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Virginia Tech Students Eyed in 13-Year-Old`s Murder; Boyd of Missing Mom Of Two Found Decomposing Not Far From Her Upscale Home; Superstar Icon Madonna`s Custody Battle Over Son Rocco Explodes; Breaking News in The Search For Missing Indiana Co-Ed Lauren Spear. Aired 8-9p ET
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight. A 13-year-old school girl vanishes from her home, where her family finds a piece of furniture pushed
up against the girl`s bedroom door, dive teams searching a local pond.
Bombshell tonight. In a bizarre twist, focus now on two Virginia Tech University superstars, both engineer majors, one a track star, and the
girlfriend a NASA intern. Did one of them, the boy, lure the little girl on line and then the girlfriend mastermind stashing the body, dumping the
school girl beside a highway like she`s trash?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve located the remains of 13-year-old Nicole Madison Lovell.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two aspiring students at Virginia Tech...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eighteen-year-old David Eisenhauer is charged with Lovell`s abduction and murder.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nineteen-year-old Natalie Keepers helped bury the middle school girl`s body.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Missing mom of two Nique Leili`s body found unclothed, decomposing under leaves not far from her upscale home she shares with husband and two
daughters. Why wasn`t Nique reported missing immediately? Focus turning on Dad. Nique`s own daughters take to YouTube to defend him.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After she went missing, I called the police department and told them that they needed to look into Matthew Leili because I
suspected him of being a wife beater.
911 OPERATOR: (INAUDIBLE) County 911.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, my husband refuses to let me leave the house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Superstar icon Madonna`s custody battle over her son, Rocco, explodes as Madonna`s ex, British movie director Guy Ritchie, reportedly
lawyers up to take on Madonna, son Rocco refusing to come home to Mommy, blocking her from his Instagram.
In the last hours, did Madonna`s ex, Guy Ritchie, and son Rocco defy a judge`s order? Does son Rocco come home to Mommy Madonna in the U.S. ASAP?
The queen of pop jets to the U.K. to runaway son Rocco, as Madonna`s son apparently defies a judge`s order.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New details about Madonna`s custody battle over her 15-year-old son.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Madonna`s son, Rocco Ritchie, is reportedly refusing to return to the United States it see his mom. Now, Rocco is currently in
England with his dad, Guy Ritchie, and he wants to stay there.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, a 13-year-old school girl vanishes from her home. Her family finds a piece of furniture pushed up against the little girl`s
bedroom door, dive teams searching a local pond, but in a bizarre twist, focus now on two Virginia Tech University superstars, a boy and a girl,
both of them engineering majors, one, the boy, a track star, and his girlfriend a NASA intern.
Did one, the boy, lure the little girl on line, and then the girlfriend mastermind stashing the school girl`s body, dumping her beside a highway
like she`s trash?
Straight out now to Nick Valencia, CNN correspondent on the scene. Nick, what can you tell me about when the little girl goes missing?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, sometime Wednesday night that her parents discovered that -- her mom, I should say, discovered she went
missing. The police, as you mentioned, Nancy, found a piece of furniture pushed up against the door. And apparently, she left with only a bottle of
water and a blanket.
Whether or not she left on her own volition or she was taken from the home by 18-year-old David Eisenhauer, that is not clear. Of course, he`s being
charged not just with her murder, but also with her abduction.
And now news breaking over the weekend that Natalie Keepers, also a Virginia Tech student, involved in this little girl`s disappearance, that
she may have helped David Eisenhauer bury this little girl`s body...
GRACE: Oh!
VALENCIA: ... the decomposing remains...
GRACE: I want to take it from...
VALENCIA: ... about a hundred miles away from her home.
GRACE: ... the beginning to the end, and we`re starting with her disappearance because that is where we may find vital clues.
To David Points, Dr. David Points, news director WFJX Fox, joining me there in Roanoke. David, thank you for being with us. So the mom goes into the
little girl`s room. At first, they couldn`t get in because the door apparently barricaded with a piece of the little girl`s bedroom furniture.
The window was open.
[20:05:07]OK, this girl didn`t just dream this up, David Points. Is there any indication that she had been communicating with this Virginia Tech
University guy? What is his name, David Evan Eisenhauer?
DAVID POINTS, WFJX (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. Yes, it was David Eisenhauer. And it appears that there were on-line communications on one
of the social media outlets.
GRACE: Do we have any idea, David Point -- when you say social media outlet -- where was he communicating with this little girl?
POINTS: Facebook, and then there were some other side or off-the-wall type of activities, where students or young people can communicate and have
stories about themselves and develop friendships and relationships.-
GRACE: OK, hold on. Hold on. Let me understand something. I`ve got Nick Valencia with me, CNN correspondent, David Points from WFJX Fox.
Also with me, Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert out of Raleigh. Ben, what are they talking about? Is this like a chat room?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Well, Nancy, first thing you do when a teenager goes missing is you check their social media
and you find out who are they communicating with.
When police did this, the address that came back was a Virginia Tech address. That narrowed the field very quickly. From there, they were
probably able to pinpoint the exact computer and therefore the exact suspects that were communicating with her before she left.
GRACE: OK, my head is spinning, Nick Valencia, CNN correspondent, because this guy that they`re looking at, Eisenhauer, and the I think girlfriend,
Natalie Marie Keepers -- they`re superstars.
Liz, can you pull me up that sound of the boy, David Evan Eisenhauer. He`s like a track star. Look at this guy. He`s a track star. Here`s video
right here. And the girl, Natalie Marie Keepers -- both of them engineering majors. That`s not easy, number one. But she`s a NASA intern,
for Pete`s sake. She interned at NASA, Nick!
VALENCIA: I think perhaps the most troubling thing in this entire story is, how does a 7th grader develop a relationship with a freshman in
college? That`s exactly what police want to get to the bottom of, Virginia State police asking still for the public`s help. It was actually the
social media post that helped lead them to the suspect, David Eisenhauer.
Nancy, he was already in custody charged with her abduction when her remains were found Saturday afternoon. You mentioned this on-line dating,
flirting Facebook group that may have led to this relationship establishing between the two. Police have already said that they...
GRACE: You know...
VALENCIA: ... were acquainted before.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait! Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, hold on. I`m trying to take this one thing at a time to figure out how
they`re building the case up.
I mean, Ben Levitan, you just said Facebook. That`s how it started. Facebook is some kind of chat room, Levitan, right?
LEVITAN: Yes, you look -- you know, Facebook is well aware of who`s communicating with who. These are students at Virginia Tech. The address
they were communicating pointed back to Virginia Tech. It was an easy trail to follow back, Nancy.
GRACE: That brings me to the discovery of her body. David Points joining me, news director WFJX. How was the body discovered and where, David?
POINTS: The body was discovered just over in North Carolina in Surrey (ph) County. It was about 60 miles from where Nicole was last seen.
GRACE: 50 miles, 5-0. And what was the condition of her body, David?
POINTS: 60, approximately 60, 60 miles.
GRACE: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And what was the condition of her body?
POINTS: I don`t have the accurate report, but I understand that it was one that was not being appropriately to be discussed. It was a very
unfortunate situation, a saddening situation (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: Well, I`m sure about that, David. There`s never an appropriate discussion about a school girl`s body being found on the side of the road
chucked like it`s trash.
Michael Christian, let`s start at the beginning. Do we know whether the little girl was clothed or not?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): We don`t, Nancy. Police have not released that information.
GRACE: OK. Where is the body right now of this school girl?
CHRISTIAN: According to reports, it is in Roanoke, Virginia. There was an autopsy done on Monday.
GRACE: OK. Do we know the outcome of the autopsy? What`s the cause of death?
CHRISTIAN: Not yet. It has not been released.
GRACE: Well, you know, speaking sarcastically, have they been able to go out on a limb and deem that it`s homicide?
CHRISTIAN: Well, we do know one thing. We know that there was no firearm involved in her death because that`s in an arrest warrant.
GRACE: OK, no firearm. That means she was either stabbed, or most likely asphyxiated or strangled.
Joining me right now, special guest, president, founder of Klaas Kids Foundation Marc Klaas. Marc Klaas, I`m trying to get my head wrapped
around the discovery of the school girl`s body, thrown away like trash on the side of the road. And now two engineering majors, superstars from
Virginia Tech University under suspicion?
[20:10:11]MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, listen, I`m the father of a school girl whose body and remains were found by the side of the road.
I can tell you that I suspected he was exploiting her romantic vulnerabilities. This is a little girl who was reaching out on social
media for love, quite frankly. She wanted people to pay attention to her and she wanted people to tell her that she was pretty. He may very well
have done that and that may very well have kindled that relationship.
Now, as far as getting her to this location 60 miles away, I suspect they probably did some kind of cell phone triangulation once they were able to
make the connection between Eisenhauer and the young girl that apparently has helped him.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police divers spent four days in local waterways near Lovell`s Virginia home looking for the missing teen. But it was 100 miles
away in North Carolina where state police located her decomposing remains.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[20:15:09]GRACE: A stunning development in the case of a missing school girl, Nicole Madison Lovell. She goes missing. Her parents think that
she`s going to sleep. When they try and go get in her bedroom door, her door is shut and barricaded with a piece of furniture. Her window is open.
She has been lured out by a predator.
Now we find out, in a bizarre turn, that predator believed to be a star student at Virginia Tech University, an engineering major and track star.
Not only that, police now believe his accomplice is the girlfriend, a NASA intern. Why would she have gone along with disposing of this school girl`s
body, thrown away on the side of the road like she`s trash?
You`re seeing a shot right now of Nicole Madison Lovell, a 7th grader. And like Marc Klaas was just telling us, playing on this little girl`s
insecurities. We`ve been digging deep tonight and we find out this girl was being bullied at school, being made fun of because she`s overweight,
according to the other girls at school. She had scars on her body from a liver transplant. She had all sorts of bullying issues going on at school.
And then suddenly, from what we can tell, a guy, a boyfriend, in this little school girl`s mind, pays attention to her on line. And now her body
is found on the side of the road, just turned 13.
Straight out to Marc Klaas, president, founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. When you were saying she was looking for love as much as a 12 or 13-year-
old little girl can look for love, but when you factor in the bullying at school, people making fun of her because she`s overweight, according to
them, that she has scars on her body from a liver transplant, I mean, that just all factors into it, Marc.
KLAAS: Oh, there`s no question about that at all, Nancy. This is just so tragic, it makes my heart hurt just thinking about what that little girl
had to go through in life, what she had to endure. And then as you so rightfully stated it, a predator lured her out of her bedroom...
GRACE: Oh!
KLAAS: ... and into his arms, or I should say into his clutches. And the unfortunate result was her death.
GRACE: If you look at that picture right there, you can see a little scar right at where an Adam`s apple would be, right around the trachea. I bet
that`s what the girls were making fun of at school. Not only that, did I mention to you, Marc, the little girl had lived through lymphoma?
Liz, put up that quote from this child`s mother. "God got her through all of that. She fought through all of that, a liver transplant, MRSA,
Lymphoma. And this guy took her life. That evil bastard took her life."
Right now, we are still awaiting the cause of death from the medical examiner`s office. To Dr. Michelle DuPre, forensic pathologist joining me
out of Columbia. Dr. DuPre, what`s the hold-up?
DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, it`s likely because of the condition of the body. There was no outwards signs of trauma,
apparently, so we have to resort to other means to make an identification of what the actual cause of death was.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:23:13]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators found Lovell`s body in this general area. The teenager was last seen at her home in Blacksburg,
Virginia.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eisenhauer and Nicole were acquainted prior to their -- her disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Used this relationship to his advantage to abduct and then kill her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: In the last hours, the search for a little school girl, Nicole Madison Lovell, has taken a bizarre turn as her body is found thrown on the
side of the road like she`s trash, and focus turns on two very, very successful Virginia Tech University students, one of them a star student
and a star track member, the other a star student and a NASA intern, we believe girlfriend/boyfriend.
What do they want with a little girl just turned 13 years old? Why was she lured out of her bedroom to be killed? This little girl has been through
it all, bullied at school for being overweight, according to her mean girls school, a scar that made her susceptible to somebody like this pervy dude.
She had a liver transplant, and not only that, had suffered through MRSA and lymphoma. She fought through all that! Her mother helped her overcome
all of that to be killed by a child predator, someone you`d never suspect?
Was there any connection that we know of, David Points, news director, WFJX, between him and the little girl`s family, at church, did he tutor
her, any connection at all other than meeting on Facebook or a chat room?
POINTS: The investigation suggests that that was the chat room. That was the opportunity to communicate between Nicole and Eisenhauer.
[20:25:03]GRACE: Oh! Unleash the lawyers, high-profile defense attorney out of Seattle Anne Bremner joining us, and David Lee Windecher, defense
attorney out of Atlanta and author of "The American Dream: History in the Making."
OK, first to you, Anne Bremner. You do know that Virginia is a death penalty state, right? You do know that, correct?
ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I know that, Nancy.
GRACE: And you`ve got a felony and a murder. You`ve got kidnapping...
BREMNER: Right.
GRACE: ... and exploiting a child and the murder. So that means, ergo, that if a death happens during the commission of a felony...
BREMNER: Right.
GRACE: ... that`s felony murder.
BREMNER: You`re right, Nancy. I mean, absolutely.
GRACE: I`m just having a hard time. What about the mind of the girl? I see that as the weak link, Natalie Marie Keepers. If she helped him or
masterminded stashing the body...
BREMNER: Right.
GRACE: ... they might cut a deal for her to get the death penalty on him. That would be my guess, although I don`t think they need to cut deal.
BREMNER: (INAUDIBLE) I was thinking unlikely suspects, a couple of superstars. I wonder whether forensic evidence is in this case right no.
We`re starting with social media. I think we ended there.
But yes, Nancy, you`re right. They`re going to try and cut a deal with her because she`s guilty of, at the worst, of not disposing properly of a dead
body and/or rendering criminal assistance after the fact, which is (INAUDIBLE) felony.
GRACE: You know, Windecher, did you hear what Bremner just said, not disposing properly of a dead body. Boy, that`s certainly -- that`s
certainly putting perfume on the pig. Talk about...
(CROSSTALK)
WINDECHER: Nancy, I don`t agree with that position.
GRACE: ... not properly disposing of a body. You make it sound like we`re talking a mortician that dug in the wrong spot.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: No, we`re talking about a dead school girl -- and I`m wondering if she was molested -- who is lured out of her home with her mom after she
overcomes lymphoma, bullying at school, a liver transplant. Now she`s dead on the side of the road. I can`t tell if she was naked or not.
So they`re looking at the death penalty, Windecher. There`s no two ways about that.
WINDECHER: Nancy, they`re entitled...
GRACE: What?
WINDECHER: ... to a presumption of innocence. They didn`t make a statement. On top of not making a statement, there`s no witness statement
saying that they`re involved.
BREMNER: Right.
WINDECHER: Look, they haven`t said a single thing to any investigators. And on top of that, the most important thing here is going to be the
medical examiner report because if it comes back that this was a liver failure.
And without sounding too insensitive, based on all the bullying she was going through, we can`t rule out suicide. She knew she needed the
medication, and she left without it. Everybody`s saying she was abducted out of the house. Which abductor is going to take someone out of the house
and say, Hey, grab a bottle of water and a blanket in case you get cold? It makes no sense. She left on her own volition.
[20:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Missing mom of two, Nique Leili`s body found unclosed, decomposing under leaves not far from her upscale home she shared with husband and two
daughters. Why wasn`t Nique reported missing immediately? As focus is now turning on dad, Nique`s own two daughters. Take to YouTube to defend him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just saw a huge big pile then saw her body and her hair.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He not only covered up her body --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Naked, lying face down covered in leaves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he tried to cover it all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had 24-hour surveillance going at all times on their house and magically the morning that she disappeared, they were
turned off.
GRACE: Joining me straight on the scene is Mike Duffy. Mike, what have we learned in the last few hours about how Nique`s body was found?
MIKE DUFFY, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nique Leili was reportedly missing on July 9, 2011. A week later, a search party was organized to look for her
and that`s when her co-workers, Derek Simpson and Allison Rockwell came to this location. They were told to look for anything that might be
suspicious. Just minutes after they began their search, they arrived up at this location.
And what they saw was a pile of leaves and sticks that had been built up right in this location. Allison says that when she went over to that pile,
she brushed the leaves just a bit with her foot and she saw white bloated flesh. Then she says they saw Nique`s distinct golden blonde hair and
that`s when they knew that this was the final location of Nique Leili.
GRACE: Mike Duffy joining me on the scene where Nique`s body was found and it is not very far from the home she was sharing with her husband and their
two daughters. She got a third daughter from a previous marriage. You said something very, very important, Mike Duffy. Two things specifically stick
out in my mind, the part about the white bloated flesh.
That gives me an indicator as to how long Nique`s body had been there. Number one, that it was still a particular color of white, shade of white,
and that it was bloated. And number two, the fact that you said goldish brown hair. That says to me her hair was treated. You are seeing the inside
of the home right now.
Treated, which means that hair samples in the future, if they are found for instance in the husband`s car, they could be differentiated from her
children`s hair because her hair is treated in a particular way, maybe dyed, maybe frosted, maybe highlighted, that their hair is not.
Let me ask you another question, Mike Duffy. Aside from what we`ve learned about how and where her body was found, I`m very interested in -- oh,
everybody, you`re seeing inside the home. Some exclusive photos that we`ve obtained, some footage. Was there, Mike Duffy, any unusual behavioral
evidence on the husband`s part?
[20:35:30]DUFFY: One question that remains is what happened in the interval between the time Nique Leili went missing and when her body was ultimately
discovered. Now, Nique Leili`s family characterizes Matthew Leili in court testimony as being distant. They say that while he initially participated
in family conference calls his participation became less and less until he cut off all contact.
Keep in mind, Matthew Leili filed for divorce from his wife just two days after he reported her missing citing desertion as the reason. After that
point in time, Matthew Leili lawyered up, he cut off contact with police. He wouldn`t allow his daughters to speak with police and he would not
participate in searches.
GRACE: Mike Duffy, that`s very unusual behavior for someone when your wife, even if you`re angry, even if you`re starting a divorce proceeding, be you
completely stop talking to police about how to find her. I mean, this is the mother of your two daughters and the mother of a third daughter.
Doesn`t that mean anything in this scenario? What I`m really interested in, Mike, is information about this very elaborate spy system that he had
created to spy on his wife before she`s found dead.
DUFFY: One of the big players in court thus far has been Matthew Leili`s extensive surveillance system. Crime scene investigators say when they
arrived here they found 21 cameras both inside and outside the property. Every post on that porch behind me had a camera on it. Every corner of the
house has not one, but two cameras catching every angle around the house.
Now, Matthew Leili`s brother-in-law says in court testimony that anyone who came to this property knew they were being recorded 24/7. So, why the day
Nique Leili went missing were all the security cameras turned off?
GRACE: Okay, that`s just downright creepy. Recording everybody in the home 24/7 and isn`t it true, Matt Zarrell, we`ve now learned that inside the
home -- I think we were just showing the photo of the den that we have obtained, guys. Isn`t it true, Matt, that there is actually a spy cam like
inside the big screen TV looking right at the sofa? Isn`t that crazy?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yeah and next to the -- attached to the wall unit that houses the TC, there`s a camera and the camera is focused
directly on the family couch where the family sits and watches TV. There it is right there.
GRACE: Okay, I was just looking at all that equipment, all that spy equipment, everyone, what you are about to see is extremely disturbing.
Graphic information. These photos are of the body. That is a photo of Nique Leili`s body. Look how it was covered up with leaves. Intentionally covered
up with leaves.
Now, at the beginning -- hold that photo -- on that photo you see she was almost totally covered up with leaves when her body was found. That is so
significant. This shows she did not commit suicide. We don`t have a cause of death on this. She didn`t kill herself. Because how could she kill
herself and then cover her own body up with leaves.
GRACE: Right now to breaking news in the search for missing Indiana co-ed Lauren Spear. Lauren last seen leaving a restaurant near her college
campus. Is there a break in the case? Justin Freiman, what do we know?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, we know that there is a search going on in the home. The home is Justin Wagner, it is believed to be and
he has actually been in trouble with the law before and they`re hoping that this will lead to this young girl`s body, who has been missing since 2011.
[20:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband won`t (ph) to let me leave the house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think my wife just (ph) police
UNIDENTIIED FEMALE: Searchers found her naked body in some woods near the couple`s home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were in love and my dad loved my mom. He still does and she was always happy with him.
GRACE: Joining me right now, Scott Kimbler, reporter with Newsradio 106.7. Scott, thank you for being with us. What do we know about the husband
cloning Nique`s beeper?
SCOTT KIMBLER, REPORTER NEWSRADIO 106.7: Yes, Nancy. We learned that from the first wife who testified or said about a beeper that he gave her was
cloned so that every time she got a page, he would get that page as well and also, who it came from. So, he was very much into monitoring his first
wife, according to her.
GRACE: So this is the ex-wife, Scott Kimbler, so when he was married to the ex-wife, according to her, without her knowledge, he cloned her beeper?
KIMBLER: Yes. And he also -- she also described him at one point as a dominating husband who just kept up with everything and the beeper just
being the beginning of that.
[20:45:00] GRACE: So, Ben Levitan, you heard what Scott Kimbler just said. If you can -- A, if you can give it to me, dummy down for me Ben. How do
you clone a beeper? Beepers are over now. Now it is cell phones. Can you clone a cell phone?
LEVITAN: Well, think of this as text messaging, Nancy. When someone -- when you send someone a text message, you put in their phone number and send the
message and the cell phone networks takes care of sending that over the air. And it gets received by your friend`s phone because that`s the number
of the phone. And you expect that to be private.
What people do and what he has done in this case is made several copies of her phone so that when the cell phone network sends out -- was sending her
text messages, and it was looking for a phone with her phone number, it found several of them. And so, he was able to get a copy of every single
text message or page that she received.
GRACE: Now let me understand this, you`re saying, Ben, not that he just could go on and hack into her -- now I`m talking about the wife, the dead
wife, Nique Leili. That not just hacking on and looking at her texts and what calls she makes, you`re saying that he could actually get them
contemporaneously at the same time she gets the messages, he could get the messages?
LEVITAN: Exactly, Nancy, by making a cloned phone. What he did probably in this case, there`s plenty of services out there that parents can put
software on their kid`s phone so that every time your kid gets a text message, you can see it. Also, the parents can track your kid anytime. AT&T
has something called Family Map and it is made for parents to watch their children.
In this case, it seems like he put this type of application on his wife`s phone so he could track her like a child, Nancy.
GRACE: Unleash the Lawyers, Anne Bremner, high-profile Seattle lawyer, David Lee Windecher, out of Atlanta. First to you Anne Bremner, so, isn`t
it quite the coinkydink,
BREMNER: Coinkydink, you can say it.
GRACE: That he brags to his own father-in-law, of all people, that he knows what`s going on 24/7. Every single place Nique is.
BREMNER: He knows that.
GRACE: Because he is surveilling her. And now we find out that he cloned his ex-wife`s beeper. Now, she turns up dead and another coinkydink, the
spy network he set up in his home suddenly goes dead, goes black. All right, just before she goes missing and then poof, it comes back into
service right after she`s gone. Isn`t that odd?
BREMNER: Well, all a coinkydink, Nancy. But the thing is I`s like creepy is as creepy does and that`s basically what you`re saying here. I mean, so,
he does some creepy things -- creepy with capital K is all I can say. But the fact is, this ex-wife, which she`s talking about that happened 20 years
ago, Nancy. Twenty years ago, I mean I`m a different person than I was 20 years ago. We all are because it`s completely ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: No, you`re not. You`re exactly the same.
BREMNER: Oh, exactly the same, okay.
GRACE: The only thing that has changed is the lipstick. Okay, because they quit making it.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know, I don`t call it creepy is as creamy does as Bremner just said. What it is called under the law is similar transactions.
BREMNER: Twenty years.
GRACE: That`s what that`s called.
DAVID LEE WINDECHER, ATLANTA LAWYER: Yeah but the ex-wife also said he never hit her, he never was violent with her.
GRACE: (ph) Really?
WINDECHER: Yes, that`s what she said.
GRACE: You want to bring that up, all right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Let`s talk about that. Isn`t it true, Mike Duffy, that -- Windecher`s right, the ex-
wife never said that he actually beat her. But isn`t it true, the ex-wife has said under oath, that he pinned her to the floor?
DUFFY: His ex-wife said that he did pin her to the floor. She said that his behavior was highly aggressive. And like you said, he did control her phone
behavior as well.
GRACE: David Lee Windecher, so yes, she doesn`t say he beat me, but he pinned her to the floor. He monitored all of her movements and he cloned
her beeper. And your defense is, well he didn`t beat her in the face.
WINDECHER: Well, I mean he is insecure, but that doesn`t make him a murderer.
GRACE: Insecure, okay. Whoa, Greg Cason, pinning someone to the floor is not insecure. That`s a crime.
GREG CASON, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, absolutely, that`s a crime. That`s a controlling behavior and that is analogous to any kind of domestic abuse.
Any woman that goes through that with a man should be afraid. He feels completely out of control that`s why he taking these controlling actions.
Pinning her to the floor is abuse.
[20:50:00] GRACE: I want to warn you that the photos you are about to see are graphic and very disturbing. A search party goes out looking for Nique
Leili`s body and this is what they found. This is after some of the leaves have been removed. They say they found a slight bloated flesh
body, the hair gold and brown. Why that is so significant to Dr. Michelle DuPre, I`m very, very disturbed about this autopsy I`ve got right here in
my hand because the autopsy in my mind is not on point, and I`ll tell you why.
It says that it basically suggests homicidal violence. Okay, Dr. Dupree, how could she have an accident and die and then cover her whole body up
with leaves? Liz, if you could show me the picture where she`s almost totally covered up with leaves. Okay, that`s impossible. So, she did not
kill herself and hide her own body. Obviously, this is a homicide. True, we may not know exactly how she was asphyxiated, but there is very deep
bruising in the muscles around the neck. I disagree with this. I`d bring in my own expert. To heck with that.
DUPRE: Nancy, again, because of the state of the body, it`s often difficult to tell the exact cause of death. But I agree with you on some cases. It is
most likely strangulation, but because we cannot prove that, we say that it is undetermined. What that does --
GRACE: I understand that, but Dr. DuPre, I understand undetermined. I understand I don`t know if he poisoned her, I don`t know if she OD on gamma
hydroxybutyrate, which was in her system. I don`t know if he strangled her ligator, but to say it`s suspicious -- it`s suspicious, really? Like she
killed herself and then covered herself up and then buried her own body? Impossible!
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GRACE: Superstar icon Madonna`s custody battle over son Rocco explodes as Madonna`s ex, the British movie director Guy Ritchie, reportedly lawyers up
to take on Madonna, her son refusing to come home, even blocking her from Instagram. In the last hours, the queen of pop jets to the U.K. to runaway
son Rocco as apparently he defies a judge`s order.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Madonna`s son Rocco Ritchie is reportedly refusing to return to the United States to see his mom. Now, 0Rocco is currently in
England with his dad Guy Ritchie, and he wants to stay there, but Madonna actually went to court to force him to come home.
GRACE: Alan Duke, editor-in-chief LeadStories.com, wasn`t the boy, the son Rocco, supposed to be here at the beginning of January in the U.S. with his
mom?
ALAN DUKE, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF LEADSTORIES.COM: Yes, the first week of January when his private school started back. They`ve got a court hearing on
Wednesday, but get this. If he comes back, she`s not going to be there. She`s about to leave for six weeks to Asia for about 22 shows just about
every night. She`s not going to be there to wake up every morning with him.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Wake him up. What is it with you? Did anybody ask you? I mean no offense. I ask you why wasn`t he back pursuant to the judge`s order, a U.S.
judge. That`s what I asked you and you just can`t wait to take a dig at Madonna.
DUKE: He doesn`t want to be in New York alone.
GRACE: She`s got a job, she has to work at night.
DUKE: His mom is going to be in Taipei on Thursday. Why does he need to be in New York? Then she goes Tokyo and then she goes to Hong Kong.
GRACE: Why are you sticking your nose in? What do you know about their interworking? You know what, Alan Duke,
DUKE: I have her tour schedule right here, I`m looking at it and she`s got to be there. She`s not going to be a hologram either in New York or in
Asia.
GRACE: I`m starting to think you may be a misogynist. Michael Griffith, question.
DUKE: I was a single dad and I raised a little kid while I worked and I know how it is so, I feel for her, but I also know once you`re 15, you
don`t want to travel around the world. You want to a stable -- he wants to be with his dad.
GRACE: Are you Michael Griffith? No, you are not. You are not. You are not an international law attorney.
DUKE: No, but I was a single dad and father and I understand this.
GRACE: You`re the editor-in-chief of LeadStory.com. Michael, what`s going to happen? A U.S. judge ...
MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY: Right.
GRACE: ... ordered him home. Now, she`s going to the U.K. to try to get Rocco back. What`s happening?
GRIFFITH: Greetings from Key West Nancy. Here`s the deal, under the Hague Convention, the New York court order has to be enforced in England. This
kid is only 15 years old. He`s a minor. He`s not the captain of the ship. If the order says she has to go back to New York, it doesn`t matter whether
she`s going to Taipei or the North Pole, he has to go back to New York. And if Guy Ritchie is involved in this (ph) then he could be held in contempt.
GRACE: I mean you`re not kidding. If Madonna gets wind that her son is over in the U.K. Breaking every single rule she`s ever set up for him, you know
all H-E-L-L is going to break loose. Okay, so Madonna jets to U.K. Custody battle explodes. That`s what we know. And thank you, single dad, Alan Duke
-- like you`re the only one -- no offense.
Let`s stop and remember American hero, Illinois officer Adam Conrad, just 22, killed in the line of duty, served Marion County Sheriff, correctional
officer, volunteer firefighter, loved baseball, the St. Louise Cardinals, an organ donor. Parents Charlie and Beverly, brother Andy. Adam Conrad,
American hero.
Thank you for being with us tonight, for letting us come into your homes. Nancy Grace signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern.
And until then, good night friend.
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