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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live to Virginia and stunning developments in the story of this missing 5-year-old little boy,
Noah Thomas. And tonight, Minnesota a 10-year-old boy goes missing from his home. Where are Noah and Barway (ph)?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would never hurt my son.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) says the video police released that captured Barway saying, Oh, there`s my dad, and, Oh, there`s my uncle, has
nothing to do with him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five-year-old Noah Thomas had been missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this time, we have no vehicle, no stranger description or anything else. We`re simply looking for a missing child.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live to California, beach side Inspiration Point, 10 stories high. Did a surfer dad beach bum who has no interest in his 4-year-old
little girl, even demanding Mommy get an abortion, then try to have Mommy deported when she refused to abort, after four years, he suddenly demands
visitation, only seeing her 14 times in her whole life. And on that final visit with Daddy, did he hurl her from that cliff, Inspiration Point, 10
stories tall, to her death?
He claims the little girl, Lauren, led him up this dangerous cliff, although her mom says she hates heights. Eyewitnesses claim the little
girl dragging feet along behind Daddy.
And why, when Daddy meanders down the side of the cliff as his daughter`s floating face down in the water, does he take time to calmly remove his
clothes before jumping in to save her, then get re-dressed before attempts at Corporate? Tonight, Daddy claims he was set up.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. We are going live to Virginia with stunning developments in the story of a missing 5-year-old little boy, Noah Thomas.
This is what we know. We know that Mommy says she and Noah and an infant sibling take Daddy to work Sunday morning. We believe we can confirm that.
She says then she comes home and she takes a nap, exhausted, while Daddy`s at work. Little Noah, 5 years old, is watching cartoons in the living
room.
When she wakes up an hour-and-a-half later, Noah is gone, the front door is slightly ajar. The storm door is still closed. She heard nothing,
including a storm door. We find that his camouflage jacket is also gone. He was not watching that while he was -- he was not wearing that while he
was wearing (sic) cartoons.
So does a 5-year-old little boy put on his jacket and wander out? Did that happen? The entire countryside has been scoured. Hundreds of tips have
poured in.
But right now, as we go live to Virginia, we are hearing reports from three different law enforcement sources telling CNN affiliate WDBJ that Noah
Thomas`s body has been found. Those are the reports that we are getting right now.
The home has been placed in lockdown. It is completely surrounded by police tape. Let`s see the home, please. Helicopters are hovering over
the scene. Reports from our affiliate WDBJ, based on three law enforcement sources, that 5-year-old Noah has been found.
We know that a tent has been set up just outside Noah`s house. We know that law enforcement converging on that country home. We know that police
and crime scene technicians are now approaching the house in hazmat outfits.
Straight out to Noam Laden, WABC. What do we know, Noam?
NOAM LADEN, WABC (via telephone): Well, obviously, this is not the ending we had hoped for. Just awful. But you know, what`s interesting is all
week long, when the police department was holding press conferences to talk about Noah`s disappearance, there were a couple times when the police said
the parents, Paul Thomas (ph) and Ashley (ph), were not suspects in this case. But now, as you can see, the police tape is surrounding the home
where Noah and his parents live.
[20:05:03]GRACE: You know, I want to find out -- Noam Laden, all the reports are that Daddy was taken to work that morning by Noam -- by Noah
and the mom and the infant sibling. Has that been confirmed? Because if that`s confirmed, does that mean that the father does not know anything
about the child`s body? Can we confirm he was at work? And do we know, at his office, was there a security surveillance camera that would show
whether Noam was -- Noah was in the car at the time?
LADEN: You`re going to have to ask the police that question. We don`t know that for sure. I mean, the only part we know is what Ashley (ph), the
mom told police, was that she came home. It was 7:00 AM. Noah was watching cartoons. She was tired. She took a nap. And when she woke up,
depending on which story -- there`s a couple different stories -- either an hour or two hours later, that Noah wasn`t in the house anymore. He was
gone.
GRACE: This coming on the fifth day after it was reported little Noah is missing. This is Noah Thomas pictured here, just 5 years old, 60 pounds.
After a flurry of activity around the home of 5-year-old Noah Thomas, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has been informed the
child has been located deceased.
Michael Christian, can you tell me, are the police and hazmat focusing on a septic tank in the back of the home?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Those are reports that we have seen, Nancy. You know, they had searched a 7-square-mile area
around this house. As you say, they`ve been searching for five days. They even at one point were apparently crawling on their hands and knees through
the underbrush, trying to see the scene as a little child would see it. So this outcome is just devastating. It`s just heartbreaking.
GRACE: Everyone, we knew that something was amiss when a 2:00 o`clock presser by police this afternoon was called off, that news conference
called off. And then suddenly, we were keyed in to the fact that the home was in lockdown, nobody going in or coming out, and surrounded by crime
scene tape.
Additional information regarding the timeline seems to have developed. We`re trying to figure out exactly who saw Noah last. It was previously
reported Mommy sees her son at 7:00 AM. Then there were reports, conflicting reports she saw him around 8:15. He was in school on Friday.
So we can pinpoint, can we not, Michael Christian, that Noah Thomas was alive on Friday at school? He left school as normal on Friday, correct?
CHRISTIAN: That`s right, Nancy. And I`ve also read that the family was seen on Saturday.
GRACE: So it`s that critical time between Saturday evening and Sunday morning. Right now, we are trying our best to confirm reports. We know
from WDBJ and three law enforcement sources that Noah`s body has been found. And at this hour, at this moment, we know police converged on the
home, hazmat outfits, tent set up, reports police are now set to dig up a septic tank.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:13:07]GRACE: Live, California beach side, Inspiration Point, 10 stories high. Did a surfer dad beach bum who had no interest in his 4-
year-old little girl, even demanding Mommy get an abortion, then trying to have Mommy deported when she refused to abort -- suddenly, he demands
visitation four years later. He only sees his little girl 14 times in her entire short life. And on his final visit, police say he hurled the 4-
year-old little girl from that cliff at Inspiration Point, 10 stories tall, to the child`s death.
Now, Daddy claims the little girl, Lauren, led him up to the dangerous cliff, even though Mommy says she hated heights. Eyewitnesses claim the
contrary, that the little girl was dragging at least 5 to 10 feet behind Daddy as he hiked up the mile-and-a-half cliff.
And why, when he meanders down the cliffside as his daughter, his little girl is floating face down in the water -- why did Daddy take time to
calmly remove his clothes like he`s on "Baywatch" before jumping in to save her, then gets re-dressed before his attempts at CPR? Tonight, Cameron
Brown claims he has been set up.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Daddy says the little girl accidentally slipped off the edge.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "OK. OK, now, what seems to be the problem?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "My daughter fell off a cliff in Palos Verdes."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "OK, how far down did she go, approximately?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Oh, I don`t know. That`s really far, a hundred yards."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors don`t call it an accident. They say Lauren`s death was murder at the hand of her own father.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Out to Larry Altman, reporter with "The Daily Breeze," who has been on this from the get-go. You have stood at the top of that cliff. What
did you see?
LARRY ALTMAN, "DAILY BREEZE" (via telephone): Well, it`s a cliff where in order to get right to the edge, you have to climb quite a bit. If you
recall the story we did when the chef cooked his wife in the pot and then jumped off a cliff, it`s the same area as that.
But that was an area where you could walk up to the fence and just jump. This is an area where you have to really make an effort to get up to the
top of that cliff. And it`s not really a place where most people would take a 4-year-old for a hike.
GRACE: Oh, my stars! I`m looking at it right now. I cannot believe that he took her up there anyway. Guys, we are talking about a father, Cameron
Brown, who basically would surf all day and was a baggage handler in his spare time. So he meets this -- she`s a British woman. And they met.
They have a baby. He tries -- look at the memorial. He tries to force her to have an abortion. She refuses.
And isn`t it true, Larry Altman, that after Mommy refuses to abort the baby, that he tries to get her deported back to Great Britain and get her
out of the country, along with the baby?
ALTMAN: Yes. The prosecution would tell you that he didn`t want anything to do with having a child.
GRACE: So I mean, he even calls the immigration service to have her deported with his baby! There is the little girl. So four years go by.
He has to have his wages garnished. He does everything not to pay child support. He insists on a DNA test. It turns out, yes, this is his baby.
He wants nothing do with the girl until suddenly, four years into it, he suddenly wants visitation.
What happens, Larry?
ALTMAN: Well, the prosecution would tell you that he went out there, he took her to the edge of this cliff on a visitation day. And whereas he
says she slipped and fell, they believe and they`ve done tests and things to try to show this, that he picked her up and threw her, like as if she
was a bag at the airport.
And they`ll have experts during this trial that will testify that her injuries were such that she didn`t just roll down the cliff, like as if she
slipped, but that she landed in a way like as if she -- like I say, like she was a bag landing at the bottom.
GRACE: Well, another thing -- to Noam Laden, with WABC, news anchor. Noam, that`s not what happened that morning. The morning now -- Larry
Altman is absolutely correct that that`s what prosecutors claim happened.
But that morning, Noam, she was going to go see her daddy. She cried, she cried, she cried. She went to school. This is not just Mommy saying this
happened. She goes to school.
Can I see the little girl, please? I really want to see Lauren Key.
She cried so much at school, Noam Laden, the teachers got worried about her because she did not want to go to Daddy. So the mommy calls her at school,
and the mommy is so upset because she can`t calm her down, she leaves work early to go pick the school up -- to pick the girl up from school. And the
father has uncharacteristically come early and taken the girl. The mommy misses her. And then she dies.
LADEN: Yes. And you know, he takes her to a park initially, and then he takes her on this hike. And anybody who is looking at that cliff, there`s
no way a 4-year-old girl is able to make it up that hill on her own. And he suggests afterwards, after she falls, that she had run ahead of him and
that`s how she had fallen off the cliff. But anybody who looks and sees how high that cliff is and has a 4-year-old at home knows there`s no way a
4-year-old can make it up that cliff on their own.
GRACE: Absolutely not! And Stacey, what Noam just said, WABC, that`s true. He did say she ran ahead and fell off. But he gave three separate
stories, Stacey, three different stories about what happened!
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, there are three stories. In one of them, he said she was throwing rocks. She was sitting on one side. He
turned to the left, and when he turned back around, she was gone and just magically fell off the cliff.
In another story, he said she was sitting on his left side, and then he turns around, comes back to facing the daughter, and that`s when he sees
just her feet going over the cliff.
The third story, she`s sitting back on his right. He turns to the left, turns back towards the little girl. Now he sees her going head first,
Nancy, her back and then her left arm. Three different stories to one detective...
[20:20:06]GRACE: Unleash...
NEWMAN: ... about how this girl fell.
GRACE: ... the lawyers! Kirby Clements, defense lawyer, Atlanta, Deborah Blum, defense lawyer, New York. First to you, Deborah Blum. You can ask
any crime victim`s family that I have ever spoken with, and they will absolutely -- Kirby, you know this is true. They will absolutely tell you
the last moment they saw their loved one before they were killed. They`ll say, Oh, he was walking out the door and he turned around and waved, or,
Oh, he called me on the phone and said, Hey, Mom I love you. They will absolutely know the last moment they saw their loved one.
This guy`s story, first he saw nothing. One time, he turns to his left. He sees her feet going over. And she says, Oops, all right? OK, that
sounds wrong right there. The next story, she`s on the other side, and he sees her whole torso going over, her hands up in the air as she`s diving
off.
Now, how can he change his story three times, Deborah, and still be telling the truth?
DEBORAH BLUM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, people here are trying to paint this man into a deadbeat father. We don`t know that`s true. I`ve
represented fathers who the moms have said that the dad wanted her...
GRACE: That`s not what I asked you.
BLUM: ... to get an abortion -- I understand, Nancy, but you`re trying to paint a picture this man is a liar, a deadbeat dad. Maybe he was in such a
state of shock that he doesn`t know how she fell off the cliff.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:25:58] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A deadly accident, or did Daddy kill her? Prosecutors say it was no accidental slip. They call little Lauren`s death
murder and claim Daddy threw his daughter to her death to avoid child payments and to get back at her mom.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: After the child is 4 years old, Daddy suddenly wants visitation. In her short life, she only saw him 14 times, culminating in the day she
falls off a cliff, a mile-and-a-half high hike. It`s 10 stories high. Look at this. Would you take your 4-year-old child up there? The father
claims it was just a tragic accident.
Now, this is the back story that we know. We know the father did not want the child. He insisted, he tried to force the mother to get an abortion.
She refused. When she would not abort, he actually tried to have her -- she`s a British citizen -- deported back to Great Britain, along with the
baby, OK? He reported her to INS.
After that, he tried to get her to go to counseling to work on their relationship. When she got there, it was counseling her to get an
abortion. Well, she didn`t do it.
Long story short, that morning, the little girl cried and cried and cried. She did not want to go visit Daddy. She cried so much at school, the
teachers call Mommy. Mommy talks to her on the phone to try to calm her down, decides, Court-ordered visitation or no, I`m going to go get her.
When Mommy got to the school, the father had come early and taken the girl.
It was that night around 7:00 PM when Mommy got so worried the girl wasn`t back, she gets a police escort. She knew in her heart something was wrong.
When she gets to Daddy`s home, she sees homicide detectives there.
Straight out to Larry Altman and Noam Laden. Isn`t it true, Larry Altman with "The Daily Breeze" -- you`ve been on this story from the get-go -- he
changes his story three times. And isn`t it true the state claims they have forensic evidence, her body, that shows she did not fall down a cliff?
ALTMAN: Right. They actually went out there with dummies to the cliff and they did tests, you know, throwing them over the cliff and rolling them
down the cliff to try to show that her injuries could only have occurred if she was actually, you know, flung from the cliff, as opposed to falling.
GRACE: Oh, wait. Leave that picture up, Liz. To Dr. Michelle DuPre, forensic pathologist, I don`t know if you can see the monitor or not, but I
get what the state -- the picture of Inspiration Point, if you could put that up?
If the child jumped, Dr. DuPre, when you look at this, she would hit rock immediately off that edge, all right, if you just jumped off. She`d have
to be thrown off -- that`s a good photo, that`s exactly what I`m talking about -- in order to escape her body being bruised and bloodied. Her body
was pristine, as if she had been hurled off.
Dr. DuPre, can you explain it better?
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, I cannot. This case has so many red flags. And that`s exactly right, when we look at the body and
we look at the injuries, it doesn`t match that totality of circumstances. She didn`t roll down the hill or fall down the hill. She doesn`t have the
injuries to prove it.
GRACE: What injury would you expect, Dr. DuPre, if she had fallen off of this cliff, a 4-year-old girl, to her death?
DUPRE: I would expect multiple bruise, abrasions, contusions, scratches on all different parts of her body from tumbling down that hill. Not what we
see.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Kirby Clements, Atlanta, Deborah Blum, New York. OK, Kirby Clements, explain something to me. He`s not Hasselhoff,
all right, running along the beach in red swimming trunks.
[20:30:00] He meanders down the side and when he gets down to the bottom before he jumps in to save his daughter, he takes off -- it`s a new beach,
by the way. He takes off his clothes, puts them in a pile then jumps in the water. Goes and gets her. Slings her over his shoulder, comes back.
And before he does CPR on his 4-year-old little girl he redresses. He told police he didn`t want to be cold. Explain.
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I can`t explain how people act in the course of a tragic situation. People do all kind of crazy things.
They say crazy things. They do things that don`t make any sense looking back. And this is one example of that. He did something that makes no
sense.
Taking off the clothes before he got in the water makes perfect sense because that could have caused him to drown and he would have been a bigger
threat to her, putting --
GRACE: BS.
CLEMENTS: Putting them back after the fact, that`s why life guards, they`re not dressed, Nancy. They`re wearing swimming trunks.
GRACE: Maybe shoes.
CLEMENTS: That`s what they do.
GRACE: Maybe take off their shoes. But not the rest.
CLEMENTS: They take off the pants. Take off the shirt. Get out there and get her back. Now put in the clothes on.
GRACE: You know what, Kirby?
CLEMENTS: I got to admit that looks bad but, you know, it`s a stress.
GRACE: You really do be all. You really do.
(CROSSTALK)
CLEMENTS: What did I do now? Facts hurt, Nancy. I`m sorry.
GRACE: Because, you know, when you were a prosecutor there is no way you would not have torn that to shreds. And now, I mean, you`re singing second
verse same as the first right behind his defense lawyer. And now he`s claiming he`s set up entrapment. How?
CLEMENTS: He hasn`t been convicted. He hasn`t been convicted. They`ve had two juries not convict this man. That`s proof right there that there
is a problem with this case.
GRACE: No.
CLEMENTS: Let`s not ignore that fact. Two juries, two mistrials.
GRACE: That proves that one juror thought he should get murder one and one juror believed he should get involuntary. If he`s not convicted this time
he walks.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:36:12] GRACE: Minnesota. A 10-year-old goes missing from his home. Tonight his father joins us live.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t know who took Barway away. I`m 100 percent sure that Pierre did not do any harm to his son.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: With me tonight a very special guest, in addition to Chief Stephanie Revering on the Edwin Collins story from the Crystal Police
Department. With me tonight is Pierre Collins, this is little Edwin`s father. The father of missing Barway or little Edwin.
Mr. Collins, thank you so much for being with us. Are you there, sir?
PIERRE COLLINS, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: Yes.
GRACE: Thank you for being with us, sir. Along with you is Pastor Harding Smith with Spiritual Church of God.
Thank you, Pastor, for being with us.
Mr. Collins, when did you last see Edwin?
COLLINS: I saw my son Edwin for the last time in the morning he got ready for school and I left in the house. He was going to get on his bus for
school.
GRACE: Did he live with you?
COLLINS: Yes. He lived with me.
GRACE: OK. And is the mother in Liberia?
COLLINS: Yes.
GRACE: OK. So he was getting ready to go to school that morning. Now this is my concern about that, Mr. Collins. Because we have video of him
on the school bus. And he says, oh look, there is my dad. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
EDWIN COLLINS, MISSING BOY: There`s my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE BUS DRIVER: Where? Up here at this canopy?
E. COLLINS: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it canopy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Canopy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
E. COLLINS: Oh my uncle`s here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where?
E. COLLINS: Over there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: So, Mr. Collins, your son is clearly heard on the school bus saying, "There`s my dad." And then he goes, oh, and there`s my uncle. So
he sees you when he`s getting off the school bus after school. Where were you?
COLLINS: I was leaving home, going to the store to get food for the other kids.
GRACE: OK. And did you see him getting off the bus?
COLLINS: No at all. I did not see him.
GRACE: What about the uncle?
COLLINS: I did not see any uncle at my home that day.
GRACE: Does he have an uncle?
COLLINS: Yes, he has a lot of uncles.
GRACE: Let me ask you this, sir. Did you see the bus coming up?
COLLINS: No at all. I did not see any bus that day.
GRACE: And where is the store that you say you were going to get food?
COLLINS: It is in Brooklyn Center.
GRACE: Brooklyn Center. How far away is that from your home?
COLLINS: It should be like eight to nine minutes.
GRACE: Were you going by foot?
COLLINS: No. I was driving.
GRACE: So when Barway or Edwin saw you, were you in your car?
COLLINS: Yes. From the apartment I got in my car. Was parking right in front of the apartment and I went to the store.
[20:40:00] GRACE: So you`re saying that when Edwin sees you, you are driving away in the car to go to the grocery store?
COLLINS: Yes.
GRACE: What did get at --
COLLINS: I was driving. I didn`t see him.
GRACE: Well, what grocery store did you go to?
COLLINS: Cobb Foods.
GRACE: Cobb Foods? What did you get?
COLLINS: I got some milk and the kids` food.
GRACE: What food would that be?
COLLINS: Baby`s food and some milk.
GRACE: Baby good and milk. Were you at any time near the river after Barway`s bus came?
COLLINS: No at all.
GRACE: Not at all.
COLLINS: I didn`t go near the river.
GRACE: OK. So you say that you got in your car, which is what? What kind of a car is that?
COLLINS: It`s a Volkswagen.
GRACE: A Volkswagen. And the color is?
COLLINS: Gray.
GRACE: A gray Volkswagen. And were you alone? Was anyone with you?
COLLINS: I was alone. I was alone.
GRACE: Who was with the children?
COLLINS: My wife.
GRACE: OK. So you are in your gray Volkswagen, you go to Cub Foods. It`s about eight minutes away in a shopping center to get milk and baby food.
And then where do you go?
COLLINS: And then I took -- when I were going I took the freeway, then I missed my exit. I turned around I came back. It was a little bit of
traffic. So I came back to Brooklyn Center and got some milk and baby food. And then in the same building I went to the bank. It was the Cub
Food.
GRACE: You went to the bank for what?
COLLINS: I went to bank to check my account before getting the milk.
GRACE: OK. You go to the bank. Did you use an ATM or did you speak to a teller?
COLLINS: I went to the teller. And I also used the ATM.
GRACE: OK. Did you go directly home after that?
COLLINS: Yes.
GRACE: And did you see Edwin at any time?
COLLINS: No at all. I did not see my son. I did not see my son that day. I saw him for the last time in the morning when he got ready for school.
That is the last time I saw him.
GRACE: Out to Noam Laden with WABC, what is the latest on the search for Little Edwin?
NOAM LADEN, WABC: You know, they don`t have much on the search but there is a thought, there`s a thought that maybe Edwin was put on a plane back to
Liberia to live with his mother again.
GRACE: Well, you know, to Chief Stephanie Revering, Crystal Police Department, it`s my understanding manifests have been checked very
carefully and there is no indication he was sent back home to Liberia.
CHIEF STEPHANIE REVERING, CRYSTAL POLICE DEPARTMENT: At this point, that is correct.
GRACE: What do you make of the father Pierre Collins` story, Miss Revering -- Chief Revering?
REVERING: The focus of our investigation stems from who Edwin was in contact with when he exited that bus. We know that his father was in that
proximity and we`re working diligently to identify that second person, who we know as the friend of his father`s. We`re making progress on that front
but I can`t go into more details for this criminal investigation --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I understand. Back to the father. The father of missing Edwin.
Mr. Collins, who is the friend of the family that knows Edwin?
COLLINS: Lot of friends know Edwin. But that particular day I was alone home, nobody came to visit me.
GRACE: He said it was his uncle. Which uncle was it?
COLLINS: I don`t know. In the African-American community any -- your -- any of my friends, any of my relatives would be called uncle or auntie.
GRACE: So you are telling me you have no idea who he referred to when he said there is my dad --
COLLINS: I have no idea.
GRACE: -- and there`s my uncle.
COLLINS: Yes, I have no idea. And --
GRACE: And what?
COLLINS: I have no idea. And if you can hear from the video-audio, yes, my uncle. In some friends asking, where is he, over there. I don`t know
if those little kids saw people standing that he showed up, it would be very helpful. I would need that. It will be very, very helpful to
identify that uncle. Please. I need my son home.
GRACE: Mr. Collins, have you taken a polygraph?
COLLINS: Yes.
GRACE: Do you understand that you showed up deceptive on your polygraph?
COLLINS: What was that again?
GRACE: That some of the questions you did not answer truthfully.
COLLINS: Yes, I didn`t know some questions they asked me maybe another way. But it was the second day when my son got missing so I was very
emotional and I wasn`t by -- I wasn`t too myself when I did that polygraph.
[20:45:11] GRACE: Everyone, the tip line is 952-258-5321.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t know who took Barway away. I am 100 percent sure that Pierre did not do any harm to his son.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[20:50:01] GRACE: Straight out to Chief Stephanie Revering joining us on missing Edwin, the Crystal Police Department chief. Also with us tonight,
Edwin`s father.
Now I want you to look at this video we`re about to play of Edwin getting on the school bus. He is on the school bus and he sees his father and he
says his uncle. Take a listen to what he says.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
E. COLLINS: There`s my dad.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE BUS DRIVER: Where? Up here at this canopy?
E. COLLINS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it canopy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A canopy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
E. COLLINS: Oh my uncle`s here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where?
E. COLLINS: Over there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK. With me is Pierre Collins, the father of missing little Barway Edwin.
Mr. Collins, again, your sons says, there`s my dad. But you`re telling me, you didn`t see his bus? Is that correct?
COLLINS: Correct.
GRACE: Why?
COLLINS: I did not see any bus coming in when I was going out.
GRACE: And Edwin comes home at the same time every day. But you did not notice a school bus?
COLLINS: Actually, it`s not a school bus. It`s a van.
GRACE: You didn`t notice it?
COLLINS: No, I didn`t see the van coming in when I was going out. There was no van coming in when I was going out.
GRACE: Is it Edwin`s --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Go ahead.
COLLINS: And from the time he said, there`s my dad, it took a long very time before he got to say my uncle is here. Maybe I was already in the
street when he was coming in. But I did not see -- I did not notice any van. He didn`t see if I did not see him.
GRACE: Right now, CNN Heroes.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve been writing since age 4. I will never forget my father when he let go of my seat and I was there on my own. And that
was 70 years ago. A lot of kids have never really left the city. To them, everything is concrete.
Is everybody excited?
I decided to take kids who have never had my kind of experience on these mountain bike rides.
OK. You guys, let`s hit the road.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wasn`t trying at school. I was getting F`s. I got expelled. We go on bike rides, I kind of feel like it clears my mind.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Looking good. I`ve been doing this for almost 30 years. You bring them where there are no buildings. It is like wow. I
didn`t know that this exists.
And then we have our Earn a Bike program where kids in the community come after school.
What`s wrong with it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The chain.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So the chain is loose?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They learn how to work on bikes and they earn points for a bike of their own.
That looks great.
They learn good job skills. This bike is getting quite an overhaul.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now I have A`s and B`s. They`re like my guide to a better life.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is opportunity to see that, yes, I have been able to accomplish what I thought I couldn`t.
It is not just biking. We are imparting life lessons.
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[20:58:12] GRACE: Were you there, Pastor Smith? Because I see you shaking your head saying right. Were you with him?
PASTOR HARDING SMITH, SPIRITUAL CHURCH OF GOD: No. I have been with the family ever since this has happened. And we have been working as a liaison
between the community, the police and the family, trying to mobilize the community. In fact, we have a huge event coming up this Saturday which
will mark 10 days since Barway has been gone.
GRACE: With me is --
SMITH: This has -- yes, go ahead.
GRACE: Pastor Smith, hold on just a moment.
To Chief Stephanie Revering with the Crystal PD. Chief, what is your focus? Where is your focus now? Where should people be looking? How can
we help?
REVERING: Yes, Nancy. Based on our investigation, we know that Pierre Collins was in the area of the Mississippi River near 694 north, shortly
after Barway`s disappearance. In addition several individuals have identified this area as one of Pierre`s favorite fishing locations.
GRACE: One of Mr. Collins favorite fishing locations?
REVERING: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Everyone, tonight our prayers with little Barway, Edwin and his family as the search for this child goes on right now.
Let`s remember American hero Army Corporal David Unger, 21, Leavenworth, Kansas. Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Love making spoof videos. Parents,
Matthew and Diana, two brothers, two sisters. Widow with high school sweetheart Laura. Son Gage.
David Unger, American hero.
I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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