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Aired June 25, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight. We go live to Phoenix, where a violent attack on a 60-year-old woman is caught on video.
And we want to warn you this video might be disturbing to some of you. Tonight, want police are searching for this man, who sneaks up on the
female victim on a dark, isolated street. He brutally beats her and drags her across the parking lot. We have the disturbing surveillance video.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say it shows a young man waiting in the dark, then pouncing on his victim, a 60-year-old woman. He knocks her out,
drags her, then beats her and attempts to sexually assault her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For a young man to attack a woman like that, that`s insane.
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LALAMA: And live to Westfield. Mommy, Daddy, three children find their million-dollar dream home. It`s gorgeous. But that dream quickly
turns into a horrid nightmare when they claim they start getting cryptic, chilling letters from a mystery stalker who goes by the name "the watcher."
The watcher claims he`s been watching the home for decades and wants fresh young blood.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I am pleased to know your names now and the name of the young blood you have brought me."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Since moving in, the owners say they`ve received numerous letters from the mysterious person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Who am I? I am the watcher, and have been in control of (INAUDIBLE) boulevard for the better part of two decades now."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LALAMA: And tonight, the desperate search for a Tennessee school girl who disappears from her own home, Haley Wilson (ph) spotted on surveillance
at a North Carolina Walmart more than 100 miles from her home. Was Haley the target of a 41-year-old sex offender who preys on the little girl on
line?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A heartbreaking sight for the Wilson family, who haven`t seen their daughter in days.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want my baby home!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The little girl, 14-year-old Haley Wilson, showing up in these surveillance pictures from a store in Marion (ph),
North Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody knows this man. So he`s -- he`s just a total stranger.
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LALAMA: Good evening. I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. Thanks for being with us.
Tonight, we begin in Phoenix, where a disturbing, vicious attack on a 60-year-old woman caught on video. Tonight, police are searching for this
suspect.
Let`s go out straight to Phoenix investigative reporter Tammy Rose. Tammy, brazen! Brazen! What happened?
TAMMY ROSE, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Pat, this video is just so hard to watch. The brutal attack happened on June 13th at 2:30
in the morning in a west Phoenix parking lot. Police say the man waited in the dark, approached the 60-year-old woman behind, who was headed to a
convenience store just a couple blocks from her home, kicks her to the ground.
Then the man drags her across the concrete to a darkened corner, where he begins to punch her over and over again until two witnesses scare him
off. Even though the woman received severe head injuries, which led to some memory issues, she was able to make it to a convenience store to call
police for help -- Pat.
LALAMA: Absolutely stunning. Justin Freiman, NANCY GRACE producer, walk us through this. I mean, look at this! Dragging her across the
parking lot, not -- no guilt, no conscience, no nothing! Explain. What`s going on here?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): As she`s walking to this convenience store, which apparently is just a few blocks
from her home, this guy, according to police, comes out of nowhere. He -- as you see, he tackles her down. He drags her to a dark area of this
garage. And then he attempts to sexually assault her. And that`s when two bystanders come by and chase him off.
LALAMA: We are privileged to have Sergeant Vince Lewis of the Phoenix Police Department. You know, I`m looking at a quote from you, Sergeant,
saying, quote, "It`s gut-wrenching to watch." You cops see it all. This one is particularly tough, is it not?
SGT. VINCE LEWIS, PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Absolutely. And thanks for having me on. The difficulty with this in my
years of law enforcement, anybody in a position to help people, when you watch this video, you feel helpless.
LALAMA: Absolutely. And I know -- and I`ve got it right here in my hands. I`m looking at a media advisory, aggravated assault, request for
public assistance. This is what you need right now, Sarge, right? You need the public to tell you who this dirtbag is.
LEWIS: Absolutely. Anybody with information about this person or even the two gentlemen, who didn`t stick around to talk with police, who
saw and interrupted this act -- we need help from anybody.
LALAMA: Are you getting any clues so far? Anything coming in that`s helping?
LEWIS: Yes, absolutely. The community really has banded together. You talk to anybody that lives in the neighborhood, even the people that
work the convenience store, they know this woman. And our hearts go out to her. So we are definitely welcoming any tips at this point.
[20:05:05]LALAMA: All right, you saw that tip line. We`ll, of course, show that throughout this segment.
Back to Tammy Rose, investigative reporter. Give us an idea of where we are here. What`s the location? What`s going on? It seems like it`s
along a major highway.
ROSE: Yes, it`s just west of Interstate 17, near Camelback (ph) Road -- actually, near 26th Avenue. It`s not one of the worst areas of Phoenix.
And you know, if you`re there during the nighttime, it`s a little bit lit up. It`s not that dark.
And actually, he man dragged the woman closer to where the surveillance camera was posted on this business area, so we`re able to get
a really good look at him. The man is described as Hispanic or native American, between the ages of 18 and 20. 5 feet, 8 to 10 inches tall. He
has a thin build, clean-shaven and has a tattoo on the left side of his neck.
LALAMA: Sergeant, back to you, Vince Lewis, Phoenix Police Department. Is she in any condition to be able to talk to you at all?
LEWIS: We`re working with her. Obviously, the injuries were traumatic, and she did have to be in and out of the hospital. But because
of the injury to her head and here body, we are definitely giving her time to recover. And she is cooperating.
LALAMA: Dr. Panchali Dhar, perhaps you can let us know -- you, of course, a physician -- what could be the fallout from something like this,
memory loss, head injury for -- you know, for the rest of her life? What`s the worst scenario? Let`s hope it doesn`t happen, but what could be the
worst?
DR. PANCHALI DHAR, PHYSICIAN: OK, well, she probably had something called traumatic brain injury from him punching her in the head repeatedly.
And traumatic brain injury can lead to loss of consciousness and amnesia. That amnesia can last for weeks.
She may recover fully and regain her normal function. We may think she`s fully functional, but there could be subtle issues in her brain
function that could last for years. And I`m sure the way he was dragging her with her arm, she has a shoulder dislocation because he was pulling her
through the parking lot, pulling her shoulder.
This is brutal! She may have other fractures, as well. She`s lucky to be alive.
LALAMA: Let`s talk again about what we know about this suspect. And then I want to (INAUDIBLE) good Samaritans who were actually involved with
this.
Back to Justin Freiman, NANCY GRACE producer. What do we know about him? And describe again the brutality of -- this isn`t just, you know, a
sort of random thing. This guy was lying in wait, it appears.
FREIMAN: That`s right. And they say he`s about 5-9 with a thin build. As you can see on the video there, he does have a tattoo on the
left side of his neck. And he`s believed to be quite dangerous because as you see, he just jumps out and starts beating this poor woman!
LALAMA: Unbelievable. Dr. -- or excuse me -- Sergeant Vince Lewis, back to you again. The public so important, but the interesting thing,
Sergeant, is that you had two good Samaritans. Describe what they did and where did they go?
LEWIS: Yes, absolutely. They were in the area close enough to hear the disturbance of what was going on with this poor victim. And they
approached in the darkness, and once the suspect got -- became aware that they were on their way to him, he stopped what he was doing. He stood up
and he took off.
One of the good Samaritans, it appears, tried try to chase him down. But unfortunately, they didn`t stick around to talk to responding officers,
so they have information that`s going to be critical to this case, as well.
LALAMA: Sergeant, how were you able to identify the two good Samaritans, besides...
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LEWIS: That -- that particular community, the people who are out on foot at that hour, the people who are on bicycles, the people who get
around in that neighborhood, they know who each other -- like I -- who each other are. And like I said, the people that work in the convenience store,
they knew the victim even before this incident.
LALAMA: So the two gentlemen that we described who are the good Samaritans -- do you know where to go look for them? Do you know -- you
know, what are you doing with those guys?
LEWIS: Right. We have nicknames and we have leads, and we`re definitely looking, as well as asking for them, if they have access to
media, if they know that we`d like to speak with them, to just come forward and give us what they know.
LALAMA: But Any clue why they might not have stuck around?
LEWIS: Not at this point. Obviously, this is a lot of attention. Whether it be perceived as positive or negative, we definitely want their
statement in the interests of helping the victim. And that`s going to be our key focus in this investigation, is bringing...
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LALAMA: Absolutely. Come on, public. We need help. We got to get this solved.
Tammy, is it true that this poor woman was able to get herself up, shake herself off and go call for help on her own?
ROSE: Yes, it`s amazing. After that brutal attack, she was able to gather her stuff and get up, and then continue on to that convenience store
that she originally was going to go to and call for police. So it`s just amazing she was able to do that.
[20:10:07]LALAMA: And again, just so we get a sense of it because when you look at the video, it is rather dark -- this is a major highway.
Granted, it`s in the wee hours of the morning, but it just goes to show you you`re not really safe even on a brazen (ph) highway, Tammy.
ROSE: No. I mean, like I said, it`s not one of the best neighborhoods in Phoenix. You know, it`s on the west side of Interstate
17, near Camelback and 26th Avenue. And you know, there`s a lot of transients that hang out in that area. So I don`t know if those two people
that witnessed this are transients and maybe they`re a little bit harder to get ahold of.
But we know the motive. Nothing was stolen. And police believe the man was going to try to sexually assault her. But at least, thankfully,
those two witnesses were able to scare him off before she received any more injuries.
LALAMA: Unbelievable. And Justin Freiman, back to you, NANCY GRACE producer. So am I right he was lying in wait, to use the criminal justice
terminology, like, as if he were waiting for a victim, or was this some sort of a random thing, Here she comes, so there I go?
FREIMAN: No. According to what police have said, it seems like he was waiting. Maybe he saw her and then he hid. But he was definitely
waiting because as you see in the video, he kind of pops up out of nowhere and just goes at her.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Luckily, a couple of other guys stepped in to stop him. Police say it is disturbing even for them to watch him attack this
woman in the video. People working and living near the scene at 26th Avenue and Camelback want him arrested.
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[20:15:40]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... young man waiting in the dark, then pouncing on his victim. He knocks her out, drags her, then beats her...
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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace.
An unbelievably brazen attack! This guy doesn`t care who sees him! Luckily, there`s a surveillance video that`s going to get this guy in a lot
of trouble when we finally do get him.
Sergeant Vince Lewis, Phoenix Police Department, Is this a particularly bad area? Have you had any other reports like this in this
general area recently?
LEWIS: Well, you know, what`s important to know is that this area is west of the I-17. I`m familiar with it. I`ve have worked this area for
quite some time. This is, in particular, one of the most -- one of the more brutal incidences that I`m aware of in this particular area. And it`s
a combination of that dark corner and then the access through the -- or the parking lot, the path the victim took. You know, it was kind of a lot of
things went wrong that night.
LALAMA: Before I go to the attorneys to talk about what potentially this guy could face when he is caught, I want to go to Dr. Charles Sophy,
my good friend, psychiatrist, LA County Department of Children`s, Families` Services, author "Side by Side."
Good evening, Doctor. This isn`t the first time for this guy, right?
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: I don`t think so. I think you`re absolutely right. And we also don`t if this guy knows who she is, and
maybe he was looking for her, because it seems very premeditated. We have no idea. But it`s not the first time. He`s thought about it. He`s done
it before.
LALAMA: Dr. Sophy, why the brutality? It`s probably just, you know, a broad question, I`m sure. But (INAUDIBLE) look at him! He`s punching
this poor woman! Why the brutality? Is that just to knock her off her senses so she`s more vulnerable?
SOPHY: No, this is a person who`s got a lot of deep-seated core (ph) anger and rage towards someone, maybe her, but toward women especially.
Look at the beating on a woman. Who does that unless they have a targeted reason for it. And there`s no explanation for treating a woman like that.
LALAMA: Here`s one for you. Does he sit around at home and go, Gee, I think I`m going to go out and beat the living daylights out of some poor
lady? Or is he walking by and something just strikes him? I`m always curious about how these people offend.
SOPHY: Well, the -- looking at that, the level of that kind of rage toward a woman, that`s premeditated. That`s stuff that you`re talking
about sitting around, thinking about on a regular basis. And then he does get tripped up if he may see somebody that triggers those thoughts in him,
unless this is somebody he had a target for.
LALAMA: Unbelievable. Loni Coombs, former LA County prosecutor, another friend of mine -- hi, Loni. Good to see you. What does this
dirtbag face, potentially?
LONI COOMBS, FMR. LA COUNTY PROSECUTOR: You know, Pat, a boatload of charges, anything from a battery to assault to even perhaps attempted
murder. I mean, you have him lying in wait. We don`t know how serious the injuries are yet, you know, the extent of them. There could be permanent
damage here.
And then there`s also these allegations of perhaps an attempted sexual assault. So you could also be adding those charges in. But looking at the
age of the victim, there might even be elderly enhancement because the victim is this older lady. But the extent of the injuries and the extent
of how brutal it was -- and we don`t know how long he would have kept going if these good Samaritans had not come along and stopped him.
LALAMA: Oh, my, thank the Lord! Absolutely. Areva Martin, defense attorney, Paul Batista, defense attorney and author "The Borzoi Killings"
I hope I pronounced that correctly.
The pictures don`t lie, defense attorneys. Come on, Areva. What are you going to do to help this guy?
AREVA MARTIN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, contrary to what you just said, Pat, sometimes pictures do lie. And oftentimes, we have these videotapes
and we think this is it. This is that "Aha" moment and that person has no defense. But we often find that the videotape sometimes is difficult...
LALAMA: What about this, Areva?
MARTIN: ... to make a positive identification.
LALAMA: What about this? Areva, the punching, the punching, the pulling up the pants. Come on!
MARTIN: Well, no doubt, if we can find that person. But you heard the police officer talk about the fact that no one has come forward to
identify this man in the video, nor those two individuals who might be witnesses. So we have a lot to work to do with respect to this case. It`s
not over by a long shot.
[20:20:00]LALAMA: Paul Batista, what are you going to do for this guy if he were yours?
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not by a long shot at all. Look at the video. It is not as clear as everyone else is saying. They haven`t
found him. And we know one other thing, Pat. We know that eyewitness accounts are highly suspect. This is a one room (ph) removed from an
eyewitness account. It`s an unclear tape.
LALAMA: Loni, Loni...
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COOMBS: Yes, I get the eyewitness part, but you`ve got a videotape here, and you can see the actions that are going on. And if the best
defense is, We haven`t found him yet, just give that community time. Give law enforcement time. Remember, there`s a tattoo on the neck. Perhaps
somebody is going to recognize that, perhaps the person who gave him the tattoo.
Also, if there was an attempted sexual assault, there might be DNA left there on the victims that the investigators can go after. So it`s
just a matter of time before we catch this guy. And looking at the video, any jury is going say, We can see clearly what`s going on here. Just tell
us what charges apply, so we can convict him.
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[20:25:00]LALAMA: Get this. Mommy, Daddy, three children find their million-dollar dream home. It`s gorgeous. But that dream quickly turns
into a horrid nightmare when they claim they start getting cryptic, chilling letters from a mystery stalker who goes by the name "the watcher."
The watcher claims he`s been watching the home for decades and wants fresh young blood.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Large six-bedroom home in Union County, New Jersey, being watched.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "All of the windows and doors (INAUDIBLE) boulevard allow me to watch you and track you as you move through the
house."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The bone-chilling letters were enough to send the new family packing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "It will help me to know who is in which bedroom. Then I can plan better."
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LALAMA: Oh, my goodness! Michael Board, reporter, WOAI Newsradio -- forget "Amityville Horror." What the heck is going on here?
MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI: Yes, this really does sound like it`s something right out of a Hollywood horror movie, doesn`t it? It was a couple. They
bought their dream home, but they closed on the deal, but before they could even move into the house, they got this cryptic letter from some unnamed
person who said they`ve been watching the house for two decades and asking about -- you know, We told the previous owners to sell it to you. And we
wanted young blood.
This is just absolutely creepy! I can`t believe that they can`t find out who is sending the letters, Pat.
LALAMA: Unbelievable. Stacey Newman, NANCY GRACE producer -- how are you, Stacey? Let me ask you -- these poor people never even got to move
into this home, correct?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, they were so spooked by the letters that they were getting just a couple days after they bought
this $1.3 million home, with this watcher, stalker person saying, I want fresh young blood. Have you seen what`s behind the walls of your home?
I`ve been watching this house for decades.
They didn`t even feel safe to move in. And also, Pat, this spooked the entire neighborhood -- I mean, this is a very affluent part of town --
to the point where the mayor had to hold a town meeting and discuss who this watcher is.
LALAMA: Unbelievable. Back to Michael Board, reporter, WOAI Newsradio. What can be done here? I mean, so I understand it`s letters,
snail mail essentially. What can be done with the actual evidence in terms of tracing the author?
BOARD: Well, because this is snail mail, there is a trail that can be followed here. We need to find out where the postmark was from. We`re
told that police have looked into that. We`re not sure what was on the envelope itself. We don`t know who this was specifically addressed to, so
we don`t know what name was on the envelope.
But certainly, we can track, you know, the exact place, like where the letter was deposited or what substation it went through. That might give
police some clues. And we`ve been told that police have tracked down those clues. But what also -- you got to figure out with this is, are there any
fingerprints on this? That`s would be a major clue, as well.
LALAMA: DNA on the stamps, fingerprints, anything. Stacey, are they close? Do they have any idea who?
NEWMAN: Well, actually, they are still investigating this. Whoever this watcher is, they`re good. And they also sent letters to the
homeowners who had this house before this family was going to move in. So they`ve not gotten to two families, Pat.
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[20:32:40] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am pleased to know your names now and the name of the young blood you have brought me.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Since moving in, the owners say they`ve received numerous letters from the mysterious person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who am I? I am the Watcher, and have been in control of the boulevard for the better part of two decades now.
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PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST: Unbelievable. Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace. Can you get enough of this stuff? I mean, not to make light of it. It`s a
horrifying thing for everybody in this community. But let`s listen to more from the Watcher.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My grandfather watched the house in the 1920s and my father watched it in the 1960s. It is now my time. Why are you here?
I will find out. Now that they have it to flaunt it, they pay the price. Bad move. You don`t want to make the boulevard unhappy.
Do you need to fill the house with the young blood I requested? Once I know their names I will call to them and draw them to me. I ask to bring
me young blood.
Have they found what is in the walls yet? In time they will. I am pleased to know your names now and the name of the young blood you have
brought me. Have you found all the secretes it holds? Will the young bloods play in the basement? Who has the bedrooms facing the streets?
I`ll know as soon as you move in. It will help me to know who is in which bedroom, then I can plan better.
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LALAMA: Unreal. You know, I live in Hollywood, I work with people who wish that they could write this kind of stuff which would turn into a
television series, right, Michael Board, reporter, WOAI Newsradio? Again not to make light of it but it`s just unbelievable. But guess what?
There`s a lawsuit underneath the horror. Explain that lawsuit.
MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Yes, it`s really an interesting legal strategy here, what the couple who bought this house who
sold closed on this house are doing is they`re suing the former owner saying they should disclose this.
[20:35:00] This is similar like if a homeowner bought a house and then once they bought the house they realized there was maybe a problem with the
foundation they can go back and say hey, you should have disclosed that. They`re saying that this owner should have -- the previous owners should
have disclosed that they got a letter from the Watcher before.
LALAMA: Right. And Stacey Newman, NANCY GRACE producer, therein lies the issue in terms of who`s responsible. I know there are disclosure laws.
If you buy -- if you`re selling a home, you`ve got to say somebody committed suicide here once. The murder here, there was a satanic ritual.
The question now is, would this fit and would it make it, would it give it some legal meat?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, we`ll find out whether the judge decides to keep this or toss this out. But here`s also what`s so
funny about this lawsuit, Pat. They are also suing the Watcher even though we don`t know who it is.
LALAMA: That is absolutely incredible but I think the feeling is some day they will find out who the Watcher is and then sue that person if that
person has got a dime.
Let`s talk about that person, the Watcher, Dr. Charles Sophy. I am so curious. I have this image in my mind of some creepy person in a basement
somewhere with no friends and, like, weird animals around him. But guess what? It can also be a female. What`s your thinking on this? What kind
of profile could you paint for us?
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: I think it`s probably somebody who`s angry that either they got to live in that house or there`s some kind of
unsettled disgruntled person. It could be some grandmother who`s down the street watching the house. You never know who it is. They just want to
create enough fear and discomfort so that people will not live there or feel safe there. The problem is there are children who are going to be the
recipients of a lot of this fear, which is really not a fair thing.
LALAMA: But is this person mentally ill? Is it fair to jump to that conclusion?
SOPHY: Well, it`s definitely fair to jump to a conclusion that they have a lot of issues that need to at least get some assessment and
treatment because doing this to other people is a form of getting your anger out in really unhealthy, sick ways.
SOPHY: Well, let`s go to the legalities here. Loni Coombs, former LA County prosecutor, Areva Martin, defense attorney, and of course Paul
Batista, also defense attorney.
You know, Loni, here in California, you and I both live here, we know there are terrorist, (INAUDIBLE) laws. I mean, you can say certain things
to people and get criminally charged for it. Does this qualify?
LONI COOMBS, FORMER LA COUNTY PROSECUTOR: Well, yes, even the major there said under their laws this would be considered like disorderly
conduct. Perhaps harassment. You could even push for perhaps a stalking charge here because there were more than one letter. There are two plus
letters. It was something that obviously was causing fear in these people. It`s intended to cause fear.
So I would be looking at a strong charge like a stalking charge or felony charge criminally once they identify this person.
LALAMA: Yes, it`s interesting to me, Areva and Paul, that in, I guess, New Jersey they`re calling it disorderly conduct of some sort. It
seems so much more serious to me, Areva?
AREVA MARTIN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, absolutely. I think one of the important things to note about this case is the concept of marketability.
What these people are essentially saying is that this house and this stalker, the person who`s sending this letter makes this property
unmarketable and that the failure to disclose that information causes that to be a fraud. So I think this couple has a very good chance of actually
prevailing on this because of course no one would have bought this house had they known about the serious threats --
LALAMA: Right.
MARTIN: -- being made by this anonymous stalker.
LALAMA: Yes, Paul, I`ve got to -- I`ve got to believe, I mean, that the disclosure laws would definitely encompass something like this. Would
you just say oh come on, we`re overreacting here, this really isn`t that big of a deal, it doesn`t warrant any kind of criminal charge or even a
civil suit?
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": I`d say we`re overreacting on both levels. There is nothing criminal under either
New Jersey or New York law about these letters. They do not express a specific plan, they do not make specific threats, and you need that in
order to make out a criminal case. As far as civil cases are concerned, we have that old expression, buyer beware.
And it is means that there was no obligation on the sellers of this home to disclose the receipt of one or two letters that are disturbing but
they`re vague and they don`t articulate any plan or intention to do harm.
LALAMA: Loni, he`s saying young blood and there`s three children in the house.
COOMBS: Yes.
LALAMA: He or she, whoever.
COOMBS: Exactly. Exactly. And any reasonable person is going to look at that and say what is going on here. This is creepy, this is
freaking me out. He is targeting my children? He or she wants to know where they`re staying in the home. They`re talking about taking action.
That`s enough specificity for stalking, for potential threats.
[20:40:06] And as far as the marketability, while there is not a law in New Jersey that requires that you disclose things that might affect
marketability -- there are laws in other states but not in New Jersey -- this is clearly a type of fraud. And when you say buyer beware, it has to
be something that the buyers could reasonably discover. Apparently nobody knew about these letters except for the previous owners. And they weren`t
telling anyone so there was no way that the buyers could have discovered this on their own.
LALAMA: Let`s listen the one more audio piece from this crazy, crazy communication. Go for it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of the windows and doors in boulevard allow me to watch you and track you as you move through the house. Who am I? I am
the Watcher, and have been in control of the boulevard for the better part of two decades now. The family turned it over to you, it was their time to
move on and kindly sold it when I asked them to. You have changed it and made it so fancy.
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[20:45:20] LALAMA: The desperate search for a Tennessee schoolgirl who disappears from her own home. Haley Wilson spotted on surveillance at
a North Carolina Wal-Mart more than 100 miles from her home. Was Haley the target of a 41-year-old sex offender who preys on the little girl online?
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: 14-year-old Haley Wilson showing off in these surveillance pictures from a store in Marion, North Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody knows this man. So he`s just a total stranger.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Which is why they`re worried sick.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For Haley`s sick, I just ask you to be man enough to bring her home safe.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s a heartbreaking site for the Wilson family who hasn`t seen their daughter in days.
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LALAMA: I am Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. I want to go right to Eddie Wilson, the father of Haley. We are just -- our heart breaks for you
Eddie. I can`t imagine the hell your family must be going through. Tell us what you know. What`s the latest?
EDDIE WILSON, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL: I just tell you, I just don`t know how to express it, but you know, we are missing Haley. She has been
ran away and she was lured in by one of these predators. And we just want him to bring her back home. And if the guy would just -- I don`t know, be
man enough, this little girl don`t need this. She is not -- she is just a 14-year-old child. And she`s just been lured in by trying to help
somebody, and now she is prey to one of these predators.
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LALAMA: Mr. Wilson, anything that we can do to help we`re here for you. Can you tell us what are police saying? What`s the latest in terms
of where they may be?
WILSON: Well, we`re hoping that they came back home to Tennessee. I don`t know that for sure. But the rumor is going around and spread like
wild fire. But they`re hoping that she came back to Tennessee, and they`re investigating a lot of people around. You know, and I talked to the TBI
just a few minutes ago, and he still don`t have anything important to the investigation that he could give me that would give any hope. So we`re
just hoping and praying and want everybody to send their prayers out that god will send her home.
LALAMA: Eddie, you know, I can`t imagine. You know, you`re not alone in this unfortunately. There are so many parents who suffered this fate
when their children are lured by, you know, such creepy monsters.
WILSON: Yes.
LALAMA: We have no idea how this all came about. We`re hoping for the best. I just want to ask you this. What can we do. I know you want
prayers. What can we, the public, do to help you. We hear she`s a lovely young lady, a great student.
WILSON: Yes.
LALAMA: A sweet person. How can we help you?
WILSON: All I know to do is just keep pushing her photos out there and you know, just -- I don`t know. I wish I could tell you what to do.
But just keep putting her photos out there and spreading the word around to where it just reaches every home.
LALAMA: Yes.
WILSON: I know there`s been other people who face this, I can relate to what they went through. But you know, as a standpoint you just don`t
know what to tell everybody to do.
LALAMA: Well, you know what, we`re lucky enough to have Marc Klaas with us tonight, president and founder of the KlaasKids Foundation.
Marc, what kind of solace can you give this man?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, listen, Eddie, I think you`re doing a wonderful job. You`re exactly right.
People have to keep your daughter`s face in front of them. They have to know where they`re going. And we know where they`re going. We know that
they are headed southeast because they were seen in North Carolina. We know who she is with.
We know what kind of a vehicle they`re most likely driving, and we know that he don`t have much money. Well, I think it just a matter of time
before law enforcement, with the help of the public, is able to bring this guy in and deliver your loving daughter back home to you.
LALAMA: And I`m sure it`ll happen. And now let`s take a look at "CNN HEROES."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You take back a lot of things from war that you didn`t think you were going to bring back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just angry at everyone and didn`t want anything to do with anybody.
[20:50:03] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It can be kind of hard. You just get kind of anxious.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You stop feeling basically.
SEAN GOBIN, CNN HERO: All three of my combat deployments were really intense. There is no time to cope. I decided to hike the Appalachian
Trail because it`s been a dream of mine, growing up. I saw it as a personal challenge. But about two-thirds of the way I realized I was
processing all of these experiences that I put away and I knew that there were other combat veterans that needed to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll see you all in about six months.
GOBIN: The Warrior Hike provides veterans with all the equipment and supplies they need to complete along a distance hike. It`s just like a
deployment except instead of going to fight a war, your mission is to be a civilian again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just being in the woods out here, there`s nothing to do but think.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was an internal quiet and some of the problems that you`re dealing with get hammered away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gorillas in the mist? Just being around other military is worth more than words can say.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many years you been doing it now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifteen years.
GOBIN: Our veterans also receive trail town support along the way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can see how much they care. It helps.
GOBIN: We help veterans prepare for the next chapter of their life.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m here to learn it to take it as it comes and move on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m looking for that sense of calm. Every step I take, I think I`m going in that direction.
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[20:55:46] UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A heartbreaking sight for the Wilson family who hasn`t seen their daughter in days.
WILSON: I want my baby home.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A little girl, 14-year-old Haley Wilson showing up in these surveillance pictures from a store in Marion, North
Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody knows this man. He`s just a total stranger.
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LALAMA: Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace.
Mike Howard, morning show host, Knox Talk Radio, very quickly, give us a timeline, where did they leave? Where did they go? Where were they last
traced?
MIKE HOWARD, MORNING SHOW HOST, KNOX TALK RADIO: Well, apparently it seems Monday night about 10:00 p.m. is when she was coerced to steal her
stepfather`s truck in northeast Tennessee. If you think of Tennessee on the map there, the point of (INAUDIBLE) right up there at the very
northeastern tip, right around there.
The next morning, early Tuesday morning, they`re spotted in Marion, North Carolina, which is about a 100 -- a little over 100 miles southeast.
So about two, two and a half hours southeast. They end up at a North Carolina Wal-Mart. They`re seen in a maroon sport -- Ford Explorer Sport
truck. The stolen vehicle. They attempt to go inside and buy camping gear with the --
LALAMA: Right.
HOWARD: With Haley`s stepfather`s stolen credit card. Apparently they`re not able to do so. Surveillance photos show them then leaving
empty-handed. And that was the last -- that was the last known area they were in. Now as you heard from her father, they think she may be back in
Tennessee.
LALAMA: Clark, I just -- I`m sorry to cut you off there, Mike. But there`s so much that we need to get to.
Kick, what the heck is Kick and why do we need to know about it as anyone who has children?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Pat, all the kids are doing it nowadays. It`s the new, hot instant messaging app. You
can download it, put it on your phone and just text back and forth. Now you can also send pictures, videos, drawings.
Here`s the thing, you got to believe authorities have served warrants trying to get the data from what these conversations showed. Now also,
Pat, about that credit card, it was declined, but did tell authorities they were apparently buying camping equipment.
LALAMA: Unbelievable. Dr. Charles Sophy, a profile, please, of this guy.
SOPHY: This is a man who is preying on a child, obviously. He`s probably emotionally closer to the age that this young girl is at. And the
sad thing is, you teach your children to be kind and respectful and helpful of people. And they do that. They just don`t have the judgment yet
because they`re young to sniff out these kinds of people. But this is a sick man who is emotionally immature and probably very mentally ill.
LALAMA: Lawyers, Loni, Areva and Paul, I don`t care there aren`t laws tough enough for guys like this.
Loni, want to jump in real quick? All of you, anybody?
COOMBS: Yes, yes, absolutely. Let`s not forget this guy`s been convicted of aggravated child molestation. He`s on parole at this time.
He was supposed to be checking in. He`s already violated his conditions. So it`s very serious and it`s probably has very bad intent towards this
young girl.
BATISTA: I`ll jump in. There is no indication here that a crime such as kidnapping or anything else as far as we know --
LALAMA: Oh, for god sake.
BATISTA: -- has taken place. So let`s not jump to conclusions.
COOMBS: She`s 14 years old. Fourteen.
LALAMA: Areva? Yes. Yes. Fourteen years old.
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MARTIN: Wake up call for all parents.
LALAMA: Well, that`s the most profound thing. You`re absolutely right.
Let`s stop to remember American hero, Texas police sergeant, Christopher Kelly, 37 years old killed in the line of duty. He served the
Hutto Police Department for 11 years and also served the United States Air Force. He leaves behind a grieving widow and two children.
Christopher Kelly, American hero.
Dr. Drew coming up next. Good night, everybody.
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