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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, upscale Houston suburbs. Mommy and Daddy think a 29-year-old baby-sitter with a master`s
degree and a high-priced job with an oil company is the perfect baby-sitter for her 11-month-old little girl.
Bombshell tonight. We uncover the damning text messages between 29- year-old baby-sitter Ashley Dack and her scuzzy boyfriend, also with a master`s degree, holding down a five-figure oil company job, text messages
that will make your skin crawl, make your stomach turn, especially if you`re a parent.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "There was a little girl at lunch with blond pigtails. Wanted you to be hiding in my car and I could bring her to you.
We could use a seatbelt to hold her down and wrap around her neck so she couldn`t wiggle."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, multi-millionaire Robert Durst, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, walks free after he shoots and dismembers his
neighbor. Wife Kathie also disappears. That`s unsolved. HBO airs docu- series "The Jinx" about Durst and his shenanigans. Durst finally arrested as the prime suspect in the murder of long-time friend, Susan Berman. Many
believe Berman helped him dispose of his wife`s body.
The FBI raids his apartment in Houston. As Durst awaits extradition from New Orleans to California, tonight, we uncover the connections between
Durst and murder of New England teen Lynne Schulze, who bears a stunning resemblance to Durst`s missing wife, Kathie. This as another teen`s
family, Kristen Modaferri (ph), begs Durst, Come clean about our girl`s disappearance. The FBI expands its search for Durst`s murder victims from
California to Louisiana to Vermont and Texas.
And we uncover that just before Durst is busted, he has a lavish last meal and shows off his gun on the street. In the last hours, police swoop
down on the home of Durst`s close friend, carting out boxes of evidence. The noose tightens!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is the accused murderer, Robert Durst, connected to a decades-old cold case in Vermont?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Disappearance of Middlebury College student Lynne Schulze.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bob is being blamed for everything!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there`s something so terrible, you don`t want to say it or you think it`ll be construed the wrong way, then just leave it
out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from HBO`s "The Jinx."
And live, Virginia, a 5-year-old boy missing from his home, and Minnesota, a 10-year-old goes missing from his home. Tonight, where are
Noah (ph) and Barway (ph)?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are getting information, two little boys missing...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say that this 10-year-old boy has been missing...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have found on surveillance video two suspicious people. They`re not calling them suspects, but they say it`s
interesting...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you seen Barway Collins (ph)?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to figure where Noah could have gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ground crew started the search for Noah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s just a little boy. You can imagine at 5 years old, time is precious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And Greensburg, an upscale mall has an Easter bunny for photo shots. In the last hours, we learn the Easter bunny`s a registered sex
offender!
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, to upscale Houston suburbs. Mommy and Daddy think a 29-year-old baby-sitter with a master`s degree and a high-priced job with
an oil company is the perfect baby-sitter for her 11-month-old little girl.
But bombshell tonight. We uncover damning text messages between the 29-year-old baby-sitter, Ashley Dack, and her scuzzy boyfriend, also with a
master`s degree, holding down a five-figure oil company job, text messages that will turn your stomach, make your skin crawl, especially if you`re a
parent, too.
Straight out to Candace Trunzo senior news editor, Dailymail.com. Candace, I guess what is so shocking about this is when you uncover the
text messages. Candace, listen to this along with me. Roll it, Liz.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Oh, honey, I never know. There was a little girl at lunch with blond pigtails, kept dancing around on the floor, wanted
you to be hiding in my car and I could bring her to you, maybe four (ph)."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Would love that. Would you join us, or leave us alone?"
[20:05:00]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Join you. We could use the seatbelt to hold her down and wrap around her neck so she couldn`t wiggle because it
would be tighter and tighter."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "She`d be so scared."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "But no one could hear her if we were in my car."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I would hold her neck and head as you pulled her pants off."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "What can we do this weekend to feed our twinkles?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Try the pool. I`m see if lil pea wants to come, too. Always looking for pictures."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Can`t wait to see and touch."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Hey, you know, I really don`t know what to say after that text message exchange. But that is the evidence, and it`s our job not to turn
away from the evidence, which would be the easy thing to do. We are to confront it and deal with it.
Candace Trunzo, who is this woman, Ashley Virginia Dack?
CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): You know, it`s unbelievable to me, Nancy because this is not a low-life person. This is
someone who is a -- as you point out, a graduate, a geologist, someone who has a career...
GRACE: Well, wasn`t it something like...
TRUNZO: ... and the boyfriend has one, too.
GRACE: ... exploratory geology with a master`s degree and she`s pulling down $60,000, $80,000 a year with an oil company? I looked on her
LinkedIn just before we went to air, and it says she still works for an oil company. I guess not. I wonder if they have any idea why she hasn`t
reported to work, Candace.
TRUNZO: Oh, I`m sure they have. I`m sure they have. I mean, she is -- she is -- right now she`s in custody. There is, I think, a $350,000
bond.
GRACE: Well, hold on!
TRUNZO: He has no bond at all.
GRACE: Take it from the top, Candace...
TRUNZO: And I`m sure that her company is aware -- well aware and...
GRACE: Candace! Candace! Candace! I`m not worried bout Chevron. I`m worried about this woman and this little 11-month-old that she
molested, according to police, and how many other children she may have molested.
What blew the whole thing wide open is text messages. Listen as we play another round of the perfect baby-sitter`s text messages. According
to police, this 29-year-old grad student working for Chevron oil company as an exploratory geologist -- the perfect baby-sitter, Mommy and Daddy
thought, for their children, at least two children, possibly three, one 11 months old.
After these text messages, we find out that she and her boyfriend, also under arrest, Patrick Schuneman, also with a master`s degree, also
working for an oil company, had been molesting children and taking photos of the molestation, graphic photos of molesting an 11-month-old child, that
we know of, and sending them back and forth by their cell phones. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say one text message exchange between the couple was in response to an alleged sexually graphic image of Dack
abusing a 11-month-old.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Going to get our pics tonight?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After sending this message, authorities say Dack sent the sexually graphic image to Schuneman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Incredible. Best ever seen. Thank you. Thank you so much for my gift. Sweet dreams."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "One night, lili passed out on the loveseat. I checked on her, and when she didn`t move, I felt her panties under her
shorts. She had pissed, but I used it as an excuse to ask her over and over if she had."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I thought you told me before you tested her, but you never told me when that was."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "SO I played with her a little. She didn`t move."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did you like her, baby?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: All right, Matt Zarrell, how did these text messages from the perfect baby-sitter back and forth to her scuzzy boyfriend -- how did they
come to light, Matt?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, Dack allegedly bragged about her exploits to another boyfriend. This is
boyfriend number two. And after boyfriend number...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait! So Matt, she`s got the one boyfriend that she`s exchanging child porn with, according to police,
and she`s two-timing him with another boyfriend?
ZARRELL: Well, when the second boyfriend found out about these exploits and Dack asked him to charge her phone for her, he immediately
grabs the phone, backs up all the text messages, and then calls police and turns over the evidence.
GRACE: You know, just when you think you`ve seen it all, you find a case like this. We were just showing you her ritzy apartment where she
lives, bringing down tons of money. I wonder if the mother ever thought, Why is she baby-sitting on top of her high-paying job as an exploratory
geologist?
So Candace Trunzo, Dailymail.com, let me understand this correctly. This woman, 29-year-old Ashley Dack, is molesting, according to police,
babies 11 months old, that she`s supposed to take care of. And she is photographing it and sending it to her scuzzy boyfriend. Do I understand
that correctly?
[20:10:06]TRUNZO: You do. You do. I mean, she -- she is engaging in oral sex on a baby. It is really, truly one of the most disgusting,
disturbing stories I`ve heard in a long time -- graphic messages, the photos, the exchange of texts about what they`re going to do, getting off
on what they`re going to do or what they`ve done. It`s -- it`s just repulsive.
GRACE: Well, the reality is, the two text messages we`ve shown you are the tip of the iceberg.
Unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, prosecutor, with me, Jeff Herman, victims` rights attorney. Also with us, Peter Odom, defense attorney.
First out to you, Jeff Herman. This is the tip of the iceberg, Jeff, the tip of the iceberg!
JEFF HERMAN, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Right, and there`s a couple takeaways here, I think, for parents to look at closely. Number one, this
is somebody they knew. Ninety percent of predators are -- kids are abused by somebody they know. It`s not typically the stranger. The other thing
is pedophiles come in all shapes and sizes. You know, this is a white woman who`s got an advanced degree. And so parents need to be aware. But
where there is smoke...
GRACE: Yes, you know what? You brought up a really good point, Jeff. A lot of times, parents feel more at ease and more secure when they hire a
female baby-sitter.
Back to the lawyers, Eleanor and Peter. Peter Odom, defense attorney out of Washington, D.C. What I don`t understand is why she has a bond
tonight. I mean, the evidence is compelling. He`s just as bad as her, so why does she get a bond and not him?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, she`s got a bond, but she`s got a fairly high bond. It`s $350,000. Chances are, he`s got some kind of a
criminal record. But you know, she doesn`t have...
GRACE: I don`t know of any criminal record at all on either of these two. As a matter of fact, they`re considered white collar due to the
amount of money they`re bringing in, Peter Odom. I mean, I really don`t think that he would have made it all the way through exploratory geology
and get a master`s degree and then be working at this oil company if he was a convicted felon. These guys are squeaky clean until now.
P. ODOM: And that`s why -- and that`s why they`ve got a bond. Remember that the 8th Amendment guarantees a reasonable bond. So she`s got
a reasonable bond.
GRACE: Put him -- put him up! Put him up!
P. ODOM: Yes, I`m talking about...
GRACE: You know what?
P. ODOM: ... the Constitution, Nancy...
GRACE: You know what, Odom? No, no!
P. ODOM: ... your Constitution. Your Constitution...
GRACE: Don`t preach to me...
P. ODOM: ... entitles her to a reasonable bond.
GRACE: ... about the Constitution because, Eleanor...
P. ODOM: I`m not preaching, I`m just reminding you.
GRACE: ... I bet you`ll back me up that the founding fathers did not anticipate Ashley Dack molesting an 11-month-old baby girl, talking about,
Oh, I saw a little blond with pigtails dancing around on the floor. I wanted to kidnap her, bring her to you so we could molest her in the car
and hold her down with a seatbelt. I bet Jefferson never anticipated that when he came up with the 8th!
ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Who could have predicted any of this? But what I liked about those text messages are that they show clearly her
intent. And she may put out this picture-perfect, you know, persona, but she is really a pervert, Nancy, and you can see it through every text that
she has.
GRACE: And you know what? We pulled up -- El, look at these Facebook photos. We pulled these off of her Facebook. Look at her! There she is
at spring break. There she is doing karaoke. You know, there she is at school with all her friends. BS! Cops say she is a perv to the max. And
max is exactly what she is going to get. And if you don`t believe me, listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "And I think I`m baby-sitting pea tomorrow night."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Would love for you to. Awesome. On a Friday night?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Yes. Friday. You should come help me watch her."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Wish I could."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Maybe we could Skype, or I`ll get us pictures, at least."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We`ll try. Have to do something."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "We will. It`s why I offered to watch her."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I can`t wait to see your pictures of pea all close up."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I will definitely (DELETED) her for you this time. Very close. I`ll see how creative I can get. You`ll be thinking
about it the whole time I`m there, wondering what I`m doing."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Want so badly to touch. Will find a way. Good night for now. Thank you, baby."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "We will find a way. It`s just a start. More opportunities will come. Sweet dreams, beautiful. See you soon in mine.
Thank you."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:18:55]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Text messages were sexually explicit and discussed sexually assaulting and photographing very young children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I played with her a little. She didn`t move."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did you like her, baby?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: It was only until these damning texts were uncovered that this baby-sitter, 29-year-old Ashley Dack, with a master`s degree and a high-
paying job as a geologist and her scuzzy boyfriend, Patrick Schuneman, were arrested. Take a look. Tonight, police giving out tip line 713-830-3250
out of fear these two have baby-sat more children.
I want to go to psychologist Judy Ho. Judy, what I don`t understand is the whole way this thing cracked wide open is because Dack was bragging
about taking photos and molesting a 11-month-old little girl, graphic photos of the girl`s vagina. And she was bragging to her two-timing
boyfriend, all right, her secret boyfriend.
[20:20:02]Well, she asked him to charge her phone. And when he did, he backed up her phone. And instead of just giving it back to her, he went
to police. So here`s my question to you, Judy Ho. Why would a woman think it`s attractive to brag about child molestation to her boyfriend? I mean,
what about that scenario would make him want to be with her?
JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Unfortunately, Nancy, I have seen this before in very severe people who have been really disturbed by some of their own
sexual abuse experiences, possibly when they were children. And now they feel like to get a man`s respect and to get them to accept her, they have
to do these extreme things to try to goad somebody into taking care of them, into loving them. And I`m not saying that there is any excuse for
this women. I`m just saying that she is so twisted that...
GRACE: Well...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... sounds like you`re making an excuse for her, saying, Oh, this is the only way she can get a man. All right, number one, FYI,
headline, you don`t have to have a man. But that aside -- that in no way makes me sympathetic to her.
HO: No.
GRACE: To the lawyers, Eleanor and also Peter Odom with us, along with Jeff Herman. Eleanor, don`t you believe that parents are somehow
lulled into a sense of security with a female baby-sitter, unlike the baby- sitter from hell, Ashley Dack?
E. ODOM: Well, of course they are, Nancy, because somebody who`s going to abuse a child isn`t going to be like the scary-looking man in the
trenchcoat on the corner. It`s going to be somebody the parents know...
(CROSSTALK)
E. ODOM: Exactly.
GRACE: Look at her!
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... she`s there with her sorority sisters, for Pete`s sake!
E. ODOM: Right.
GRACE: OK, guys, this is what cracked this wide open. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Oh, honey, I never know. There was a little girl at lunch with blond pigtails, kept dancing around on the floor, wanted
you to be hiding in my car and I could bring her to you, maybe four (ph)."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Would love that. Would you join us, or leave us alone?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Join you. We could use the seatbelt to hold her down and wrap around her neck so she couldn`t wiggle because it would
be tighter and tighter."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "She`d be so scared."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "But no one could hear her if we were in my car."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I would hold her neck and head as you pulled her pants off."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:14]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defendants befriend women who have small children, and she becomes good friends with them to gain access to
the children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defendant and a co-defendant exchanged multiple text messages over a period of time that`s something more sadistic
than your typical sexual abuse.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Warning, the content that we are playing for you is graphic. And it regards the seemingly perfect baby-sitter turning out to be, say
(ph) -- and molesting a child as young as 11 months, graphically molesting them, taking pictures of it to send to her boyfriend, and he basically
doing the same with somebody I guess he`s baby-sitting. I`m not quite sure how that whole thing worked out.
But to Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. You know, a lot of these photos that she`s sending back and forth are time-coded. Can we
trust those time codes? Because when a jury see this woman, this baby- sitter, I mean, she looks like the all-American girl. And how can we prove in court that these pictures, the pictures -- the images of child
pornography were not doctored? Because that is going to be the defense.
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): We see this all the time in court, Nancy. If anyone`s ever tried to fight a charge on
your phone bill, you know it is impossible because every time you send a message, receive a message, make a phone call or get a phone call, the
phone companies keep very accurate technical records that are time-stamped.
GRACE: So you don`t see a problem in introducing these.
LEVITAN: Absolutely.
GRACE: I got another question. Eleanor, isn`t it true these two are charged with super-aggravated battery, sexual battery on a child. It`s the
first time I`ve heard of the phraseology. The code says super-aggravated child molestation. But they haven`t been charged with child porn yet. The
reality is that every time one of these images is sent, that is a whole new child porn charge.
E. ODOM: You`re exactly right, Nancy. And what they`ll probably do - - what the prosecutors will probably do is wait, make sure they have all the evidence, that it`s examined by a forensic examiner, and then charge
them probably with producing it, with distributing it because every time you send to it someone, that`s distribution.
And also, they can run -- give the child`s pictures to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children so they will have that in their
data bank. If those pictures show up again somewhere...
GRACE: So Peter...
E. ODOM: ... they can get that.
GRACE: ... what`s your defense? What`s the defense here? What, blame the other -- each blame the other?
P. ODOM: Yes. I mean, I will tell you what the defense is going to be.
GRACE: All right.
P. ODOM: First of all, the woman is going to blame the man. The man`s going to try and blame the woman. You know that that`s going to
happen. Also, remember that the state has the burden of proof of attributing all the texts and all the photos to the individual defendants.
So there might be a defense there. Also...
GRACE: Well, I hear you, Peter Odom, and I...
P. ODOM: Also, Nancy, the pictures -- you know, they`re saying that these pictures depict child pornography. And what we seem to have is a
whole lot of texts and a whole lot of pictures. I don`t know if there`s any child that`s filed a complaint yet.
GRACE: Well, here`s the reality. Although you, Peter Odom, are saying she`s going to blame him and probably some weird hybrid of mind
control or Stockholm syndrome, which is not true, or as Judy Ho was saying, that she was in such a bad state of mind, she thought the only way she
could get a man is through child porn -- I`m not feeling the sympathy for Ashley Dack tonight or her creepy, pervy boyfriend, Patrick Schuneman. And
this is why. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "One night, lili passed out on the loveseat. I checked on her, and when she didn`t move, I felt her panties under her
shorts. She had pissed, but I used it as an excuse to ask her over and over if she had."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I thought you told me before you tested her, but you never told me when that was."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "So I played with her a little. She didn`t move."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did you like her, baby?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Live, Virginia, a five-year-old little boy missing from his home. And to Minnesota suburbs, a ten-year-old boy goes missing from his
home. Tonight, where are Noah and Edwin?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you seen Barway Collins? Authorities say this ten-year-old boy has been missing. Surveillance video shows him being
dropped off after school by a school bus near his apartment. But Barway didn`t go inside. The video shows him instead turning around and walking
away from the apartment complex`s parking lot.
[20:35:00]
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is scary and we`re all just hoping for the best.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five-year-old Noah Thomas has been missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have no vehicle, no stranger description or anything else. We`re simply looking for a missing child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to the child`s mother, Noah was watching cartoons when she went to take a nap, but when she woke up, the boy was
gone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to James Gemmell, the news director at WJRW. James, thanks for being with us. I want to start with Noah, the five-year-
old. It is my understanding that the mom and Noah take the father to work. It is on a Sunday morning. They come back and the mom takes a nap. It is
about 10:00 a.m. When she wakes up, no Noah. What do you know, James?
JAMES GEMMELL, NEWSTALK WJRW: When they returned home, like you said, she was sleeping. And then she got up and discovered Noah missing. The
storm door was closed, but the interior door was ajar. Now there is a road nearby that is used as a cut-through to Fairlawn (ph) and from the New
River Valley Airport. Did a stranger perhaps travel by? Or did the boy perhaps wander into a nearby pool? There`s been some debate over whether
they should drain it. All that type of thing--
GRACE: Hold on just a moment. Anthony Akers, assistant Pulaskey County administrator, I thought the pond had been drained already.
AKERS: The pond has not been drained, but they are very sure, about 90 percent confident through divers he is not in the pond.
GRACE: So they sent divers in, then. Now tell me, Anthony, the status of the search for five-year-old Noah. And I didn`t know about the
cut-through where people use that to get from the residential area to a more business area.
AKERS: It is a two-lane road. Sharp s curves. It is a cut-through. A country road going to two major. One goes north into the next county.
But the other one goes to another part of the county. But where the search stands, FBI and everyone searching, there are no leads in the case, which
makes it very difficult.
GRACE: And the mother heard nothing. She was asleep.
AKERS: Mother was asleep, woke up and he was gone.
GRACE: Has Noah ever wandered away before or is this the first time this has ever happened?
AKERS: This is the first time it`s ever happened.
GRACE: Unusual. San Diego Chargers jersey, number 21. Black and yellow long pants and a camo shirt or jacket. Is his jacket missing,
Anthony?
AKERS: The jacket is missing.
GRACE: Did he have that on when mom took a nap?
AKERS: Not to our knowledge. The jacket ended up missing. When they looked through the house, it`s missing.
GRACE: Interesting that he didn`t have it on when she took a nap and then it`s gone missing. Everyone, we are talking about five-year-old Noah
Terry Thomas. He disappears just this past Sunday morning. The tip line is 540-980-7800. And back to you, Anthony, tell me about the search for
him.
AKERS: The search is very methodical. They keep going over the same areas time and again. And it`s expanded and turning up nothing. They are
leaving no stone unturned and checking every convenience store anywhere they may have gone or think they may have gone and checking the
surveillance video.
GRACE: Anthony Akers, let me ask you a delicate question. Right now nothing is implicating mom or dad. Father was at work just as they said.
Two questions to you. Have the parents offered to take a polygraph test? And who, aside from the parents, saw Noah alive last?
AKERS: Just the parents last. And I have -- it has not been conveyed to me that they are willing to take a polygraph. I`m not privy to that
information. However, the police said right now the family does not want to talk to the media.
GRACE: And I assume that they have been cooperative.
AKERS: They have been very cooperative.
GRACE: Well, just because they don`t talk to the media doesn`t mean anything. The mom probably doesn`t have the strength to talk to the media
right now. Beside herself over her missing child. Let me ask you this. Are the searches ongoing right now?
AKERS: Search is ongoing and has intensified and will go through the night until we find Noah.
GRACE: Tip line, 540-980-7800. Also missing is a 10-year-old little boy. He is a beautiful little boy. And I`m talking about Barway Edwin
Collins. And with me in addition to James Gemmell from WJRW, is Chief Stephanie Revering from the Crystal Police PD. Thank you for being with
us.
CHIEF STEPHANIE REVERING, CRYSTAL PD: Yes, Nancy, thank you.
GRACE: I am beside myself about this 10-year-old boy. Look at that smile. He is beautiful. Look at those shining eyes. And what`s upsetting
is, isn`t it true he got off the school bus and was walking towards his apartment complex. And look at this video, guys. This is him getting off
the school bus. Chief, I`m sure you have seen this. There he is.
[20:40:06]
REVERING: And he gets out like he`s going to go home. But then he doesn`t. What happened, Chief?
REVERING: Yes. So the first video that you are actually looking at is the video that`s showing him getting off the school bus. There is audio
that states there is my dad as he`s looking to his left. And then later in the video, he looks to his right and says there is my uncle. He then exits
the bus and then as he approaches the entrance to his apartment building, it appears as he`s peeking into the window and then goes to the door, that
he is called over to the parking lot area.
GRACE: You know, Chief Stephanie Revering with us from Crystal P.D. You hear him say wait there is my dad, wait no, there is my uncle?
REVERING: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: And I assume the two have been questioned, correct? The dad and the uncle.
REVERING: At this point the father has been questioned, yes.
GRACE: And as of tonight, no suspects, correct? Nobody`s been named a person of interest or a suspect.
REVERING: We have several credible leads that we are investigating.
GRACE: Chief, what about the photo of the man and woman that you were looking at caught on closed circuit TV? Have they been ruled out? I`m
showing them right now, Chief.
REVERING: We are still actually trying to identify both of those folks. They may or may not have been involved.
GRACE: Did Edwin live with his mother and father?
REVERING: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: And we have spoken to the mother and father. Have they agreed to take polies?
REVERING: Yes, they did.
GRACE: That to me is an incredible sign. Eleanor and Peter joining me tonight. One a defense lawyer, one a prosecutor. El, when the parents
agree outright to take a polygraph, that speaks to me.
E. ODOM: You know, Nancy, polygraphs are really important. Because they can show whether or not there is deception. You can`t always count on
them a hundred percent, but it`s part of the investigative process because it still adds something to the investigation.
GRACE: Guys, we are talking about Edwin Collins, just 10 years old. Help us find him. Tip line, 952-258-5321.
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[20:46:48]
GRACE: As multi millionaire Robert Durst awaits extradition from New Orleans to California, tonight we uncover the connections between Durst and
the murder of New England teen Lynn Schultze, who bears a stunning resemblance to Durst`s missing wife Kathie. This as another teen`s family,
Kristen Modafferi, begs Durst to come clean about her disappearance. The FBI expands its search for Durst`s murder victims from California, to
Louisiana, to Vermont, to Texas, and we uncover that just before he`s busted, Durst had a lavish last meal, even showing off his gun on the
street. In the last hours, police swoop down on the home of Durst`s close friend, carting out boxes and boxes of documents and evidence. The noose
tightens.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police investigating a connection between Durst and the disappearance of Middlebury College student Lynn Schultze. Durst
owned a health store there.
DURST: I had this health food store in my mind. And then I met Kathie. And she -- we got along great and she was right away in favor of
it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is from HBO`s The Jinx. Straight out to Matt Birkbeck, author of "A Deadly Secret." It is uncanny to me, the resemblance between
Lynn Schultze and his wife who disappeared, Kathie Durst. They are so similar. And the connection between him and Schultze is really astounding,
Matt.
MATT BIRKBECK, AUTHOR: It`s -- well, I think the police said that they -- that she had been at his store that day. And then apparently went
missing about an hour or two later in the vicinity of the store. I think what`s really interesting though is that it appears that this girl has
disappeared either at same time or just before he met Kathie Durst. Kathie apparently met him -- my understanding was it was the following January, so
he apparently went back to New York.
GRACE: You are seeing shots right there, Matt, of the Durst health store that he and his wife started. What we`re talking about is now new
connections between multi millionaire Robert Durst, who walks free after he confesses he kills and dismembers his next door neighbor, Morris Black.
His head has never been found. Now is he connected to yet a third girl? That being Lynne Schultze. Now from what I understand, out to Justin
Freiman. Justin, Schultze was last seen in and around his the health food store. Let`s see that again, Liz. She was outside the front of the health
food store eating some dried prunes that she had just bought inside.
Now she is a teen. And they thought that she caught the bus just outside of his health food store. But then she never -- you are seeing
HBO`s The Jinx. Now is that how the whole thing goes down with Lynne Schultze?
[20:50:03]
FREIMAN: Actually, Nancy, she was outside his store twice that day. She was first seen outside the store around 12:30 at the bus stop eating dried
prunes she bought from Durst`s health food store, and she told someone she was taking a bus to New York. Only that bus had already left. She is then
seen shortly after that back at her dorm, then she misses her 1:00 exam, and then she`s seen again on the street at the bus stop right outside of
Durst`s store, never seen again.
GRACE: Okay. The comparison between Lynne Schultze and to his missing, we all know dead, wife Kathy is incredible, and the last time
she`s seen, she`s just outside multimillionaire Robert Durst`s health food store. If you`ve got any doubt about Durst`s feelings towards his wife,
who vanishes also, claiming to take public transit into the city, she never shows up. Take a listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DURST: Kathy first started changing from the Kathy I met when I made her get an abortion. I said, I told you from the beginning I didn`t want
children. You agreed that we wouldn`t have children. Now you`re telling me you want -- you`re pregnant, which, you know, you`re in charge of that
stuff, not me. And you want to keep the baby. Well, you keep the baby, you`re going to get divorced from me, period.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It sounds like you were pretty adamant about it.
DURST: I was strictly adamant. I just didn`t want kids around. I didn`t want to raise children. Somehow I thought it would be a jinx.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That you might be a jinx for them?
DURST: Yes. And I knew I wasn`t going to be a good father.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What happened to Kathy Durst? What happened to Lynne Schultze? That`s from HBO`s The Jinx.
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[20:56:25]
GRACE: To Greensburg, an upscale mall has an Easter bunny for photo shoots, eggs, baskets, the works. Well, in the last hours, we learned the
Easter bunny is a registered sex offender.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jacobs was brought on before his background check was completed. He worked a total of 12 hours.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody looks at me different and this is why I had trouble getting a job, and it`s just -- I didn`t touch no kids or
anything like that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But we found Jacobs was convicted in two different cases of having sex with a 15-year-old girl when he was 19.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s messed up that people judge me for me just being on that site, basically.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, you mean judging him because he`s on the registered sex offender site, and correct me if I`m wrong, wasn`t he
wearing a pentagram around his neck? What kind of Easter Bunny is that? With a pentagram around his neck?
DAVID BLOMQUIST, 1320 WJAS: I`ve even seen a report, Nancy, where he had a tattoo of a pentagram tattooed on his wrist. (inaudible) on his left
arm, you know. Image is everything. I don`t think you need a background check on this guy, you can take one look at him and realize he`s not the
smartest tool in the shed. I don`t think you need a background check to realize this guy should not be around kids.
GRACE: Peter Odom, the guy says don`t judge me because I`m on a website, that website happens to be a sex offender site. He`s got one
tattoo, "this is pain," he`s got another tattoo that is a pentagram. I don`t know if you are familiar, but that`s connected to devil worship,
Peter Odom. You want your child sitting in his lap?
P. ODOM: Nancy, this guy was convicted of a Romeo and Juliet offense. Which has effectively been decriminalized in most states. There is nothing
prohibiting contacts with children. He was a 19-year-old -- he was a teenager who had sex with another teenager, and unfortunately in the state
that happened--
GRACE: You are leaving something out.
P. ODOM: -- that resulted in a lifetime stigma for this guy. There is no evidence he never touched a kid.
GRACE: You`re leaving something out.
P. ODOM: No, I`m not.
GRACE: Stacy Newman, isn`t it true there was a 13-year-old child that he was accused of molesting that died before it could go to court?
NEWMAN: That`s right. She actually was 12 years old, and that was also a sex assault case. The only reason that didn`t go forward, as you
said, is because she died before that could go to trial.
GRACE: David Blomquist, how old was the child he had sex with and was convicted? How old was that child?
BLOMQUIST: Well, 15 years old. And he was 19, and it`s against the law, period. And he did it twice. Not only once but twice. When are you
going to learn your lesson? The first time you get convicted of it, you would think you`d learn, and then he goes and does it a second time, as you
just mentioned. You`ve got the little girl who died in a car accident. The guy is just a scumbag and he doesn`t want to be judged? How can`t you
judge him?
GRACE: I tell you what, the pentagram tattoo alone would have scared me away. My guess is he was counting on the bunny costume to hide that.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Marine Lance Corporal, Clifford Collinsworth. Just 20, Chelsea, Michigan. Two Purple Hearts, wanted to go
to college and teach history. Parents Donald and Tricia, sister Melissa. Clifford Collingsworth, American hero.
And a special good night to our friend Ronnie. Here he is taking a picture (ph) with the penguins while running the Antarctica marathon.
Congratulations, Ronnie. Drew is up next with more on Durst. I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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