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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live Bonita Springs, Florida, mystery surrounding the murder of a gorgeous young doctor, a mother of two
little girls, Dr. Teresa Sievers found murdered in her upscale Florida home while Sievers`s husband and two little daughters out of town.
Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, we identify the murder weapon. Will it lead to her killer?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives are gearing up to investigate the homicide of this prominent doctor, Teresa Sievers, found dead inside her home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody in the neighborhood wants to know why, how, when, you know, who found her?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As detectives zeroed in on a broken door handle.
DR. TERESA SIEVERS, PHYSICIAN: So that message that goes up to the brain is one of fight or flight.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from Teresa Sievers`s YouTube channel.
And caught on video, a brutal beating given to a schoolboy at Stonecrest (ph) suburban mall. And you think mall security is just rent-a-cops to
snooze through the afternoon munching at the food court?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dramatic cell phone video shows Stonecrest Mall security guards hitting a teenager multiple times despite screams in the
background. Even after the young teen falls down in the rain, the three men follow him toward the bushes and continue to throw heavy punches.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, caught on video, screaming, weeping celebutante Paris Hilton on a private jet that plummets to the ground, some passengers even
evacuated. The video from YouTube and MBC Group. But was Paris Hilton pranked for TV ratings? Then reports Hilton says, I`m taking them to
court.
But tonight, as all of us were actually feeling sorry for Paris Hilton, she`s busted, reports by TMZ she was in on the prank and stands to make a
reported million dollars off the scam. Paris Hilton busted! Or is she?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paris Hilton terrified, screaming and crying as her plane starts to go down!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Live Bonita Springs, Florida, mystery surrounding the murder of a gorgeous young doctor, a mother of two little girls, Dr. Teresa
Sievers, found brutally murdered in her upscale Florida home while Sievers`s husband and two little daughters out of town.
As we go to air tonight, we identify the murder weapon. Will it lead to her killer? According to police that processed the home, that first
answered the welfare check, it was one of the most brutal crime scenes they had ever seen.
We speculated last night, based on the little bit we knew, that it could not have been an asphyxiation or a drowning, it had to be something that
would qualify in the minds of veteran police officers as the most brutal crime scene they had ever seen.
And tonight, based on information inside the police investigation, we learn why.
Matt Zarrell, on the story, what can you tell me about a murder weapon?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, OK, so we spoke exclusively to this neighbor who confirmed what we believed, that this was
not only a brutal murder and a very gruesome scene, but now we know what we believe to be is the murder weapon. The neighbor says that a police
investigator told her that the murder weapon was a hammer.
GRACE: A hammer used. I`ve got a lot of questions, Matt Zarrell. We are learning from inside the police investigation and from neighbors there in
the community, in fact, on that street, that the murder weapon was, in fact, a hammer.
Can you imagine the damage to this beautiful young doctor if she were beaten, bludgeoned to death with a hammer? And that is what police found.
To you, Bob Alexander, news director at Fox News 92.5. Bob, what originally called police to the home?
You`re seeing Teresa Sievers`s YouTube channel.
Go ahead, Bob.
BOB ALEXANDER, FOX NEWS 92.5 (via telephone): Nancy, Bonita still a neighborhood on edge as the killer of Dr. Sievers remains on the loose.
Another interesting development today. Lee County sheriff`s office issued a statement saying while they`re pursuing several leads, they`re asking
area residents to be very vigilant in locking the doors of their homes and their vehicles and to keep a sharp eye out for any suspicious activity.
[20:05:14]Now, yesterday, the sheriff`s office had said the community was in no danger. So that is quite a big change of message, which is adding to
the angst of people in the neighborhood and all over the Bonita community.
GRACE: Matt Zarrell, my question was, what originally led police to the home? What led them to the home to find her bludgeoned body?
ZARRELL: Yes, so people who work in her doctor`s office became very concerned on Monday morning when Teresa did not show up for work. And they
called police and were concerned about it, and police went and did a welfare check on the home about 9:45 AM on Monday. And that is when they
found the body.
GRACE: OK. What we also know is that in the middle of the night, this the pre-dawn hours, neighbors were awoken, not neighbors in the same home, but
neighbors living in different directions from the Sievers home.
And with us tonight is a neighbor who does not want to be identified -- I`m going to call her Susie, that is not her name -- who actually heard
something stunning in the early morning hours when Dr. Sievers was brutally bludgeoned dead inside her home. Remember, husband and two little girls
are in Connecticut at a family get-together.
Ma`am, thank you for being with us.
SUSIE, NEIGHBOR OF VICTIM (via telephone): Yes.
GRACE: Ma`am, could you tell us what exactly you heard, what happened first?
SUSIE: My dogs were laying on the bed, and they started barking and growling. And I get up to go see what they`re growling at. I looked out
the window. I don`t really see anything. Then all of a sudden, I heard a scream, like a shrill, a long shrill as if a child was hurt or something
like that.
GRACE: OK, so first your dogs, who I assume are inside dogs, in the home with you -- they start barking. They must have heard something before you
did.
SUSIE: Exactly. Exactly. Yes.
GRACE: So you hear the dogs. Are they in a different room from you?
SUSIE: No, they`re in the same room as me.
GRACE: OK.
SUSIE: And my dogs -- yes, my dogs alert me to anything that`s going on. And when they get up and start growling and barking, even though I haven`t
heard anything yet, when they get up to do that, that prompts me to say, Oh, I better go check it out. And I got up...
GRACE: About what -- what time of the morning or night was this, ma`am?
SUSIE: This was right before daylight. I`m not for sure exactly the time of it. I just knew it was right before daylight.
GRACE: Now, there in Bonita Springs...
(CROSSTALK)
SUSIE: ... probably around 5:00 or 6:00.
GRACE: OK, between 5:00 and 6:00 is our estimate. Right.
SUSIE: Right.
GRACE: 5:00 and 6:00, you hear your dogs. They`re alerted to something. They`re scratching. They`re barking. And what do you do?
SUSIE: I get up and go check out what`s -- you know, what`s going on. They take me -- direct me towards the window. I look out the window, open
up the window a little bit. Then all of a sudden, a few seconds later, I hear a shrill.
GRACE: Did it sound like a male, female or child?
SUSIE: It sounded like a child. It could have been a female that was screaming, just a terrifying shrill. It lasted for a few seconds long.
GRACE: Could you tell the direction from which it was coming?
SUSIE: Absolutely. It was coming from the direction of the house that`s located in front of mine, where I`m at.
GRACE: Is that the Sievers home?
SUSIE: That`s the Sievers home.
GRACE: And what, if anything, did you do? Did you continue to listen if you heard anything else?
SUSIE: I did. I waited around a few minutes to see -- you know, I was thinking, What is that? Is there a child out at this time of the morning?
I looked around. Then we heard -- you know, we didn`t hear anything else. And so I went on back to bed, not thinking anything of it until the next
morning.
GRACE: Everyone, joining us is a neighbor that has spoken to police, that has stated she heard a terrified scream, a shriek between 5:00 and 6:00 AM.
The reason this is so significant is that it is narrowing down a timeline, a very significant timeline. This sets apart her arriving home the evening
before and the time of the murder.
Matt Zarrell, we have now identified the murder weapon. We`ve got the beginning of a timeline, OK?
Let me go back to Susie. Hold on, Matt. Ma`am, from your view, could you see if there was a car parked in the Sievers`s driveway or in front of
their home?
[20:10:06]SUSIE: From where I live? From where I heard the scream? No.
GRACE: So you did not have a bird`s-eye view of that. Did you see anything amiss whatsoever?
SUSIE: Not that night. We have noticed, you know, a few odd things. Mrs. Sievers, we`ve never seen her other than just in passing. She`s always
kept to herself. And you know, just the past couple weeks, she`s been out playing with her kids, walking the dogs, you know, something she never
does.
GRACE: So she`s been out with her two little girls.
Matt Zarrell, also significant -- we`ve got the beginnings of a timeline here, but also, we are learning from carefully combing over the police
video -- everybody, you`re seeing Dr. Sievers from her YouTube channel -- we think we`ve identified the way the killer entered the home. We think we
have. What do we know, Matt?
ZARRELL: Yes, so we`ve got this video that appears to show crime scene officers that are focusing on a side door that appears to be broken in some
capacity.
Now, when you see this, you`ll see that it looks like a latch on the door is actually busted. You can see it actually broken out away, and that
indicates that maybe the killer got in through that door.
GRACE: The killer may have gotten in through that door, but was that set up? Because if they`ve got an alarm system -- go with me for a moment,
Matt Zarrell and Bob Alexander. If they`ve got an alarm system, which I know for a fact that they do, all right, if this door was pried open, that
would have set off an alarm system that would have contacted their alarm company. That didn`t happen.
So was the perp in the home already? Was the perp given access to the home? Or did the perp have access already to the home? Did he -- and it`s
obviously a male. This was an act of great power and strength on a female. We`re talking about Dr. Teresa Sievers. Did he already have access? Did
he know a code? Did he have a key? Was that just to throw somebody off? Those are some of the questions we`re trying to answer.
Everyone, you are seeing what we have learned. Look at this door. The kicker -- it did not set off the alarm which we know to have been on. Take
a listen to Dr. Sievers in her own words.
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SIEVERS: I didn`t come from the perfect family when I was a kid, although I`d never had a life anything like these girls go through. I do like them
to know you don`t just wake up one day, become a doctor, have a business and have a perfect life. It requires work. And so, hopefully, I instill
in them hope and a belief that they can be anything they want to be.
I have a lot of gratitude that I`m able to give some time back. It`s a place of healing for girls. It`s a chance of a new life. And it really
makes you realize what is important in life that you have and what so many other people don`t have and how important it is to give back to them, to
help them get the things that they didn`t have in life from the traditional family.
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[20:15:53]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A community disrupted yet again, waking up emotional and in disbelief about a mysterious killing shaking their
neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Vibrant, alive person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dozens of training academy recruits combed the Jarvis (ph) Road home and direct area, helping detectives look for evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Imagine there`s been a murder on your street right across the street from your house. So what would anybody think? It`s
shocking.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Dozens of police recruits called in to march shoulder to shoulder looking for evidence. Who murdered a beloved doctor, a mother of two, a
gorgeous young mom, Teresa Sievers, found bludgeoned dead in her own upscale home. Husband and two little girls had remained in Connecticut at
a family get-together.
You`re seeing Dr. Sievers at the Teresa Sievers YouTube channel.
It`s my understanding, Bob Alexander, news director there at Fox News 92.5 -- when did the husband and the two children come home?
ALEXANDER: Nancy, the family members returned late on Wednesday. They came to the Fort Myers area. Then a large throng arrived at the home.
They were seen to be obviously distraught. They go away for a family get- together and come home to a crime scene. People were comforting each other.
They stayed at the home for about 20 minutes and then they left. No word on where they`re staying while the home continues to be processed by law
enforcement.
GRACE: Did the children, the two little girls, go into the home?
ALEXANDER: We didn`t see any evidence of the children being AS part of that group. We did not see them anywhere near the home going into the
home.
GRACE: Good.
ALEXANDER: So we believe no.
GRACE: Good. Because, you know, Bob Alexander, with a gruesome crime scene like that, it`s really best that they never, ever see that. Also,
police should not -- and I`m sure they know this -- rush the crime scene development in order to get the home cleaned up for the family to come in
because you cannot afford to wash away that single piece of evidence that could find Teresa Sievers`s killer.
[20:20:05]Matt Zarrell, very, very important. What can you tell me about a vehicle?
ZARRELL: Yes, OK, so we spoke to this neighbor, who says that the morning the body was discovered, there was a tan Chevy Avalanche truck in the
driveway of the Sievers`s home. The neighbor noticed it about 9:00 AM.
And the reason that`s very significant is cops were not called for 45 minutes after the car was seen. Cops called 9:45. The neighbor says the
car was parked in the driveway really close to the garage door. The neighbor had never seen it there before.
And Nancy, one thing I want to point out that`s very important. The cops, when they came, they took pictures and fingerprints of the car, and then
the main investigator on the case drove the truck away before the media was even aware that this was a crime scene.
GRACE: OK, let`s go through the timeline one more time. I`ve got Susie with me -- not her real name -- a neighbor who distinctly was woken up by
her dogs who were in the bedroom with her -- they alerted her first. She stood up to find out why they were going crazy, and she distinctly heard a
female or child scream from the Sievers home.
We know there were no children there. It had to be Dr. Sievers. So she was alive at that time, between 5:00 and 6:00 AM. This is on a Monday
morning.
Now, remember -- think about this, Matt. Think about this, Bob Alexander. She flew back the night before from Connecticut, leaving her husband and
children there, to see patients. She was going to get up the next morning at 5:00 o`clock. Think about it. She got up, it sounds as if on schedule.
But then a scream pierces the morning air there in Bonita Springs, Florida.
You`re seeing Teresa Sievers`s YouTube channel.
And now let`s take it from there. The scream is let`s just say between 5:00 and 6:00 AM, according to the neighbor. Matt, tell me about this
vehicle one more time.
ZARRELL: Yes, so it`s a tan Chevy Avalanche truck. It was seen parked in the driveway of the home really close to the garage door. It was spotted
at 9:00 AM, and cops were called at 9:45 AM.
GRACE: The police tonight begging for your help. Who killed this beautiful, this gorgeous young mother of two, Dr. Teresa Sievers? Her
patients show up on Monday morning to a notice, We regret to inform you Dr. Sievers has passed away. The tip line is 1-800-780-TIPS -- 1-800-780-8477.
The reward is climbing.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:53]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard what was like a shrill, like they got hurt.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doctor and mother of two found dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Murder of Dr. Teresa Sievers inside her home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the safest place is in your own home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Neighborhood on edge.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m very scared.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I (INAUDIBLE) thinking that someone`s going to come in and kill me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Tonight, we are on the hunt for a killer, a man we believe murdered, brutally murdered a gorgeous young doctor, a mother of two,
beloved by thousands, Dr. Teresa Sievers.
Bob Alexander, news director at Fox News 92.5, why did the family stay in Connecticut? The mother, the wife, is found slain in her home on Monday
morning when the office calls police because she hasn`t shown up to see patients. Why did they stay until Wednesday before they came home?
ALEXANDER: Well, the exact travel plans, Nancy, were not divulged as to when they were supposed to come home. But on top of that, I think law
enforcement wanted to give them a little bit of time to process this whole thing before making that trip home.
This came as an incredible shock. How do you even begin to process it as a husband and then have to tell young girls that their mother is no longer
alive? I mean, it`s just such a complete shock to the family. I think it was a good thing on behalf of the family to give some time before making
the trek back and having to see the home and deal with a whole new life, basically.
GRACE: Back to the vehicle. Joining me is a neighbor that heard, that awoke in the early morning hours around 5:00 AM, to a shrill scream that
pierced the morning air. I`m calling her Susie. That is not her name.
Susie, have you ever seen a vehicle like a tan Chevy Avalanche four-door, it`s an SUV, truck around her home?
SUSIE: The only time I ever seen this vehicle was Monday morning.
GRACE: And what time did you see it?
SUSIE: That was around 9:30.
GRACE: Ah. OK. See, I thought from your vantage point, you could not see what was in her driveway.
SUSIE: I was at my daughter`s house.
GRACE: Ah, I see. So you came from your home and walked around, and you could see the front. Liz, let`s see a picture of the front of Dr.
Sievers`s home, Teresa Sievers`s home.
So let me ask you this. Susie, I`m glad I asked you. Where was it parked exactly in her driveway, up at the garage?
SUSIE: It was up -- it wasn`t quite towards the garage. It was actually on the right side of the driveway, about four feet from the garage.
GRACE: So was it on the driveway or in the grass?
SUSIE: It was on the driveway, inside crime scene tape.
GRACE: Ah! So she has a two-door, then a one-door garage, two-car and one-car garage attached. So you`re saying it was in front of that one-car
garage portion.
SUSIE: Correct.
[20:30:06] GRACE: I`ve got so many questions as to their mode of transport, if she drove her own vehicle home, if she took an Uber, if she
took a cab. We don`t know because those garage doors are closed. But that could tell me a lot.
We know, Bob Alexander, FOX News in Ft. Myers, that she called when she got home and said, I made it, but we don`t know if she called when she touched
down or she called when she got in her home and got the alarm turned on. But somehow somebody got in that home without turning on the alarm.
ALEXANDER: THAT`S been the big mystery here so far, Nancy, because we haven`t been able to get any kind of word from the security company that
was hired to take care of security for that home. They were there yesterday helping to process the crime scene, but that`s the only thing
that they would confirm. They did come to the Sievers` home on February 1st when there was a report of a nuisance but no report was generated from
that call.
It was only a thing when the neighbors were making too much noise. That`s been the only report of any kind of disturbance in that neighborhood
anytime this year.
GRACE: So an extremely quiet neighborhood.
Everybody, we`re also learning as we go to air tonight that police seized, confiscated, computers out of the Sievers home. Now what does that mean?
That does not necessarily mean that somebody in the home is involved in this. Could it mean that Dr. Sievers had arranged for a different cleanup
crew, a yard person, a pool person, a repair person to come to her home on Monday morning? Is that what they`re looking for?
Whenever we hear a computer was seized we immediately think, oh, it`s the husband`s computer. We don`t know that. And we do know the husband was
far, far away at the time this happened. Who drives a tan Chevy Avalanche? Why do they want the family computer?
To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert, what do you think, Ben?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Well, Nancy, Dr. Sievers was also a public figure. She talked a lot about women`s health, men`s health, and
as a public figure she was really accessible. I mean, it was very easy to contact her by e-mail, very easy to find out where she would live. And so
if someone -- you know, anyone in the public who had a beef with her or what she would say --
GRACE: A beef? A beef? She worked at a home for unwed teen girls.
LEVITAN: Yes.
GRACE: She was all about helping the community. A beef, what, about doing good?
She was known as a Mother Theresa of Bonita Springs.
LEVITAN: Exactly.
GRACE: I mean, how can you have an enemy with that?
LEVITAN: She was very accessible. It was very easy to find out where she lived by going online. So we want to look at her computer and see if
someone was harassing her. Public figures, you know that, Nancy, get all sorts of crazy people who get mad at them. But we would be able to find
out from her computer if she was getting harassing messages.
GRACE: You know what, you`re right. You`re right, Ben Levitan. You`re absolutely right.
Dr. Michelle DuPre, forensic pathologist, Columbia -- Doctor DuPre, if we are correct that the murder weapon is in fact a hammer, that suggests a
crime of opportunity that someone was in the home and then beat her with a hammer, not necessarily. What evidence do you expect?
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, there can be a whole host of evidence, especially the blood spatter.
We can tell so many things from that. We can tell the area of impact. We can tell the minimum number of times she was struck from blood spatter.
And of course by examining the body as well. We can also tell if there was any movement and we can tell other things about that from the hammer
itself.
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TERESA SIEVERS: I got familiar with Her Mother`s Home because I`d started to learn about human trafficking. And I was already donating to the home
and I did not realize that they actually took human trafficking victims. And literally I just received a message one day, I felt like thinking about
the home, and it was just divine intervention. You know, you just need to go to the home and see what it`s about. And I came and I never left, and
that was almost six years ago.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: Caught on video. A brutal beating given to a schoolboy at Stonecrest Suburban Mall. And you think mall security is just a rent-a-cop
to snooze through the afternoon munching down at the food court?
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Mall security guards hitting a teenager multiple times, despite screams in the background. She says the security guards
swung first after they tried to get the boy and his friends to leave at around 6:45.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No grown men should be jumping kids.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: The beating goes on and on.
Liz, if you could queue it up from the beginning. Look at these mall cops. They`re huge. They are punching and beating, two of them, on one
schoolboy. It`s my understanding this mall has a curfew that after I think 6:30 or so -- 4:00, it`s 4:00. That no one, no child under 18 can be there
without parents.
[20:40:12] The boy actually tries to run away, and they chase him and continue to beat the boy. Mall cops. Mall cops caught on video beating a
schoolboy.
Ninette Sosa joining us from Newsradio 106.7. Ninette, why? Why the beating?
NINETTE SOSA, NEWSRADIO 106.7: It was so blatant to see that video. It was just incredible. But they are enforcing this 2009 law to management
that implemented parental involvement programs. And that says after 4:00 anyone under the age of 18 or younger must be with an adult, bottom line.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Jay Abt out of Atlanta and Rene Sandler, defense attorney out of Washington, D.C.
Rene Sandler, who are these people? They`re obviously not regular police officers. And why are they entrusted with the ability to beat people? I
don`t think that`s their job description. Over a curfew?
RENE SANDLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, their job -- their job description is to uphold the peace and protect the mall and to provide --
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Protect -- did you just say protect the mall?
SANDLER: Yes, I did. They`re upholding a curfew.
GRACE: Protect the mall.
SANDLER: Which is a requirement for these kids to not be in there without a parent or guardian. So what do they do?
GRACE: A requirement. A mall requirement?
SANDLER: Yes. Absolutely.
GRACE: Excuse me, Rene, but I think I live in the United States of America, not the United States of the mall regulation.
SANDLER: Yes, you do. And there`s a rule of law in the mall.
GRACE: So you`re expecting me that this -- it`s OK for this schoolboy to get a severe --
SANDLER: Yes.
GRACE: Show the video, please. Beating because he`s in the mall past 4:00 without his mommy? Are you serious?
SANDLER: Yes, I`m serious.
GRACE: I`m thinking of --
SANDLER: He`s required to comply with the law.
GRACE: Oh, honey, he`s going to jail. I`m just telling you that right now.
With me is -- speaking of mothers -- the mother of this schoolboy, Chavella Hamm, and her lawyer, Mawuli Davis.
Miss Hamm, thank you for being with us.
CHAVELLA HAMM, MOTHER OF ASSAULTED BOY: Hello.
GRACE: Miss Hamm, I can barely stand to spank my children. When I do, it`s like on the booty. How did you first feel? Do you remember the
moment you first saw this video?
HAMM: I dropped. I dropped to my knees. I was so upset. So -- just fear. I just couldn`t believe it. I was devastated seeing that.
GRACE: Now your son, he`s in school, and he was at the mall I guess past 4:00. Did you have any idea what was going on?
HAMM: No, I did not.
GRACE: When did you find out your son had been beaten like this?
HAMM: My son called me on the phone and told me, Ma, come help me. Get over her quick. And that he was by the movie theater of the mall, which I
was just at another store at the mall. So when I got over there --
GRACE: So let me understand this. You were actually at the mall in a different store?
HAMM: Yes. Yes.
GRACE: So for all of you that believe mall cops are just snoozing through the day and munching out at Cinnabon or the food court, it`s not like that.
Look at this brutal beating.
Also with me, Miss Hamm, in addition to Miss Hamm is her lawyer Mawuli Davis.
Mister Davis, again, thank you to the two of you for being with us.
MAWULI DAVIS, ATTORNEY TO ASSAULTED BOY`S FAMILY: Thank you.
GRACE: I cannot even imagine seeing someone do that to my children. I can`t even imagine it. And I want to know what you`re going to do about
it.
DAVIS: Well, I have 15- and 17-year-old sons, and it was devastating for me to see this, Nancy. So today we went to the judge --
GRACE: He was taken to the hospital.
DAVIS: Yes. His eye was split open as a result of him being slung into the bench. And his eyes open -- wide open because of this violent behavior
of people who are supposed to protect him, not do this kind of violence against him. It`s just -- it`s disturbing. So we went to a judge today.
We`ve asked for a hearing so that we can actually show this entire video to a judge and get these men arrested for what they did to this young man.
GRACE: A grown man. And look at the size of those cops.
DAVIS: Oh, they`re big men.
GRACE: Well, they`re not cops. They`re not cops. They`re security guards. They`re mall cops.
DAVIS: Exactly.
[20:45:01] GRACE: And they are there to protect people. Now this young man, this boy, is a schoolboy.
DAVIS: Correct.
GRACE: Had not done, to our knowledge, anything wrong at all other than breaking curfew. But let`s just pretend, even if he had done something,
what if he shoplifted, what if he caused a ruckus in the food court? Still, nothing deserves this unless he was a fleeing felon, for Pete`s
sake. Police aren`t even allowed to do this under the law. And a mall cop is doing this?
Miss Hamm, what did you tell your son when he said, mommy, help me?
HAMM: I told him I`d be right there. And I made my way to him as fast as I could.
GRACE: Dr. Charles Sophy with us, psychiatrist in L.A., author of "Side by Side."
Doctor Sophy, what gets into the minds of these mall cops and others that have a little bit of power?
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: Unfortunately, that power falls onto an age that`s not much different than the age of that victim right there. So
they become children themselves or adolescents. And before you know it, they`re in a peer-to-peer brawl in their mind. That`s why they`re so
locked into it. Very sad. Very scary.
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[20:50:36] GRACE: Celebrity Paris Hilton, screaming, wailing, as her plane plummets to earth, then we find out it was a prank? Screaming, crying,
begging for her life as passengers were literally thrown out an open door. This video from YouTube and NBC Group.
But, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, RadarOnline, was she in on it?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Yes, she was. I told you so.
GRACE: You sure did.
TERESZCUK: So Paris Hilton is the biggest faker out there. I don`t judge you for -- I think it was very nice that you believed her because that
shows what a kind person you are. I could never give Paris Hilton that credit. I knew that she was up to something bad.
GRACE: You know, Alexis, you did tell me and I sided with Paris and boy, do I have egg on my face. I`m eating crow sandwich.
Chris Spargo, Dailymail.com, how do we know she`s busted? How do we know she was part of this?
CHRIS SPARGO, REPORTER, DAILYMAIL.COM: So now they`ve actually obtained the document and the contract they were sending out, trying to get an
American celebrity to do this, to get a ratings booster. This prank showed that heiress over there during Ramadan. And now we see exactly what
happened. She might have gotten close to $1 million to do this, to pretend that her plane was crashing.
GRACE: To Mary Schiavo, CNN aviation analyst, how dangerous is this and what will aviation authorities have to say?
MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, it`s very dangerous and as someone who works in aviation safety 24 hours a day, I`m fairly well
outraged because many things can happen when you perform flights like this over populated areas. It`s simply not allowed in the United States. You
have to have a license for aerobatic flight, for parachuting operations. By opening that back door, the plane may change the aero dynamics of the
flight and people can and have been sucked out in situations like that. Extremely dangerous.
GRACE: You are seeing YouTube and NBC Group video.
Jay Abt, defense attorney, Rene Sandler -- Jay Abt, there is now talk of suing Paris Hilton for fraud. But who`s going to sue her? All the reality
shows are rigged.
JAY ABT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. I mean, it seems like Paris Hilton is so pathetic for having done this. But I can`t imagine there is any lawsuit
here to have been had. She is in on it so she certainly can`t sue anyone involved and I can`t imagine anyone being able to bring any action as a
result of this.
GRACE: All the reality shows are rigged and I guess this is no different. I`m eating a crow sandwich tonight.
CNN Heroes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You take back a lot of things from war that you didn`t think you were going to bring back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just angry at everyone and didn`t want anything to do with anybody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It can be kind of hard. You just get kind of anxious.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You stop feeling basically.
SEAN GOBIN, CNN HERO: All three of my combat deployments were really intense. There is no time to cope. I decided to hike the Appalachian
Trail because it`s been a dream of mine, growing up. I saw it as a personal challenge. But about two-thirds of the way I realized I was
processing all of these experiences that I had put away and I knew that there were other combat veterans that needed to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll see you all in about six months.
GOBIN: The Warrior Hike provides veterans with all the equipment and supplies they need to complete along a distance hike. It`s just like a
deployment except instead of going to fight a war, your mission is to be a civilian again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just being in the woods out here, there`s nothing to do but think.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s an internal quiet and some of the problems that you`re dealing with get hammered away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gorillas in the mist? Just being around other military is worth more than words can say.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many years you`ve been doing it now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifteen years.
GOBIN: Our veterans also receive trail town support along the way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you? You can see how much they care. It helps.
GOBIN: We help veterans prepare for the next chapter of their life.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m here to learn it to take it as it comes and move on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m looking for that sense of calm. Every step I take, I think I`m going in that direction.
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GRACE: Let`s remember American hero, Army Sgt. Jose Velez, 35, the Bronx, Purple Heart, Meritorious Service Media. A street in his hometown named in
his honor. Loved coffee. Parents, Rosa and Miguel. Two brothers, two sisters. Widow, Evangelique. Children Melody and Christopher.
Jose Velez, American hero.
And the twins and I went to visit grand mommy and grand daddy and we snuck up on grand mommy, practicing for the July 4th. Take a listen.
I hope have you a wonderful and blessed July 4th. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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