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[20:00:01] NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Mississippi. After the number one golfer in the world, Tiger Woods, and ex-wife Elin
melt down over mistresses, including an attack with a golf club, he`s back in the headlines when it`s revealed claims Tiger Woods breaks with his
Olympic girlfriend, Lindsey Vonn, over more alleged cheating.
But bombshell tonight. A new PGA bad boy takes center stage when his wife takes his mistress to court, blaming her, the mistress, for their failed
marriage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A fan favorite in the golf world.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Teed (ph) off my life as a player`s wife.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But his ex-wife, Sherrie Miller, is suing Daly`s new fiancee.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think karma is so serious.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Claiming alienation of affection.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn`t just Tiger. But when they`re bad, they`re just so bad.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from Simon & Schuster and YouTube.
And tonight, live, Oregon. After a stormy love life, 23-year-old Rhonda Casto (ph) announces to friends and family that that night, her live-in
lover plans a romantic hike where he`ll either propose marriage or throw her off the cliff.
Well, friends and family laughed, but they`re not laughing now, 23-year-old Rhonda Casto`s lifeless body found at the foot of Eagle Creek Trail, a 100-
foot plummet to her death.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 23-year-old mom falls 100 feet to her death while hiking on a dangerous trail with her boyfriend. Shortly after Rhonda`s
death, her boyfriend tried to cash in her million-dollar life insurance policy. When that was denied, a legal battle followed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, protests under way, claims a U.C. San Diego male art professor encourages female co-eds to get naked by candlelight in order to
graduate?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The art (ph) visual class at UCSD, according to the teacher, involves students acting out a series of gestures, the very last
one they`re asked to perform in the syllabus labeled "erotic self."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone`s going to be naked.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live, Mississippi. After the number one golfer in the world, Tiger Woods, and his wife, Elin, melt down over mistresses,
including an attack with a golf club, he`s back in the headlines when it`s revealed claims Tiger Woods breaks with Olympic girlfriend Lindsey Vonn
over more alleged cheating.
But tonight, a brand-new PGA bad boy takes center stage when his wife takes his mistress to court, suing her for tons of money, blaming her, the
mistress, for their failed marriage. What is it with these pro golfers?
Straight out to Candace Trunzo, senior news editor, Dailymail.com. All right, John Daly is a world-class golfer, not really a world-class husband.
So let me understand this. It`s wife number four, I think, suing the mistress for what?
CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Yes, for alienation of affection. I mean, this is just the best love triangle going. It`s right
out of a Harlequin romance. I can`t even talk today, I`m so excited about this. I mean, John Daly is a wild guy. In fact, he`s known as the "wild
thing."
And he had a fourth wife, and then he started an affair. They were separated, not divorced, and his fourth wife, Sherrie Miller, decided that
she wasn`t having it and she sued Anna Cladakis, his girlfriend and now actually fiancee, for alienation of affection.
GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! So the wife is suing the golf pro -- wait, the mistress of the golf pro -- for tons of money, claiming the mistress broke
up their marriage.
Well, you may wonder, is it true? Can a wife sue a mistress? Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you hold this up so the jury can see how you appeared in office and how you were dressing (ph) him for this trial?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just don`t see what you hope to gain from all this. Lynn was fired, too. You`re not going to get money out of her. Why bother
suing?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This isn`t about money. I don`t care if I get a penny, Joe. I just want someone to agree with me that what Lynn did was
wrong!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[20:05:10]GRACE: That is a movie from Lifetime TV about a real case, one of the first, where the wife sues the mistress and gets a huge money
settlement from a jury. It`s happening again, once again in the pro golf circuit.
Joining me right now, Brian Katrek, host, "PGA Tour." Brian thank you for being with us. What is it with this guy, John Daly? The women love him.
He`s in and out of rehab I`ve forgotten how many times for alcohol. He tells "Playboy" that he`s lost, what, $600 million or $800 million -- I
can`t -- million dollars. Was it $60 million or $80 million gambling on wife number four. And I tried to look at all of his -- he`s just 48, 49
years old, guys. That`s it. He says he has 15 Diet Cokes a day, two packs of Marlboros and for him, that`s healthy.
What about it, Brian?
BRIAN KATREK, HOST, PGA TOUR RADIO (via telephone): Well, for him, that is healthy. He`s made a nice improvement there, Nancy.
(LAUGHTER)
KATREK: You know, it`s all about where you start from. This guy is -- we were just debating just a week ago whether John Daly, who has a Hall of
Fame resume on the golf course, deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because of his transgressions off the golf course. He is one of the great
lightning rod figures in our game.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing video right now of John Daly. It`s not first time the pro golf circuit has erupted over mistresses. Listen.
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911 OPERATOR: Is it a car accident, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a car accident, yes. I need -- yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation has determined that Mr. Woods is at fault in the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There had to be something that caused him to lose control of his vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were reports that there was a domestic dispute before Tiger Woods left his house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elin had found Tiger`s phone, and on it, she had seen text messages.
TIGER WOODS, PRO GOLFER: My wife went through my phone and may be calling you. So if you can, please take your name off that and -- what do you call
it, just have it as a number.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s all blowing up as we speak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re getting word of more alleged affairs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn`t one woman. It wasn`t two. You know, we...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Donald Schweitzer, family law attorney out of LA, Yale Galanter, defense attorney of O.J. Simpson
fame, out of Miami, and Alex Sanchez, defense lawyer out of New York.
So Alex Sanchez, explain to me why the mistress should not be sued. I mean, she`s responsible for breaking up the marriage.
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I mean, correct me if I`m wrong, Nancy, but wouldn`t a lot of women, including yourself, be against this lawsuit
because doesn`t it let the guy off the hook? It seems to me that the only person that is being held accountable would be this mistress, and this
golfer is, like, you know, laughing, like, Hey, I have no responsibility here.
GRACE: No, disagree. Remember, she`s already getting him in the divorce lawsuit, Yale Galanter. So she`s not only going for the mistress, she`s
going for him in the divorce. So why shouldn`t she, Yale?
YALE GALANTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I mean, most states have abolished these alienation of affection laws to begin with. They`re archaic. The
whole idea that you can blame the mistress for a man straying is inconceivable to me. Whatever happened between the husband and the wife
happened between the husband and the wife, and that`s what caused him to stray.
GRACE: No, no!
GALANTER: You know, if something`s not wrong...
GRACE: Put him up, please!
GALANTER: ... you`re not looking outside the relationship.
GRACE: No, no, no, no, no. It`s the husband`s fault and the mistress`s fault. I mean, Donald Schweitzer, are you trying to tell me the mistress
did not know this world famous, world-class golfer was married when she shacked up with him?
DONALD SCHWEITZER, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: No, I`m not telling you that because, apparently, she did. But apparently, this relationship started
when these married people were separated. And that`s going to be a key factor in this case.
Not only that, but she has to be able to show -- I`m talking about the wife here -- has to show that the relationship caused the breakdown of the love
that the husband had, and that`s going to be an impossible burden.
Usually, when people separate, that means that there`s big problems in the relationship. A lot of times, people separate because there`s no love, and
one party wants to get the relationship back together again. This is going to be a problem for the plaintiff in this case, Ms. Miller.
GRACE: Really?
SCHWEITZER: You`ve got to show that...
GRACE: You think so?
SCHWEITZER: ... that this -- yes, absolutely.
GRACE: I`d pack that jury full of women and let it rip!
Back to Brian Katrek, host of PGA Tour radio. Brain, again, thank you for being with us. So tell me, what is it about John Daly that the women love?
[20:10:03]KATREK: Well, it`s not just the women, Nancy. It`s everything. It`s all the golf fans. He`s just very popular. It`s his Everyman
qualities, the fact that he is -- wrote in the book that you read excerpts from and that they take excerpts from for these articles about his
struggles, just in general life, the gambling, the struggles with alcohol. He smokes all the time.
This is not a polished individual by any stretch of the imagination. He`s one of the game`s great stars and really one of great stars in all of
sports. It doesn`t have that system in place of management that polishes him and makes him look good at all times. A matter of fact, kind of the
opposite. He is what he is and people kind of love him for it, and it`s one of the great head-scratchers we`ve had.
But when we talk about galleries at PGA tour events, you look at the blimp shot, you can always tell where Tiger is on the golf course because there`s
a huge group of people and you can see where Phil Mickelson because there`s a huge group of people, and that other huge group of people, sometimes
rivaling the galleries of Tiger and Phil, is a group following John Daly. They just love him.
GRACE: Well, I notice the same woman is always there being his caddy. Who is that? Which wife is that one?
KATREK: That is the fiancee. That`s Anna. And that`s who is the subject of this lawsuit.
GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wait! Did you just say the fiancee? That`s certainly putting perfume on the pig. That`s the mistress, right, that allegedly
broke up the marriage?
KATREK: That is...
GRACE: The fiancee?
KATREK: That is the -- I believe the defendant is how you would call it...
GRACE: OK.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: She`s awfully smart, Brian.
KATREK: ... when they were cooling (ph) off. There was a jail sentence involved, and it wasn`t John Daly that was in jail while they were cooling
off -- .
GRACE: Hey, Brian, I`ll tell you one thing about this mistress turned fiancee, she`s pretty smart. I`d be his caddy, too. If he`s already been
through wife number four and I`m lined up to be number five -- oh, yes, right, all those out of town trips. That`s where Tiger Woods gets in
trouble. I would absolutely be his caddy.
Now, take a look at wife number four. When I saw her, I thought she must be the mistress. Listen to this.
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SHERRIE MILLER, DALY`S EX-WIFE: My name is Sherrie Daly. We`re here today doing the book photo shoot for the cover of my book, "Teed Off: My Life as
a Player`s Wife on the PGA Tour."
Being married to a professional athlete is not what you think. There is a huge price to pay. The motto of my life is karma. I think karma is so
serious. No matter what religion you are or who you decide to marry, what you decide to do, karma is a bitch.
I thought I had my wild side out, and I`ll be a golfer and have, like, a nice family and be a preppy life with kids, and you know, kind of like how
the music plays on golf on Sunday afternoon. That`s what I was looking for. The reality of it is, here I am 10 years later. My 20s kind of got
stolen from me. I`m a little mad about that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Oh, that`s terrible when your 20s get stolen from you. OK, that video is from Simon & Schuster and YouTube. It`s Sherrie Miller talking
about her book, "Teed Off."
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[20:17:19]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Golf star John Daly divorced his fourth wife and has a new fiancee. But ex-wife Sherrie Alison Miller is suing the new
fiancee, claiming alienation of affection, in Mississippi, one of the few remaining states where the law is on the books. Under the law, a partner
can go after someone who had a relationship with their partner while married.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Well, it`s turning into a bitter showdown in court when a world- class golfer`s wife suing mistress for alienation of affection.
With me, Candace Trunzo, Dailymail.com, Brian Katrek, host of PGA Tour radio. Brian, you know, you were talking about how Daly is really
Everyman. I don`t know if I necessarily agree with that, but I agree with what you said about something else.
He just puts it out there. He makes no secret. He started drinking when he was 8 years old. His family gave him beer at 8. He had Jack and Coke
when he was 14. He`s had numerous emergency room visits for whisky overdoses. He`s gambled away $60 million to $80 million, got a problem
with gambling, has two packs of Marlboros a day, 15 Diet Cokes at least. And he`s still swinging.
So let me ask you this. Brian, about how much money does he pull down a year? He`s all over the place. Isn`t he about to go play in the Turkish
Open?
KATREK: Yes, I don`t know what his current schedule is. When I talked to him last, it was a month ago at the Masters, and he -- the road was wearing
him down. So I think he was going to stay home for a while.
But the life of a professional golfer, Nancy, is that if you stay home for a while, you`re not going to make any money. He doesn`t make money from
endorsements the way that the guys in the top 100 or 200 many the world golf rankings do. The only money he`s going to make is what he`s going to
earn out on the golf course.
So his problems have always been out there. They have certainly cost him millions. Perhaps that`s one of the things that make him relatable to the
fans. It is one of the game`s great mysteries. He`s a lovable loser of sorts out there. But the fans have always rallied around him.
GRACE: You know what I like about him?
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... like about Daly? He`s got sheer talent. I mean, his golf talent is, you know, without doubt. But the other thing about him is he
doesn`t pretend to be something he`s not. He`s got problems. He`s got addictions. But none of us are perfect, and I think people can relate to
that.
Let me ask you something, Brian Katrek. Do you think that gold diggers glob onto him?
[20:20:08]KATREK: I don`t know. He`s surrounded by a lot of people, and I don`t know that John necessarily judges the folks that aren`t judging him.
And I`m not trying to tell you, you know, just wonderful things about John Daly.
He`s had enough critics out there to where if you`re going to get close to him and his circle -- and he`s very approachable. And at the Masters, he
was sitting in his RV which was parked in the Hooters parking lot, and he sat there all day and sold T-shirts. He was just sitting there in a lawn
chair. You could come up and say hello and shake his hand and talk to him. That`s way more approachable than most professional athletes are.
So you know, I wouldn`t -- is that something that attracts gold diggers? I really don`t know that. It seems to attract a lot of folks, so I think he
kind of gets a little bit of everything.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s just a life of hell that people don`t understand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: John Daly -- he`s won the PGA championship and British Open.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hate golf!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ex-wife Sherrie Miller is suing Daly`s new fiancee, claiming she had improper conduct and contact with her husband.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m a little mad about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was the cause of their separation and divorce.
[20:25:07]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My ex-husband is known as "the wild thing" of golf.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you lose a custody battle to that guy? Is your reputation worse than his?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ex-wives fighting back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had taken down all of his (INAUDIBLE) jerseys and I was going to lay them all flat in the driveway so he would run over all of
them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video`s from YouTube of Sherrie Merrill talking to Dr. Phil.
Unleash the lawyers, Donald Schweitzer, Yale Galanter, Alex Sanchez. You know, another thing, Donald Schweitzer, I don`t know how you actually prove
alienation of affection because you three -- I`ve got to agree with you on this. They were already separated.
Now, the wife is going to say she hoped to reconcile, OK? That`s going to be her story. But come on. This is wife number four. You just saw the
clips of her. She`s been living the high life. She`s had a couple of -- one conviction of her own. That`s going to come up in court.
So Schweitzer, what`s the bets? Give me the Vegas odds on this. Does the wife settle? Because you know he`s going to pay for the mistress`s lawyers
and the settlement. Daly, the golfer, is going to be out of pocket on this. She`s not making any money. It`s his caddy, for Pete`s sake.
SCHWEITZER: Miller has no case, Nancy. The only settlement money should be just enough to pay for attorney`s fees. Miller`s love doesn`t even
matter in this case. Sure, she might love him. But remember, she doesn`t even like golf, and that`s probably why the husband in this case, Mr. Daly,
doesn`t like her. She`s got to be able to prove again, you know, that this...
GRACE: Well, he must have liked something, Schweitzer, because they`ve got a son together. So there`s a moment somewhere in time where he liked
something about her.
SCHWEITZER: At some point.
GRACE: But you know, to you...
SCHWEITZER: At some point, sure.
GRACE: Yes. To you, Yale Galanter. What about this? As far as not suing the mistress, you know, the car can`t get in the garage if the garage
door`s not open. So what I`m telling you is why not sue the mistress? Can you argue with my garage theory?
GALANTER: Nancy, there is...
GRACE: Oh, you got to think about it for a minute, figure it out?
GALANTER: ... reason that -- there is -- no, I don`t have to -- I don`t have to think about it. There`s a reason 44 states don`t allow these types
of lawsuits.
GRACE: Yes, because legislatures...
GALANTER: You`ve got a woman...
GRACE: ... are full of men!
GALANTER: ... who didn`t get custody of the child and...
GRACE: That`s why!
GALANTER: And Nancy -- Nancy, imagine being married to a professional golfer and every night telling him you don`t like golf?
GRACE: And rolling in money every night? And rolling in all that money?
GALANTER: How`s she going to get over that?
GRACE: I might be able to get used to that.
GALANTER: Listen, she`s got to prove that the sole reason for the break-up was the mistress, and there`s enough in this record that any lawyer could
try this case. She`s not walking away with a dime.
GRACE: OK, Sanchez, Vegas bet, yes, no.
SANCHEZ: Oh, listen, I just -- the biggest beneficiary to this entire event is Daly himself because he`s in the news. He`s enhancing his bad boy
reputation. More sponsors are going to come to him. More women are going to come to him. This guy`s laughing all the way to the bank!
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:32:21] GRACE: Live, Oregon, after a stormy love life, 23-year-old Rhonda Casto announces to friends and family that that night, her live-in
lover plans a romantic hike where he will either propose marriage or throw her off a cliff.
Well, the friends and family laugh at that. But they`re not laughing now. 23-year-old Rhonda Casto`s lifeless body found at the foot of Eagle Creek
Trail. A 100-foot plummet to her death.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Rhonda Casto was hiking in Oregon with her boyfriend Stephen Nichols when she fell 100 feet off a cliff to her death.
At first, investigators believed it was an accidental fall. Shortly after Rhonda`s death, her boyfriend tried to cash in her million-dollar life
insurance policy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Out to Craig Fronek, joining me, "Sunrise with Craig," KCMX.
Craig, thanks for being with us. Now she told friends and family that that night, she was either going to get a proposal or he was going to throw her
off the cliff, and everybody laughed. Well, they found her body at the bottom of Eagle Creek Trail. It was about 100 feet plummet.
What can you tell me, Craig?
CRAIG FRONEK, HOST, "SUNRISE WITH CRAIG": Well, this Eagle Creek Trail, number 440, outside of Multnomah Falls. It`s about 30 miles east of
Portland and Columbia Gorge.
You know, hiking in March with snow on the parking lot? I mean, who does that? Who goes up, these trails are very dangerous. That doesn`t sound
very romantic to me. But you`d also go back off of this insurance claim.
You know, Rhonda died at age 23, but she was 18 or 19 when she became pregnant with Stephen Nichols` baby. She gives birth at 20 years old, and
you know, now all of a sudden, this -- who when they`re 20 years old or 23 years old gets an insurance policy for a million dollars? Who does that
kind of stuff? Who goes hiking in the wintertime in Oregon? Sounds like somebody was stealing a bill of goods here.
GRACE: You know, I was just looking over at that trail. I have done a lot of hiking and that is an extremely narrow trail. And we`ve marked where
Rhonda fell. That is -- yes, that`s deadly. That is deadly.
With me is Craig Fronek, "Sunrise with Craig," KCMX, and Kandra Kent, KTVZ.
[20:35:04] Craig, I was very curious about, when you have a dead person`s last words being he`s either going to propose to me or he`s going to kill
me, that`s pretty damming, but I want to look at the forensics. What can you tell me about the nature of her injuries that led to her death?
FRONEK: Well, I don`t have the forensics on it. The authorities are extremely tightlipped about it. This happened a while ago. And this
Steven Nichols, believe it or not, they arrested him coming off an airplane in San Francisco and they`ve held him since. They obviously must be some
kind of flight risk and it was -- you know, his arrest warrant was issued, you know, prior to him being arrested.
GRACE: Yes.
FRONEK: So there`s a problem there, but bottom line is you`re going to go slip and fall down -- and here`s the next thing, people have died on this
trail before. There was a man that fell in Multnomah Falls in 2008, and there was someone that fell prior to that. I mean, this Rhonda Casto is
one of four people that have fallen and died about 100 feet.
You just don`t go hiking in, you know, March with the amount of rain going in Oregon, but her injuries obviously she succumbed. There`s no way to
make it.
GRACE: Well, I mean, I`ve been hiking in extreme conditions, but I would not choose to go hiking on that trail in March at 39 degrees. That does
not sound romantic to me.
And unleash the lawyers. Yale Galanter, Alex Sanchez -- Yale Galanter, you know, very often, Yale, the three of us have had a lot of homicide cases.
Very often when the medical examiner looks at just the body, they won`t give you homicide as manner of death, but when they look at extrinsic
evidence, they will say homicide.
Now what we have learned is that she died of blunt force trauma. But in this case -- take a look back. I hope you guys can see a monitor. If you
look at the trail itself, it`s not a trail where she`s going to go rolling down terrain. She`s going to go straight off in the air. Now there`s some
terrain down at the bottom that could cause blunt trauma. How are they going to use her injuries to prove a homicide, Yale?
YALE GALANTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, it`s going to be very difficult. Without some kind of forensic connection or some type of a confession,
maybe he was drinking, told a buddy. Said something as somebody. This is going to be a really tough case to prove --
GRACE: Yes. Yes, forensic --
GALANTER: -- because you`ve got a really harsh environment here, Nancy.
GRACE: Yes, forensically it`s going to be hard to prove murder straight off of her injuries.
I want to go back to Kandra Kent, KTVZ. What about the insurance policy? Am I correct that he took out that life insurance policy three months
before she died for a million dollars?
KANDRA KENT, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KTVZ: Yes, that sounds roughly about right. Maybe about six months ago before she died. They each took one out
on each other. His was much less and hers was a little bit over a million dollars, I believe, and you know, shortly after she died, he did try to
cash in on that, but was denied. Her family filed the wrong --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: But hold on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry.
GRACE: Kandra Kent, KTVZ, you just said something this perked my ears up. Did you say the life insurance -- the life insurance company denied his
claim?
KENT: They did. They said that there were some omissions in the filing. They knew that there was the wrongful death lawsuit filed, so they kind of
put some red flags up on that. Did their own investigation and he did not end up getting paid out for that.
GRACE: To Dr. Tim Gallagher, forensic pathologist, weigh in on the injuries. Gallagher joining us from Daytona Beach, Florida? What do you
think, Dr. Gallagher?
DR. TIM GALLAGHER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: We have to look at his -- her fingers. People who tend to slide down the mountains or fall down
accidentally tend to grab on to things. Branches, rocks, stones and things like that. To help slow down their fall. You know, the other thing we
need to look at is where was her initial impact? Was it close to the mountain or was it away from the mountain, as though she was thrown off of
the trail? Rather than sliding down the trail. Those would be my two first concerns.
GRACE: You know, another thing you just mentioned, Dr. Gallagher, of her sliding down the side of this, a 100-foot plummet. Would her injuries be
different if she was for instance, pushed off and she went out say four or five feet before she fell?
GALLAGHER: I would think so, Nancy. I would think that she would definitely have more traumatic head injuries if she was thrown off. People
who slide down the mountains tend to keep their head elevated and most of the injuries are confined to their feet, hands and extremities.
[20:40:03]
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A 23-year-old mom falls 100 feet to her death while hiking on a dangerous trail with her boyfriend. Shortly after Rhonda`s
death, her boyfriend tried to cash in her million-dollar life insurance policy. When it was denied, a legal battle followed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Not only that, they have a baby as well.
You know, back to you, Craig Fronek, "Sunrise with Craig," KCMX.
Craig, what -- think of yourself at age 23 if you dare. I mean, what 23- year-old was thinking about taking out life insurance policies on their boyfriend or girlfriend? Nobody. You know this was his idea. He cooked
that up.
FRONEK: Well, that`s exactly right. At the time of the accident, Nichols was 35. Rhonda, you know, she dies at 23. But, you know, they bought the
policy late -- you know, the year before. And so, you know, you`re thinking no way.
[20:45:06] Listen, I`ve got a 21-year-old daughter. She doesn`t think about buying a life insurance policy on her boyfriend. Are you kidding me?
GRACE: No way. No way.
Justin Freiman, aside from the fact that you know this 23-year-old girl is not planning, not cooking up a life insurance plan for her boyfriend, what
else can you tell me about this trail?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, this is actually a really dangerous trial, let alone when there`s snow and ice still on the ground.
This was a steep area. It was very narrow. There`s cables and pipe handrails to help hikers safely navigate the area.
GRACE: To Dr. Charles Sophy, psychiatrist, author of "Side by Side," you know, he went for a period of time before this murder charge and there were
thoughts that he was planning to move to China.
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: Yes. But, you know, the bottom line is she said to you or she said to us that she might get thrown off a cliff.
There`s a reason she had that idea in her head. She`s heard it or she heard him say that, but she wouldn`t just say that on her own. She knew.
She knew.
GRACE: You know, Dr. Sophy, do you know how many times I`ve prosecuted murders, domestic homicides as they are euphemistically called, where to a
friend, to a relative, sister or mom, the woman -- it`s always a woman -- says, you know, something happens to me, he did it.
SOPHY: Yes.
GRACE: And a lot of times, it`s maybe said in jest, but many a true word is spoken in jest, Dr. Sophy. I mean, to voice that, I`ve never even
thought to say, hey, if I`m dead, look at my husband. I`ve never even said that laughingly. It`s just never occurred to me to say that.
SOPHY: You`re 100 percent accurate. She was crying out for help whether it was said in jest, a joke, whatever. She knew something was going to
happen.
GRACE: Dr. Charles Sophy joining us, author of "Side by Side." And right now, CNN Heroes.
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ROBERT LEE, CNN HERO: The club that I was involved in, in college, brought leftover dining hall food from campus to the homeless shelter, and I just
thought that the concept could be applied outside the borders of NYU.
So welcome and thank you guys for coming. Today we`ll be going to the L`aldea Cafe.
In Manhattan alone, there`s about 100,000 restaurants. Our strategy is to work with as many restaurants as possible and get that food waste to people
who need it.
Looks really good.
Our group has no minimum food requirement. We pick up any amount of food, no matter how small it is.
Thanks a lot. Thanks, guys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: See you tomorrow.
LEE: OK.
Because that small amount can feed someone.
Let`s do this.
Volunteers can sign up on our website. It`s very easy to do. After work.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like going to the shelters and helping someone to have a meal today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It just takes about half an hour to an hour of your time on any given day.
LEE: After we drop it off, we always get the weight of the food.
This is so heavy. This the total, 29.
That`s how we actually measure our impact.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rescuing leftover food makes it so easy for us.
LEE: Every little bit counts. That`s one person`s life that you just changed.
You see the line now, they`re actually going in for dinner. And all that food today would have been thrown out without your help so really
appreciate it.
Since we started, we have rescued over 100,000 pounds of food. It`s just the beginning. The need is so great, and there is just so much demand.
Perfect.
With more restaurants, who knows how much more we could do?
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[20:53:01] GRACE: Tonight, protest under way claims a UC San Diego male art professor encourages female co-eds to get naked by candlelight in order
to graduate?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Arts class at UC-SD according to the professor involves students acting out a series of gesture. The very last one
they`re asked to perform in the syllabus is labeled "erotic self." Students would have to get naked in a dark, candlelit room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they are uncomfortable with this gesture, they should not take the class.
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GRACE: Straight out to Brett Larson, investigative reporter.
What? This is a public school and my tax dollars are going so this male professor, can encourage young female co-eds to get naked?
BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes, Nancy, that is absolutely correct. He`s been doing it for 11 years now without complaint. But the
mother of one of the female students said it made -- it makes her sick to her stomach and is making some noise about it, albeit doing that
anonymously. But the professor does say you don`t have to be physically naked. You can be emotionally naked.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: What? Whoa, whoa, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
LARSON: Yes.
GRACE: Clark Goldband, also on the story. Did you just hear what Brett Larson said?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes.
GRACE: The professor said that you don`t have to be -- Clark, you don`t have to be physically naked, you can be emotionally naked.
GOLDBAND: Emotionally naked, yes.
GRACE: Answer me this, Clark Goldband.
GOLDBAND: Sure.
GRACE: Did the professor get naked?
GOLDBAND: He did. He said, he does get naked in candlelight in a secure room.
GRACE: Why?
GOLDBAND: But, Nancy, let me point this out?
GRACE: Why do I have see his hairy body naked?
GOLDBAND: You don`t have to see it. You don`t have to see it. The course is optional. It is not required to graduate and you can do something --
GRACE: I don`t like your attitude.
GOLDBAND: No, no --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Number one.
GOLDBAND: I just want to be clear about this.
GRACE: You need to check it. Right there. Right there. All right? You take an art class.
GOLDBAND: Right.
GRACE: Art class, my tax dollars go to this art class, and the professor is naked?
[20:55:05] GOLDBAND: Well, there`s a few things. The professor first -- the first day discusses it and it`s on the syllabus that you could get
naked. OK. But you could get emotionally naked as Brett said, Nancy. And that just means doing something --
GRACE: Put him up.
GOLDBAND: It means doing something --
GRACE: What do you mean, Clark Goldband, emotionally naked?
GOLDBAND: Yes. Emotionally naked, doing something that makes you maybe feel a little bit uncomfortable, like trying to debate Nancy Grace on
national television, for example.
GRACE: Wait a minute.
GOLDBAND: Nancy, this --
GRACE: You can get emotionally naked. Why does the professor insists on taking his pants off?
GOLDBAND: Here`s the thing. You don`t need to take it to graduate, and you don`t need to be naked --
GRACE: So you don`t have an answer to that?
GOLDBAND: This anonymous mother --
GRACE: You don`t have any answer for that.
GOLDBAND: -- called in to a local television station and says her daughter complains, Nancy --
GRACE: Clark -- Clark Goldman. Clark Goldman. Did you ever take a class where the professor took his pants off?
GOLDBAND: No.
GRACE: Thank you.
GOLDBAND: I did not.
GRACE: Out to Amanda Fitzmorris, joining me out of San Diego. She opposes the art class UC-SD college Republican.
Also with me, Hannah Johansen, former student who actually took this class.
So, Hannah Johansen, are you for the nudity in the class?
HANNAH JOHANSEN, FORMER STUDENT WHO TOOK ART CLASS: Yes, hello, Nancy. Thanks for speaking with me. The big thing to clarify is that this course
is not drama or theater. It`s performance art, which is kind of defined as using body as canvas. So becoming a nude canvass --
GRACE: Performance --
JOHANSEN: -- is just part of it. Exactly. So it`s actually a different department from drama or theater. It`s in the Visual Arts Department.
GRACE: Performance art. Art. Drawing, paint, and -- your professor without his pants on. TO me, those just three -- just don`t fit together.
Amanda Fitzmorris, I`d like your response to Hannah Johansen.
AMANDA FITZMORRIS, STUDENT OPPOSES ART CLASS: Well, I say it`s a situation like we have tuition up, we have student loans debt up, the university
expanded their professors, thinking more. Our education system is a mess and you have to ask yourself, is this how our money should be spent at
(INAUDIBLE) funded university?
GRACE: To Hannah Johansen and Amanda Fitzmorris joining us.
Hannah Johansen, you took the class. When you took the class, did Professor Dominguez take his pants off?
JOHANSEN: Yes, at one point when a lot of the other students were naked, in a dark, little low-lit room because --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Well, that`s usually where people get naked, Dear. You`ll learn that as you get older. So are you telling me that a lot of people in the
class and the professor had their pants -- they`re all naked. Yes. Fly. Fly. What`s the point, Hannah?
JOHANSEN: Well, I guess I`d have to say I think what your issue is with performance art in itself which is about 100 years of abusing the nude
bodies so --
GRACE: I don`t have an issue with performance art, I have an issue with me working two or three jobs, and my tax dollars paying for Professor
Dominguez who takes his pants off.
I mean, can you have performance art with your professors naked, penis in class?
JOHANSEN: I guess it makes everyone feel less like they`re being scrutinized whenever one else in the room was naked. It actually feels
pretty natural when it happened.
GRACE: Well, how does it, everybody actually had their clothes on?
JOHANSEN: Well, I guess the clothes give a different context in the performance. So honestly, a little bit different.
GRACE: You know what, Hanna Johansen (ph), you`re very well-spoken and articulate.
Amanda Fitzmorris, I`m afraid we`re fighting a losing battle because his professor was going to continue to get naked regardless of what we said and
text that you going to pay for it.
You know what, let`s remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Kenneth Jenkins, just 25, Folk, Arkansas. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, loved working
out and restoring cars. Mother Teresa, sister Stephanie, brother Mack. Widow, Brandy.
Kenneth Jenkins, American hero.
And special good night tonight from South Carolina and Georgia friend, Wella and Weenie, aren`t they gorgeous? Thanks for being with us, ladies.
Congratulations and happy retirement to Dr. William Oliver. A Methodist minister, dedicating his life to others. President of Wesley Glenn
Ministries. Providing a home for adult handicapped. A writer, serving on many boards. Also performed my wedding.
Happy retirement, and God bless you, Dr. Oliver.
Drew up next, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern. Until then, good night.
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