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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Multi-millionaire Robert Durst, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, walks free even after confessing he
shoots and dismembers his neighbor. His wife, Kathie -- she disappears, too, unsolved.
Bombshell tonight. After HBO airs docu-series "The Jinx," all about multi-millionaire Robert Durst and his shenanigans, Durst arrested under an
assumed name, hiding in a New Orleans hotel, but not for the murder of neighbor Morris Black or for his wife, Kathie, Durst now the prime suspect
in the murder of long-time friend Susan Berman, who many believe helped Durst dispose of wife Kathie`s body.
In the last hours, as we go to air, are LA prosecutors secretly planning to seek the death penalty? And just how has Durst escaped justice
for so long? Well, maybe it`s got something to do with $100 million in his bank account!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The biggest bombshell came at the show`s conclusion, when Durst went into a bathroom while still miked after being
questioned about the murders.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you write the cadaver note?
ROBERT DURST, SUSPECTED OF MURDER: No, I didn`t write the cadaver note.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell me which one you didn`t write?
DURST: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much.
DURST: Well, thank you very much. I am going to go use the restroom, which is right here.
(INAUDIBLE) killed them all, of course.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from HBO`s "The Jinx." Don`t know the statement`s context, or when HBO released the audio, if they shared it with police.
HBO is owned by CNN`s parent company, Time Warner.
And tonight, the young mom of two little boys with us live, begging for the boys` return. Tonight, where are 7 and 8-year-old Jackson (ph) and
Parker (ph)?
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Multi-millionaire Robert Durst, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, walks free even after he confesses he shoots and
dismembers his neighbor. His wife, Kathie -- well, she disappears, too. That`s unsolved.
But after HBO airs the docu-series "The Jinx" -- it`s all about Durst and his shenanigans -- Durst finally arrested. He`s busted under a fake
name, hiding in a New Orleans hotel, but not for the murder of his neighbor, Morris Black, or for the disappearance of his wife, Kathie.
Durst is the prime suspect in the murder of his long-time friend, Susan Berman. Now, many people believe Berman helped Durst dispose of wife
Kathie`s body, that she just knew too much.
Well, in the last hours, as we go to air, are LA prosecutors secretly planning to seek the death penalty? And just how has Robert Durst escaped
justice for so many years, to the tune of three bodies, three suspected bodies?
Joining me right now, Miguel Marquez, CNN correspondent. Miguel, in the last hours, we learned that prosecutors are charging him with an
aggravated circumstance. Explain.
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There`s a -- he was lying in wait back on December 22nd or 23rd of 2004, Susan Berman, that he -- you know,
the -- the filmmakers...
GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wa-wait! Wait! Miguel, look at your monitor. There`s Durst. That`s in court in the last 24 hours. Why is he smiling?
MARQUEZ: Well...
GRACE: Take me back to Durst. There he is. What`s he smiling about?
MARQUEZ: It is a spectacular image. I mean, it probably is from the same idea of this is a man who decided to take part in "The Jinx" at all,
against his lawyer`s advice, and thought that he was smarter than anyone else and could explain away all of the concerns and the mystery and the
clouds surrounding the life...
GRACE: Miguel...
MARQUEZ: ... of Robert Durst.
GRACE: ... tell me something. We`ve got one wife, Kathie, who goes missing years ago. Now, it`s my understanding that he changed his story
about his whereabouts that night at least three times. There`s Kathie. Her body has never been found.
Now, he admits that he abused her, that he physically forced her to get an abortion. But all the circumstances in that case indicate he`s
responsible for her disappearance. Is it true that Susan Berman is rumored to have helped him with covering up Kathie`s death?
20:05:05
MARQUEZ: Well, whether it was moving the body itself or knowing all of the secrets about the body -- that was the concern. And that was
certainly the motive that prosecutors are saying would have been on Mr. Durst`s mind, that when Jeanine Pirro was going to reopen the case -- the
Westchester County prosecutor was going to reopen the case in 2000, the one person they wanted to talk to was Susan Berman because she knew everything
about Robert Durst. She knew him for years.
GRACE: Miguel, can we just get real for a moment because the prosecutors are saying, This HBO docu-series has nothing do with us finally
charging him in Berman`s murder. She was killed execution-style, shot in the head just before she`s supposed to talk to prosecutors about Kathie`s
disappearance, OK?
But the reality is, they`re saying, Well, we just found out about this envelope, the handwriting matches, and that says he knew about the murder.
But come on, Miguel. They could have gotten a handwriting sample 15 years ago.
MARQUEZ: The shocking thing is that letter was clearly in police custody, or could have been in police custody. All of that was turned over
to a friend of Susan Berman, who then -- it went to a relative of hers. He then, at the behest of the documentarians, found this letter. And
(INAUDIBLE) I mean, it is -- it`s -- it`s shocking to see in "The Jinx"...
GRACE: It`s exactly...
MARQUEZ: He was shaking...
GRACE: ... alike. Look at this.
MARQUEZ: ... when he handed it over.
MARQUEZ: Look at that! And he misspelled "Beverly" the same way both times. Now, one of these is a known letter that Durst sent, OK?
MARQUEZ: A year before. A year before.
GRACE: The other one is called the "cadaver letter." What`s that, Miguel, the cadaver letter?
MARQUEZ: The cadaver letter -- after the murder of Susan Berman, somebody sent a letter to -- just addressed to Beverly Hills police. And
inside of that was a piece of paper that gave the address, 1527 Benedict Canyon, Beverly -- spelled wrong -- Hills in that block lettering. The
third mistake on both of those envelopes, by the way...
GRACE: OK...
(CROSSTALK)
MARQUEZ: ... Los Angeles, third mistake, it`s Beverly -- it`s -- it`s Benedict Canyon Drive. Neither of those letters say "drive," just Benedict
Canyon. So anybody who was in Los Angeles would have, you know, presumably written "drive" on that so it didn`t...
GRACE: Oh, you`re right.
MARQUEZ: ... go to some other part of Los Angeles.
GRACE: We`re looking at it right now, Miguel.
MARQUEZ: Yes.
GRACE: They both say Benedict Canyon. And they`re supposed to say what?
MARQUEZ: Benedict Canyon Drive.
GRACE: OK, Miguel -- let me see Miguel Marquez, please. I prosecuted a bank robbery many, many years ago with a bank note. The guy was dyslexic
and reversed his letters. Don`t touch the alram (ph), this is a robie (ph). Don`t touch the alarm, this is a robbery. But when we finally did
the handwriting analysis, he made the same spelling error, and the jury immediately caught it. I didn`t even have to tell them. It`s very, very
powerful.
Miguel, listen to this. Listen to this part of "The Jinx."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you write the cadaver note?
DURST: No, I didn`t write the cadaver note.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you wrote this, but you didn`t write this.
DURST: Definitely wrote this, but I definitely did not write that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I guess I`m searching for a way, among other things, to understand how...
DURST: Two people could misspell Beverly?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m searching for a way to figure out how you didn`t write the cadaver note because it`s so similar.
DURST: Well, what I see as the similarity is really the misspelling in the Beverly. Other than that, the block letters are block letters. How
else would you write a block letter than that? I mean, it`s almost like a typed thing. It is going to look -- two typewriters, it`s going to look
the same.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you wrote one of these, but you didn`t write the other one.
DURST: I wrote this one, but I did not write the cadaver one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And can you tell me which one you didn`t write?
DURST: No.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Man, he is so busted! That`s from HBO`s "The Jinx."
Back to Miguel Marquez, senior correspondent joining us. You know, handwriting analysis is a very tricky thing. And we`ve got a handwriting
specialist joining us in just a few moments to go over what Durst did or did not write.
But Miguel, I mean, even with an untrained eye -- I guess I`ve handled, you know, at least a hundred handwriting comparisons. It would be
my rough guess. But they look identical.
DURST: Yes. The documentarians took hundreds of samples of Mr. Durst`s writing and compared letters from documents, from checks he signed,
from letters he wrote, from all sorts of places, and compared them to every single letter on those -- on that cadaver note and on the letter that was
written a year before Susan Berman was murdered, addressed to her at 1527 Benedict Canyon, Beverly Hills -- spelled wrong -- California. And they
found that there was a high degree of probability this was from the same hand.
20:10:08
GRACE: So Miguel, we`ve got this handwriting comparison -- for those of you just joining us, with me, Miguel Marquez. He`s got $100 million in
his bank account and somehow has managed to escape justice on what many people believe is his third murder, all right?
Now, Miguel, take a listen to this. It is a whispered confession on this "Jinxed" (sic) HBO docu-series. Roll it for Miguel, please, Liz.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DURST: (INAUDIBLE) killed them all, of course.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK, guys. That`s kind of an offtake, an outtake when he was filming HBO`s "The Jinx." That`s from "The Jinx." Now, we don`t know the
statement`s context. We don`t know if HBO gave that audio to law enforcement or if they realized what they had. And HBO is owned by CNN`s
parent company, Time Warner.
OK, Miguel, the defense lawyers are going to scream that`s inadmissible, but Miguel, the Constitution does not protect you from
gabbing to reporters, OK?
MARQUEZ: I have spoken to a lot of lawyers about, and you -- it cuts both ways. Most lawyers say it is admissible because even if the
filmmakers told the police that they were getting this stuff, they weren`t acting at the behest of law enforcement in this case. Law enforcement is
keeping their distance, saying, Oh, we weren`t going to use them anyway.
But clearly, they knew something was going on here, the filmmakers saying that they had turned over the evidence of the letter to begin with
after the interview, after they got him on camera. And only, like, two years later realized that the audio at the end in the bathroom -- they only
realized that two years later. Then they went back to cops, said, You really want to get a listen to this.
GRACE: Yes. Yes. It`s just amazing, amazing to me. Unleash the lawyers, David Benowitz, D.C., Trinity Hundredmark, Atlanta.
Benowitz, give me one reason that this statement "I killed them all" would not be admissible.
DAVID BENOWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it depends on the relationship between the filmmakers and the police. I`d want to know a lot
more about the conversations they had, what type of relationships they had, because if there`s any way that the filmmakers were acting on behalf of law
enforcement, then I think it could be inadmissible.
GRACE: OK, question. You do know that the HBO producers didn`t realize what they had for, like, two years, according to them. Now, do you
have any evidence, David Benowitz, that the HBO producers were working for the police, any evidence at all, or are you just, like, throwing that out
there?
BENOWITZ: Do I have any evidence? I`ll check my pocket and see if I have the evidence. I don`t have any on me.
GRACE: OK, so...
BENOWITZ: ... but I`d want to know more about that.
GRACE: ... that`s a no. All right, back very quickly -- Trinity, hold on -- to Miguel Marquez. Miguel, listen with me one more time, this
disputed sound. Now, according to many court watchers like myself, many people believe Robert Durst, due to his millions and millions of dollars,
has escaped justice -- rich man`s justice. You know what? I don`t like that. But maybe HBO may help us out. Take a listen to "The Jinx."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DURST: (INAUDIBLE) killed them all, of course.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s HBO`s "The Jinx." Don`t know the context or if HBO shared it with law enforcement or realized they had the audio, HBO owned by
CNN`s parent, Time Warner.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
20:18:06
DURST: I did not kill my best friend. I did dismember him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We the jury find the defendant Robert Durst not guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you write the cadaver note?
DURST: No, I didn`t write the cadaver note .
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you wrote one of these, but you didn`t write the other one.
DURST: I wrote this one, but I did not write the cadaver one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell me which you can you didn`t write?
DURST: No.
(INAUDIBLE) killed them all, of course.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This has been driving me crazy for years, the fact that Robert Durst, the multi-multi-millionaire -- his family`s worth billions of
dollars -- killed Morris Black and dismembered his body, threw his head in the Galveston Bay, and walked. His wife went missing years ago. Her
body`s never been found. His best friend ends up dead execution-style.
Now Durst`s finally behind bars. What you just saw is from HBO`s "The Jinx." It`s a docu-series. We don`t know that statement`s context or if
HBO shared that with the cops or if they realized what they had. HBO owned by Time Warner, CNN`s parent.
Straight back out to Miguel Marquez, CNN correspondent. You know what`s interesting about Robert Durst, other than...
MARQUEZ: So many things.
GRACE: ... many people believe (ph) his $100 million, OK? But you can`t teach an old dog a new trick, Miguel, because he does the same thing
over and over and over. Look at this video, Miguel, OK? It took me a long time to dig this up for you. There he is in a convenience store stealing a
chicken sandwich.
MARQUEZ: Yes.
GRACE: Now, his head is shaved. His eyebrows are shaved because he had been impersonating a mute woman. For a long time, he had been
pretending to be a mute woman. Observe -- no eyebrows or hair. All right, that`s around the time he killed Morris Black.
20:20:02
Now he`s caught with some pot and a gun in some New Orleans hotel under an assumed name, pretending to be somebody else now that a murder
case busts wide open. It`s like he does the same thing over and over, Miguel.
MARQUEZ: Well, that`s the interesting thing. He left Texas, Houston, Texas, on the 10th of March, and investigators were able to pick him up in
New Orleans. They believe he may have been trying to escape to Cuba. In addition to the pot and the .38 revolver in his hotel room, he had a lot of
cash, apparently. So he was going somewhere.
Now, his defense may say, Look, this is a guy who just wanted to stay out of the public limelight, wanted to relax and take some time. Durst was
known as a big pot smoker for many, many years, so it wouldn`t be surprising that he had marijuana. But all of this is leading to another
wrinkle in this very wrinkly case, in that on Monday, there`s going to a hearing to determine how long he`s going to be in detention. And he could
be in Louisiana for a while...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: If he makes bond -- if they give him bond...
MARQUEZ: No, there`s no bond.
GRACE: ... on this murder, I am going to flip out. I`m going to be laying on the courthouse steps...
MARQUEZ: No, no bond. No bond.
GRACE: ... if this rich man gets bond!
MARQUEZ: No bond. Right on -- right on -- right on the thing. It says right there, No bond. So there`s no bond from Los Angeles.
GRACE: It`s on you, Miguel. It`s on you, Miguel.
MARQUEZ: OK, it`s on me.
GRACE: You`re saying no bond.
MARQUEZ: No bond.
GRACE: No bond.
With me right now, friend of Kathie Durst, Ellen Strauss. Ellen, I want to thank you for being with us. Ellen, question to you.
ELLEN STRAUSS, FRIEND OF KATHIE DURST: Yes?
GRACE: Do you have any doubt on your mind that Durst knows what happened to his wife, Kathie?
STRAUSS: None whatsoever.
GRACE: Why?
STRAUSS: Well, because she always said to me -- I should look up, straight up -- If anything ever happens to me, look to Bob. Bob did it.
Don`t let him get away with it. I kept my promise. Took me 33 years, but I kept my promise. He did it. We always knew that, always knew that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
20:25:58
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For more than 30 years, law enforcement officials from three states have been on the case of Robert Durst, waiting for a
break like this.
DURST: (INAUDIBLE) of course.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very intelligent, very cunning. I think he has thrived on the media attention since the trial.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here in a New Orleans criminal courtroom, Robert Durst waived extradition, saying he will voluntarily go back to Los Angeles
to fight first degree murder charges.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You`re seeing a video from HBO`s "The Jinx." We don`t know Durst`s statement`s context of if it was shared with police or if HBO even
realized what they had in their hands -- HBO owned by CNN`s parent, Time Warner.
But what they had in their hands is audio of him saying, What did I do? I killed them all, of course. Why has this guy had rich man`s
justice?
With me, in addition to Miguel Marquez, CNN correspondent, also with me is Ellen Strauss. She is a long-time friend of Durst`s wife, Kathie,
who mysteriously goes missing. And as I recall, Ellen, he -- Durst -- changed his story I know of three times, three times about what happened
the night she goes missing.
STRAUSS: And he also admitted on "The Jinx" that he lied to the police. He had told everybody, Well, I called her, spoke to her in New
York, went out walking the dog, made it from a pay phone. It was a really lousy night, and he didn`t walk three miles to a pay phone. And he lied
about it, and he admitted he lied about it to the police.
GRACE: But why was it never prosecuted?
STRAUSS: Why was it never prosecuted? First of all, it was brought in New York originally. That was where the investigation started, not in
Westchester, where it should have been. And the police in New York believed the doorman and they believed the elevator operator and they were
incorrect. They were not listening to us back then. Three of her friends -- Eleanor Schwank (ph), Gilberta Najamie (ph) and I -- went to see them at
the precinct on more than one occasion and begged them to go to Westchester.
GRACE: Ellen, where do you think Kathie`s body is?
STRAUSS: I have no idea. I mean, there was talk about it being in the pine barrens. There was talk about it being chopped up and gotten rid
of. How would I know a thing like that? I mean, nobody knows but Bob Durst.
GRACE: Nobody knows.
STRAUSS: Nobody knows. And you know, even if he gets convicted in California, he`s never going to tell us where Kathie is. He`s going to
take it with him to the grave.
GRACE: What was his demeanor -- what was his demeanor after his wife goes missing, other than giving away her possessions and renting the
apartment out immediately?
STRAUSS: Well, you knew I went through his garbage.
GRACE: Yes.
STRAUSS: And I found he was throwing away her stuff, right away, maybe within a few weeks. I never saw him after she disappeared. I only
met him once, and that was at her graduation party. Kathie graduated and she went on to the medical school. I went on to law school, and we kept up
with each other on the phone. We talked all the time.
She used to call me all about his abusive behavior, and not just to her. But she had a friend, Peter Schwartz (ph), who was sitting on the
floor after they were out partying one night and -- cross-legged, and Bob kicked him and broke his occipital bone around his eye and ended up
settling out of court. And Kathie was very annoyed because, once again, she said, Bob got away with it.
GRACE: What do you think Susan Berman knew?
STRAUSS: Susan Berman knew a lot. And I have here documents, which I think you may have seen on the -- some of them -- on "The Jinx," where I
begged Westchester police to go out and take care of talking to her immediately. I have here in my possession a fax that I sent to Jeanine
Pirro`s office, and that was dated November 20th, the year 2000 -- November 20th, the year 2000.
20:30:05
And I had phone conversations with the detectives, and they told me that they -- the prosecutors office didn`t want to cut any checks to fly out to
California. They didn`t get interested in her until after she was dead. And Pirro went on television and she said to the general public, meaning
me, we didn`t know how the police worked. They liked to work from the periphery and go inward. Well, I said, go right to Susan, do it now.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
20:34:45
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The biggest bombshell came at the show`s conclusion, when Durst went into a bathroom while still mic`d after being
questioned about the murders.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you write the cadaver note?
DURST: No, I didn`t write the cadaver note.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell me which one you didn`t write?
DURST: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much.
DURST: Well, thank you very much. I am going to go use the restroom, which is right here.
What the hell did I do? Killed them all, of course.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What you just saw is from HBO`s "The Jinx." Don`t know the statement`s context or if HBO shared that with cops or if they even
realized what they had on the audio where Durst said "I killed them all."
HBO owned by CNN parent Time Warner. Straight out to CNN correspondent Miguel Marquez. For those of you just joining us, explain to
me the significance of this handwriting comparison and what is the cadaver letter -- which is one of those letters we saw.
MARQUEZ: This is really the big thing the filmmakers got as they started investigating this case. It was a letter sent shortly after the
death of Susan Berman that only the killer could have known. He sent it to the Beverly Hills police department. It was actually LA area, and inside
it just said the address, 1527 Benedict Canyon, Beverly Hills, Beverly misspelled all in block letters. A year before this. Cut to a year before
this. Remember, Susan Berman and Durst knew each other for years before this. He sent her a nice letter, saying congratulations, hope everything
is fine, see you in the future. But the address, the 1527 Benedict Canyon, not Benedict Canyon Drive, just Benedict Canyon. And Beverly misspelled
the same way as the cadaver note. Only the killer could have sent the cadaver note.
GRACE: Another thing. So that note tipped cops off to go to the home and find a dead body. The other thing you said he sent her a letter. He
also sent her two $25,000 checks. For what? Silence?
MARQUEZ: This is part of the tangled history between the two. They were very good friends. She did press for him.
GRACE: 50 large. Put Miguel up, 50 grand. For what?
MARQUEZ: I`m just a lowly paid reporter here, making the minimum wage. Look, they knew each other for many, many years. She was a great
crime writer.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Do your friends give you $50,000 for being a good friend?
MARQUEZ: No. The dirty rats have never given me $50,000.
GRACE: That`s what I`m saying.
MARQUEZ: That`s a lot of money. And (inaudible), a lot of money.
GRACE: And that alone doesn`t prove anything for me. But when you put that with this handwriting sample, which is his handwriting. He tipped
the cops off to go find her dead body. Number one. But No. 2. What he says on "The Jinx," I killed them all. With me right now, a forensic
document examiner out of Orlando. Tom Vastrick. Thank you so much for being with us. A renowned forensic document examiner. Tom, what do you
make of the two letters and why?
TOM VASTRICK, DOCUMENTS EXAMINER: Well, the first thing that I noticed when I looked at these was the spacing between the words. There is
an exceptionally large amount of spacing between the words. Also, looking at the individual letters, I noticed that some of the letters in both the
Susan Berman envelope and in the cadaver note --
GRACE: Hold on. Tom, we`re looking at the letters -- notice on the S, you start on the right, you swing back to a point and you circle under.
no. 1. On the L, you go down, and then you have a little loop up, and a loop de loop at the bottom of your L. On the E, block, he clearly goes
starts down and makes an L, and then fills in the two horizontal tops of the E. With the Y, it is a downward stroke and then a slash from right to
left, and with the R, the same thing. Look at the R. Look at the leg on the R, how it`s slightly circular. Observe. See that? Those are just
some similarities.
VASTRICK: Also, it does not come down as far as the stroke on the left side, what we call a short stroke.
GRACE: You`re right. I didn`t catch that.
VASTRICK: Absolutely compelling, letter after letter after letter. If you have the Durst envelope in front of you and the cadaver note, take a
look at the word Benedict and look at the letter N on both of them. It is sort of like the leaning tower of Pisa, it is leaning so far over. That
particular letter slants so much more than the rest of the word.
GRACE: That is why you are the expert, Tom Vastrick. Also with me another expert, body language expert, Janine Driver, president of the Body
Language Institute. Thank you for being with us. I want to show you a clip. Look at this, everyone, see if you catch what Janine catches.
20:40:02
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DURST: The writing looks similar, and the spelling is the same, so I can see the conclusion the cops would draw. Or the writing exemplar person
would conclude they were both written by the same person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I think -- this is a comparison of the two, right? Which is --
DURST: Very similar.
The writing exemplar person would conclude they were both written by the same person.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To you Janine, what do you see and what do you make of it?
JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Listen, it`s St. Patrick`s day but I feel like it`s Christmas day with this clip, Nancy, because it is
unbelievable how much we see. We see a shoulder shrug, which is uncertainty. When he says I can see how it looks the same, there is a
shoulder shrug. This is uncertainty. He`s doing a pacifying gesture by rubbing his face, playing with his ear. A pacifier, Nancy, is just like a
newborn baby uses a pacifier to comfort themselves. We see this when there is an increase in stress and anxiety. We see this in manipulators and
liars. He does that facial blocking with his hands over his face. He is burping. Do you know what? Million of people right now, Nancy, when they
have an increase in stress and anxiety, they begin to burp. Literally when there is a burp or a yawn, be cautious of the casual behavior. There could
be a con.
GRACE: You are seeing HBO`s The Jinx, and you are hearing Janine Driver, body language expert. Look at this. The covering his face when he
gets a question. The yawning, the scratching, the twisting, the burping. The carrying on. Noam Laden, WABC, what happens now?
LADEN: Great question. Right now he is in New Orleans, there on this felony possession of a firearm charge. There on the weed charge as well.
L.A. authorities want him as soon as possible. But first they are going to deal with him in New Orleans at least through Monday and then L.A. hopes to
get their hands on him after that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
20:46:13
GRACE: And tonight, a young mother of two little boys with us live, begging for the boys` return. Tonight, where are 7 and 8-year-old Jackson
and Parker?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their mother Sandy is simply overwhelmed. It is her mother and family who she is now leaning on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re such a close knit family and we love those boys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family members rallied inside a relative`s home in Mountain Lakes using Twitter and Facebook to get the faces of these boys
out there in New Jersey and all around the country to help find them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very difficult to not have them with us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Where are Jackson and Parker? Please look at these little boys. Now let me tell you, one of them may have on transitional glasses,
eyeglasses. They may have had their heads shaved. One, Parker, is reportedly asthmatic. With me right now their mother Sandra Hughes Dohm,
joining us, begging for your help. Sandra, thank you for being with us.
SANDRA HUGHES DOHM, MOTHER: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: When did you realize the boys were missing?
DOHM: On February 9th. It was a Monday. They were supposed to be returned home. My ex-husband Christopher was taking them on a trip to
Nevada to see their grandparents, and he was supposed to fly back with them on Monday, and he never showed up with them.
GRACE: Did they actually go on the trip to the grandparents?
DOHM: No. They did not. They never got on the plane.
GRACE: When did you learn they had never made it to Nevada?
DOHM: On Monday, the 9th. As I waited for their plane to come in at home, I was monitoring the flight information that Chris had sent me in an
e-mail, because we were having bad weather. And I was afraid that they would be delayed. And the plane came in, and then I waited for a while.
And the -- and every time I tried calling his number to -- to try to get in touch with him, it would just go directly as if the phone was off to an
automated message. And I waited about four hours because I figured maybe they -- there was some reason for him not having turned his phone back on.
And then I went to his apartment. And they weren`t there. So I went to the police station to report them missing.
GRACE: Everyone, with me is Sandra Hughes Dohm. Her boys are missing. And we need you to help us find them. It is Parker, age 8,
Jackson age 7. They were supposed to go on trip to Nevada with their dad. They never made it there. So where are they? Where are they?
Let me ask you this, Sandra. During this time, did you -- had you expected to hear from them while they were gone for the week in Nevada?
DOHM: I did expect to hear from them. But my son Parker had told me on Thursday night, because this was a last minute trip, I just found out
about it the night before they were supposed to leave, that he may not be able to call me because there was going to be not good service. And I told
him that I thought that I would talk to him. Because I -- I thought that they would be able to call me from either their grandparents house or his
uncle`s house.
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And I did not hear from them.
GRACE: OK. Also with me in addition to Sandra Hughes Dohm, everyone, please, we are begging, begging for your help to find these two boys, take
a look at them. And please put the tip line up. Please help us find them. Sandra Hughes Dohm tonight begging for your help. With me also, Francis
Koch, the (inaudible) county prosecutor. Francis, I`m so overwhelmed that we lost so much time because mom thought they were in Nevada on a trip they
never went on. So where do you start with that?
FRANCIS KOCH: Well, that was one of the problems that we had, Ms. Grace. When it first came in, as soon as it was reported to the police
department when Sandra came in, our office was immediately notified, and we notified the New Jersey state police and their missing persons unit and our
CART team, which is our child abduction response team, was activated. Pursuant to that, we went and followed up on some leads and we found out in
fact the Dohm children had not gone to Nevada, and that was false information that Mr. Dohm had given to Sandra.
GRACE: When is the last you`ve heard from Dohm, Francis? Everybody, with me, Francis Koch, the prosecutor, and Sandra Hughes Dohm, the mother.
When is the last time there was a text or an e-mail or phone call from the father?
KOCH: The last one we know of is on February 5th, when Sandra spoke with the two boys and said good-bye because they were going the next day.
Our last sighting of Mr. Dohm`s vehicle happened to have occurred on February 6th. We did not learn about that until February 12th, but on
February 6 a Baltimore police officer had noticed the vehicle driving through the Ft. McHenry tunnel in the early morning hours of February 6th,
with two stolen plates out of the town of Opaka (ph). They were stolen from other vehicles and placed on his vehicle, and then driven through that
area.
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GRACE: Two little boys missing, one with asthma. Dr. Morrone, what can that do in a stressful situation to a little boy with asthma?
MORRONE: Here`s the deal, asthma never used to kill people, but in this decade, it`s gotten more severe. They need inhalers, they need oral
medicine, and they need to be checked by urgent cares, E.R.s, pediatricians and family doctors. This is a very grave situation.
GRACE: Trinity Hundredmark and David Benowitz, to you, Trinity, the mom has never had any problems with the dad. It`s been amicable, they`ve
gotten along, they co-parented, and now this with no warning flag at all, Trinity?
HUNDREDMARK: Nancy, it`s really disheartening. Usually you`d see some sort of sign.
GRACE: Right.
HUNDREDMARK: You`d see some abuse or something.
GRACE: Right. Something.
HUNDREDMARK: One can only hope that maybe his diabetes has something to do with this, the dad`s diabetes.
GRACE: Wait. Dr. Saunders, help me out, why is the dad doing this now, completely cutting contact? These boys missing.
SAUNDERS: It`s very possible he`s not using his insulin, and when that happens, there are changes in the brain that cloud judgment, that
impair impulse control, and can make people do awful and horrendous things thinking that they are perfectly right doing it.
GRACE: Joe Carlson with the New Jersey Herald, Joe, are there ATM being used, pings on the cell phone, anything?
CARLSON: We have not received any information from the prosecutor`s office on any ATMs being used or pings on the cell phone. During a press
conference last week, the prosecutor`s office did say that they are following up on every lead that they have. But that they -- at that point,
they hadn`t had any cell phone contact or cell phone pings.
GRACE: Back to the boys` mom, Sandra Hughes Dohm, if your ex-husband can hear you tonight, what is your message to him?
DOHM: Chris, you need the bring the boys back home. You need to make sure that they come back to a place where they are safe and bring them back
to their family and their schools so they can be part of their community and do all of the activities that they are used to doing. This is causing
damage to them. They are outside of what they know, and they need to be brought back home to their safe environment.
GRACE: Everyone, please help us bring the boys back to their mother.
Let`s remember American hero, Army Specialist James Bridges, 22, rural (ph) Idaho. Purple Heart. Made everyone feel better when they were down.
Mother Lori father Matthew. Stepmother Joan. James Bridges, American hero.
And tonight, we ask for your help. Reports the church of Jackie Kennedy Onassis, St. Thomas More in New York may be closing. The Catholic
archdiocese claiming declining attendance and a shortage of priests. A letter campaign going now. Please keep this holy place off the chopping
block.
Drew up next with more Durst. I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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