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Second "Millionaire" Charged With Brutalizing Woman. Dog the Bounty Hunter Stepdaughter Charged. Aired 8-9:00p ET
Aired September 23, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live. A second millionaire on the hit TV show, seen here on BravoTV.com "Millionaire Matchmaker," in
less than just two months charged with brutalizing a woman. Bombshell tonight. The latest was so bad, the guy`s arrested for attempted murder.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A participant on the television program "Millionaire Matchmaker" is reportedly facing charges that he brutalized a
woman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wasn`t ready to settle down. I went out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So did you cheat on her? Oh! That was a yes.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a womanizer. I don`t promise them anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video BravoTV.com.
And live, "Dog the Bounty Hunter," who has devoted his life to fighting crime -- in the last hours, his stepdaughter busted for a bank
robbery heist.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dwayne Chapman and his wife, Beth, are seen by millions on TV catching criminals.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the ground, speed freak!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dwayne the Dog Chapman`s stepdaughter. A video showing a woman robbing a bank in Hawaii was released by Crimestoppers.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That was "Dog the Bounty Hunter" from A&E.
And tonight a working mom finds a dream baby-sitter for her nine- month-old baby boy, but never underestimate a mother`s intuition. Mommy knows something`s wrong, and Mommy`s right. Horrific, sickening video
caught on a hidden camera catches the so-called perfect nanny viciously abusing the little baby.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shocking video, a nanny is caught on tape violently slapping, shaking and pinching a 9-month-old baby. When it seems
like the baby has fallen asleep, she slaps him again, viciously bouncing his chair and covering his face with a blanket.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Orlando. After walking free on charges she kills her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, so Mommy could lead a swinging singles
lifestyle, as we go to air, tot mom, Casey Anthony, scores another courtroom victory.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: I need to be looked at as a victim because I`m just as much of a victim -- OK. I`m just as much of a
victim as the rest of you. And it hasn`t been portrayed that way, and it probably won`t be, but -- I know that, and at least there are other people
that know that and understand that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Now a second millionaire on the hit TV show "Millionaire Matchmaker" in less than just two months is charged with
brutalizing another woman. And the latest so bad, the guy is arrested for attempted murder. Take a look at the show.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did you lose your virginity?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I was 16, I -- I guess I was at a party, and someone finally let me...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t even remember her name? Every girl remembers who they lost her virginity to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, that`s telling me something. You don`t listen. Frat boys never listen to what the girls say, ever. It goes right
over them, and you`re just staring at their body, and you know, can`t wait to hit it. That`s all you care about.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve got to grow up a little.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m with you on that. I`m with you on that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. You understand?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from BravoTV.com that you`re seeing right there -- right there.
Michael Christian, this is now the second "Millionaire Matchmaker" contestant that is being charged with brutalizing a woman. It`s not
exactly the kind of match you want to make.
Let me understand exactly what happened with the guy we`re showing right now. It`s Bonavia. What exactly do police say happened? I
understand that when they got there, the woman was so drenched in blood, they actually first thought of attempted murder charges. What exactly
happened? Give me the play by play.
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): That is right, Nancy. As Alan (ph) said, they went there because a neighbor called
after hearing a fight. According to Beverly Hills Police, officers encountered an uncooperative male -- who was later described as -- or
identified as the defendant -- at the door. They believed there was a female in distress inside the location, so they literally kicked in the
front door, and they found a woman with quote, "significant facial and upper body injuries."
GRACE: Well, how is it all brought to light? How did police know to go to his home? Speaking of his home, let`s see a shot of that.
CHRISTIAN: A neighbor called 911 -- a neighbor called 911, hearing what he or she thought was a fight.
GRACE: So they heard a fight. The neighbors heard it, it was so loud.
So let me understand this. Chris Spargo, reporter, Dailymail.com -- how do guys -- OK, this is the former home. How do guys like this end up
on "Millionaire Matchmaker"?
[20:05:03]CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): It seemed like this is the kind of show that attracts these kind of guys, though. This is
the kind of guy who brags about himself. As you saw, he was calling himself a womanizer. And this isn`t even the first time this has happened
between this man and another woman.
GRACE: You`re seeing BravoTV.com.
What do you mean it`s not the first time?
SPARGO: So back in may of 2014, his girlfriend called police because he was punching and choking her, at one point strangling her from behind
and screaming, I`m going to kill you, for which he was still on probation at the time this occurred.
GRACE: Hitting and yelling, I`m going to kill you.
OK, Michael Christian, let me understand something else about this show, "Millionaire Matchmaker." It`s not Patti Stanger`s Millionaire Club,
where you pay up to, like, $100,000 to meet your soulmate. That`s a lot of money. I think we can all agree on that.
Again, you`re seeing BravoTV.com.
So her matchmaking business is the Millionaires Club, where people, again, pay up to $100,000 to meet their match. This show is really not
that at all. It`s basically a casting call for, Do you want to be on a reality show, and oh, by the way, do you want to meet your match?
CHRISTIAN: That`s right, Nancy. Once again, a reality show is maybe not quite as real as they`d like people to think it is. As you say, from
sources we`ve spoken to, the people who end up on this show are cast by Los Angeles casting agents.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots here. Take a listen to "Millionaire Matchmaker."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to know the most significant relationship and what happened.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I was in Washington, D.C., and I started dating this girl, and we fell in love.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. And so what happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wasn`t ready to settle down. I went out...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So did you cheat on her? Oh! That was a yes. OK! Now let`s get down to the nitty-gritty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no problem admitting I was immature and that I learned a lot from my experiences.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s under the hood of your car? What are your hobbies and interests?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love to, you know, enjoy time with my buddies.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Saturday, what are you doing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll go to nice dinners and then we go to the clubs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s not a hobby!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or we go to nice dinners and go to house parties.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to hear, do you hit the gym, do you hike?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Saturday (INAUDIBLE) working out with my buddies. I go to the gym, and then also, I watch a lot of movies.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from BravoTV.com.
For those of you just joining us, now in the space of just two months, just two months, two contestants on "Millionaire Matchmaker" have been
charged with brutalizing a woman.
What can you tell me about the other charges, Michael Christian?
CHRISTIAN: Nancy, the other defendant is a man named Michael Bernback. He`s 62 years old. He`s been charged with actually some more
serious things. According to police -- and he was arrested for this in August -- on three separate occasions, he sexually molested women in their
20s at his home.
He`s got a slew of charges, sexual penetration by a foreign object, attempted sodomy by use of force, forcible rape, forcible oral copulation,
administering drugs, rape by use of drugs, rape of unconscious person and possessing a controlled substance, three different ones. And one of the
controlled substances is GHB, which as you know, is often known as a date rape drug.
GRACE: OK, hold on -- Charged with sex with an unconscious person and possession of gamma hydroxy buterate, the date rape drug, this guy. And he
had also been on "Millionaire Matchmaker"?
CHRISTIAN: That`s correct. He had been on in 2011.
GRACE: OK. Whoa! OK. So another matchmaker contestant.
Take a listen to him.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Leslie (ph) Bernback. People call me Michael Leslie. I am 58 years old. My net worth is well north of $7
million.
I`m just going any which way I want to go. It`s been a long run of successes. I`ve had no failures. I fell into managing a club that had
nothing to do with dancing at the time, but was Chippendales and created one of the founders of Chippendales, and for the next 20 years, traveled
the world until finally headlining in Las Vegas.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That also from BravoTV.com.
You know, Alan Duke, editor-in-chief of Leadstories.com, the people that end up on "Millionaire Matchmaker" -- who are they?
ALAN DUKE, LEADSTORIES.COM: You can go to these bars and you watch people. They`re not rich. They`re fake. These women -- there are tons of
them that come to Los Angeles, looking to make it, and they find out it`s so tough. They try to latch onto a man who`s got a little bit of money,
they think, and they become very disappointed, as apparently, some women have with these gentlemen.
[20:10:03]And it`s -- the city is just full of them. You really got to be careful if your daughters are going out there.
GRACE: I`m not really talking about the women...
DUKE: Oh.
GRACE: ... because they`re the victims in this scenario, Alan Duke.
DUKE: Right. Exactly. But the predators are...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I mean, how do these guys get on a reality show...
DUKE: They`re cast.
GRACE: ... much less a dating show?
DUKE: They`re cast in it. They do audition tapes. I mean, you`ve seen the audition tape that some of these guys have done. They`re just
putting on a show. It`s -- I mean, my God, they could run for president with some of the acts that these guys put on. But they are not necessarily
-- I mean, a million dollars? That`s not a lot of money in Los Angeles anymore.
GRACE: OK, you know, I don`t know what universe you`re living in...
DUKE: Los Angeles.
GRACE: ... but a million dollars is still a lot of money. Hey, Alan, you just mentioned that these people do audition tapes, and I`m wondering,
do they get vetted? And again, this is not Stanger`s matchmaking club. The way I understand it, she`s kind of like a front person for the show
because she`s got this matchmaking industry she`s got, but these are not her clients. Am I right about the that?
DUKE: Exactly. And do they get vetted? I know some shows do criminal background check. I mean, you`ve seen some people on "American
Idol," that kind of thing, get kicked off when things were found after they were on the show.
But yes, the shows should vet these people, and they don`t always do that. I`m not sure if this show does. Apparently not.
GRACE: Well, maybe they do. Another thing to remember -- unleash the lawyers, Patrick McDonough and Jacoby Hudson. Let`s go to you, McDonough,
first. The reality is, is that when you`re accused of something, that`s not going to turn up on your rap sheet. So if Bravo or E or whoever does a
background check, they`re not going to see it unless there has been an arrest, right?
PATRICK MCDONOUGH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s correct. There`s got to be an arrest. If there`s an arrest, unless that`s been expunged or
restricted...
GRACE: Right.
MCDONOUGH: ... that would show up on your record. But yes, I mean, people can do all kinds of bad things.
GRACE: Exactly.
MCDONOUGH: Unless there`s an official record, they`re not going to know.
GRACE: OK, I want to go back to what Duke just said about an audition tape. Look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t call me a player because players lie, and they go out and they say, Look, it`s just me and you, babe, and I`m not
dating any other girls.
I`m a womanizer. I`m out with women. We`re having good times. I don`t promise them anything. They know what it is. I don`t say, Hey,
look, it`s me and you together forever. I`m having a good time. They`re having a good time.
We`re human beings. We`re animals. We have sex and call it a day. There`s been some times when girls say things, I`m thinking to myself,
like, Good God, don`t you have a father or a mother? Like, what a whore!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: OK. That was an audition tape for one of the guys now charged with brutalizing women, of "Millionaire Matchmaker."
Out to James Sprader, the president of JSR Vetting Service. James, how did this happen?
JAMES SPRADER, JSR VETTING SERVICES (via telephone): Well, Nancy, I can`t tell you how it happened. Obviously, it takes some initiative of
some firm or person to do a background check on somebody. JSR`s vetting process includes checking for federal civil and criminal records and state
and criminal records, and that is going to find out, you know, what is there. I don`t know the circumstances of Mr. Bonavia prior to his showing.
GRACE: To Laura Ries joining us, brand strategist. Weigh in, Laura.
LAURA RIES, BRAND STRATEGIST: Well, sure, I mean, first of all, is this harmful for Bravo? I don`t think so. First of all, this show has run
the course and it`s no longer on the network. So they`re not really worried.
The best thing for Bravo is another hit show, and they`ve got "The Real Housewives." It`s also a channel that`s dedicated to reality shows.
It`s not like this is the "NBC Nightly News," and you know, Brian Williams getting in trouble. That`s huge news.
But for this, it`s par for the course from what we`ve seen with reality shows. Many of them have gotten into trouble and done awful
things.
The real worry is for the Patti Stanger brand. I mean, she`s (INAUDIBLE) a woman who knows everything about matchmaking, yet she`s
finding these horrible guys. They`re not really millionaires, and some of them are attacking and accused of potentially murder -- almost murdering
someone, really terrible for her personal brand and her future.
GRACE: Well, yes, I hear what you`re saying, but again, I think that she`s just a front person for this show.
RIES: (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: These are not her clients at all for her Millionaire Club.
Everybody, you`re seeing BravoTV.com right now.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:18:40]GRACE: Dog the Bounty Hunter, who has devoted his life to fighting crime -- in the last hours, his stepdaughter busted for a bank
robbery heist.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dwayne Chapman and his wife Beth are seen by millions on TV.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to get aggressive (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You give her up, that`s it!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s Dog!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That suspect is the famous bounty hunter`s stepdaughter. A woman was captured on video walking into a bank in
Honolulu, Hawaii. The woman, wearing a dark jacket and cap, goes up to the teller and hands over a note demanding cash.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s "Dog the Bounty Hunter" from A&E. And you know -- there he is in all of his glory. He`s devoted his whole -- let`s see that
in full. This guy has devoted his whole life to fighting crime. His whole family is involved in fighting crime. He`s a reality TV star. He goes all
over the country tracking down the bad guys.
Now, a lot of people don`t like him. You either love him or you hate him. But this I know. He`s caught a lot of bad guys and put them behind
bars.
It`s "Dog the Bounty Hunter" off A&E. Now his stepdaughter apparently caught on video in a bank robbery heist.
[20:20:05]You know, before I go to Chloe Melas from Hollywoodlife.com, unleash the lawyers, Patrick McDonough and Jacoby Hudson. I had a bank
robbery that I had to prove to a jury similar to what I`m looking at right now -- hat, sunglasses. I myself could not identify the perp from those
pictures.
I mean, could you make an ID out of that, Jacoby? You saw it. Could you ID her from that?
JACOBY HUDSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, you can. You see her based on putting the mug shot next to the photo with her with the glasses. But the
issue going to come about is...
GRACE: I want to see her, please.
HUDSON: ... where`s her weapon? Where`s her weapon? She didn`t use a weapon. And from the mugshot...
GRACE: I`m talking about right now the ID.
HUDSON: Well, right there...
GRACE: I can`t even see an ID.
HUDSON: ... you cannot identify her, not right there.
GRACE: No, see, even right here, I see what you`re saying, Jacoby Hudson. I can see the lips down (ph) looks like her. And I`m not saying
she didn`t do it. That is not what I`m saying. But what I am saying, I can`t make her out based on that.
But Chloe Melas, senior reporter, Hollywoodlife.com -- Chloe, Dog is flummoxed. He is in -- I mean, when your family devotes their whole life
to fighting crime and then your stepdaughter jumps up and robs a bank, allegedly?
CHLOE MELAS, HOLLYWOODLIFE.COM: Isn`t it ironic? I know, Nancy. Well, immediately, when this news broke, he released a statement with his
now fourth wife, Beth, who is not the mother of Nicole, and said, Whoa, whoa, whoa. We haven`t talked to her in 10 years.
I don`t -- this is not the Nicole I once knew, who I went to church with. We`re shocked. We`re in disbelief. And we saw her on Crimestoppers
like everybody else. We had no idea that she had a criminal history now.
GRACE: That`s "Dog the Bounty Hunter" off A&E. Now we learn his stepdaughter busted on a bank robbery heist.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:25:03]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dwayne Chapman and his wife, Beth, are seen by millions on TV catching criminals.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the ground, speed freak!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dwayne the Dog Chapman`s stepdaughter. A video showing a woman robbing a bank in Hawaii was released by Crimestoppers.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s "Dog the Bounty Hunter" from A&E in all of his glory, and this guy, his whole family fighting crime, finds out his stepdaughter
has allegedly robbed a bank.
To Justin Freiman, how did the bank robbery go down? What do we know?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, we know she walks into the bank, as you see on the video, with a purse and a
baseball cap and glasses. And then she goes up to the teller. She hands them a note, and then she escapes on foot.
GRACE: Escapes on foot? How do you escape on foot when patrol cars are out and about? How do you get away walking?
FREIMAN: Apparently, that`s what police are saying, that she actually just walked right out of the bank.
GRACE: OK, Dr. Tiffany Sanders with me, psychologist out of Chicago. You know, Dr. Tiffany, I can`t help but wonder if somewhere deep down maybe
she resents Dog`s success and his show. And he seems to be Teflon. He can do anything, he can say anything, and he keeps being famous. He keeps
having a show.
And my question is to you, do you think that -- oh, here`s Dog and Beth on the hunt from CMT (ph). Do you think that somewhere in there
either resentment or anger or jealousy has made her do this? Because you know it`s going to come back on Dog.
TIFFANY SANDERS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. And the news were reporting that the young lady is homeless. So her basic Maslow (ph) needs
aren`t being met of shelter, food, water. And here`s her stepfather, who was once in love and married to her mother, who is out living a new life.
He`s traveling all across the country.
So it can produce bitterness, resentment, anger, and she has to resort, in her mind, to stealing. So when she looks at her stepdad, she
says, Well, yes, we might have gone to church, but do you even love me that you`re leaving me out here homeless? So the bounty hunter has to even look
at himself and say, did he really do his best to take care of his family?
GRACE: Well, hold on just a moment...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Hold on just a moment. Providing someone with a life, with an education, with a home -- this woman is 35 years old, Nicole "Nickie"
Gillespie. And at some point, you were saying Dog the Bounty Hunter -- at some point -- let me go to Laura Ries, brand strategist. At some point,
when do you cut the apron strings? Why is it her stepfather`s fault that she`s been thrown out of her apartment, or whatever happened in that
situation? Why is that Dog`s fault? Where does she get a leg to stand on that somehow, he`s responsible for this?
RIES: It`s not his fault at all. But guess what? He`s famous. And because he`s famous, we`re covering this story. If she was just -- had a
normal stepdad nobody knew of, this never would have made the news. This is the worst bank robbery ever, getting away on foot with a terrible
disguise!
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[20:33:30]
GRACE: A working mom finds the dream babysitter for her nine-month- old baby boy, but never underestimate a mother`s intuition. Mommy knows there is something horribly wrong, is mommy is right. Horrific, sickening,
video caught on a hidden camera, catches the so-called perfect nanny viciously abusing the little baby.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A nanny is caught on tape violently slapping, shaking and pinching a nine-month-old baby. When it seems like the baby
has fallen asleep, she slaps him again, viciously bouncing his chair and covering his face with a blanket.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Candace Trunzo, senior news editor, Dailymail.com, if you look at the entire -- uh-oh -- this is what`s happening when the baby won`t go
to sleep. She`s hitting it on its head, and then she is -- she`ll actually put a blanket and a pillow over its mouth -- ow! This is a nine-month-old
baby. And Candace, she looks like she`s just about to fall asleep, and then she looks like she`s bored and she starts beating the child again in
the face.
TRUNZO: This is one of the most disgusting things I`ve ever seen, Nancy. I have to tell you, this is the nanny from hell. The baby is
crying. She clearly, I can`t tell if she wants to watch TV or not. But she`s disgusting. She`s lying on the sofa, her bare feet are up, and she`s
abusing this baby like I`ve never seen, pinching, shaking, slapping this poor nine-month-old baby boy. Unbelievable.
[20:35:00]
GRACE: You know, Stacy -- you know, the way I saw her shaking him later in the video, it made me worried about shaken baby syndrome. She
shakes the baby so badly and actually pinches the little baby when he won`t go to sleep. You`re seeing video from liveleak.com. It seems at a certain
point, Stacy Newman, that she just gets bored watching TV and decides to beat the baby.
NEWMAN: Yes, what`s shocking about this video is there are parts where the baby boy isn`t even crying. If that`s what was upsetting her,
why was she still shaking this baby when the baby was quiet? It looks like she`s bored, she wants to watch her soaps on TV, and just starts abusing
this little baby.
GRACE: Every time -- ooh. Every time you see her swat at that, she`s hitting the baby in the face. Later you hear her screaming at the baby.
To Dr. Michelle Dupre, forensic pathologist joining us out of Columbia, the shaking of the baby had me really worried about its neck and head. I had a
lot of shaken baby syndrome cases, and it doesn`t take much to permanently damage a baby by shaking it.
DUPRE: That`s right, Nancy, you get coup and countercoup injuries in the brain, and those can be significant. They can be deadly. This is
horrific.
GRACE: I want to go to Ashley Willcott, certified child welfare law specialist. Ashley, thank you for being with us. Weigh in.
ASHLEY WILLCOTT, CERTIFIED CHILD WELFARE LAW SPECIALIST: Thank you, Nancy. It`s horrific. I wanted to throw up when I watched the video, to
be quite honest. It`s very clear evidence of emotional and physical abuse of this 10-month-old. And I think the thing I want to say, though, is good
for the parents for videotaping. Once they felt like we`ve got some unexplained bruises, we don`t know what happened, good for them for putting
up a camera to see what was really going on, because she was abusing their baby.
GRACE: Hey, I`m all about video cameras, Ashley, I mean, it`s no secret. My place is tricked out like crazy. I watch myself on the nanny
cam. So, Ashley, the way this all unfolded was that they had found what they thought was the perfect nanny, they had her for five months, and then
mysterious bruises began appearing on the baby.
WILLCOTT: That`s right, Nancy. That`s my understanding, and I got to tell you, when you hire a babysitter, you know, do everything you can to do
due diligence. Make sure that you get references, ask your friends that you trust who they used, and if you ever have the feeling -- you said
earlier parent intuition -- a mother`s intuition is always right. I firmly believe that. If you have any intuition or feeling that anything is amiss,
do not leave that child, that babysitter alone with your child.
GRACE: Candace Trunzo, what I thought was so telling, was the lawyer, this woman`s lawyer was quoted, and he didn`t say, this didn`t happen. All
he would do is say, I`m not going to address this substantively, I will address procedurally that this videotape was illegal. I mean, that`s his
defense? I`m not supposed to believe my lying eyes here?
TRUNZO: Right, and at the same time, Nancy, she denied that the incident ever happened, that the video was never taken. You can`t have it
both ways. Either it was taken or it was taken illegally, but you can`t have it both ways. And you know, it seems to me that they don`t have much
of a case here. Not being a lawyer, of course, but I mean, seriously, what you see is what you got, and it was horrific.
GRACE: Stacy Newman, the pinching, the slapping of this baby, what exactly are the charges?
NEWMAN: She`s facing child endangerment charges, and she`s behind bars for about 30 days, but she can face up to 10 years. And Nancy, think
about it. If this is what we`re seeing on video, imagine what she was doing to this baby before the parents installed the secret camera.
GRACE: To Dr. Michelle Dupre, the baby was covered in bruises, and that`s when the mom decided to put in this secret camera. You can get them
for like $50 and install them in a book, in a clock, in a teddy bear, you can watch them from your cell phones. It`s not hard to do, and that`s what
this mom did. How much would it take when I saw her shaking the baby`s head back and forth, everybody, you`re seeing Liveleak video. When you
said coup and countercoup, it simply means when the baby`s head goes forward, the brain, hits the front then the back or side to side. The
brain hits the inside of the baby`s skull, right?
DUPRE: That`s right, Nancy. It doesn`t take much force, and a small child like this, not much force at all.
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Again, this can be deadly. It`s a serious, serious offense.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Patrick McDonough, give me your best defense.
MCDONOUGH: It`s hard to watch, but I think the person`s lawyer is on the right track. The bottom line is, if you watch that, that`s trouble.
But if that doesn`t come into evidence, the state doesn`t have a case. In multiple jurisdictions, if you don`t have consent from someone and you
videotape them, it can be considered illegal evidence gathering and that can be suppressed. So that is by far their best tactic.
GRACE: All you have to do is lay the foundation. At every ATM, when you go into the Walmart or the Target, you`re being videoed. You don`t
consent to that. No, that is not true. That is not true.
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MCDONOUGH: What you`re saying is true. If it`s public, you`re right, just like our bank robber in the earlier thing, that`s totally correct.
But if you`re in a private home and someone does not give you consent, there are multiple jurisdictions that will consider that illegally taped
evidence.
GRACE: No. That`s not the law. If you`re in your own private home, your home, you have a reasonable right to an expectation of privacy, but
when you go in somebody else`s home, you don`t know what cameras they`ve got tricked out. You could be videoed all over their home, and you don`t
know anything about it, and that is not a grounds for a lawsuit, Jacoby. Are you jumping on that bandwagon, Jacoby?
HUDSON: No, I`m not.
GRACE: Wise.
HUDSON: I`ll tell you what I`m going to do, if I`m her attorney, I`m going to ask her for a psychiatric evaluation.
GRACE: Here we go. She`s crazy, right?
HUDSON: Something may be wrong with her.
GRACE: Yes, she`s mean, she`s evil.
HUDSON: Yes, but at the same time, too, also I get it that you have got a reasonable expectation of privacy. So I don`t know how strong it is
to get that video out, but what you want to do is make her sympathetic. If she`s abusing a nine-month-old child, then apparently something is wrong.
GRACE: Good luck getting sympathy for this nanny from hell. And Patrick McDonough, I don`t hold it against you that you`re trying to claim
there is something wrong with this video, but we all three of us know there is nothing wrong with the video, it`s not illegal and it`s not going to get
suppressed.
MCDONOUGH: That`s not true, it all depends--
GRACE: Name me one case.
MCDONOUGH: Let me just tell you for the state we`re in, in Georgia jurisdiction. Years, just a few years ago, we said that this was
admissible. The Supreme Court narrowed it if you`re in your own home, and said it were inadmissible, and then the legislature changed it. So it all
depends on the jurisdiction you`re in. And I`m telling you, in someone`s private home, it is not the same as being at an ATM.
GRACE: It is admissible, and it`s amazing to me that you two are getting hung up on technicalities of whether the tape is going to get in,
instead of addressing the fact that this woman is beating the baby.
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GRACE: Live, Orlando. After walking free on charges she killed her two-year-old little girl Caylee so mommy could lead a swinging singles
lifestyle, as we go to air tonight, tot mom Casey Anthony scores another courtroom victory.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Marie Anthony, not guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was at the beach with the nanny.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is just more blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said Zanny had gotten a new puppy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Come on. I`m not in control over any of this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Let me understand what happened, Michael Christian. Way back when, when tot mom Casey Anthony was charged in the murder of her child
Caylee, remember all those days nobody knew what had happened to Caylee? Was she kidnapped, was she stolen? She blamed it on a babysitter Zanny the
nanny and gave her full name as Zenaida Gonzalez. Well, guess what? She got that name off an apartment complex registry. She had been at Sawgrass
apartments -- there`s Zenaida Gonzalez right there. She saw the registry and saw where Zenaida signed in to go look at an apartment, and stole the
name. That`s what happened. And then she blamed this unknown person. There`s tot mom partying down while her daughter is lying dead in a field.
And she took that name, used it, the name became world famous. And Zenaida Gonzales says she couldn`t even get a job. Do I have the crux of her
complaint?
CHRISTIAN: That is right, Nancy, she said she was defamed, she said her reputation was ruined, she said her name was smeared, and that
Anthony`s story actually placed her at risk.
GRACE: OK. Take a look. Listen to tot mom.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was in Lake County two days ago.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there anything there? --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom, I`m sorry, I love you guys. I miss you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, sweetheart, here is dad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am going to just walk away right now, because -- I`m frustrated and I`m angry and I don`t want to be angry. This is the
first time I have truly, truly been angry this entire time. But I`m so beyond frustrated with all of this. I can`t even swallow right now. It
hurts.
Can someone let me -- come on!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey, hold on. Sweetheart, settle down.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody is letting me speak. You want me to talk, give me three seconds to say something.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Now, don`t be fooled. Tot mom Casey Anthony knew she was being videoed in that, what you just saw, that jail house visit from her
mom and dad. And that is the way she talked, knowing she was on video.
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And what Zenaida Gonzales is saying, by dragging me into this, using my name, you have defamed me, I can`t even get a job. If she would do that on
camera, what would she say about Zenaida Gonzalez not on camera? So the crux of the claim, what happened, Michael?
CHRISTIAN: Well, a bankruptcy judge ruled against it and basically dismissed it. He did it on two prongs, first he said, that no, Zenaida
Gonzales was not defamed, that there was no malice in Casey Anthony`s story, and you could not necessarily match the Zenaida that she was talking
about with the real Zenaida Gonzalez. But he also said that even if it went forward, and there was a finding for Zenaida Gonzalez, Casey Anthony
is in bankruptcy, she has no money, so there is no reason for it to even go forward, because it could never be paid.
GRACE: Okay, Michael, that doesn`t make sense to me. No. 1, everyone, the whole world saw this Zenaida Gonzalez. We know who she is,
we know who tot mom Casey Anthony`s talking about. But to throw out a claim, a defamation claim because the person declared bankruptcy? What if
she ultimately does do that porn film on Vivid net or whatever that is, and gets a million dollars? So what if her circumstances change, Michael?
CHRISTIAN: I can`t answer that question, Nancy, I am not a bankruptcy judge, but he is, and he threw it out.
GRACE: Well, you know what? You`re probably blessed, in that, imagine having to deal with this hot mess. Take a listen to tot mom, Casey
Anthony.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She could be out of the country or anywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom, I don`t -- going to the same thing, so please stop it. This is why -- this is one of the main reasons that I
chose dad. Because he won`t sit there and keep asking me the same questions 500 times over like you and Lee have done.
I don`t know whether to look directly at myself or to look up or at -- oh, man, I don`t know. Just a little surreal in how much things have
changed since July. And how many things haven`t changed. But the good thing is, that things are starting to look up and things are starting to
change in a good way. So that is what they say -- things are good and that they only get better.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: Right now we are going to breaking news. This young mom is missing out of Montgomery County, Texas. Justin Freiman, what can you tell
me about Danielle Sleeper?
FREIMAN: Nancy, this is a mom of three young boys, who just disappeared. Her husband said he came home, she was not there, her purse
was gone as well as her phone.
GRACE: Purse and phone missing. Full scale search by Montgomery County authorities and family members with the help of Texas Equusearch,
have turned up nothing. You`re seeing shots right now of Danielle Sleeper and her three children. Let me understand, so what does the husband say
exactly, Justin?
FREIMAN: He says when he left the home in the morning, she was there and sleeping. And when he returned, she was gone, as well as her purse and
her phone but not her vehicle.
GRACE: Vehicle is still there. That doesn`t make sense to me. There is a $21,000 cash tax-free reward. 1-800-392-stop. Look at Danielle
Sleeper. Family members have even searched through remote fields. They have gone through empty buildings, private property. Landowners allowing
them to come search streets, searched hours of store surveillance video when someone thought they saw her in a store. It was not her.
You`re seeing shots of Danielle Sleeper. She disappeared from her Magnolia home there in Montgomery County. And now the reward has been
upgraded to $21,000 for anyone that can help us find Danielle Sleeper. You`re seeing the tip line. The 1-800 number. Can you throw that up again
for everybody? 392-stop.
Let`s remember American hero, Florida Deputy Sheriff Bill Myers, killed in the line of duty. Served Okalusa (ph) County sheriff`s office
for 26 years. Then returned for part-time duty after retiring. So he could make extra money to take his granddaughter to Disney. Loved
photography, widow Jan, sons, Sean, Eric and Adam. Bill Myers, American hero.
And tonight, we remember a beautiful lady, Edith Lamm, the mother of our friend, Jason Lamm. She passed away on Yom Kippur. A photo of Edith
with husband, Walter, Jason and his wife, Carey. Edith Lamm, beautiful lady. Good night, friend.
Thanks to all our guests, but especially to you for being with us. I`m Nancy Grace, signing off for the night. I`ll see you tomorrow night.
8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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