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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news now. TV and movie star Ali Landry, star of "Clueless," "Felicity," "Eve," "Criminal Minds," "Sunset Beach" --

her family kidnapped, ransomed and slaughtered at a beach resort in Mexico.

Bombshell now. As we go to air, stunning new development.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She catapulted to stardom after her appearance in this Super Bowl ad. A gruesome discovery after authorities say they found

the bodies of Monteverde`s kidnapped father and brother suffers severe head trauma and appear to have been dead for several days before they were

found.

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GRACE: That video from YouTube.

And live, Seattle, the deadly Duck Boat horror crash. Police -- five dead so far, dozens critically injured. Now focus on an axle repair that

was ignored? It may have cost the lives of five students, maybe more.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were four vehicles involved in the crash, the tour bus, the Duck Boat and two passenger vehicles.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bodies, sirens, screaming, a lot of people yelling, Call 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many of the bus passengers climbed out the right side windows. But others weren`t so lucky.

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GRACE: And live, a hit TV reality star of TLC`s "My Giant Life" begs a judge for protection, claiming she`s deathly afraid her manager wants to

kill her, claims he even jokes about, quote, "putting her down."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am 27 years old and I am 6-foot-9.

You will rocket up and you`ll get muscles and you will be ready to take on the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s from "My Giant Life" from TLC.

And live, Walton (ph), Kentucky. Warning, graphic photos, 26-year-old Marilyn Stanley (ph) at this moment enduring multiple surgeries after she`s

literally scalped. Reports her ex orders his pitbull to attack, then does so himself, leaving the blond beauty barely alive, ripping over 80 percent

of her scalp off her head!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody should have to go through that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This mother can`t fathom the brutal abuse her daughter suffered. Seventy percent of her daughter`s scalp was ripped off

in a violent attack.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Hello. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell now. TV and movie star Ali Landry, star of "Clueless," "Felicity," "Eve," "Criminal Minds," "Sunset Beach" -- her family

kidnapped, ransomed and slaughtered at a beach resort in Mexico. As we go to air right now, stunning new developments, including motive for murder.

Straight out to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter with Radaronline.com. Alexis, this is what we are learning. At first, we

believed that her family may have been targeted because, obviously, their connections to an American TV star.

You`re seeing video from Miss USA and YouTube right now.

And so what does that mean? Money, that they were targeted, because of their connection to TV star Ali Landry, and that we learned first that

there was a ransom, a very high ransom. At first, we thought the ransom was paid halfway. And they wanted -- the family wanted proof of life.

When they didn`t get it, her family is slaughtered.

By the way, you`re seeing Ali Landry`s famous Doritos commercial from YouTube that really launched her career.

But we`re learning something different about the ransom now. What do we know, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, what we`ve learned is that the family was at the -- it`s based on where the father and brother work.

They own a restaurant, and there had been a lot of suspicious activity around this restaurant. So there have been reports that perhaps there was

something to do with drugs.

GRACE: Well, what we are being told -- out to Candace Trunzo, senior news editor, Dailymail.com -- is that once the kidnappers realized the

connection to an American TV star, they gave a very high ransom. And that ransom was paid in full...

CANDACE TRUNZO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Exactly.

GRACE: ... Candace, paid in full. But then when the ransom was paid in full and these kidnappers would not hand over the family members, they

then upped the ante. They wanted more ransom, Candace.

TRUNZO: Exactly. Exactly, Nancy. You know, greed is a big part of this, and they see a very famous director -- Ali Landry`s husband is

Alejandro Monteverde, a very, very famous director. They live a lovely life in Los Angeles.

[20:05:07]And whoever killed his father and brother knew that there was money involved. And there was greed. A ransom was paid. That wasn`t

enough. And after proof of life was demanded, wasn`t given, they wanted more money. And then the tragedy occurred.

GRACE: You`re seeing the TV show "Eve" from UPN network that she stars in.

Everybody, we realize now that Landry had to go to Mexico. Joining me right now, Jorge Septien, and he`s international security, kidnapping

expert, CEO of MSPV. Thank you so much for being with us, Mr. Septien.

Question to you. This ransom -- how are they typically made? How is the family notified? We`ve got your family, and we want $500,000. Is it

by phone?

JORGE SEPTIEN, INTERNATIONAL SECURITY & KIDNAPPING EXPERT (via telephone): Yes. Good afternoon to everybody. (INAUDIBLE) here I`m in

San Diego, California.

But I can tell you, yes. Usually, Mexico, the kidnappers call by phone, most of the time using mobile phones.

GRACE: You know, using a cell phone -- is it true, Mr. Septien, that if a phone call goes over 30 seconds, that it can then be traced to a

specific location? Is that true?

SEPTIEN: Well, by the way using the new technology that is digital, every time that you push the green button, you are connected. And the

computers -- the tracking computers can just track where the phone call is just coming from.

Unfortunately, if you are for a 30-second period, you may only have the data -- I mean, information in order to have the investigation process

going after that call has been placed.

GRACE: You know, Stacey Newman, what I`m trying to figure out here -- the ransom was most likely made by cell phone. Another issue is, they`ve

got the car, right, Stacey? Don`t they have the car they believe the kidnappers used?

STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: They have the car they believe the kidnappers used. But what`s important here is the license plate on

that car comes from the same town, which is Tampico (ph), that area where they originally left their house, Ali Landry`s father-in-law, brother-in-

law, to head to their ranch. So that car came from that area.

So those kidnappers could have been tracking that family to their home town when they were kidnapped, Nancy, and eventually murdered.

GRACE: You`re seeing the movie "Repli-Kate" from Silver Nitrate (ph) Productions. Ali Landry shoots to fame after a Dorito commercial launches

her career, of course, after she is the beauty pageant winner.

But now we are learning she has had to travel to Mexico, her family kidnapped, ransomed and found murdered in Mexico.

You know, Candace Trunzo, another thing I don`t understand -- they`ve got the car the kidnappers used. Why no arrest?

TRUNZO: You know, they`re -- right now, they`re investigating. They`re looking to see if there are any clues in the car, any fingerprints

in the car, anything that they can get.

I mean, this is a very, very active investigation right now. They`re looking for any clues that they can get, and that`s, you know -- now, this

is the Mexican government. We have to see exactly what they do and how quickly they can do it. I`m sure that Ali Landry and her husband want a

very, very quick arrest made in this case. They are beside themselves...

GRACE: Well, "quick" is over, Candace. I mean, no offense, Candace Trunzo, but "quick" is over because they have the family member for two

weeks after they made the initial ransom.

You`re seeing video -- earlier seeing video from Miss USA and YouTube.

Ali Landry`s family kidnapped, ransomed and murdered. So many questions about the car.

Joining me right now, Joseph Scott Morgan, certified death investigator, professor of forensics, joining us. Thank you so much for

being with us, Joe.

Question. Obviously, the family from America had to fly down and ID the bodies. But we also know that the bodies had been lying there dead in

the Mexican heat for a couple of weeks with severe head injuries. We`re learning from sources tonight they were shot in the head.

Why do you drag a family into the morgue to make an ID on a family member when they`ve been shot in the head and there`s no way you can see

the face?

JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for having me. Yes, the biggest problem with this is that from an American

perspective, this does not meet up with our standard. It doesn`t -- it doesn`t pass the test.

Ideally, what you want is to have a scientific identification. That is dental, fingerprint or DNA, in most cases. The problem is, is that if

individuals have sustained severe head trauma, which obviously these people have, and they have been dead for an extended period of time, it makes it

doubly difficult for a family member to visually ID. This is the lowest form of identification that you can possibly have.

[20:10:09]Then you compound it with the fact the family is traumatized going in. They`re not going to spend a lot of time looking at the body.

You can just imagine how horrible this is. So a quick glance is not always going to be sufficient.

This is problematic. That`s why in America, we try to get away from this methodology.

GRACE: Awful!

MORGAN: It escapes me why they would do this. I think that they could do DNA sampling.

GRACE: And to fly the family down from America to make an identification -- right after Ali Landry`s family kidnapped, ransomed and

murdered, the United States government issues a travel advisory. What do they say, Stacey?

NEWMAN: The State Department is warning Americans -- I mean, we love to go down to Mexico to beach resorts, all-inclusives. They`re saying, Be

careful and use caution in certain areas of Mexico because kidnappings are on the rise, as we`ve seen in this story here.

GRACE: Unconfirmed shots (ph) tonight. The motive was money. To Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. If they`ve got the

car, that`s where I`m stumped, Alexis, they should have the perps.

Number one, let`s just go through the list. First of all, they say they`re testing it. What does that mean in Mexico? Are they looking for

fingerprints on the steering wheel or on outside of the car? Are they looking to see, is there a serial, a VIN number on that car? Has it been

erased? Has the color of the car changed? What about the tag? Who was that registered to?

What about DNA? What about fiber? What about any identifying papers that were left in that car or in the trunk? Are they following all the

leads? Or is this just going to be another statistic of people getting slaughtered in Mexico and nothing becomes of the investigation?

This is "Me Again" with Ali Landry starring in Latigo (ph) Pictures.

What about it, Alexis?

TERESZCUK: Well, that`s the thing. Not only was this investigation stalled since they found the car, they were missing for 16 days before they

were found. This is over two weeks that the cops could have been investigating this.

But they do have the plate. The plate wasn`t switched. This wasn`t a stolen vehicle. So they know who the owner of the vehicle is. They could

go to the house. The Mexican authorities have not asked the American authorities to come down and help, either.

GRACE: You know, with me is an international security and kidnapping expert, the CEO of MSPV. This happens a lot in Mexico. Because it`s a

famous American TV star, suddenly, it`s getting focus. Suddenly, there`s a United States government travel advisory, Don`t go traveling to Mexico for

vacation.

But Mr. Septien, the reality is, as Alexis first pointed out, this was associated with drug cartels way back when, but now not that way anymore.

This is just a way for practically anybody to make money that wants money that runs in these circles. You see an American or someone connected to

American money, and suddenly, they`re a kidnapping target in Mexico. I think I...

SEPTIEN: Well, unfortunately -- unfortunately, it seems, I mean, these kind of cases are happening more often in Mexico. And this is based

on the drug cartels` focus on doing other kind of businesses, not only trafficking drugs, but since the drug cartels have been losing a lot of

their shipments because the army and Mexican government, they are just exploring new ways of doing new business.

GRACE: Right, like focusing on -- like focusing on Americans.

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[20:18:07]GRACE: Live to Seattle. The deadly Duck Boat horror crash leaves five dead so far, dozens critically injured. Tonight, focus on an

axle repair that was ignored, and it may have cost the lives of five students and maybe more.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Firefighters scrambled to get to the victims. Rescuers climbed into the destroyed charter bus and the Ride the Duck

vehicle to look for survivors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I got out of my, car and there were just bodies just everywhere, just people lying on the street that just got thrown from

the Duck Boat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than 50 people were rushed away in aid cars and ambulances.

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GRACE: Straight out to Charlie Land, the news director at KLAY. Charlie, thanks so much for being with us. I understand that a fifth

student passed away in the last 48 hours. What happened? Take it from the beginning. I don`t understand how a Duck Boat that thousands and thousands

of U.S. tourists -- I`ve been in them many, many times -- could -- the mechanism doesn`t work on the Duck Boat? I mean, what happened? How did

the crash occur?

CHARLIE LAND, KLAY RADIO (via telephone): Well, it is such a tragedy, not just in Seattle, but internationally, as the five dead were foreign

exchange students to North Seattle College that were in the charter bus. So the total is now five dead. Sixteen remain in the hospital. Up to 50

were hurt.

Now, it`s centering on some damage to the axle. Witnesses say they saw the boat`s left front tire lock up before it veered into the bus. Now,

the Ducks are an Army surplus craft built in 1945. They were refurbished with General Motor engines and chassis in 2005. Now, they did find damage

to the axle. They`re not sure if it was from the accident or if it happened before.

But the National Transportation Safety Board said yesterday that this Duck Boat did not have an axle repair that was recommended for some of the

amphibious crafts in 2013 that cited the potential for an axle failure.

[20:20:13]GRACE: Well, what`s so...

LAND: But they did meet standards last year and this year.

GRACE: You know, what`s so amazing -- Charlie Land joining me from KLAY -- with me right now, lawyer for victims in a similar Duck Boat

accident, Robert Mongeluzzi. Robert, thanks for being with us. It`s amazing to me, these craft, as they`re called because they`re part boat,

part vehicle have been around, were created in 1945, and people still file onto them. I did it with my children on more than one occasion in

different cities.

Let`s see. They`re in Boston. They`re in Austin. They`re in Seattle. They`re in Atlanta. They`re in cities all around the country.

Let`s put up that graphic. There you see the Duck Boat, one of the Duck Boats. It`s a car and it`s a craft, a boat craft. What`s so amazing,

Robert Mongeluzzi, is that we`ll all file onto them. They`re 70 years old.

ROBERT MONGELUZZI, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIMS IN SIMILAR CRASH (via telephone): They are. And one of the problems we have with them is

because they`re built on 1945 chassis, they`re grandfathered in, and they don`t have to meet federal motor vehicle safety standards, which allows

them to duck compliance with federal regulations.

GRACE: Uh-oh. Uh-oh! Unleash the lawyers. With me, Robert Mongeluzzi, who has handled this exact type of case before. Carissa Kranz

joining me out of New York, Kirby Clements, Atlanta, Robin Ficker out of Atlanta.

Let`s start with you, Ficker. So did you hear what Mongeluzzi just said, that because of the date of these craft, because they were created in

the world war, 1945, Mr. Ficker, they`ve managed to avoid a lot of the safety requirements of, for instance, 2015.

ROBIN FICKER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There should be strict liability. These are historical vehicles. I understand that they either had the

option to repair some of them, or monitor their repairs. But you`re taking your life in your hands when you go on these Duck Boats.

GRACE: Well, that`s exactly what I`m arguing. Kirby Clements, what`s your defense?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, several things. Number one, they`re not ducking any regulations. The regulations weren`t made to apply

to them. If they want them to apply, they ought to pass some legislation.

It appears to me this is a tragic accident, and the people who got on there assumed the risk based on the nature of the vehicle. So that`s the

defense to the liability. There`s nothing they did anything wrong.

GRACE: OK, Carissa Kranz, what`s your defense? Are you going to echo what Kirby Clements just said?

CARISSA KRANZ, FORMER PROSECUTOR: No way! They might be able to duck criminal liability, but not civil liability. And as long as everyone`s

using the coined term "duck" here, that`s just ridiculous because there`s civil negligence here, and that`s a totally different bird. And they

should have known to check their vehicles that are this old.

GRACE: Right.

KRANZ: And no wonder a crash like this would happen.

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[20:27:13]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bodies, sirens, screaming, a lot of people were yelling, Call 911. It felt like we lost control. And like, my

dad said, he said, Oh, no, and I looked up and saw the bus coming at us. And it was a really hard hit.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She is one of the ones that survived. In the last 48 hours, a fifth student has died after a deadly Duck Boat horror crash.

Joining me, Charlie Land, KLAY, Robert Mongeluzzi, lawyer for similar Duck Boat accidents. Robert, what do you make of this? Was this a ticking

time bomb waiting to go off? Now we`ve got five dead bodies.

MONGELUZZI: Yes. This is now the sixth death in six months. There are only 100 Duck Boats in the United States. That is a rate of fatality

that is a thousand times more dangerous than an ordinary car. They are dangerous on the land. They have drowned 15 people in the last 16 years.

They are dangerous on the land and in the water. And they should be banned.

GRACE: Did you say that there have been water accidents, as well?

MONGELUZZI: Two drowned in Philadelphia in 2010. Thirteen died in the Miss Majestic in Arkansas in 1999. So that`s 15 drownings in 16 years.

We have six deaths on the land in just six months.

These are dangerous. They should be banned. And you know what people say, Well, they`re good for tourism. Well, you don`t promote tourism by

killing tourists.

GRACE: You know, Robert -- everyone, with me, Robert Mongeluzzi, who`s handled cases just like this. Why were they created back in the

world war? What was the purpose of the Duck Boats, and how did we come in possession of them?

MONGELUZZI: Sure. They were created so we could invade other countries from the water and be able to drive onto their land. They were

used in the invasion in Normandy.

And someone got the idea to use them in tourism. And the problem with that is that they`re unwieldy. They`re difficult to drive. They have

blind spots. They ran over and crushed Liz Carnicki (ph) to death this May in Philadelphia. They`re tough to operate.

They are difficult to maintain, and it doesn`t surprise me that a 70- year-old chassis would break at the axle. That`s the problem we have with Duck Boats.

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[20:33:41] GRACE: A hit TV reality star off TLC`s "My Giant Life" begs a judge for protection, claiming she is deathly afraid her manager

wants to kill her, that he even jokes about, quote, "putting her down."

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LINDSAY KAY HAYWARD, MY GIANT LIFE: It`s very hard sometimes to ignore the stares. I`ve been getting it since I was, like, 9. But I just

want to relax and just chill out and just be myself. And I feel like sometimes in public I can`t do that at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s from "My Giant Life" from TLC. This woman claims that her manager, who is joining us, wants to kill her. That he has practiced

with guns, that he has purchased guns, and that he has talked about putting her down. That the only way to kill an Amazon is to shoot an Amazon.

Take a look at "My Giant Life."

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HAYWARD: The airplane is -- is very frustrating. Everything for me has to be custom. I am hoping to get some peace out of meeting with my

father for the first time.

I don`t want to do this if you`re just going to go back and abandon me again.

I could be your armrest.

My biggest pet peeve is when people on the street I don`t even know come up to me and tell me what I should be doing. You should be playing

basketball, you`re wasting your talent. How is being tall a talent? I think it`s just something that happened in nature. Passion motivates me.

Being me is kind of a super power in itself because I`m like, you know, much taller and much stronger it`s like I`ve never thought about, like, you

know, having another super power. I think, like, just being who you are should be enough.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[20:35:27] GRACE: You are seeing Lindsay Kay Howard off TLC`s "My Giant Life." And she -- and they refer to her as a giant. She is almost 7

feet tall.

I want to go out to Alexis Tereszcuk, RadarOnline.com. Is that a physical anomaly? Is that genetics? How do you get to that height?

Because the average height for a woman in the U.S. is 5`5." All right? So she is almost 7 feet tall. What is that?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: She is. She is 6`9". She -- it is not an anomaly. She just says it`s genetic. In fact, when she was 9

years old, she was 6 feet tall. She is actually playing somebody on "Grey`s Anatomy," which is airing, coming up very quickly, who has an issue

with her height but she does not.

GRACE: OK. So I want to get down to her going into a judge and begging a judge for protection. You`re seeing "My Giant Life" from TLC.

This reality hit superstar is begging for protection, but the judge denied it? The judge refuses to protect her, Matt Zarrell?

MATT ZARRELL, EDITORIAL PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: Correct. Now she claims that the manager has guns. You mentioned the guns, and that she`s

joked that the only way to put an Amazon down is to shoot them.

GRACE: Joining me right now is Brad Konia, who is the accused manager of this self-professed giant of TLC`s "My Giant Life."

Brad Konia, she believes you`re trying to kill her. Respond.

BRAD KONIA, MANAGER OF LINDSAY HAYWARD: Nancy, that`s a complete fabrication. I`m a non-violent person. I`ve never even gotten into a

fight my entire life. The reason that Lindsay is making these preposterous claims is because we`re having a business dispute. And I filed a lawsuit

against her.

GRACE: What`s your lawsuit about?

KONIA: Well, I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of time over the past six years into promoting Lindsay`s

career. And we have a business together, which -- it`s an LLC, which we each own 50 percent interest in.

GRACE: Right. So you`re saying this is all about money?

KONIA: Oh, it`s absolutely about money.

GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing "My Giant Life" from TLC. And I`ve got in my hand right here the legal documents that Mr. Konia is referring

to. He is saying she goes to a judge in fear for her life, but that`s not true. That it`s really because he sued her for money.

Mr. Konia, if she owes you so much money, why have you been with her for almost seven years. I mean, once I figured out somebody is a thief, I

drop them like a hot potato but you have not.

KONIA: Well, I don`t understand what your premise is. You know, Lindsay and I formed the company in order to promote her acting career. An

acting career doesn`t happen overnight. It`s a process. It takes place over a number of years.

So I`ve been continuing to invest in her career. And little by little, she started to get work. She started to book some commercials.

And it looked like things were going well. And then the big breakthrough came when she booked this TLC reality show.

So at that point, you know, we were both excited. We thought, OK, this is the next step.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: The big break. Well, let me ask you this.

By the way, everybody, you`re seeing video from YouTube of Lindsay wrestling as Isis the Amazon. But now she`s afraid that a gun makes a big

man little and a little man big, that her manager wants to kill her and actually practices with his guns to do just that.

Sir, do you own guns?

KONIA: Nancy, I`m not going to answer that question. It`s an inappropriate question.

GRACE: I take that as a yes.

KONIA: Millions of people own guns in this country. There`s nothing illegal about owning a gun. And --

GRACE: Well, I didn`t say it was illegal, Mr. Konia. She says you own guns, that you practice with them.

KONIA: It`s a question that is off point because millions of people own guns.

GRACE: I know, but she --

(CROSSTALK)

People do not go --

GRACE: Her claim is that you own guns, you practice with them, and that you made the quote. I`m not saying you`re telling the truth or you`re

telling a lie. I`m asking you a question. Is what she says true? She says you own guns, you practice with them, and you said the only way to kill an

Amazon is to shoot an Amazon?

[20:40:00] KONIA: I never made it. That`s a preposterous claim. I never made any such statement. And I would never make such a statement.

And, in fact, as I mentioned in an article, I wrote about this whole situation, Lindsay has threatened to kill me many times over the years and

I have actual documentation to support that. I have text messages from Lindsay in which she threatens my life.

Furthermore, I`m not the only person that Lindsay has threatened. Her ex-boyfriend was so threatened by --

GRACE: Have any of you guys taken any of these death threats to court? Because she has. She went to a judge.

KONIA: I`m sorry? What?

GRACE: Did any of you or the people you`re referring to take her to court over these alleged death threats?

KONIA: Absolutely not. I did not. Because, let me --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: But she did. She went to a judge begging for protection -- hold on. For those of you that are not familiar with this, take a look at

"My Giant Life" off TLC.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m here with Lindsay Hayward from the WWE and she wants to slam me on the ground unless I`m nice during this interview. But

we love her. We love her. We love WWE. You`re our favorite WWE superstar.

HAYWARD: Yes, I should be.

My name is Lindsay. I am 27 years old. And I am 6`9".

Do you have any thicker slices?

People often ask me if I eat a lot. And even in the grocery store, they inspect my basket like what does this girl eat to make her so tall.

What makes you 6`9." Steak, potatoes, burgers, sushi, broccoli. And kids, you eat all this food, you will grow -- you will rocket up and you will get

muscles and you will -- be ready to take on the world.

When I`m out in public, it`s very hard sometimes to ignore the stares. I`ve been getting it since I was, like, 9. But I just want to relax and

just chill out and just be myself. And I feel like sometimes in public I can`t do that. At all.

No, I don`t. Actually, I did in college, but yes --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have a good day!

HAYWARD: Have a good day. One of the greatest things about being tall, there isn`t one surface in my house that I can`t reach. So if your

refrigerator is all dirty and dusty, I`m going to know. If the ceiling --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was from "My Giant Life" from TLC.

To Greg Cason, joining me out of L.A., psychologist. So what? Because she`s big, because she`s tall, does that bigger, physically than

the manager, does that play into this? The judge going you don`t need protection. Or is it like Konia says, it`s not true. Or is she being

targeted or discriminated against because she is so big?

GREG CASON, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, I think it`s a good premise to think that perhaps she is being discriminated against because she`s so big.

Because all of us would be around her and be intimidated by her, including men and especially men. So I think that, psychologically, we try to do

things to make ourselves bigger and maybe threatening her with a gun is one of those ways.

GRACE: You know, with me is Greg Cason. You know, she has filed a T.R.O. To you, Robin Ficker, Kirby Clements (ph), Carissa Crants (ph).

What about it, Ficker. She has filed a T.R.O., a Temporary Restraining Order, against her manager, who is with us tonight, who says

it`s all B.S., essentially.

But, you know, I`ve got a funny feeling, Ficker, the judge is siding against her, because she is so big. He doesn`t think she needs protection.

ROBIN FICKER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The judge didn`t believe her chitchat and told her to go skit scat, because she didn`t come up with the evidence

that she saw the gun, she had actually been threatened with the gun, that there were death threats. She didn`t have the specificity in her request

for a T.R.O., so we threw her out of court. Maybe she can go to a higher court. That should be easy.

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[20:48:14] GRACE: Live, Walton, Kentucky. Warning, graphic photos. 26-year-old Marilyn Stanley, at this moment, enduring multiple surgeries,

after she is literally scalped. Reports her ex orders his pit bull to attack, and then he does the same with a knife, leaving the blonde beauty

barely alive, ripping over 80 percent of her scalp off her head.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mostly anger. Anger that this happened to her. That she had to go through what she went through.

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GRACE: Straight out to Melissa Neeley, anchor WLW.

Melissa, thank you for being with us. What exactly happened? I`ve never heard in modern times of a person literally being scalped. And I

want to warn you, these are graphic photos. After her ex allegedly orders his pit bull to sic her and then he, himself, scalps her.

I heard -- I read reports, Melissa Neeley, that after he scalped her, tearing over 80 percent of her scalp, off her head, he made her stand in

front of the mirror and look at herself.

MELISSA NEELEY, ANCHOR, WLW: That`s right, Nancy. What we know is this all started from a Facebook post that Zachary Gross saw. And we`re

not sure whose post it was. But it sparked an argument or made him angry at Marilyn Stanley, and that`s when the abuse began after he saw that

Facebook post.

And that was correct, after he beat her viciously and his dog attacked her, he went over and showed her in the mirror and said, look at yourself.

This is what you look like. Shaming her for the abuse.

[20:50:11] GRACE: Melissa Neeley with us, WLW. Also with us, Major Tom Scheben, P.I.O., spokesperson for the Boone County sheriff`s office.

Major, thank you for being with us.

You`re welcome.

GRACE: Major Scheben, the crime scene photos that I have studied, blood is all over the floor. Major Scheben, I`ve prosecuted a lot of

homicides, a lot of aggravated batteries and aggravated assaults but I`ve never in my life seen a modern-day scalping. What is your understanding of

what happened?

MAJOR TOM SCHEBEN, SPOKESPERSON, BOONE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, you know, I looked at this as you were talking about it, and they hit the

nail right on the head, as a matter of fact. And I can attest to the same thing. In my 38 years` experience, I`ve not experienced anything like this

either. And so after he beats her up and closes both her eyes, they`re about the side of baseballs, and breaking ribs, he sics the dog on her.

And then once he`s finished, he praises the canine. And then he takes to scalping her.

You know, originally, we thought the dog did that until the UC docs said, no, that was a sharp instrument that did that.

GRACE: Oh, my stars. Major Tom Scheben, I was studying this and reading this and making calls and trying to find out. I couldn`t figure

out if the dog did it or he did it. Then we find out exactly what Major Scheben is telling us. Warning, graphic photos. This was done with a

sharp instrument.

Joining me, Dr. Paul Nassif, plastic surgeon, renowned plastic surgeon, star of "Botched" on E!

Dr. Nassif, I may be wrong but ever since I heard about this case, I`ve been studying it. I don`t think once you`re scalped, if you live to

tell the tale, I don`t think any of that hair will ever grow back. Is that true?

DR. PAUL NASSIF, PLASTIC SURGEON: I just got back -- I only heard part of what you said but I heard about the hair. So if she ends up

getting a skin graft on her scalp, she will not be able to have hair there. The only thing that she may be able to do later on, possibly, is get some

hair transplantation if that tissue is good or permanently will have to wear a wig.

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[20:56:40] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody should have to go through that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: This mother can`t fathom the brutal abuse her daughter suffered. 70 percent of her daughter`s scalp was ripped

off in a violent attack.

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GRACE: Oh, no. It was over 80 percent. The ex sics his pit bull on his girlfriend and then he scalps her, literally.

Matt Zarrell, you were saying that they scooped up the hair and the scalp and put it in a bag? Graphic photos.

What about that, matt?

ZARRELL: Yes. So after the incident with the mirror which we talked about, then he allegedly takes the portion of her scalp, puts it in a

plastic bag, drives the victim over near her mother`s home and drops her off in the front yard about four houses down because he`s not allowed near

the mother`s house.

GRACE: Well, I`m sure there`s a reason for that.

Dr. Paul Nassif, with me, plastic surgeon, renowned, star of "Botched" on E!

OK, Dr. Nassif, did you hear what we just reported that they got the scalp, the hair, and put it in a plastic bag. Then he dumps her in her

mother`s yard. Now, is there any way that could be reconnected? Or is it too late for that?

NASSIF: You know, it depends on how long it takes them to get to the hospital. But that would be the first thing I would do is try to reattach

the scalp, absolutely.

GRACE: So, obviously, they have not reattached it. All right? They`re talking about skin grafts now. So can they still reattach it? Or

has that ship sailed?

NASSIF: No, that`s gone. The blood supply and the quality of the tissue is not going to be any good so now you`ve got to go with skin graft.

GRACE: Now what a skin graft mean? What will that mean for her for the rest of her life?

NASSIF: You know, I mean, just like you see burn victims, and they have that real thin type of skin with no hair on it. Sometimes of a

different colors into it, has different shades of -- you know, in this situation it would be different shades of white, in a way. It`s not going

to look natural. It`s going to be ==

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GRACE: Let me ask you this, Dr. Nassif. Is there such a thing as a scalp transplant? Like we have heart transplant, lung transplant. Is

there such a thing?

NASSIF: Yes, there is such a thing as they`re called a free flap. They`ll take a piece of tissue from maybe a back, part of your back or

somewhere with the blood vessel attached to it and transport it up there. This is -- it`s a big surgery. I think the best thing really is going to

have to have some type of a hair piece. That`s really would be the best way to go.

GRACE: Let`s remember American hero Army Corporal Jason Daniel, 21, Fort Worth, Purple Heart, combat medic. Loved white water rafting.

Parents, Henry and Linda, sister Teigen, widow Monica. Jason Daniel, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us and inviting us into your homes. NANCY GRACE signing off.

I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp, Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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