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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news now, evil ISIS`s bloody attack on Paris, now ISIS vowing to attack Washington, D.C., next in a chilling new
ISIS video, claiming every nation that strikes Syria will, quote, "suffer France`s same fate." This as we learn ISIS using Sony Playstation and
social media to carry out their murderous plan, as many U.S. states refusing to take on Syrian refugees, the White House insisting it will
bring in 10,000 more!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Terror across Paris.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... night of unfolding terror right in the heart of the French capital.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huge gunshots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This was an assault on their lifestyle.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, Indianapolis. After police raid the mansion of former Subway sandwich superstar Jared, after Jared catapults the multi-
million-dollar giant to the stratosphere, police raiding for child porn, new secret recordings of Subway`s Jared trying to set up child sex, asking
friends if they`d let him see their children naked.
Stunning development. One of Subway Jared`s victims breaks her silence as the pervy frontman, Jared Fogle, demands the judge give him the
minimum prison sentence!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is where he used hidden cameras to violate your dignity.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To violate your privacy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. He had me convinced to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Having sex with him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you were 16?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That video from CBS and Potesky (ph) Productions.
And live, Scottsville (ph), a 7-year-old girl, Gabriella Doolan (ph), goes missing from a Peewee football game with her mom. Just 25 minutes
after reported missing, her little body found in a nearby creek. Cause of death, homicide. Breaking now, police search for the killer.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for a killer after the body of a 7-year-old girl was found dead in a creek behind a school just minutes
after she was reported missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation is being handled by the detectives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who killed Gabby (ph)?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, evil ISIS`s bloody attack on Paris, now ISIS vowing to attack Washington, D.C., next in a chilling new ISIS video claiming
every nation that strikes Syria will, quote, "suffer France`s same fate." This as we learn ISIS using Sony Playstation and social media to carry out
their murderous plans?
Many U.S. states now refusing to take on Syrian refugees. Well, the White House insisting it will bring in 10,000 more.
Straight out to Drew Griffin, CNN senior investigative correspondent. Drew, what can you tell us about this new ISIS video?
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was released, apparently threatening the U.S. and Washington, D.C., in particular. Now, our
Homeland Security officials here in the United States say they know of no credible threat, but they are taking it very seriously, as you can imagine
they must.
But again, it`s all about tracking these terrorists who come out of Syria and back into countries to do their ill will and...
GRACE: You know, Drew, here`s my concern. I know they`re saying there`s not a credible threat. But before the Paris attacks, on social
media, terrorists were showing photos of the Eiffel Tower, wishing each other well. It was as if no one was watching social media.
Everyone, with me is Drew Griffin, CNN senior investigative correspondent. Let`s take a look at this ISIS video that has just
uncovered. Do we have that, Liz?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We say to the countries that participate in the crusader campaign, I swear to God, a similar day that
France went through, you will go through. I swear to God, as we struck France in its stronghold, Paris, we will strike America in its stronghold,
Washington, with God`s will.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Drew Griffin, it`s very hard for me to believe that we can`t look at a video that clear -- let`s look at those faces, please, Liz --
that we can`t look at a video that clear and we have no idea who these people are. How can that be, Drew?
GRIFFIN: Well, even if you knew who these people were, it`s a matter of trying to track them down and track them down in Syria or in the ISIS-
controlled territories, where you really don`t have boots on the ground.
[20:05:13]We are fighting this war from the sky, and it`s very difficult to pinpoint individuals who are on taped videos coming out of
these regions. So it makes it very, very difficult.
GRACE: Right.
GRIFFIN: This is not a conventional war, as you know, Nancy.
GRACE: No, it`s not.
GRIFFIN: And to try to track all these people down is nearly impossible if you`re not on the ground with them.
GRACE: I`m trying to find out about a new female terrorist that has just been identified or believed to be possibly part of these attacks.
Joining me, Buck Sexton, CNN political commentator, former CIA counter-terrorism analyst. Buck, thanks so much for being with us. I`m
trying to unravel how, for instance, Sony Playstations and Nintendos, social media is being used against us. And this is by the same extremists
that want to tear away thousands of years of advances, but are willing to use social media, and for instance, a Playstation to plot attacks.
How is that happening, Buck?
BUCK SEXTON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR (VIA TELEPHONE): This has been a long-standing tactic of jihadists stretching back for decades now.
They`re perfectly willing to use technology, use Western technology in particular, in order to recruit, to train, to plot attacks, to do whatever
it is that they think gives them an advantage in trying to strike out at us.
And now, when you look at the various platforms, there are so many of them. And even if the encryption is something that security services,
whether in Europe or the United States, are able to get around, you`re talking about too many possible targets for surveillance at any given time
for someone...
GRACE: Well...
SEXTON: ... to really be able to have a total handle.
GRACE: ... here`s my question...
SEXTON: There are simply too many different platforms and too many different individuals on them for us to know at all times what they`re up
to and what the plans are.
GRACE: You know...
SEXTON: And they`ll use anything. They`ll use any of these new apps that have come up, any of these new electronic means of communication,
because as long as they can get the information, that`s all that matters to them.
GRACE: You know, who would have thought, Buck Sexton, that a Playstation, Nintendo, would be used to carry out these evil plans. And we
learned from leaks -- you know, obviously, Snowden -- that the feds, the FBI, the CIA was already encrypted in many of the games that are being used
right now for this very reason. So this is not a big surprise, is it, Buck?
SEXTON: No, there`s no surprise that they would harness a person-to- person chat, even if it`s on a video game console, as I said, if it`s on an app.
And as we know, one of the most effective ways that they distribute their propaganda all over the world is using the very same social media
platforms that you and me and everybody else who`s listening either has some familiarity with or uses all time, Facebook, Twitter.
These are propaganda tools. These are recruiting tools that are harnessed by the other side. I mean, they`re perfect...
GRACE: Right.
SEXTON: ... mass communication devices, and the Islamic State has brought in fighters to Syria using nothing other than Twitter accounts,
using direct messaging. They`ve used Facebook groups in order to try to proselytize and to bring people over into the radicalization that then
leads to a jihadization...
GRACE: Well...
SEXTON: ... to the actual attacks. So they are very digitally savvy. And if you`re looking for the biggest distinction between sort of old
school al Qaeda led by bin Laden and now by Zawahiri and the Islamic State, I think you`d have to say that the cyber caliphate, the cyber nature of all
this and the way that they use it and the expertise with which they use it is the real distinguishing characteristic.
They`re just much better at this than al Qaeda was, and they`re using it much more effectively to recruit, to train, to plot, to do everything
that it is that they`re doing to hit us and hit us hard.
GRACE: Amazing, a Sony Playstation being used. OK, I think I`ve got from Paris, Jake Wallis Simons, the associate global editor of
Dailymail.com. Jake, again, thank you for being with us. What can you tell us about reports of a female terrorist?
JAKE WALLIS SIMONS, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Yes, there have been reports that a female terrorist was among one of the shooters inside
the concert hall. Those reports came from survivors of the massacre who said that one of them was a woman.
Now, this has not been either confirmed or denied by the police at this stage. But if it`s true, it shows a very worrying departure for ISIS
because other terrorist groups, particularly Palestinian terrorist groups, are known to use female terrorists quite a lot. They have portraits of
them, which are called martyrs, up on the streets of the West Bank, which I`ve seen myself.
However, ISIS, the fighting tends to be done by the men. The massacres and the brutality tends to come from the men. The women tend to
be kept at the home on the computers doing the recruiting.
So if ISIS has started to use female terrorists, that`s a departure, and it`s just given them another way to slip through the net of the
security services and mount attacks in Europe and in the U.S.
[20:10:05]GRACE: With me, associate global editor, Dailymail.com, Jake Wallis Simons. We`re talking about a female terrorist. Was there a
female terrorist involved in the Paris attacks?
Also, Jake, another question. We know that at least one, if not more, of the terrorists posing as a Syrian refugee. What is being done to more
carefully vet the Syrian refugees? This as many U.S. states are vowing they will not take Syrian refugees. What is being done, Jake?
SIMONS: Well, you know, this is one of the biggest questions of this whole tragic, tragic episode. One of our Dailymail.com reporters back in
September was able to buy a forged Syrian passport for $2,000 on the Turkey-Syria border. Now, that Syrian passport, if he was a terrorist,
would have allowed him to pass freely into Europe because at the moment, countries like Germany and other countries in Europe are offering an open
door policy towards anybody who has a Syrian passport.
And when my colleague, Nick Sage (ph), bought that you passport, the person who sold it to him warned him that it was being used -- these things
were being used by terrorists. And lo and behold, beside the bodies of one of the suicide bombers in Paris, there was an almost identical passport to
the one that my colleague, a fake Syrian passport, that seems to have been used by the terrorist to get from Syria into Europe.
Now, this is a really serious problem because people in Europe and the United States don`t want to turn away genuine refugees who have been harmed
by war, who have been displaced, who have lost members of their family. These people are victims, and European...
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GRACE: You`re looking at a fake passport right now.
SIMONS: ... and at the same time...
GRACE: Jake -- Jake, hold on. We`re showing the viewers...
SIMONS: ... as well.
GRACE: We`re showing the viewers a fake passport. This is from the Dailymail reporter. This is a fake passport that Jake Wallis Simons is
talking about. A Dailymail reporter reported this prior to the Paris attacks, that fake Syrian passports were being used for terrorists to get
into Europe to plan an attack. Lo and behold, it has happened.
With me, Drew Griffin, CNN senior investigative correspondent, Jake Wallis Simons, associate global editor, Dailymail.com. Now ISIS vowing to
attack Washington, D.C., next in a chilling ISIS video. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We say to the countries that participate in the crusader campaign, I swear to God, a similar day that
France went through, you will go through. I swear to God, as we struck France in its stronghold, Paris, we will strike America in its stronghold,
Washington, with God`s will.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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[20:17:08]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first attack came at 9:20 PM local time, an explosion at the Stade de France, north of Paris, during a soccer
friendly between the French and German teams. The match continues amid confusion. Five minutes later, gunmen opened fire at Le Petite Cambodge, a
Cambodian restaurant at the corner of Rue Bichat (ph) and Rue Albert (ph) in the 10th district of the French capital.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had huge gunshots and lots of glass coming through the window. So we ducked onto the floor with all of the other
diners.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This as evil ISIS vowing that it will attack Washington, D.C., next. With me, Drew Griffin. Also with me, Jake Wallis Simons. Buck
Sexton joining us, Mary Schiavo, CNN aviation analyst and aviation lawyer.
Jake Wallis Simons, I want to go back to you with this theory of an attack on Washington, D.C. Many people are saying there is no credible
threat. OK. They said that about Paris, when just before the Paris attacks, there was so much going on on social media, where terrorists were
showing pictures of the Eiffel Tower and wishing each other God`s blessings on their mission.
It`s so plain to see in retrospect, of course. So when we say there`s no credible threat on America or on D.C., I find that very difficult to
believe. We just saw the video, did we not?
SIMONS: That`s right. I mean, the one thing that we`re certain of is that there`s definitely a credible intention on the part of the ISIS
terrorists to attack Washington, D.C., as well as many other cities around America and around Europe and the world.
And I think the problem is that, you know, they`re trying to keep people calm. They`re trying to make sure people don`t panic. But the
problem is that people don`t see these things coming a lot of the time. I mean, people didn`t see 9/11 coming, for instance. People didn`t seem to
see Paris coming, even though like you say, there were signs on social media that these acts (ph) were building up.
And it does seem, I think, to normal people sitting at home, watching TV, reading news -- they feel that the threat is critical and what they
need is the security services to demonstrate what they`re going to do about it, how they`re going to stop these attacks from happening. It`s not good
enough to say that there`s no credible threat because, clearly, the intention is very credible indeed.
GRACE: To Drew Griffin, CNN senior investigative correspondent. Drew, while you have got France declaring war, we have the U.S. touting
tolerance. Let`s talk about what we do know. How many Syrians, refugees, do we believe are in our country right now? How were they vetted, and
where are they?
[20:20:06]GRIFFIN: Well, remember, these are all plans about the coming refugees and the 10,000 or so that we`re going to take in...
GRACE: Right.
GRIFFIN: ... according to the administration, next year, in the coming year. Many governors are now saying just today, Nancy, they don`t
want them. They don`t want them at all. National intelligence director Comey (sic) says, you know, it`s very hard, if these people are not on
watch lists, to vet them accurately.
So let`s just put that out on table. There is no foolproof method to bring in Syrian refugees and being able to know what`s intended in all of
their hearts and if any of them will eventually do bad.
But having said that, there are only about 1,500 or so Syrian refugees in this country right now. So it`s not a huge number, and supposedly,
these people have been vetted to the best of our authorities` abilities. But again, as your last commentator said, you don`t know what`s in these
people`s hearts. You can`t vet everybody`s evil intentions unless they have a proven track record. And that`s what I think the security forces
are dealing with right now.
GRACE: Well, would you agree with me, Drew, that many people believe, and with good reason, that there is the Syrian influx that`s an issue.
There are border problems, a problem, as well as flights in and out of our country.
You know, I`m want to throw that right off the bat, Drew -- hold on -- to Mary Schiavo, CNN aviation analyst. Mary, I mean, why is it that
terrorist gear, explosives, whatever they want to bring in cannot be brought in just as easily on a plane as drugs can? We`ve been fighting the
drug war for what, how many decades? And still, you get a sympathetic or paid airport employee, you get someone that outsmarts the system. I mean,
within the last 72 hours, a gun went right through the metal detector at Atlanta`s Jackson-Hartsfield, all right?
So what can we do about this that we haven`t been able to do about drugs?
MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, that`s right. You`re absolutely right, Nancy. And the reason for that is we have allowed
certain loopholes to persist in part because the airports and the airlines have insisted on those loopholes.
The TSA has responded to the 9/11 style of attack with additional bag screening and carry-on bag screening, but we still allow airport employees,
about a million of them, to report to work without going through that screening. We still allow cargo on the aircraft, and basically, that`s
"trust the shipper" kind of cargo.
And finally, if the explosive material is on the person, at some airports, we still just have metal detectors. Everybody had a fit about
the screening devices that showed your human form. So we have at some airports a full scanner and others a metal detector. So if it`s not metal,
you`re not going to set it off.
GRACE: Not everybody! Not everybody, Mary Schiavo.
SCHIAVO: Right.
GRACE: I didn`t complain. I was there in New York on 9/11. So I am...
SCHIAVO: That`s right.
GRACE: ... fine with the X-ray techniques.
Drew Griffin, she brings up the point of -- these substances, these people getting in the airplane. Then you`ve got the tanker issue, tankers
coming in. They`re virtually unchecked. And our borders, they leak like a sieve!
GRIFFIN: Nancy, it`s about keeping the people out who want to do harm because I think Mary would agree with me, once you`re in the United States,
getting the materials or the guns to pull off any kind of attack is really pretty easy. You don`t have to ship that stuff around on airplanes.
It`s trying to keep the people off the airplanes and to keep people from crossing the border that we know are terrorists, or people who have
fought in Syria and are coming back under orders to do harm.
And I think that`s where the intelligence officials are trying to focus on, make sure that we know who is going overseas, make sure we
identify who is trying to come back or who are trying to come back, and also in the meantime, trying to prevent all these homegrown terrorists who
are inspired by this nonsense, who are trying to pull off their own attacks, which they can easily do with stuff you can get right here in the
U.S. anytime.
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[20:28:06]UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): No problem. Defend your religion where you are. Kill them with knives and at least strike
them in the face. To all my brothers in France, I say carry out individual attacks. Be wolves on earth.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This as a new ISIS video vows to attack Washington, D.C., next, and any country that performs air strikes on Syria.
To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Just before the September 11 attacks, there was so-called increased chatter on the airwaves. We see
social media exchanges just before the Paris attacks.
How can we identify so-caused chatter? What is it? How do we identify it, and how do we use it to connect to an attack on the U.S.?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Nancy, you know, secret communication between our enemies has got a long history. I
mean, we go back to the Revolutionary War, they used invisible ink. Terrorists are well aware that cell phone communication is monitored.
They`re well aware their Internet communication is monitored. They`re just moving to something else.
I would not be quick to blame Playstation. Law enforcement does monitor the communications on Playstation.
(CROSSTALK)
LEVITAN: ... for kids...
GRACE: First of all, nobody is blaming...
LEVITAN: ... to communicate while they play games.
GRACE: ... Sony Playstation.
(CROSSTALK)
LEVITAN: I there what we`ve effectively done now by calling out Playstation is they`re going to drop that. They can go to something else.
You can`t monitor everything, Nancy. There`s so many levels of communication. I guess people have to be vigilant. I mean...
GRACE: To Jake Wallis Simons, associate global editor, Dailymail.com. Explain to me how it was completely ignored or overlooked, the increased
chatter and the social media comments, photos, salutations, wishing well, prayers before the Paris attack? How was that overlooked?
SIMONS: Well, I think that the answer is very simple. Well, there are two answers, really. The first one is that the authorities don`t know
how to deal with this rise of ISIS and the rise of this new horrible threat that`s worse than anything that we`ve seen before. And the second one is
that the threat is growing so fast, that our capabilities are not able to grow as quickly, and sometimes it`s down to journalists to give the
warning.
As I mentioned earlier in the program, one of my colleagues was able to buy a fake Syrian passport. And at the time, the forger said to him and
I quote, ISIS fighters are among the people going to Europe in this way. They are going to wait for the right time to become a fighter for ISIS
again. That was last September, and now we`re seeing the results of that.
Now, our security services are doing a great job in many ways. In the UK, they`ve foiled seven different plots in the last several months.
That`s a lot of plots. But the problem is, however fast they will run, the terrorists are expanding faster and faster. And what we need is more
capability and more determination and more leadership from the U.S. to deal with this growing threat.
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[20:36:00]
GRACE: Live, Indianapolis. After police raid the mansion of former Subway sandwich superstar Jared. Jared catapulted the multimillion dollar
giant to the stratosphere. Police raid his mansion for child porn. In the last hours, new secret recordings of Subway`s Jared trying to set up child
sex, asking friends would they let him see their children naked. Stunning development at this hour. One of Subway Jared`s victims breaks her silence
as the pervy frontman Jared Fogle demands the judge give him the minimum prison sentence.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He seemed okay at first. He seemed like a nice person. But as time progressed, it kind of got creepier and creepier.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you feel guilty because you enjoyed the attention?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. I do. I beat myself up over it. Every day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is from CBS and Poteski productions. Amazing, Alan Duke, we learned in the last hours Jared Fogle is actually asking the judge,
demanding the judge to sentence him to the lightest sentence possible. And he actually says, does he not, Alan Duke, editor-in-chief leadstories.com
that, you know, the sex I had with the underage victims, well, they were at the higher end. Some of them were in their teens. They were children, and
that is what he is claiming is the reason he should get the lightest sentence possible? Really?
DUKE: That`s part of it. That`s part of it. 16 and 17 -- and he paid for it. They`re also arguing that they`ve got this forensic
psychologist who is world renowned supposedly, who says the guy`s not really a pedophile who can`t be treated, he`s suffering alcohol abuse, and
I think hyper sexuality. So they`re trying to say there are mitigating factors. He shouldn`t be there for five years, longer than five, because
that would just delay his treatment and his recovery.
GRACE: His treatment. He also says, Ashley Wilcott, certified child welfare law specialist, that he is very much likely to not be a repeat
defender. Ashleigh, he already is a repeat offender. Because if you listen to the tapes we`re about to play, he has been through many, many
child sex victims. He has gone to other countries for child sex, such as Thailand, reportedly. He has asked people to see their children naked. He
already is a repeat defender. How dare he go in front of the judge and say, very low likelihood I`m going to be a repeat offender. He already is.
WILCOTT: He`s a pedophile. He even said that in one of the recordings. I`m a pedophile. He is. He`s had multiple victims. I don`t
care if the victims are 16 or 16 and 17. They`re children. They`re victims. He did repeat offend. There`s no excuse. He can get up to 50
years under the law under the discretion of the judge. Why not ask for more.
GRACE: Here she is describing her experiences with Russell Taylor, Jared`s partner.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You now know that what you thought was privacy was not private at all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not know there were hidden cameras or anything, and I wouldn`t have been okay with it. But by the rate he was
talking to us and just kind of manipulating us, so we thought it was okay.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As you look back now, what was he doing that crossed boundaries?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he was telling me that at 16, it was legal to have sex with anybody at any age. And he had me convinced to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Having sex with him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you were 16?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How does an adult bring that up to a 14-year-old girl?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He would just ask questions like openly, not really having a filter about anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: That is one of Subway Jared`s female victims that was a child at the time. That`s from CBS and Poteski Productions. Unleash the
lawyers. Alex Sanchez and Robin Ficker joining us. I want you to both hear Jared in his own words. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FOGLE: Will you let me see your kids naked?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Uh-huh.
FOGLE: Would it be okay?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure. They`re very comfortable.
FOGLE: How old are your kids again?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 10 and 11.
FOGLE: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Uh-huh.
FOGLE: A boy and a girl?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: I would loving to see them naked. We`re going to have so much fun, baby. We`re going to have so much if you please, you have no idea.
I would fly all three of us clear across the world if we need to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Like where?
FOGLE: To Thailand or wherever we want to go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes? Where would we have to go? Would we have to go away somewhere?
FOGLE: We could. (INAUDIBLE). Try to get some young kids with us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from CBS and Poteski Productions. Okay, Alex Sanchez, give me one good reason that this judge sentencing is set to go down.
We`ve got about 72 hours before sentencing. Judge Tonya Walton Pratt is the judge. Sanchez, one good reason she should listen to Jared and give
him the minimum sentence?
SANCHEZ: First of all, Nancy, I don`t know why anybody is surprised that he`s going to go on there and ask for the minimum sentence. Are you
or anyone expecting him to go and say, Judge, give me 40 years in jail? He`s there to protect his own interests.
GRACE: I would like to answer your own question. (inaudible). Could you cut his mic please, right now, and I`ll answer your question?
I would not expect him to do that. To ask for the maximum. But I would not expect him to outright lie and ask for the minimum. And my
question to you, Alex, you`re a veteran trial lawyer. Give me a reason he should not -- he should get the minimum. That`s what he`s demanding from
this judge that he will get the minimum, Alex.
SANCHEZ: First of all, there`s no demanding. You can request, you can plea. There`s no demanding of a federal judge. I am going to answer
the question. He only pled guilty to two separate charges. If the prosecution felt there was so much evidence against him, why didn`t they
indict him on 15 or 20 different charges?
GRACE: Robin Ficker, I`m going to throw you the same question. Maybe I can shake an answer out between the two of you. Robin Ficker, defense
attorney, Maryland. Sanchez, defense attorney New York. Ashley Wilcott, Atlanta. Ficker, give me one reason the judge should give Jared Fogle the
minimum. One good reason, please.
FICKER: Compensation. He`s giving over $100,000 to each of the number of victims. These kids are going to college free. That`s a good
thing. That should make us feel better.
GRACE: Put him up. So you`re telling me that gee, if you just let your minor child, let`s just say, you know, submit to child molestation, be
sodomized, that they could pay for maybe, you know, you go to an Ivy League, you might get a year and a half out of that 100 grand. I don`t
think that`s a very good tradeoff. Plus, are you taking into account, Robin Ficker, all of the children for instance in Thailand, all the other
children we haven`t found yet? He only paid off about ten children. So what are you even talking about?
FICKER: He`s not charged in any of these other cases, Nancy.
GRACE: True.
FICKER: This is a much better case than the average child molestation case. Here they can get a nice reward as a result of his heinous acts.
GRACE: You know what? To you two, I want you, Alex Sanchez and you Robin Ficker to take a listen to Jared Fogle.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You must go crazy in your travels because you get to go into all the different schools, all the different things like
that. I want you to -- I`m sure you have a lot of stories. I want you to tell me some of them so that, I don`t know, it just, I`d like to--
FOGLE: Yeah, especially some of the middle schools, I love the middle schools. The girls are starting to get [ muted ], you know. You know how
much I love [ expletive ].
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GRACE: That from CBS and Poteski Productions.
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GRACE: Live, Scottsville. A 7-year-old girl, Gabriella Doolan, goes missing from a peewee football game she`s at with her mom. Just 25 minutes
after reported missing, her little body is found in a nearby creek. Cause of death -- homicide. Breaking right now, police search for the killer.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are searching for a killer after the body of a 7-year-old girl was found dead in a creek behind a school, just
minutes after she was reported missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation is being handled by the detectives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who killed Gabby?
GRACE: To Ryan Metzker, reporter, WKCT. I don`t understand how she went missing to start off with. I`m going to get to to you about her body
and the condition of her body, how far away, the temperatures and everything surrounding that. How did she get away at a peewee football
game? She was there with her family?
METZKER: She was. There was actually about 300, 400 people there. It was a huge crowd. Championship really for that little league football
game. A lot of people there in that area.
GRACE: Ryan, how far away from the peewee football game is her body found?
METZKER: Actually, it was found in a wooded area right behind the high school, so about 20 to 30 feet really from that high school and from
the stadium.
GRACE: My stars. To Dr. Lee Norman, chief medical examiner, University of Kansas hospital. Dr. Norman, thank you so much for being
with us. Right now there`s a search for this girl`s killer. I want to help that search. You can help that search, Doctor. Explain to me what
should be happening right now and how the evidence in, on and around her body can be used to find the killer.
NORMAN: Well, the temptation in a homicide like this is to rush right to the body and to intervene, and one of the things that`s really critical
is to preserve the scene, to preserve all of the evidence possible. It will be a little bit of a difficulty if she was truly submerged into the
water, because that will have an adverse effect on some of the forensic evidence that can be found. But there will be lots of traces. There will
be everything from footprints to trace threads, and then of course things that can be in or on the body of this young child.
GRACE: And to you, Matthew Horace, senior VP, FJC security services, law enforcement expert. I`m wondering about surveillance video. I`m
wondering about whether any of this was being recorded. You know how even high school little league games very often those games are being recorded
by somebody. What would you advise we do now, Matthew?
HORACE: Nancy, law enforcement is doing exactly what you said. They`re looking at cctv camera video and they are interviewing everyone at
that game to determine if anyone saw that little girl leave with someone. They`re looking at the parking lot. They`re talking to police officers who
saw cars leaving. They`re doing all of that and more to try to locate who killed this young girl.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her body has been taken to Louisville. The medical examiner`s office there in Louisville in the morning or today will
do an examination to determine the manner and cause of the death. At this particular time, the investigation is being handled by the detectives at
our post, and it is being handled as a homicide.
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GRACE: We are just sick. This little girl goes to a peewee football game with her mom. A crowd of about 300 people there. She wanders off.
Her body is found in a creek dead. Just about 20 to 25 minutes later. Ryan Metzker, WKCT with us and Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist.
Dr. Saunders, we know there are about 25 sex offenders right in that area. We don`t know more than that. What`s your take?
SAUNDERS: This is a sadistic sexual offender. It happened very, very quickly. He had spotted her. He was waiting for her. He might have lured
her or groomed her and murdered her. We`ll know the details when the results of the autopsy are released whether there was a sexual element to
the crime.
GRACE: Ryan Metzker, WKCT, do we know a cause of death yet? Someone mentioned submerged in the water, but I`m not convinced of the cause of
death.
METZKER: Right now they can`t say cause of death at the moment due to the fact that it`s an open homicide case. We are awaiting for that.
GRACE: Matt Zarrell, what more do we know?
ZARRELL: One of the key pieces of evidence was the evidence found at the scene where the body was found. That`s what led investigators
immediately to suspect homicide.
GRACE: Everyone, the search on now. Tip line 800-222-5555. We remember American hero, Kentucky police officer Daniel Ellis, 33. Killed
in the line of duty. Eastern Kentucky grad, Richmond police, set to become a detective. Parents Kelly and Nancy. Two brothers, one sister. Widow,
Katie, son, Luke. Daniel Ellis, American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern, and
until then, good night, friend.
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