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Pot Horror Stories. Aired 8-9:00p ET
Aired May 26, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live. Pot enthusiasts, AKA potheads, stoners tonight demanding pot must be legal!
Bombshell tonight. To Colorado, police say a couple sit on the front porch, high on pot, while their 3-year-old dies just inside when the home
burns down to the ground in a horrific blaze.
Then, Michigan, a 3-month-old baby with a 102-degree fever dies in the baby`s roach-infested crib, Mommy and Daddy accused of getting stoned in
the next room.
And tonight, caught on video, Mommy turns her baby into a pothead, allegedly forcing her 2-year-old child to get high. And to Canton, a
middle school teacher`s accused of teaching a lot more than reading, writing and arithmetic, teacher busted with her husband, the two accused of
encouraging children to smoke weed there in their own home.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A home goes up in flames, killing a little 3-year- old girl inside alone. Police say Mommy and her boyfriend were drinking and smoking pot just before the blaze began. By the time they noticed, the
fire, it was too late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A cellphone captured video of her teaching her 2-year-old how to smoke pot.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Pot enthusiasts, AKA potheads, stoners tonight demanding pot must be legal. To Colorado, police say a couple sit on their
front porch high on pot while their 3-year-old dies just inside when their home burns down to the ground in a horrific blaze.
And caught on video, Mommy turns her baby into a pothead, allegedly forcing her 2-year-old child to get high. And then Canton, a middle school
teacher is teaching a lot more than reading, writing and arithmetic, busted along with her husband, the two accused of encouraging children to smoke
weed in the teacher`s home!
Straight out to Noam Laden with WABC. Noam, I want to talk to you first about the couple who get high on the front porch as their child dies
inside in a horrific house blaze. What happened?
NOAM LADEN, WABC (via telephone): This is just, you know, such a heartbreaking story. So this couple, Kristen Brig (ph) and Dustin
Blanchard (ph) -- they`re on the front porch of their home. They`re drinking, they`re smoking bud. And that`s when Daddy Dustin decides to go
for a walk in the neighborhood to a friend`s house.
Inside their home, by the way, is their 3-year-old child. Just moments later, Kristen, his significant other, decides she`s going to go
look for Dustin, and they leave the 3-year-old all alone in this home.
When they finally make their way back to the house, it`s on fire. And you can imagine just the ultimate panic that takes hold. The mom tries to
-- Kristen tries to break into the house through an air-conditioner by yanking an air-conditioner out of the home. She wasn`t able to get in that
way.
Finally, the dad, Dustin, and a friend, are able to get into the home, but at this point, this poor 3-year-old, Lilay (ph), is dead, 60 percent
burns on the body of this child. And the father comes out, but -- and he survives, but this poor 3-year-old dies.
GRACE: With me, Noam Laden from WABC. And joining me right now, a superstar in his own right, known as 2 Chainz, also Tauheed Epps, also Tity
Boi, with us from my old stomping grounds, College Park, Georgia, now one of the most famous rap stars in the world.
You know, 2 Chainz, first of all, thank you for being with us. You`re a star. So many people, so many teens, so many young adults look up to
you. Can I ask you, when you hear about cases like this, why do you still support the legalization of marijuana?
Because, you know, I know your persona is different from your rap persona. I know, for instance, you graduated with a 4.0, that you got a
scholarship. That`s 2 Chainz "Happy Birthday," Def Jam Records.
Why do all the guys have on regular clothes and the women have on skintight leopard suits? You know, I don`t know the answer to that.
But why do you advocate legalization of pot when you hear stories like what I`m talking about?
[20:05:04]2 CHAINZ, HIP-HOP ARTIST: Well, from the stories that I just heard you talk about, they were -- they had alcohol included, which we
all know, you know, cause you to black out, forget things and have memory loss. They also dealt with irresponsible people. I don`t think that you
could put an umbrella on the whole community off these few incidents that you just named. So first...
GRACE: Well, what -- what community is that, the potheads?
2 CHAINZ: The smokers, the stoners community. I just feel like you can`t use these particular stories...
GRACE: OK, so Mommy and Daddy...
2 CHAINZ: ... to define everybody that has recreational use.
GRACE: I`m not defining everybody, OK? So don`t throw me in that pot and stew me. What I`m saying is, legalizing pot ends up in stories like
this. And you, with so many people looking up to you, advocate legalization of pot. And I don`t get it.
I mean, I`ve seen video of you smoking a big, fat dooby. I mean, I`ve read your lyrics. I know what you say in your songs. But when you hear
stories like the mom and dad on the front porch, the baby dies in a fire -- then my next story -- everybody, that`s 2 Chainz`s Twitter account. That`s
him smoking pot.
And while I have you, why the 2 Chainz? Just curious.
2 CHAINZ: 2 Chainz was obviously my second time, you know, coming around as far as a rapper. My first name was Tity Boi, but the name came
from an internal thing with my mom, me being an only child, me being a spoiled brat, me being breast-fed, so the whole family called me Tity Boi.
But then when it was time for me to really go out here and make a name for myself, I figured, like, 2 Chainz because significant (ph) could
obviously mean this would be my second chance, and then one chain being who I am and another chain basically being what I strive to be. So it has a
little deeper meaning with it.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... your lyrics, you say, "I don`t fear death or dying, I only fear not trying."
2 CHAINZ: Yes.
GRACE: And some of your lyrics are so incredible. But then other of your lyrics advocates a different kind of lifestyle, a different kind of
lifestyle that I don`t think you would want little children exposed to. I mean, do you have children?
2 CHAINZ: I have two beautiful little girls, and I`m a great father. I just feel like, you know, everybody should basically take care of their
own. You have kids, too, as well, right?
GRACE: I do.
2 CHAINZ: So it`s about governing your own household. It`s about taking care of your own property. It`s about having some kind of structure
in anything, any drug (ph).
GRACE: I hear you. I hear you, 2 Chainz!
2 CHAINZ: I know you hear.
GRACE: I hear you. But what I`m saying to you is this. People listen to you. And while you may be able to get high, and your children
are kept away from that and they are not growing up like that -- is my guess, is my hope -- other people don`t have the advantages that you have.
OK, Liz, show me the video of Jessica Gamble (ph) out of Ohio. This mom -- look at this, 2 Chainz -- this mom making her 2-year-old child smoke
pot. Watch this. I want you to watch it. Look at this baby.
2 CHAINZ: That`s what I was telling you earlier about trying to classify her as something that we would all do once we would smoke a joint.
I feel like she was irresponsible. I feel like she was a bonehead. That was an imbecile move. Anybody that loves their kid definitely knows not to
put them in harm`s way, and that`s what she did.
So I don`t agree with that at all. I mean, she may have mental issues. It might be something deeper than a joint, I believe.
GRACE: Well, you know what? There is something deeper than a joint, and that`s well put because what she`s doing is child abuse. And what I`m
trying to say to you is that if this is legalized, then everybody is going to have unlimited to access to pot. And unlike other people that are
responsible, irresponsible child abusers are going to have...
2 CHAINZ: Oh! I`m not...
GRACE: ... free access!
2 CHAINZ: ... sure if you know, but everybody has the ability to get their hands on pot right now, whether it`s legal or not. I just feel like
if you legalize this particular drug, it could cut out certain things in the criminal justice system as far as...
GRACE: Like what?
2 CHAINZ: ... the overcrowding of prisons, as far as putting this on our criminal record to prevent us from getting loans, prevent us from
getting homes.
GRACE: Well, here`s my answer to that, 2 Chainz...
2 CHAINZ: Just the whole thing around recreational weed is not making any sense to me.
GRACE: If you want to qualify...
2 CHAINZ: We`re living in a...
GRACE: ... for a home...
2 CHAINZ: We`re living in a...
GRACE: ... then why don`t you just not smoke pot?
2 CHAINZ: We live in...
GRACE: Why don`t you just not get arrested?
2 CHAINZ: No, we`re in a deficit right now. We got to try to find ways on getting out. So I figure if we got half of the states legalizing
pot, if the rest of the community legalizes pot, that frees up taxpayers` money. That allows us to do something with the extra funds as far as
fixing everything from...
[20:10:076]GRACE: I don`t know what you`re saying about...
2 CHAINZ: ... a pothole in the street...
GRACE: ... freeing up...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... taxpayers` money. What do you mean, free up taxpayers` money? What is that?
2 CHAINZ: Well, for me, I`m a taxpayer, OK?
GRACE: OK.
2 CHAINZ: And I have one example from me. I`m a taxpayer.
GRACE: Yes?
2 CHAINZ: My bus get pulled over and they say they smell weed, like they do all the time, OK? They find a ground (ph) on my bus that has .01
of residue inside of it. OK, they lock me up, they strip me, they try -- and then they find out I`m a rapper and they want to know how fine is Nicki
Minaj. They want to take pictures, and they want to let me go.
They obviously charge me with .01. I go to court. I go to trial. And then they say, Do you pack your own bags? Is this your grinder (ph)?
I tell them no. Well, who pack your bags? They find out my security does it. They drop my case, and then they pick it up on my security, who
obviously beats the case.
If that`s not a waste of taxpayers` time and money, I don`t know what it is!
GRACE: All right. I`m not disagreeing with you that that was a big, big to-do about finding what, one joint. But what I`m talking to you
about...
2 CHAINZ: Not even one joint.
GRACE: OK. Fine. It wasn`t even a joint. The point is...
2 CHAINZ: Wasn`t even a joint. Complete waste of my money and time.
GRACE: What I`m talking to you about is something different. Now, I know you don`t want to see this because it`s not fitting with your
argument, all right? And what you`re saying is not fitting with my argument, all right?
Liz, show him. Let`s go with Crystal Weber (ph), a mom and her friends giving the 2-year-old daughter pot and letting the kid smoke pot.
OK, everybody is not responsible, 2 Chainz. Everybody shouldn`t have...
2 CHAINZ: OK.
GRACE: ... free access to go get pot like you get orange juice at the grocery store, like you order it up like a pizza! Look at this child!
2 CHAINZ: I don`t even give my -- I don`t even give my daughter a drink, caffeine, at 2 years old.
GRACE: Me, neither.
2 CHAINZ: And I feel like it may be too strong for them. So I mean, that`s just something that you have to govern in your own household.
GRACE: Look! Look! Look! Look!
2 CHAINZ: Everyone knows that this is obviously wrong.
GRACE: Look! La-look! La-look! Look! Look at -- you`re looking at the camera. Look at the monitor. Do you see that child?
2 CHAINZ: Now, this kid may need marijuana when he`s about 16 because he may, you know, have some other things going on. But obviously, you
know, 2 years old...
GRACE: I don`t even know what you`re talking about. Now, let`s just talk about you for a minute.
2 CHAINZ: You know what I`m talking about.
GRACE: You went to college -- you went to college...
2 CHAINZ: You know what I`m talking about.
GRACE: ... on a sports scholarship, did you not?
2 CHAINZ: Yes. And I`m very intelligent. And smoking pot for me...
GRACE: Can I get back to you in high school...
2 CHAINZ: You can.
GRACE: ... when you were 16 and you were on a basketball scholarship, as I recall?
2 CHAINZ: Yes.
GRACE: Were you using pot then?
2 CHAINZ: Uh-uh. I was -- I was selling pot then.
GRACE: You were an athlete.
2 CHAINZ: Yes. I was selling pot then.
GRACE: And would you want your children to do that?
2 CHAINZ: No. But it was a means for me...
GRACE: And why is that?
2 CHAINZ: It was a way of living for me.
GRACE: Why don`t you want your children to do it, man?
2 CHAINZ: Because I did it for them! I sacrificed that so they won`t have to do that.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:17:11]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) do it again (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 3-year-old died when her home goes up in flames. The couple smoked pot. A teacher is accused of providing a place for kids
to get high, her own house! A little 3-month-old child is beaten and left for dead while Dad gets high, according to police.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back. Tonight, pot enthusiasts, AKA stoners and potheads, are demanding that pot be legalized all across the country. I`m
not talking about medicinal pot for people, patients that are suffering, that are in pain, that need or want pot to ease their ailment. That`s not
what we`re talking about! We`re talking about legalizing recreational marijuana. Is it going to work? And I say no.
Joining me tonight, world-renowned rapper 2 Chainz, also known as Tity Boi, also known as Tauheed Epps.
2 CHAINZ: Tauheed Epps, yes. I like that one, too.
GRACE: And -- yes, long story short, he advocates legalization of marijuana, and I say no. You`re seeing 2 Chainz right there with Jason
Derulo`s "Talk Dirty to Me" from Warner Music.
Joining me right now, Brad Lamm, addiction specialist and founder of Breathe Life Healing Center. Also with me, Norm Kent, former president,
National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws.
All right, Brad Lamm, Norm Kent, thank you for joining me, and 2 Chainz.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Happy new year.
GRACE: First of all, to you, Brad Lamm. When you hear someone as renowned, as famous, as successful as 2 Chainz say he did it but he doesn`t
want his daughters to do it, what does that say to you, Lamm?
2 CHAINZ: You know I didn`t say that.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: OK. Whoa-whoa. Wa-wait! Let him clarify.
(CROSSTALK)
2 CHAINZ: I don`t want my daughters to do it at 2 years old.
BRAD LAMM, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: ... totally what he`s saying!
2 CHAINZ: I decided I didn`t want my daughters to do it at 2 years old. Who knows what they might need for therapeutic reasons. Who knows
what happen 10, 20 years from now. But I`m speaking for myself now and governing my own household.
LAMM: OK. OK, so...
2 CHAINZ: you keep showing this tape of this 2-year-old, this same tape, but I`m sure we can find footage of someone giving their child
alcohol, way more footage than...
GRACE: OK, hold on.
2 CHAINZ: ... this little one...
GRACE: Please put him up.
2 CHAINZ: ... tape you got of this kid right here.
GRACE: OK, hold. Hold. So...
2 CHAINZ: Now you want to pipe me down.
GRACE: No! I want you to use your brain for a minute, and let me ask you this. Are you telling me, 2 Chainz, that my only two choices are to
get my child high on pot or get it drunk on booze? How about neither one? How about it not be legal for recreational use...
2 CHAINZ: I didn`t say that.
[20:20:04]GRACE: No, you said -- you said you`re showing video of a kid getting high on pot.
2 CHAINZ: But that`s all (INAUDIBLE) that`s kind of what you`re using, Nancy. I can`t help that`s all really...
GRACE: Because it`s true!
(CROSSTALK)
2 CHAINZ: ... you`re using this one example, and I`m trying to tell you that you...
(CROSSTALK)
2 CHAINZ: ... like you just Googled that footage, Google someone giving their child alcohol, and I bet it`d be hundreds of pages to go
through. So that`s just my point.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And just to support that...
GRACE: And your point also is, OK, it`s bad to give a kid pot. And PS, we`ve shown you multiple videos. Wipe those lenses off, and you can
see many children getting abused. But you`re saying -- OK, I`m showing you a kid using pot, being forced pot. Then there are other people giving
alcohol. How about neither one? Is that not an alternative, 2 Chainz?
2 CHAINZ: You`re not listening...
GRACE: Why can you not give a kid anything?
2 CHAINZ: Nancy, point is -- my point is alcohol is legal. And it`s still wrong. You`re trying to flip and twist what I`m saying.
GRACE: No, I`m not!
2 CHAINZ: You know exactly what I`m saying. You know where I`m coming from.
GRACE: You`re saying you don`t even give your children caffeine. I don`t, either. They have never been given a Coke, a Pepsi.
2 CHAINZ: Ever. Ever.
GRACE: ... a Sprite, anything...
2 CHAINZ: Mine, neither...
GRACE: ... ever!
2 CHAINZ: ... ever.
GRACE: So why does a man like you, who won`t even let his daughters have a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi, and you`re advocating the legalization of
marijuana! It doesn`t fit together! So if you`re saying that it`s OK to legalize marijuana, then why not legalize heroin?
2 CHAINZ: I mean, I just feel like the drug and the recreational use -- and we are talking about marijuana, something that is natural and does
have medicinal purposes, even though we`re talking about the recreational purposes. I don`t see anything good coming out of extensive use of heroin,
Molly, cocaine and other drugs, even tobacco with cigarettes -- I`m against all of them, to be honest. But with marijuana...
GRACE: Wa-wa-wait! Did I just hear you -- whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Stop! Stop! Freeze! Did you say you`re against all of it? Because I`m
pretty sure that`s what you just said.
2 CHAINZ: Yes.
GRACE: Then why are you supporting the legalization of pot?
2 CHAINZ: I was about to tell you until you rudely disrupted me.
GRACE: Go ahead. I`m sorry.
2 CHAINZ: You`re forgiven. I said that legalizing pot for me and my personal use, me speaking for me personally, like you keep using this one
event with the 2-year-old -- for me, it helps with anxiety. It helps with being someone that has shows in front of 50,000, 60,000 people, who have to
do meet-and-greets and be friendly and cordial to thousands of fans.
It helps with relaxation. It helps with appetite. It helps with nausea when you`re on a flight from here to Africa, 16 hours straight. It
helps with rest. It helps with sleep.
So for certain people, it has this positive effects for that. And so that`s where I`m coming from. I can`t say that heroin makes you -- you
know, I`m not sure what it does. But I can`t say and speak for a drug that that -- as we all know, is very detrimental to someone. We`ve never had
one case ever in the world documented of someone OD`ing or overdosing on the use of marijuana.
GRACE: OK, I agree with you that I`ve never heard of anyone OD`ing on marijuana, but I have heard and have covered cases where people use
marijuana and then they commit a violent act. Hold on, before you get crazy on me.
Unleash Norm Kent. And to Brad Lamm -- Brad, you were jumping in earlier and you were saying what?
LAMM: Well, so 2 Chainz is a successful pot smoker. That`s awesome. So he can do it safely, like many people can drink, and not have a problem.
But he`s missing the 1 in 5 people who will start smoking pot as an adolescent and get really sick for whom pot is a gateway drug and it`s very
disruptive to the kind of life they and their families want them to have.
2 CHAINZ: And I`m looking at you now, and you do something. Yes, you do something yourself. You`re sneaking and geeking yourself. I`m looking
at you, and you`re trying to act like you didn`t have a little shot before you came on here or do some -- see, what it is...
GRACE: OK, Brad...
(CROSSTALK)
2 CHAINZ: There`s a lot of functional addicts out here...
LAMM: ... I was trying to be respectful...
(CROSSTALK)
2 CHAINZ: ... so you can smell that marijuana, so you know it`s on our clothes. We can`t smell when you`re around here sneaking and geeking.
GRACE: Actually, what he is...
LAMM: No, the truth is I`ve been clean and sober for 12 years.
GRACE: ... is he`s a recovered addict. That`s what he is.
LAMM: You`re making a joke about it. And I was saying that many people will use pot recreational and have just a darned nice time doing it.
For them, it`ll be just like how they introduce alcohol into their lives. It`s a social thing. It`s a positive thing for their lives.
But you seem to dismiss the people that sit out front while their kid gets burned in the house. You seem to dismiss the people that do really
stupid things when they`re on pot, the people that like -- opposite of you, they get more anxious. They get paranoid, and they get mentally ill
because of their relationship with marijuana.
GRACE: OK, hold. Hold, Brad. OK, Norm Kent. Your turn.
2 CHAINZ: Go, Norm.
NORM KENT, NORML: Nancy, it`s just great to listen to 2 Chainz ring your bell and have him get an opportunity to speak because he`s
articulating what millions and millions of Americans feel, which is that pot is perfectly normal.
[20:25:11]You know, in Denver, in the past year, while pot has been legal in Colorado, murders are down 42 percent, and cops aren`t arresting
and harassing young African-Americans with no probable cause.
What 2 Chainz is doing is articulating the voice of millions. And 2 Chainz, on behalf of NORML, thank you very much.
2 CHAINZ: Thanks, Norm.
LAMM: In the states around Colorado, they`re having an increase of driving while impaired. In fact, in the state of Colorado now, 12 percent
of people that are pulled over for driving while impaired are high on pot. That creates a very dangerous situation. So for all of you folks...
2 CHAINZ: What did the local government...
LAMM: ... that are so pro-pot...
2 CHAINZ: What did the local government say when they made $800 million? Did they say anything about the driving or anything? What`s going
on with that?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Tonight, pot enthusiasts all over the country, AKA stoners and potheads, are demanding the legalization of recreational marijuana. I`m
not talking about medicinal marijuana. But I mean, that`s a whole `nother can of worms.
To you, Brad Lamm. I mean, didn`t they catch Heidi Montag (ph) and Spencer Pratt (ph), the reality stars, claiming they were ill and needed
medicinal marijuana -- they`re photographed going in and getting medicinal marijuana?
LAMM: I know lots of people that are dying from addiction that have medicinal marijuana cards. All you have to do is sort of have a pulse and
walk in. And get a medicinal marijuana card.
GRACE: I`m not going to go off on a tangent, because I`m not talking about medicinal marijuana, that`s for doctors, MDs to figure out. I`m
going to go back to 2Chainz, renowned rapper, renowned musician. Graduating 4.0 after getting a scholarship in basketball. And this is some
of his work. It may not be everybody`s cup of tea, but the man is a star.
2CHAINZ: Pays the bills.
GRACE: And while he wants legalization of marijuana, but he would not expose his children. That`s 2Chainz on (inaudible) song "Burning Up" from
Republic Records. Okay, you keep saying I`m showing one video. But I want you to look at this. This is a guy named Melvin Blevins (ph), let`s see
the video, Liz, please. Where he goes and pawns his Camcorder and let me show you. Look. No, no, look. This is what they find on his Camcorder.
Check it out. That`s him forcing his 2-year-old to smoke pot.
2CHAINZ: Well, I got something for you. I got something for you. I got something for you, Nancy. Let me tell you, now. I`m from the urban
community. I`m from the inner city, and pawnshops are associated with a drug known as crack. Most of the time when people pawn things, it`s not to
buy a sack of marijuana. It`s to feed a high that`s much more strenuous than a strain of weed, so I feel like that person was probably had a
problem deeper than weed. Maybe they was high on crack when they was doing that footage right there.
GRACE: Well, I know this, they were high on weed. I know that.
2CHAINZ: Crack, too.
GRACE: When they searched the man`s home, they didn`t find crack, they did not find heroin.
2CHAINZ: Because he couldn`t afford it. He`d been pawning it.
GRACE: Okay, do you have a shred, a hair of evidence that says that man, who has pled guilty on these charges, had a crack problem? No.
You`re just pulling that out of the air, because you know somebody that pawned something to get crack. You can get five -- yes. Yes, he did.
2CHAINZ: Did you say he had a weed problem?
GRACE: Yes, yes, he did.
2CHAINZ: Did you see him smoking weed. You know, you`re good. Did you see him smoking weed? Pull the footage back up.
GRACE: Go right ahead, my man. Let`s roll the video.
2CHAINZ: Who`s actually shooting this? Let`s go to court. Who was actually holding the camera?
GRACE: That, I don`t know, but I see him forcing his baby to smoke pot.
2CHAINZ: Are you sure it`s him forcing the baby? Maybe it`s a babysitter. A uncle, a brother.
GRACE: I see his hand. And what you`re doing now, you`re running all around me to try to --
2CHAINZ: I`m creating reasonable doubt.
GRACE: Too late. He`s pled guilty. Reasonable doubt is over in this case.
2CHAINZ: (inaudible) take to trial.
GRACE: There he is smoking pot. There he is. And there he is giving the kid pot. So, my point to you is you say that there are reasonable
people that can smoke pot, use pot, and they won`t involve their children. Nobody else is going to get hurt. But what about these people? That`s
what makes me keep arguing about this. People like this. This guy, Melvin Blevins.
2CHAINZ: It`s the same thing we talked about earlier, darling. With the legalization of alcohol. You will find some footage like this, but
everybody` not doing this. Some people actually love their child. Some people know this is obviously wrong. There`s nothing to really argue
about. These people are imbeciles. You can`t use this case to define a whole community.
GRACE: I got a problem . As successful as you are, as rich as you are, as famous as you are with this. Smoking California weed with
California whores. Excuse me. True, I left that one out. True. My weed so loud, everybody listen. I`m so high like an addict. Good weed, bad
bitch.
You know what? I bet if somebody talked about your girls like this, you`d jerk a knot in their neck.
2CHAINZ: Yes, but we are talking about recreational use of marijuana, what are we talking about, Nancy?
GRACE: Your lyrics.
2CHAINZ: My lyrics pay the bills. Love, it`s real life. You want me to talk about drinking and driving? What you want me to talk about?
Coffee?
[20:35:00]
GRACE: Legalization of marijuana. Legalization of marijuana. I`ll get you on coffee later.
2CHAINZ: We`ll have a cup later. French vanilla.
GRACE: Yes. Decaf for you, my man. Let`s take a look at some of 2Chainz`s lyrics. See him performing now.
(MUSIC)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: So much money on me, it won`t even fold. Some of the lyrics from one of our guests tonight. Joining me is 2Chainz, renowned rapper.
Also with me, Norm Kent, Brad Lamm. Noam Laden, Diana Aizman and Patrick McDonough and Greg Cason.
To all of you, thank you for being with us.
[20:40:00]
The point is marijuana aficionados across the world demanding in the U.S., pot be legalized. I want to show you video of teachers that actually
give children pot in their home. Busted. A schoolteacher and her husband in their home encouraging children to smoke pot. All right, those are the
allegations. Let me go to you, Justin Freiman, what happened in that?
FREIMAN: Nancy, according to police, they actually got tips from parents this teacher was allegedly allowing teens to come to her home to
party, and by party, I mean with some marijuana.
GRACE: Okay, unleash the lawyers. Diana Aizman and Patrick McDonough. Okay, Diana, give me one reason that`s right.
AIZMAN: Honestly, from what I understand, some of the people, some of the kids were family members, and maybe they were just trying to provide a
safe place for these children to basically experiment with drugs.
GRACE: Really? And so some were family members, what about the others?
MCDONOUGH: Let`s be clear. They have a tip here that there might have been some partying. All they had found so far, the only evidence
that`s been released is that there were two people that were family members, and then there was some marijuana found. We`re making a big jump
that these people are providing marijuana or doing anything illegal other than possessing it themselves. This is a leap.
GRACE: So, smoking pot with your children and possibly students there, you don`t see a problem with that?
MCDONOUGH: There`s no evidence. Police showed up and there are two people there that were relatives that weren`t smoking pot. They found pot
and then put this story together for you, but there`s no evidence of that.
GRACE: OK, so, you`re saying the police put the story together for me?
MCDONOUGH: They often do, Nancy.
AIZMAN: The parents made reports that they think their kids may have been smoking marijuana with these teachers when there`s no actual evidence
to back that up.
MCDONOUGH: It`s a tip, we`re basing this on a tip.
GRACE: You two think that the kids, the children, would tell their parents that and make it all up? Is that your premise? That the children
are lying?
MCDONOUGH: My premise is there was a different parent, a kid that said, hey, this is what they`re doing there. Police show up, there are two
17-year-olds that are relatives that there`s no evidence they were smoking marijuana. They did find marijuana in the house, so they put this kind of
link together and said they were providing this, but there`s no evidence.
GRACE: Also accused tonight, a mother and friends giving 2-year-old daughter pot. I`m talking about Crystal Webber. Out of Wisconsin. With
me is Norm Kent and Brad Lamm, also with me, 2Chainz, renowned rapper. You keep saying you`re seeing the same kid. Look at that. I`m showing you I
don`t know how many children the parents are giving pot, 2Chainz. At some point, I mean, my stars, man, you graduated with a 4.0. You`re a
millionaire. You`re successful. You`re at the top. At some point --
2CHAINZ: You ain`t telling no lie here.
GRACE: This is wrong.
2CHAINZ: No, I admit it`s wrong, but it`s wrong if it was legal, if it is illegal. Giving your kid drugs is just wrong. We know that. You
don`t have to be a genius, you don`t have to graduate from school, you don`t have to be a successful artist or entertainer to know that giving any
child, not just your child, drugs is wrong. Nancy, you know that. I am not going to argue with that.
GRACE: That`s why I`m saying, why would you even argue it`s legal?
2CHAINZ: I argue it should be legal because we need some kind of revenue boost.
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Your kids, your kids are going to be so confused growing up hearing you say that the kind of lyrics, the kind of raps you do and the
way you make this lifestyle look really, really amazing, your kids are going to be so confused.
2CHAINZ: I doubt they`d be confused. I expose my kids to a lot of things. They don`t have to listen to my music, but my kids are in a great
place right now, and I don`t feel like --
LAMM: Do as I say, not as I do?
(CROSSTALK)
2CHAINZ: I feel like the relationship that I have with my kids is better than a relationship than I could say, I don`t know what you have
going on in your life, but you need to stop trying to critique mine. But what`s going on in my life is that I have a perfect relationship with my
daughters. I will always be there for them, not just for drug use, but other things they need to go moving forward in this society.
GRACE: OK. Norm Kent.
KENT: I think it`s outrageous for Brad to presume how 2Chainz is going to raise his children.
GRACE: Try to make your own point.
KENT: I can make my own point. 2Chainz`s children are going to grow up in a world where people use marijuana responsibly, where they don`t go
to jail unjustly, where cannabis consumers are going to be lawfully protected. Where government revenues are going to be remarkably enhanced,
and we`re all going to be a lot better off because free speech, marijuana smokers are coming out of the closet, like gay people, and it`s about time
they have.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With edibles, it takes longer to feel the effects of THC, marijuana`s mind-altering ingredient. A 19-year-old fell
to his death from a balcony after eating a cannabis cookie.
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GRACE: And now, a story regarding a Wyoming college student, just 19 years old, who plunges to his death, high on a marijuana cookie that his
friend got him. He was there visiting in Denver and plunges off a Holiday Inn roof balcony, and that cookie was legal.
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Open me up to Norm Kent, Brad Lamm, and Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of "Dr. Drew on Call." Brad Lamm, explain to me what is happening.
LAMM: It`s like when Prohibition was ushering in and moving alcohol out of our dialogue, all we heard was the negatives about alcohol. And
that`s what we`re seeing now with pot. It`s this constant battle between the great things that the proponents of legalization want you to know about
pot, and there are people like me who see some of my sickest patients are primary pot addicts. And even Dr. Drew has talked in the past about how it
can be terribly addictive. And that one in five teens who start smoking as a teen are going to get very, very sick from it, Nancy. That`s the big
point here.
GRACE: Did you say that, Dr. Drew?
LAMM: Norm wants to just push --
PINSKY: 100 percent. 100 percent. Every word in the tape you played before the commercial break, I don`t disagree with anything I said there.
The addictive properties of a drug have nothing to do with it being a good or bad drug or whether it should or shouldn`t be legalized. That`s a
separate matter for the people.
Listen, Oxycontin is a terrible drug if you`re an opioid addict. If you have cancer, it`s a life-saver.
GRACE: Again, Dr. Drew, I`m not arguing with you or Norm Kent about legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes. That`s not what we`re
talking about. We are talking about --
PINSKY: Correct.
GRACE: -- the recreational use of marijuana being legalized. Dr. Drew, you have helped so many people.
PINSKY: Yes.
GRACE: And so many people look to you. You say it`s extremely addictive.
PINSKY: Yes.
GRACE: But that it`s okay to legalize it. I don`t understand that.
PINSKY: I do not think there is any logic into calling a drug good or bad. If you want to call a drug good or bad, then my God, we have to
illegalize alcohol and tobacco too. That would determine if something is legal or illegal.
LAMM: You would draw the line with meth. Wouldn`t you?
PINSKY: In Portugal right now, they`re having good results with legalization of everything. It`s not for me to decide the laws. We deal
with the health consequences. There are going to be some dire health consequences from legalization, there will be, and we will deal with it.
But that`s not up to me to decide the law. I`m not a legislator.
GRACE: But you`re advocating legalization.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The thing that is so important is --
PINSKY: I`m not advocating anything. I`m advocating that the people should have what they want.
GRACE: Well, don`t you think --
PINSKY: If Norm is representing the people and they want that. Listen, I`ve got the recent data from Colorado. It`s not good. There are
going to be a lot of stuff going on with health consequences. But we`ll deal with that. We will deal with that. In the meantime, it doesn`t make
it a good or a bad drug. It`s the relationship with the drug is the problem.
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GRACE: Although so many people are arguing with me tonight that pot should be legalized for recreational use, I want to report to you about a
deadly crash in Florida. To Dan O`Donnell, WISN. A teen high on pot crashes into Camil Paquet (ph) on a motorcycle. He is killed instantly.
This teen immediately tells police hey, I`m high on pot. What happened?
O`DONNELL: Yes, he did. As soon as police arrived, he said I think I should let you know I was taking marijuana before this crash. He made a u-
turn and crashed into Camil`s motorcycle, which was going the other way. Camil was killed instantly. This teenager and his friend had taken some
pot and were on the way to the beach when making this u-turn and crashing into this retiree.
GRACE: Not only that, right now, Justin Freiman, we`re investigating the story where a 2-year-old girl get her hands on a chocolate chip cookie.
Of course, we know the rest. The chocolate chip cookie is laced with pot. The 2-year-old is raced to the emergency room. What happened, Justin?
FREIMAN: That`s right, Nancy. Her parents noticed she had a chocolate chip cookie in her hand. It was brown, but they took it away
from her, she just found it on the floor outside of her apartment. All of the sudden they noticed she was sleepy. She was opening and closing her
eyes. She couldn`t walk very well. They took her to the hospital, and she tested positive for Thc.
GRACE: So the girl ends up in the ER, positive for pot. I`m confused about how the public can be protected. With me the host of Dr. Drew on
Call, Dr. Drew Pinsky. With us, Norm Kent, National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws. Brad Lamm, addiction specialist and founder of
Breathe Life Healing Centers. Also with me, Dr. Michael Arnall, forensic pathologist and medical examiner, joining me from Denver. He sees it all.
We`re on the outside looking in on what is happening in Colorado. To Dr. Arnall. I`m trying to figure out a solution. Not just complaining. But a
solution. Dr. Arnall, for people to be able to get sick, go to the ER, I`ve got another story where an adult female was eating gummy bears laced
with pot, which is also legal. She ends up going to the hospital. I mean, how can you be protected from what you believe is an innocent chocolate
chip cookie or a gummy bear and you end up in the hospital, in the ER?
ARNALL: Practically speaking, there is no protection from that.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember American hero Army Staff Sergeant David Staats, just 30, Pueblo, Colorado. Third tour, loved
football. Dreamed of being a firefighter or a paramedic. Parents Roger and Wanda, sister Bethany, widow, Megan. Son, Tyler. Daughter, Katie.
David Staats, American hero.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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