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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news right now, live. TV and movie superstar Jim Carrey`s beloved girlfriend commits suicide -- reportedly
using drugs prescribed to the troubled comedian reportedly under an alias? Jim Carrey using a fake name?
Bombshell now. Jim Carrey under attack, but I disagree. This is not Jim Carrey`s fault.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think everybody just needs to take care of their own circle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His on-again off-again girlfriend died in an apparent suicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say she left behind a few notes, as well as containers of medication prescribed to an alias used by Jim Carrey.
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GRACE: And live, Turner, Oregon, reports 24-year-old Haley Fox meets her dream man on a dating Web site, courts him two years on line. He
agrees to give up his job and move across the country to be with her. But when he shows up on her doorstep to meet her for the first time, surprise!
She beats him nearly dead with a metal baseball bat!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-four-year-old Haley Fox invited Samuel Campbell to her parents` home. The two had met on line. Fox showed him to
a table outside with two glasses of wine. She told him to close his eyes, and when he did, investigator say, she hit him on the back of the head with
an aluminum baseball bat several times.
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GRACE: And live, North Carolina. A woman fascinated with being blind has a mental disorder. A psychologist pours drain cleaner into her eyes to
fulfill her so-called dream! The psychologist`s defense? She wanted to be blind!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I went blind on purpose, but I don`t feel it was a choice. I had some drain cleaner going down my cheek, burning my skin.
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GRACE: And upscale Dallas, a gorgeous pediatric dentist shot dead in the parking garage of a luxury Dallas high-rise. Did a female love rival
track the dentist through her iPhone?
As we go to air, is the hitman who a jealous dental nurse reportedly hires to gun down her boyfriend`s glamorous knew dentist lover, busted?
But the female mastermind still on the run?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who killed Dr. Kendra Hatcher? The 35-year-old pediatric dentist shot in her uptown Dallas parking garage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say the suspect got out of the Jeep, shot Hatcher and stole several pieces of property from her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And Florida, a 9-year-old school boy, Brandon Barnes (ph), is missing.
Hello. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell now, live. TV and movie superstar Jim Carrey`s beloved girlfriend commits suicide, allegedly using drugs prescribed to the
troubled comedian, reportedly prescribed to him under an alias. Jim Carrey using a fake name on drugs?
Well, Jim Carrey is under attack, but I disagree. This is not Jim Carrey`s fault.
Straight out to Alan Duke, editor-in-chief of Leadstories.com. Let`s start with the facts as we know them. Alan Duke, first of all, why do we
believe that the drugs she used to commit suicide belonged to Jim Carrey?
ALAN DUKE, LEADSTORIES.COM: Because the coroner`s office found four pill bottles next to her bed. Three of them were assigned to an alias,
prescribed in the name of a man that turned out to be an alias tracked back to Jim Carrey at the pharmacy. And that`s legal in California to do that.
And they found them, and they believed that she took them from his home.
GRACE: OK, you`re seeing "Liar, Liar" from Universal Pictures, Jim Carrey shoots to stardom, as I recall in "Ace Ventura Pet Detective," then
goes on to "The Mask," then "Liar, Liar," and he is on a roll. Nobody is like Jim Carrey, OK? But it is well known that Jim Carrey battles
depression.
I want to get back to Alan Duke, editor-in-chief, Leadstories.com. Alan, you`re telling me that these were -- oh, you`re seeing "Cable Guy"
now from Columbia Pictures. He`s awesome in that.
Alan Duke, you`re telling me that it`s absolutely been tracked back that the drugs that she used -- and as I recall, there were three drugs
that have been named so far. They were propanalol, which is a blood pressure drug, they were Ambien, which is a sleep cure, and Percocet, which
is a painkiller.
[20:05:05]You`re saying they were absolutely tracked back -- put him up, please! Alan Duke, before you attribute all this to Jim Carrey, I want
to know how you know these drugs were his. And all of these drugs are legal.
DUKE: Well, the drugs -- it`s legal in California for a doctor to give a celebrity a prescription using an alias. You know the Anna Nicole
trial...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa! What about a regular person?
DUKE: ... we found that out...
GRACE: What about a regular person?
DUKE: Well...
GRACE: You`re saying a celebrity. There`s a different law for them?
DUKE: If there`s -- it`s an accepted thing, if the doctor knows and the pharmacist knows. That was clearly one of the things we learned in the
Anna Nicole Smith drug trial, if you remember. Those doctors were acquitted on that case.
GRACE: So you`re telling me that the use of an alias when you`re getting drugs is OK in that jurisdiction.
You`re seeing "Liar, Liar" from Universal.
So that`s not the issue. But my question is not whether that is kosher or not, but how do I know she used his drugs? How do I know that
the pills she used to kill herself were his drugs?
DUKE: We really won`t know for about six weeks. When toxicology comes back, we`ll know how she died. But it`s the suspicion now -- those
drugs were by her bed in bottles or -- or not in the bottles. The bottles were there by her bedside. And so they`re making the connection there.
But we will only know when the autopsy results are in.
GRACE: We`re taking your calls, 877-626-2901.
Many people tonight pointing the finger at comedian Jim Carrey. His girlfriend, Cathriona, found dead, believed to be a suicide from
prescription medication. And tonight, Alan Duke saying those pills were Jim Carrey`s, obtained by him under a false name.
Alan Duke, what can you tell me about the woman, the victim in this case, Cathriona White? She was a young lady from Ireland. Hasn`t she been
battling depression? And is it true that she was in a very rigorous Scientology so-called purification class? What is that?
DUKE: There is one media report that we`ve not been -- I`ve not been able to confirm about her involvement in Scientology, so I really can`t
comment on that. It`s a very controversial process there. There`s one media report. And of course, the Scientology church is not commenting on
that.
GRACE: OK, so Rita Cosby, investigative journalist, host at WABC -- Rita, Scientology has a very strenuous, rigorous purification process.
It`s called "purif (ph)." And it`s very, very difficult. And it`s a lot of self-examination, and you work with other people to work through all of
your problems, as Scientology perceives them.
Are there reports that she was in the middle of this process, which I can just imagine is not good if you`re in a depression.
RITA COSBY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes, and also, Scientologists are not apt to have you use antidepressants, those kind of medications. The
other thing -- there`s a photo of her. There are reports that there`s a tweet out of her, that about 17 weeks before, she is seen on a drip, having
vitamin B, vitamin C -- it`s an anti sort of -- you know, sort of a detox treatment, a purification treatment, that many say is popular with
Scientology.
GRACE: You know, Alan Duke, here`s another question to you. Jim Carrey taking a lot of heat as if this is all his fault. But how do I even
know that he realized the prescription drugs were gone? It`s very difficult for me to believe that Jim Carrey willingly gave her a drug
sandwich of all of his drugs, knowing that she had depression. I just don`t believe that!
DUKE: Exactly.
GRACE: So how do I know she didn`t take them from his place?
DUKE: Well, I think that`s the suspicion. I mean, she had access to his place, at least up until a few days earlier, when they broke up. But
yes. Exactly. And that would also suggest that she planned this if -- over several days.
GRACE: We also don`t know if these were the drugs in her system.
You`re seeing "Batman Forever" from Warner Bros.
Bradley J. Marcus joining us, chief medical examiner, Richland County. Bradley, thank you for being with us. Why is it taking so long to find out
exactly what was in her system? When are we going to find that out?
DR. BRADLEY J. MARCUS, CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER, RICHLAND CO.: Well, generally, the toxicology testing does take approximately around eight
weeks or so when they go to a state lab because there are other cases before that. So that`s why. And then they have to verify what`s in her
system first. So it`s generally -- that`s the general timeframe.
GRACE: So Alan Duke, I don`t even know if the drugs in her system are the drugs that were beside her bed. Of course, it makes common sense that
it would be. But again, I don`t know that Jim Carrey knew she had his drugs. I doubt very seriously he gave them to her if she was battling
depression.
[20:10:11]Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Misty Marris out of New York, Jeff Gold, defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
First of all, to you, Jeff Gold. I don`t think that there is any way that Jim Carrey is going to bear any responsibility for this.
JEFF GOLD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s too early, Nancy. Why -- you know -- she has the pills that are his pills. Was he loose with them? Did he
say, Here, honey, take some pills? We don`t know. We`re not accusing him. But he`s being investigated, and that`s the right thing.
GRACE: OK. Take a listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More people die from prescription drug overdoses than from car accidents. Abuse of prescription drugs is a national
epidemic and can lead to addiction, overdose and even death.
Did you know many teens get their drugs for free from their family and friends` medicine cabinets? They think prescription drugs give them a safe
high.
Protect your family and loved ones. Secure and monitor prescription drugs and dispose of unused or expired drugs. Start by counting your
pills. Then get them out of your easily accessible medicine cabinets and lock them up. Keep track of your family`s refills because needing refills
more often than expected could indicate a problem.
If your teen has been prescribed a drug, control the medication and monitor the doses and refills. Spread the word...
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GRACE: That PSA from the California State Board of Pharmacy.
You know, another thing, Rita Cosby, I don`t know that Jim Carrey is going to have to undergo police interrogation. We have heard nothing about
that. What do you know?
COSBY: Well, we do know that he will at least be questioned about the trail of these medications and if, indeed, he gave any to her. We don`t
know, at that point, at all, at this point.
What we do know, also, as you point out, Nancy, that he does have a history of depression. He said on CBS that at one point, he was on Prozac,
but he also said he has not been on it for a long time. But investigators will want to find the trail of these medications and if he possibly maybe
wasn`t there when she took them, if he gave any to her. All of these are just allegations at this point.
GRACE: Back to Bradley J. Marcus. Dr. Marcus, question. the -- you`re saying "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective" from Warner Bros.
The drugs as we know them tonight -- propanalol is a blood pressure medication. Percocet is a painkiller. Ambien is a sleep aid.
How would any of those give you a high, so to speak?
MARCUS: Well, the Percocet is a synthetic narcotic, so it`s got, like, a quality basically like morphine, so that will give you your high.
And the Ambien will just put you to sleep. But the combination of them together, and especially if she had any alcohol in her system, would slow
down her respiratory rate and heart rate, where she possibly can have an overdose.
GRACE: Justin Freiman, what do you know about an alleged suicide note?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Nancy, authorities are saying that there were multiple notes left, but they are
not disclosing exactly what was written in them, but I`m sure investigators are going to be very curious.
GRACE: Well, allegedly referred to troubles, romantic troubles with Jim Carrey. But there are sources tonight saying they were not actually
even broken up.
You`re seeing "Batman Forever" from Warner Bros.
To Dr. Seth Meyers (ph), clinical psychologist, LA. Why is it that we always hear of the funniest people, stand-up, comedian, world class like
Jim Carrey, suffering from depression? Are they just extremely sensitive? They see the world through a different filter? What is that? It seems to
be almost commonplace among comedians that they have depression.
DR. SETH MEYERS, PSYCHOLOGIST: It`s a great question. You know, a lot of people who have either depression or bipolar disorder can make
amazing comedians or actors or actresses because they go through -- they cycle through emotions on such an intense level on a daily basis.
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[20:18:45]GRACE: We go live to Turner, Oregon, reports 24-year-old Haley Fox meets her dream man on a dating Web site and courts him on line
for two years. Finally, he agrees to give up his job and move cross- country to be with her. But when he shows up on her doorstep to meet her for the first time, surprise! She beats him half-dead with a metal
baseball bat!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say she hit him in the back of the head with an aluminum baseball bat several times. She told detectives she
decided to use a bat because she played softball for years, and someone told her it only takes seven pounds of force to break a person`s neck.
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GRACE: She was told it only takes seven pounds of force to break a human -- look at this girl! Look at her! You could pass her in the
grocery store or shopping at Target, you name it, at the gas station. She looks totally normal.
But what`s going on in that head? She`s thinking about how somebody told her it only takes seven pounds of force with a metal baseball bat to
break somebody`s neck? OK -- oh, dear!
[20:20:01]OK. Craig Fronek, "Sunrise With Craig" on KCMX -- we`re about to be joined by the victim, Samuel "Heath" Campbell, in this case.
Craig, what happened?
CRAIG FRONEK, KCMX (via telephone): Nancy, thanks for having me. This is a -- something out of a horror movie, much like Al Capone in "The
Untouchables," where he comes up behind this guy and just smashes his head in.
I am stunned that this -- that Samuel Campbell is alive to tell about it. This 22-year-old (INAUDIBLE) did on-line dating for two years, 10,000
texts. And quite frankly, this is a plea deal because to me, it looks like it could have been attempted murder.
GRACE: Well, I`m just overwhelmed. They spent two years, Craig Fronek, getting to know each other -- Craig from "Sunrise With Craig,"
KCMX.
OK, I`m hearing in my ear he`s joining us right now. Samuel Heath Campbell, nearly dead by an attack from his girlfriend of two years.
Samuel, do you go by Samuel or Heath?
SAMUEL "HEATH" CAMPBELL, VICTIM (via telephone): I go by Heath.
GRACE: Heath. What was it about this girl that made you move across country? What did you -- who did you think she was?
CAMPBELL: Well, I thought she was an honest person, to -- you know, from -- there was no signs of her just being crazy. The reason I moved out
there was shortly -- it was about in December, she told me that she -- she had cancer in her leg, you know, a melanoma. And so I was, like, Well, you
know, I care about this girl. I`m not going to just, you know, not talk to her anymore. So that`s what made me actually want to move out there.
GRACE: So she tells you she has cancer, melanoma. OK. You meet her, and you`re on-line with her for two years, and you fall in love on line.
How did she represent herself?
CAMPBELL: Ma`am?
GRACE: How did she represent herself to make her fall in love -- make you fall in love with her?
CAMPBELL: Well, she just -- she was -- I guess she was just everything that I, you know, wanted in a person at the time.
GRACE: Plus a baseball bat. Everything, plus a baseball bat. Tell me what happened when you get there. OK, you get there, you ring the
doorbell, what happened?
CAMPBELL: Well, actually, I had pulled into town two days before, and she just kept putting me off. Finally -- you know, that seemed a little
weird to me. But finally, she called me, said, Hey, come on over. The parents are gone. And I pulled up. She was standing outside. She invited
me in. Then we went directly outside and we sat down, put a glass of wine, and told me to close my eyes. And then, you know, the worst happened.
GRACE: Wait a minute. So she tells you to sit down and close your eyes. Close your eyes for what, a big surprise?
CAMPBELL: I have no -- I couldn`t -- I don`t know -- I mean, obviously, she wanted to hit me in the head, but I mean, that`s the last
thing I expected. You know, a pretty girl sits you down to a glass of wine, says, Hey, close your eyes, a bat -- a bat to the head`s the last
thing you expect.
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[20:27:15]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As he lay on the ground bleeding, Campbell told detectives, another woman came out from where she`d been
hiding somewhere on the property, and she and Fox discussed tying him up with duct tape. But he was eventually able to convince Fox to take him to
the hospital, promising he wouldn`t say anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And joining me right now, the man, the on-line boyfriend that travels across the country to meet his true love -- well, there she is --
and she greets him with a big surprise. Just like he just told us, a pretty girl, a glass of wine, the last thing he expected was a metal
baseball bat to the head.
Samuel Heath Campbell is with us. So Heath, explain to me. She says, Sit down, here`s a glass of wine, and close your eyes -- for what?
CAMPBELL: She just said she had a surprise. Little did I know that, like you said, it was a bat.
GRACE: Julie Spiro is with us, on-line dating expert, author of "The Perils of Cyber Dating." What shocks you the most about Haley Fox? And
how common is it that people hook up and start relationships on line?
JULIE SPIRO, ON-LINE DATING EXPERT (via telephone): Well, first of all, meeting on line is very common. We`re looking at about 20 percent of
committed relationships are for couples who`ve met on line.
But with this story -- thousands and thousands of texts. You need to meet someone before one to two years, or you really aren`t in a
relationship. You have a digital penpal.
GRACE: You know, I don`t know about with affairs of the heart, Heath Campbell, when you`re texting and you`re writing every day, talking on the
phone. To me, that sounds like a long-distance relationship. I would not consider that a penpal.
CAMPBELL: I would have to agree.
GRACE: So can I ask you, what did you think were her interests? What did she tell you about? Did she love to cook, likes children? What did
she tell you about herself?
CAMPBELL: Honestly, you know, Nancy, she told me she wanted -- she loved, you know, hiking, being outdoors, you know, just, you know, anything
a normal person would like, you know? And I bought into her -- into her stories. And I -- and that`s just -- you know, it just happened the way it
happened, I reckon.
GRACE: Do you know, Heath, how close you came to death...
CAMPBELL: Oh, yes.
GRACE: ... how close you came?
CAMPBELL: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: To Dr. Marcus. Dr. Marcus, she admits that she found out that it only takes seven pounds of pressure to break somebody`s neck with a
metal bat, is that right?
MARCUS: No, that`s wrong.
GRACE: The fact that she even thought it is scary to me. So how close did Heath come to losing his life, to be beaten in the neck and head
with a metal baseball bat?
MARCUS: He`s very lucky. You know, any type of traumatic injury to the head, even just one blow could cause a severe brain injury and/or
bleeding, where he could be dead.
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GRACE: Live to North Carolina. A woman fascinated with being blind has a mental disorder. A psychologist pours drain cleaner into the woman`s
eyes to fulfill her so-called dream of being blind. The psych`s defense, she wanted to be blind.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I lay down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye. In my case, it was a need to go blind.
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GRACE: Chris Spargo, I`m not sure I understand this correctly. Chris joining me, reporter, Dailymail.com. Chris, so it is a medical, or let me
just say, a mental phenomena, where people desire a particular disability. I have studied where people want to lose their limbs in the past. But in
this case, this woman wants to be blind. Jewel Schooping (ph), okay? She wants to be blind, and then she connects with a psychologist who pours
drain cleaner down her eyes?
SPARGO: Yes, that`s exactly what happened. This woman suffers from something called body integrity identity disorder, which is basically when
able-bodied people believe they should be disabled. She said ever since she was a girl, she wanted to be blind. She would stare at the sun for
hours. She started wearing thick glasses to make it look like she was blind. She would walk with a cane. She would read Braille. And then at
21, she somehow found someone who was willing to actually put drain cleaner in her eyes to permanently blind her.
GRACE: Well, finding someone to pour drain cleaner down your eyes sounds to me like an aggravated battery that calls for 20 years to life
behind bars. I mean, doing this as a favor to someone that has a mental illness or a mental delusion or a mental defect, that shrink needs to go to
jail. Joining me right now is Dr. Michael First. He is a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University. Dr. First, thank you for
joining us. Could you explain this disorder?
DR. MICHAEL FIRST, PROF OF CLINICAL PSYCHIATRY, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: Sure. This is a very, very, very rare disorder. It`s actually been
identified for the last 100 years, but only with the Internet, more and more cases are becoming clear. It`s a condition where people basically
have a lifelong desire to be disabled in some way. As Chris mentioned, the most common form is wanting to have an amputation. But there are people
who want to be paraplegic, and rarely -- in fact, this is the only case I`ve actually ever heard of someone wanting to be blind. But it does
appear to fit the pattern of this childhood onset, lifelong desire to be disabled. To make the person feel like that`s the way they should have
been born.
GRACE: Okay. Dr. First, stay with us. Take a listen to what she says.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I went blind on purpose. But I don`t feel it was a choice. When there`s nobody around you that feels the same way, you
start to think that you`re just very crazy. I don`t think I`m crazy. I think I have a disorder. BIID means that you have a need to be disabled in
some way. In my case, it was a need to go blind. I found that lye is very painful, although it does get the job done. I found that drain cleaner is
a little less painful, although it does a lot of damage to the eye. Because drain cleaner was easily available to me, I went with that. I laid
down on the sofa, and he sat next to me, dropped two drops into each eye.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: It`s actually painful for me to hear her say this, because Chris Spargo, dailymail.com, she has a mental defect, she knows she has a
mental defect in her desire to be blind. And then some shrink comes along and fulfills her lifelong dream by pouring drain cleaner into her eyes? Is
the shrink in jail?
SPARGO: No, that`s the thing we don`t even know. She refuses to name who he was. Maybe something happened when they went to the hospital, they
found him, but it appears that he has -- he or she has not suffered any consequences from what they did.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Misty Marris, New York, Jeff Gold, Atlanta. Misty Marris, give me one reason, one reason this shrink should
not be indicted for aggravated battery.
MARRIS: Nancy, we don`t know who he is and this woman is (inaudible), is not going to bring charges against him. She`s thrilled with the result.
GRACE: Misty, hold on just a moment. It`s not an issue of her bringing charges. Is she holding a set of scales and a sword? No.
Because she is not lady justice. Okay? An individual does not bring charges, Misty. The state brings charges.
(CROSSTALK)
MARRIS: But they have to know who the charges are against.
GRACE: Of course, they have to know who. I didn`t ask you that.
MARRIS: They have to have testimony to show, to prove their case against this doctor.
GRACE: Okay, Jeff Gold.
MARRIS: Maybe what they should be focusing on is looking at the professional licenses, instead of this particular criminal investigation.
See if--
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You would like that. Okay, I wouldn`t. Let me get back to the issue. Stacy Newman. Okay. This is not assisted suicide. This is
not someone making suicide possible.
[20:40:00]
GRACE: This is someone pouring drain cleaner down her eyes, full of lye. We heard her say how painful it was. That is aggravated battery.
That is a technical legal term, which is like aggravated assault. Except that you lose the use or the facilities of one of your limbs or a part of
your body, such as your arm is shot or you lose your eyesight. It`s aggravated battery. So I don`t understand, the pain that she suffered, why
even her family is not pursuing charges with prosecutors.
NEWMAN: This psychologist, either male or female, is considering this a mercy blinding. And worked with her for two weeks to make sure she
actually still wanted to go through with this. When she did, he or she leaned her back on a couch and dropped two drops of drain cleaner in each
eye.
GRACE: Ooh. With me is Dr. Michael First from Columbia University. Vision is not the only impairment that people with this disorder want to
suffer. Watch this, Doctor.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing I did was, I used the flour scoop to scoop some granulated dry ice into the bucket.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hundred pounds of dry ice and an obsession to destroy his legs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It filled the waste bucket with carbon dioxide gas. Which was 79 degrees below zero. I put both feet in. It took me
about 45 minutes to slowly add dry ice to get to the point where it was up to the top of the waste basket. And I spent the next six hours well packed
in the dry ice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Within days, his legs began to blacken as the frozen tissue died away, and within a month, surgeons had no choice but
Carl`s choice. Amputate both legs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At any moment as you were sitting there, was there any glimmer of regret?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, none.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is amputation by choice from ABC News. Dr. First, that`s how I learned about this disorder many, many years ago, and began studying
it. How common is this, Dr. First? That was the man on ABc that used hot ice, frozen ice, to basically ruin his legs so they had to be amputated.
This case, it`s a woman that has drain cleaner poured down her eyes so she can become blind.
FIRST: Thankfully, this is extremely rare. The cases are so sensational, we hear about them, but they`re really a handful of cases like
this.
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GRACE: And live to upscale Dallas. A gorgeous pediatric dentist shot dead in the parking garage of her luxury Dallas high-rise, but did a female
love rival track the dentist through her iPhone? As we go to air right now, is the hitman who the dental nurse reportedly hires to gun down her
boyfriend`s glamorous new dentist lover, busted, while the female mastermind is still on the run?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who killed Dr. Kendra Hatcher? 35-year-old pediatric dentist was shot in her uptown Dallas parking garage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say the suspect got out of the jeep, shot Hatcher, and stole several pieces of property from her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Joining me right now, Robin Wallensky, senior news anchor with The Blaze. Robin, can I see the surveillance video, Liz, before we get
started? So the actual shooter that guns down Kendra Hatcher, the pediatric dentist, he`s busted. But still, true, he may be accused of
pulling the trigger, but the mastermind, the female mastermind, the ex- girlfriend who got dumped, still on the run. Brenda Delgado.
ROBIN WALLENSKY, THE BLAZE: That`s right, Nancy, there are major developments tonight out of Dallas. Christopher Love is who the FBI
believes is the masked man in the car with the gun. They have charged him with capital murder, a felony, and he`s being held on $2.5 million. He was
allegedly hired by Brenda Delgado, 33 years old, also in the dental business, a dental nurse, the ex. And reportedly, she hired him to do the
deed, to kill the new girlfriend, and she is still at large tonight.
GRACE: Kendra Hatcher, for those of you just joining us, a very beloved pediatric dentist, meets and falls in love with her dream man,
until the ex-girlfriend rears her ugly head. And according to police, we believe that the girlfriend, the ex-girlfriend, Brenda Delgado, is on the
run. She is a dental nurse, allegations are that she hires the hitman, Christopher Love, to gun down the new girlfriend, Kendra Hatcher. Okay.
Why do we believe, Robin, that this is the right guy?
WALLENSKY: Well, he is connected to the woman who was actually driving the black Jeep.
GRACE: Crystal Cortez.
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WALLENSKY: Correct. They`re all connected. They all know each other. And --
GRACE: Ooh.
WALLENSKY: That`s why the police believe, the FBI believe after doing all these interviews that they were all seen together at one point. The
big issue is this, in terms of an interesting nugget, Nancy, the mother of the boyfriend, the man here, he -- the mom apparently told the Delgado
woman who is still at large, Brenda Delgado, stay way from my son, and she believed that this woman needed psychological help.
GRACE: Delgado? Okay. Right now, there`s a bolo. Be on the lookout for Brenda Delgado, the alleged mastermind behind the shooting, the gunning
down in her parking garage there at her luxury high rise of the victim, Kendra Hatcher. She still had on her scrubs, coming in from work. She
comes into this beautiful high rise. It`s got security. Out the ying yang. She gets out of her car, bam! Here comes a Jeep being driven by --
oh, yes. The Jeep is being driven by Cortez. When a masked man gets out, who we believe to be Christopher Love. Let`s go out to the lines, Kara in
Ohio. What`s your question?
CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I have really a comment. Why is it that people take these things so far? They break up, you know, with a boyfriend or
whatever, and he gets a new girlfriend. You know, I mean, these women -- I`ve heard so many of these cases. Usually a lot of them involve the woman
as the mastermind. I just -- what is our culture where these women can`t - - you know, try to move through these things, and, you know, get on with their lives, instead of murdering, you know, a wonderful woman like that?
GRACE: I know, and so beloved by so many children. Rita Cosby, investigative journalist, WABC host, I understand they were all in the same
little dental community, and they all knew each other. At least the boyfriend and then the victim, Kendra, and then the dental nurse who is now
on the run, Delgado. They were all in the same circles.
COSBY: Yes.
GRACE: I guess that made the pain of the breakup even worse, right?
COSBY: And indeed the woman who is now at large, who everyone is looking for, was working with the getaway driver. Additionally, too,
people who were in classes with this woman, who everybody is looking for right now -- again, believed to be tied to this capital murder for love
hire case, apparently in class all she talked about was the boyfriend. She was obsessed. They dated two years. They broke up earlier this year, and
then he met the new dentist, Kendra Hatcher.
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GRACE: Live to Florida and a missing 9-year-old school boy, Brandon Varnes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Urgent. A little boy left his home this morning and hasn`t been seen since. Officials are out on ATVs, searching the
nearby woods, along with canine teams, hoping to find the missing boy. Police and family need your help. Where is little Brandon Varnes?
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GRACE: Okay. Right now I`m hearing in my ear, we got breaking news. Justin Freiman, has he been found?
FREIMAN: Yes, Nancy, he has. Yes. Thankfully, he left home with a box of snake cakes. They were able to find some of the wrappers along a
trail, and that led them to this little boy.
GRACE: Justin, I`m disturbed, I am very disturbed. I`ll tell you why. Tell me if I`m wrong, Justin. Isn`t this the same little boy that
went missing back in August -- and he had gone out, was walking in the woods and actually got on a boat belonging to some neighbors, and they
found him hours and hours later? Is this the same little boy?
FREIMAN: This is the same little boy. That time he actually spent the night out there in the woods. The house is right near a very wooded
area, about 30 acres worth, so the search included air and land again.
GRACE: Justin, where are the parents? When this child keeps going missing. I mean, it is not far from Jacksonville and Gainesville. That`s
gator country.
FREIMAN: That`s right, Nancy. It is a very wooded area. Anything can happen there. It`s not easy to find somebody. If it wasn`t for these
snacks, they might not have even had a trail.
GRACE: Everybody, you`re taking a look at a little boy that we`re learning has been found, Brandon Dalton Varnes. He went missing in August
because he was doing a walkabout. He was then around 8 years old. Finally, some good news. He was found safe and sound. Now, parents, let`s
figure out why your child keeps going missing.
Let`s remember American hero, Tennessee Deputy Sheriff, Rosemary Vela, just 24, killed in the line of duty. Served Madison County sheriff`s, also
served Alamo police and Crocket County sheriff`s. Parents Nicholas and Maria, two brothers, one sister, son, Jaden. Rosemary Vela, American hero.
Thanks to all of our guests, but especially to you for inviting us into your homes. I`m Nancy Grace signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night
8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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