several years, a
bleak existence. She will be locked for 22 hours of her day in a cell, a 12 by seven cell. She will have a bed, a toilet, a sink. If she can
afford one, she can buy a small television that will have 15 channels or so on it. It will not be a fun time. She will not get to really interact
with people, with other inmates. She will have time to be outside in a holding enclosure for an hour a day, six hours a week. She can see some
inmates, might be able to -- she will live a solitary existence for at least the first couple of years.
GRACE: Is it true she can work her way up to more and more and more privileges? It`s called the step program.
JEAN CASAREZ, HLN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, in fact, she potentially could even be part of general population in time. So there`s definitely rewards
for that good behavior and that`s one of the major differences. Besides life or death. But being on death row versus life in prison.
GRACE: You know with time served, she could actually be out in 19 years.
So, Jean, Origami, cable TV, library, recreation, classes, the possibility of being out in 19 years.
To juror number four, what do you make of that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s horrible. I don`t think it`s right. And I just want to let everybody out there, especially the Alexander family
know that we tried our hardest to make sure that justice was served.
GRACE: The end of another chapter in America justice.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Detective Terrence Avery Green, 48, killed in the line of duty. A Morse Brown College grad, a 22-year veteran
of the Fulton County Police Department. Remembered as officer friendly and a strong bond with the community. Never met a stranger. Parents, Johnny
and Veronica, brother William, four sons, Marquez, Isaiah, Emanuel and Samuel.
Terrence Avery Green, American hero.
And happy birthday to Iowa friend, Madeline. Isn`t she beautiful?
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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