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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Jodi Arias`s cold-blooded slaughter of lover Travis Alexander after an all-day sex marathon -- stabs

Travis 29 times, shoots him in the head, leaves him slumped over in a shower stall. Why? Because he`s taking another woman on vacation.

Bombshell tonight. Jodi Arias busted slamming a female jail warden with a female sex slur. This as it comes to light a male juror with a crush on

Arias allegedly blocks the death penalty.

Tonight, with us live in his very first prime-time exclusive, ace prosecutor Juan Martinez on the eve of his blockbuster book, "Conviction:

The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars," hits the stands. He`s got all the details the jury never hears, like an emergency bikini shopping

trip post-murder and Arias picking up a brand-new man on the flight home from Travis`s memorial.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: I think I`m more focused on your posture and your tone and your anger.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: It`s again the prosecutor`s fault because you perceive him to be angry, right?

ARIAS: I think that was a compound question.

MARTINEZ: Again, do you have a problem with memory?

ARIAS: Occasionally. When I`m under stress, yes, it affects my memory.

MARTINEZ: I thought you said your relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful?

ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.

MARTINEZ: The encounter involving the pop rocks and Tootsie Pops also includes braids, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

MARTINEZ: So you enjoyed those braids, right?

MARTINEZ: You know what I really liked was (INAUDIBLE) braids.

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Oh, I loved the braids.

MARTINEZ: Well, show me. Show me the linebacker pose. That`s what I`m asking for you to do.

ARIAS: He went like that and he turned his head and he grabbed my waist.

MARTINEZ: Just like that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: A school girl found dead, focus on two V Tech superstars, engineering majors, track star, NASA intern. No spur-of-the-moment

killing, V Tech students planning the girl`s murder three weeks.

Tonight, disturbing questions. Are the two getting special treatment? Just in, exclusive new video of the V tech killers, cool as cucumbers. And

tonight, we learn the male V tech student lures the little girl, telling her they`ll run away, marry and have children. Instead, she gets her

throat slit.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Virginia Tech students David Eisenhauer and Natalie Keepers plot to kill 13-year-old Nicole Lovell over a fast food meal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can it go from, you know, me and my happy little girl, you know, to how she was murdered just a few days later?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. Jodi Arias`s cold-blooded slaughter of lover Travis Alexander after an all-day sex marathon -- stabs him 29 times, shoots him

in the head, leaves him slumped over dead in a shower stall. Why? Because he`s taking another woman on vacation.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Jodi Arias busted slamming a female jail warden with a sex slur as it comes to light a male juror with a crush

on Arias blocks the death penalty.

And with us live tonight in his very first primetime exclusive, you know him well, crack prosecutor Juan Martinez. And tonight is the eve his

blockbuster book, "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars," hits the stands tomorrow morning. He`s got all the details

the jury never hears, including an emergency bikini shopping trip post- murder and picking up a brand-new man on the flight home from Travis`s memorial.

Mr. Martinez, we`ve waited a long time to talk to you. And can I tell you, our e-mail box has been being blasted ever since last week, when we found

out you could join us in our Manhattan studios. Thank you for being with us.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTED JODI ARIAS: Thank you for having me. It`s a pleasure.

GRACE: If you had to put it all in one word, what was your feeling when the Jodi Arias trial was done?

MARTINEZ: Satisfied.

GRACE: Satisfied.

MARTINEZ: I was satisfied that it was done. I had done what needed to be done and put her in prison.

GRACE: You know, a lot of people believe that prosecutors feel jubilation, elation, they go out and party when you get a conviction. I never found it

that way. I just always felt relieved. Like, Phew, OK, one down, 500 to go.

[20:05:10]MARTINEZ: That`s absolutely it. You can`t live in the past. You have to live in the present or the future. Other than that, you won`t

get anything done.

GRACE: You know, this latest -- and Liz, somebody tell me -- I want to hear the very latest of Jodi Arias is now slamming Juan Martinez going out

with his book. And I fully believe -- she`s taken to Facebook with whoever her minions are that do her bidding, trashing him for writing this book.

And oh, here we go! "Reality check in order as Juan" -- I didn`t know you were on a first-name basis -- "begins peddling his book, making

appearances, patting himself on the back for a job well done."

OK, thanks, Jodi Arias. "Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan`s lies made on record over the years in a court of law."

Well, the reality is that anything you`ve ever said in court is a public record.

MARTINEZ: That`s correct.

GRACE: Anything you`ve ever done. But I don`t want to talk about her hashtags because she will text and Facebook until the cows come home.

I want to talk about your book. It`s awesome, "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars." I found out so much in here.

During the trial, we would say, Why is he doing this? Why is he doing that?

First of all, she`s calling a female warden -- I can`t say it on TV -- a C- O-C-K blocker. I`ve been told I couldn`t say the two words put together. And she said she had no idea that C-O-C-K blocker was a sex term. Can you

see your monitor? Do you see Jodi Arias right there, one of her many, many nude shots. And take a listen to Jodi Arias on her sex tape.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ARIAS: I was totally tired and I was asleep, and I would have been completely content just cuddling with you once we got into bed, but you had

another agenda! But I don`t mind receiving while you`re doing the kissing. So I, like, I was (INAUDIBLE) And so aside from all those warm, fuzzy

feelings, but like, it was so sexy. And I was so hot and oh, gosh!

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: So knowing what you know, what do you make of her ascertations (ph). She`s been put in virtual isolation because of slamming a female

warden with a sex slur. But she said she didn`t know it was sexual.

MARTINEZ: Well, that`s what she says, isn`t it. She said a lot of things during the trial, and that`s the problem with dealing with her. Whatever

she says always has to meet her criteria. So what she says doesn`t really mean much because sometimes -- or most of the time, she has a problem with

the truth, as we saw in the trial.

GRACE: Why do you believe that she isolated you, you were the subject of all -- so -- not all, because I got hit a couple of times. You were the

subject of all of her hate, all of her ire. It never dawned on her she had anything to do with it.

MARTINEZ: That`s right. I was the person that actually was holding her accountable. It didn`t seem that in her past that many people had held her

accountable for what she had done. And so it appeared that I was probably the first person that had actually brought her deeds out to light so that

we could discuss them.

GRACE: You know, you talk about an emergency bikini shopping trip. Was this right after she murders Travis Alexander, which is -- it was like a

slaughterhouse, that crime scene. Tell me about the bikini shopping trip.

MARTINEZ: The trip that she actually took to buy the bikinis was after she attended his memorial service.

GRACE: Oh.

MARTINEZ: On the way home from Sacramento, she actually stopped to buy the bikinis and was actually late for her -- to attend a dinner at her sister`s

house.

GRACE: So let me understand this. Everyone, with me is Juan Martinez, the author of "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars."

As you know, he went it alone, solo prosecuting the death penalty case, extremely difficult to do. He did it. He had a trusty investigator with

him, but long story short, he single-handedly brought Jodi Arias to justice.

You know, did the jury ever hear about the bikini shopping trip?

MARTINEZ: No, they didn`t. It really didn`t have anything to do with the killing. This happened afterwards. It may have spoken to her state of

mind...

GRACE: Juan! Juan! OK, see, my theory was, put it all in and let the jury decide what they think is relevant or not relevant. And the fact that

she murders him brutally -- I mean, those crime scene photos -- Liz, show me the crime scene photos, please. The crime scene photos, so many times,

I would have to actually turn away.

[20:10:05]This is Travis`s blood in the bottom of the shower, his bathroom -- the one that bothered me the most was not his body, actually, it was the

photo of the blood drops at the bathroom sink...

MARTINEZ: On the sink, the vanity.

GRACE: ... because by the formation of the drops, as you pointed out in court so dramatically, he came out of the shower or he was stabbed, and he

looks at himself in the mirror, and he`s bleeding downward. And he sees himself dying. That is the one...

MARTINEZ: And he sees the person who`s killing him, also...

GRACE: Exactly.

MARTINEZ: ... in the reflection of the mirror.

GRACE: And then she goes to the memorial, dressed all sexy, and then goes out bikini shopping. To me, that all goes to frame of mind.

MARTINEZ: Well, but it`s frame of mind after the killing. So I didn`t want to create any issues on appeal. I didn`t want anybody to say, Well,

Juan Martinez had been unfair in his presentation...

GRACE: Well, they said that anyway.

MARTINEZ: And they`ll continue to say that.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Yes, they will.

MARTINEZ: But I wanted -- from a court of appeals perspective, I didn`t want them to think that somehow I had been unfair. So I actually watched

what I did and I made sure that I gave her...

GRACE: You know, you`re so much better of a prosecutor than I was. I mean, I just put it all out if I could and let them work it out in the

appellate division. So that`s why the bikini shopping trip never came in, you were worried about that on appeal.

MARTINEZ: Right. Right. Right.

GRACE: Now, what -- so we`ve read a lot about a male juror having somewhat of a crush on Jodi Arias?

MARTINEZ: I don`t know anything about that. I`ve also read the story, and I think it came from one of the other jurors, but I really don`t know

anything about it. I don`t even know who it is.

GRACE: Yes, it was a male juror, apparently, that has been talking to other jurors.

Everybody, there is another story. Juan Martinez kept a secret for over four years. But listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: (SINGING) -- oh, night divine, oh, night, when Christ was born. Oh, night divine, oh, night...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[20:16:13]ARIAS: I think so.

MARTINEZ: Well, we don`t want you to think. Do you have a problem with your memory? I mean, this was approximately no more than two weeks away.

ARIAS: I don`t think I have a problem.

MARTINEZ: But you don`t remember things that happened two weeks -- within two weeks, do you.

ARIAS: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I don`t remember if I gave you the details...

MARTINEZ: So the answer is yes or no. Do you remember?

ARIAS: Remember what?

MARTINEZ: What are we talking about? You can`t even remember what you just said! Ma`am, were you crying when you were shooting him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember!

MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember!

MARTINEZ: How about when you cut his throat? Were you crying then?

ARIAS: I don`t know!

MARTINEZ: So take a look then. And you`re the one that did this, right?

ARIAS: Yes!

MARTINEZ: And you`re the same individual that lied about all this, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

MARTINEZ: So then take a look at it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: It`s hard not to get sucked into someone so attractive, seemingly so defenseless, crying, her nose running. Yes, that was all a big lie. In

fact, that was at least the third scenario that she had told about the brutal murder of her lover, Travis Alexander, stabbing him 29 times,

shooting him in the head because after an all-day sex marathon, she finds out he`s still taking his girlfriend on a trip to Cancun, and she blows a

gasket and kills him. But it was very well planned.

With me right now, the man you`ve all wanted to talk to -- and thank you for your e-mails. I`m going to try to get to those questions. Juan

Martinez is with us, on the eve his book hits the stands. And it is "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars" from the

man that went solo, trying this death penalty case, Juan Martinez.

Again, thank you for being with us. I`ve got so many questions. I`m just going to fire them rapidfire at you.

MARTINEZ: OK.

GRACE: So let`s start with the digicam, the digi-camera. Now, how did that happen? She was actually taking all of these sex pictures and

inadvertently took crime scene photos?

MARTINEZ: Well, the camera actually took three inadvertent photographs, and she did have the frame of mind to go ahead and delete them, but she

didn`t take the camera with her.

GRACE: Oh, wait, here`s one right here. Whoa, whoa, whoa! Liz, hold that, please. This is in so much more detail. These photos in your book

are in so much more detail than the ones I saw in the courtroom.

Now, this is Travis`s body, and what is -- is that her -- that`s her foot and her leg! Wait a minute! I have never seen it in that detail. Holy

smokes! So how did that happen, Juan?

MARTINEZ: Well, in this one, it appears that she dropped the camera as she was lifting his arm to drag him down...

GRACE: I hate it when that happens. Right when you`re trying to get rid of a dead body, too.

MARTINEZ: And you see the blood, as he`s bleeding out. If we now remember what she said at her sentencing, that -- he was still alive when this

cutting of the throat took place.

GRACE: OK, wait. I didn`t know that.

MARTINEZ: That`s what she said at the time of sentencing.

GRACE: So in this photo, he was still alive.

MARTINEZ: Right. It`s a new memory for her.

GRACE: Oh, oh! You know what? That actually makes my chest hurt.

Now, when did you -- going into this, you didn`t realize, I don`t think, that you had the digicam photos. When did you find out that she had

actually taken inadvertent pictures of the crime scene?

MARTINEZ: Well, we had them before I actually charged her, and that was the reason that I ended up charging her...

[20:20:03]GRACE: OK...

MARTINEZ: ... because without them, we really couldn`t put her there on...

GRACE: That`s what it was? Really?

MARTINEZ: Right. Because with regard to biological substances, such as blood, you don`t know when they were left behind. I mean, you can`t date

blood. You can`t date a fingerprint. So the camera itself showed us or showed me that on the date that he was killed, she was there.

GRACE: Everyone, joining us is Juan Martinez. We are talking about all the facts in evidence in his new book, "Conviction: The Untold Story of

Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars," that we now know that the jury never heard.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Not that I remember.

ARIAS: I don`t remember that part.

I don`t remember.

I don`t remember.

I don`t know.

I don`t know.

I don`t know.

I don`t remember.

ARIAS: Your memory issues (INAUDIBLE) talking about, right?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

I don`t know.

I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[20:25:00]GRACE: What a night! Joining us here in our Manhattan studios, the man we`ve all wanted to talk to, but we couldn`t, Juan Martinez is with

us on the eve his blockbuster hit makes the stands, "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars," including so many details, true

details this jury never knew.

Juan, I want to talk about the secret that you kept for four years.

MARTINEZ: You`re talking about the gas cans.

GRACE: Yes.

MARTINEZ: And it`s something that I came across, and I realized that as part of her trip to Mesa, she actually planned to use three gas cans so

that she wouldn`t have to fill up in Arizona, and so that...

GRACE: OK, hold on. Hold that picture right there. And the significance to us on the outside looking in is that Jodi Arias ultimately ended with a

defense that she was under attack by her lover, Travis Alexander, that he had been abusing her, beating her.

But Juan Martinez digs up in documents, deep in thousands of documents, evidence, evidence that she had borrowed two gas cans, filled them up with

gas before she went on her trip to see Travis Alexander, to obscure -- hide -- her trip.

Why was that so critical, Juan?

MARTINEZ: Because it shows that she was planning the trip, that it wasn`t spur of the moment. Additionally, on the trip, to make sure that she had

more than enough gas, she actually stopped at a store and bought a third gas can. And so it was in receipt that she just happened to have.

It didn`t indicate that it was a gas can. It indicated something else. But in checking, that`s what it turned out to be.

GRACE: How did you go through Walmart records to prove that was a third gas can? And why did you suspect -- did you think, did you count it out,

and compare the miles and realize she couldn`t do it on a tank of gas and two gas cans?

MARTINEZ: Right. That`s what I did. And so I believed that there was another gas can out there.

GRACE: Wow.

MARTINEZ: And I found it.

GRACE: So you just believed it and you found it. How did you get that information from Walmart? Because it was not on the receipt.

MARTINEZ: Well, on the receipt, it indicated it was something like Kero -- K-E-R-O -- carb (ph). It didn`t indicate that it was a gas can, so I

called them up and asked them what is this item. I also asked them what were the other items, too. So they were able to tell me, Oh, no, what that

is is a gas can.

GRACE: What were the other items?

MARTINEZ: Something for her face, something like that.

GRACE: So you went through all that to prove she filled up her tank and she filled up three gas cans of gas to travel in secret. In other words,

she wouldn`t have to stop for gas. She wouldn`t be spotted. She wouldn`t turn up on surveillance video. Nothing.

And how many miles of desert did she cross in secret to get to Travis and murder him?

MARTINEZ: Approximately 400 miles.

GRACE: You know, one thing I`ve always wanted to ask you -- and of course, I`d see you in court, but I knew I couldn`t speak to you or the defense

would go haywire. What do you think was her real motive for killing him? Because it was very well planned.

MARTINEZ: You know, there`s this old cliche, and so I`m not going to take ownership of it, but if you can`t -- if she couldn`t have him, nobody else

would. And so she wanted him. He didn`t want to be with her. And he didn`t want to marry her, either. I mean, that was one of the...

GRACE: That was the big blow. After all those months of crazy, freaky sex, he did not want to marry her. He wanted to date other people.

MARTINEZ: Right.

GRACE: I always thought it was because she tried to convince him during this all-day sex marathon for him not to go on that Cancun trip with the

other woman.

MARTINEZ: That could be part of it. But to me, the bigger one is that he wouldn`t marry her. And if you`re not going to marry me...

GRACE: So he had to die.

MARTINEZ: That was enough for her, right.

[20:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTED JODI ARIAS: You don`t know if you killed him, right?

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED KILLER: I can`t really say. It wasn`t in my mind. It`s like a -- it was kind of not there.

MARTINEZ: Did you just tell me previously that you knew that Mr. Alexander was dead?

ARIAS: It`s hard to -- it`s hard to explain.

MARTINEZ: Ma`am, what is hard to explain about a person breathing or not breathing? What is so difficult -- why is that a difficult concept for you?

ARIAS: Because I never killed anyone before.

I know that I`m innocent. God knows I`m innocent. Travis knows I`m innocent. No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: I absolutely did not kill Travis Alexander. I had nothing to do with his murder. I didn`t harm him in any way. I witnessed Travis being attacked

by two other individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

ARIAS: I don`t know who they were. I couldn`t pick them out in a police lineup.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what happened?

ARIAS: They came into his home and attacked us both. I`m not proud that I just left my friend there to be slaughtered at the hands of two other

people. I`m not proud of that at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, CNN HEADLINE NEWS HOST: That`s from "Inside Edition" and those words turned out to be a big fat lie. With us tonight, the man you`ve all

wanted to speak to, Juan Martinez, is joining us.

He tried that case so low, a death penalty trial. And tonight is the eve before his book hits the stands, "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting

Jodi Arias Behind Bars".

You know, that just kills me, that question you asked. "So you don`t know if you killed him, right?" And you said that with totally a straight face.

What were you getting at?

[20:35:00] MARTINEZ: She was -- just to show that even the things that she should admit, she was going to deny. She wasn`t going to give anybody a

straight answer, even as to something that she should admit. There was no doubt that she had killed him. She was claiming self-defense. Yet she was

saying that she wasn`t sure he was dead.

GRACE: What did you ever make of Jodi Arias` fog? Remember, this was - "I`ll never forget until the day I die."

She was describing after she murders Travis Alexander and she goes on this debacle through the desert and she says at some point she looks down and

her hands, you know, she`s got to see her hands and blood under her fingernails and she says she still doesn`t realize what happened.

And she suddenly snaps to when she gets to her next boyfriend, Ryan Burns, and physically mounts him. Actually jumps on him. What did you make of the

fog?

MARTINEZ: That -- that it was a lie, obviously, something that she`s made up. Whatever anything was asked of her that was problematic, always

resorted to something -- have a problem with my mind or maybe it`s the fog.

GRACE: Or maybe it`s your fault because you`re yelling at her.

MARTINEZ: Right.

GRACE: You know, you took a lot of heat for raising your voice.

MARTINEZ: I did, but I wasn`t going to be her court jester.

GRACE: That, I never understood that. I like the way you said that, you were not going to be her court jester. I couldn`t understand why everyone

were so distraught that you were raising your voice at a woman that committed a heinous, cold-blooded murder that she had planned for days.

So you`ve got the memory loss. One thing that always astounded me is that maybe they couldn`t stop her, her defense, painting or trying to paint

Travis Alexander as a pedophile. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I walked in and Travis was on the bed masturbating. And I got really embarrassed, even though we had been intimate, like more times than I could

count. It was just kind of awkward walking in on him like that.

And I was headed toward the dresser but then I stopped and I was trying to think of something funny or witty to say, like, do you still need my help

or something, and he started grabbing at something on the bed and I realized they were papers and as he was grabbing the papers, one kind of

went sailing off the bed and it fell and that, you know, the pattern that paper falls and it landed face up near my feet and it was a photograph.

MARTINEZ: What was in the photograph? What was the photograph of?

ARIAS: It was a picture of a little boy.

MARTINEZ: Could you guess how old the little boy was?

ARIAS: Oh, 5-ish.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You know what? That almost turns my stomach. Did you see that dramatic pause? It was a picture of -- uhh. Like they had to pry it out of

her. You know that was all a big lie.

That was not true. I don`t believe for one minute Travis Alexander was a pedophile. And it just happened to float down, and what, land on her big

toe?

MARTINEZ: In a chaotic pattern, it floated down. Yeah, it ...

GRACE: It floated down ...

MARTINEZ: Right.

GRACE: ... and landed by her foot.

MARTINEZ: And in her journal, she indicated that nothing whatsoever happened on that particular day that she claims that he was masturbating.

GRACE: I remember that.

MARTINEZ: So ...

GRACE: Two pictures of little boys. And another thing, Juan, think, what woman in her right mind would come in on a man, her love, her true love,

and you find out he`s aroused by photos of little boys. What woman would stay in that relationship? It doesn`t make any sense!

MARTINEZ: Well, she wanted to, I guess, paint herself as somewhat of a saint that needed to be canonized because she did offer herself sexually

afterwards.

GRACE: Question. You do know that Jodi Arias compares herself to Einstein, right? You know that?

MARTINEZ: I`ve heard that from her parents, yes.

GRACE: And what do you make of Jodi Arias comparing her intellect to Albert Einstein?

MARTINEZ: Maybe I should sit down and talk to her about the theory of relativity.

GRACE: Do you think she would ever sit down and talk to you?

MARTINEZ: No. And I wouldn`t want to sit down and talk to her.

GRACE: Yeah, why would you? Can I ask you something I`ve wondered? I want to hear about how the impact of your strategy affected this trial. We`re

trying to get inside your mind.

MARTINEZ: The -- initially, there was a lot of criticism of the fact that I was somewhat strident and that I was asking her, yes or no, those sorts of

things. But as it wore on, and people were able to see that she was trying to cover up, then the strategy began to bear fruit.

[20:40:00] I know that if I had been someone who was soft on her, she would have just had me walking through that courtroom like a dog on a leash and

throwing little tidbits for me to pick up on, and she would have just told her story without me having my questions answered, which is what I was

there for.

I wanted her to tell me what -- what actually happened, not her story.

GRACE: Two times you have described, as we sit here tonight, how she could have, single-handedly, turned the tide of this trial if it had not been for

your trial strategy. A, you said, I would not be her court jester. And, 2, I did not want to be led around the courtroom by a leash that she was

yanking.

And if you had not had that strategy, that is exactly what would have happened. I mean, look at Travis. He let her in that day.

MARTINEZ: And I`m not really sure that he even knew that she was going to show up. The way she described it, she came into the door and was just

standing there, looking at him, it appeared that he was not aware that she was going to visit.

GRACE: With me, Juan Martinez. This hits the book stands in the morning. I got to read it ahead of time. I feel guilty about it. I got to read it

before you. "Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars", "Where She Belongs." I added that.

[20:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: A schoolgirl found dead. Focus on two Virginia Tech University superstars, Engineering majors, a track star, a NASA intern. This was no

spur-of-the moment killing. The V-Tech students planned the little girl`s murder three weeks.

Tonight, disturbing questions. Are these two getting special treatment? Just in, exclusive new video of the V-Tech killers, cool as cucumbers, as

we learn the male V-Tech student lures the little girl, telling her they`ll run away, marry, and have children. Instead, she gets her throat slit.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two Virginia Tech Engineering students under arrest, charged in connection with the death of 13-year-old Nicole Lovell.

TAMMY WEEKS, NICOLE LOVELL`S MOTHER: Nicole touched many people throughout her short life.

DAVID LOVELL, NICOLE LOVELL`S FATHER: Found out -- I found out on T.V.

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GRACE: With me is Taylor Rees Shapiro, reporter with "The Washington Post." Let`s see that brand-new video of the two V-Tech killers. They`re behind

bars now, and they are cool as cucumbers. The word is they may be getting special treatment from behind bars.

Taylor Rees Shapiro, reporter with "The Washington Post," in this newly- released video showing Eisenhauer and Natalie Keepers, what is it?

TAYLOR REES SHAPIRO, "THE WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER: What they are showing is the two students being greeted into the jail after they`d been arrested.

You can see Eisenhauer is wearing his pajamas. He was roused from his sleep in his dorm on campus, and Natalie Keepers to be in her more casual wear.

She`s got boots on and two different colored socks.

And they both appear, in no obvious sobbing or shaking. They`re just, you know, watching the police officers and obeying whatever they`re told to do,

but they do appear very calm.

GRACE: You know what`s interesting? Taylor Rees Shapiro with me from "The Washington Post," I`ve spoken to a friend of David Eisenhauer that tells us

that the girl defendant, Natalie Keepers, had somewhat of an obsessive crush on Eisenhauer. What do you make of that?

SHAPIRO: You know, the relationship between the two is not clear. What we do know for sure is that Natalie was struggling in school and that David

had offered to counsel her and offer her some math tutoring. But, you know, you don`t pick somebody random in order to assist you in a crime, as has

been alleged.

GRACE: Everyone, in addition to Taylor Rees Shapiro from "The Washington Post," joining me right now is a very special guest. It is Natasha Bryant.

She is a very close friend of the little schoolgirl who was murdered, Nicole.

Nicole Lovell had been communicating online with a much older man. That man turns out to be Engineering student at Virginia Tech, David Eisenhauer. And

we learn now that the V-Tech killer, Eisenhauer, apparently promises the little girl a wedding, marriage, and children.

That`s what this little girl, just turned 13, she`s in the seventh grade, believed was going to happen. Her prince was taking her away. They would be

married, have a family together. Instead, she gets her throat slit. To Natasha Bryant, the close friend of little Nicole Lovell, thank you for

being with us, dear.

NATASHA BRYANT, NICOLE LOVELL`S CLOSE FRIEND: You`re welcome. Anytime.

GRACE: Do you believe that Nicole thought she was going to actually run away with her online boyfriend, get married, and have children?

BRYANT: Yeah. She always talked ...

GRACE: Why do you believe that, Natasha?

BRYANT: At the time, she said that he was really nice and that they would have a family one day and then get married and a bunch of stuff like that.

[20:50:00] GRACE: When you say "a bunch of stuff like that," everyone, for those of you just joining us, close friend of the little seventh-grade

girl, her body dumped by his friend, Natalie Keepers, a NASA intern.

So the little girl apparently, Natasha, was lured out of her home that night, with the belief she would run away with this guy, get married and

have a family. Do you believe that?

BRYANT: Yeah.

GRACE: What more can you tell us that she may have mentioned about her online boyfriend, Natasha?

BRYANT: I mean, she said that he was the perfect guy for her, and they would then have a family, get married, and I mean -- what the fairytale

would -- they would have a perfect life. I mean, I guess that`s all there is to it.

GRACE: Did you have any idea she was sneaking out with him that night?

BRYANT: No. She went to the mall with my friend, Bree (ph) Harris, and they went to the mall, and right after that around midnight, she went missing.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Kirby Clements, Atlanta; Robin Ficker, Maryland. Also with us, Psychologist, Caryn Stark.

First to you, Robin Ficker, did you hear that? This guy, David Eisenhauer, promises to marry the little girl, run away with her, and start a family.

That`s how he lured her out that night to slit her throat. Defense?

ROBIN FICKER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I`m really curious where they developed that information. Apparently, from Miss Keepers, when after she

was read her Miranda rights, that`s why we need to videotape the reading of these Miranda rights because we don`t know how she was pressured. Of

course, she`s going to point the finger at someone else.

GRACE: Okay, that is not coming from ...

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FICKER: We don`t know if there was any truth with what she said.

GRACE: That`s not coming from Natalie Keepers. Good try, Ficker, I respect that. To you, Kirby, that`s not where the information is coming from.

Natalie Keepers is not telling that. That`s coming from the little dead girl herself.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I mean, that`s the statement that`s she`s written down there. But a lot of that stuff is fantasy. I mean, we

know it was a fantasy, first of all. So, we still have to see actual transcripts ...

GRACE: More like a lie.

CLEMENTS: That`s in her mind or was in her mind. Until we see the actual transcript or something that links that directly to his computer, it`s pure

speculation at this point. We don`t really know who she was talking to. I think we have to wait and see because it`s gets easy ...

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GRACE: No, no. According to the friend, Caryn Stark, Psychologist, according to the little friend who is with us tonight, she`s not afraid of

telling the truth and being questioned. According to the friend, the little dead girl, Nicole Lovell, said this is the guy for me, we`re going to get

married, run away, and have children.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: And I have no doubt that that`s true because why would -- she wound up dead, Nancy, so obviously they were luring her. And

this would be one of the ways to get her to be there and be involved in this.

So I have no doubt that that`s a true story.

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GRACE: Long-time friend of the show, psychologist Caryn stark, bravely battles breast cancer, round two. Tonight, raising awareness and giving

hope to others about cutting-edge therapy that helps women keep their hair during radical chemotherapy.

STARK: Five years ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. My immediate reaction was disbelief. Went through six different surgeries and was taking

Tamoxifen. After five years, I finally felt like I was cancer-free, it was time to celebrate.

Much to everyone`s surprise, I discovered that it`s had reoccurred. My cancer had come back and it`s worse. I`m getting chemotherapy, and I`m

doing something called cold capping, and that`s to try and save my hair.

TESSA CIGLER, WEILL CORNELL MEDICAL ONCOLOGIST: Cold caps are essentially ice packs that are worn on an individual`s head before, during, and after

chemotherapy. And in our pilot study, about 90 percent of women using the cold caps were able to avoid wearing a wig.

STARK: I didn`t want to have one more thing that I had no control over. And the idea that I might -- I could still be me, I could still look in the

mirror, I could still see myself and feel good about myself was very, very important to me.

It has to be fitted tightly on the patient`s head to make good contact with the scalp.

You can`t dye your hair, you can`t cut your hair, you can`t, you know, comb -- you have to be very careful how you wash it. There`s so many rules.

CIGLER: The ice caps have to be frozen to an incredibly cold, sub-zero temperature using either a special freezer or dry ice.

STARK: Your head is being numbed. So it`s kind of like an ice cream headache at first.

CIGLER: And the caps have to be rotated on the patient`s head every 30 minutes to ensure that they keep the right cold temperature.

STARK: I want women to know about this.

CLAUDIA FALZARANO, RIGHT ARM, INC. FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT: It`s so important to be able to maintain some normalcy in your life.

STARK: You`re not just saving your life, you`re saving your hair.

GRACE: I love you, Caryn Stark.

Let`s remember, American hero, Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia, 79. Passes away with (inaudible). Georgetown valedictorian, magna cum laude and

Harvard Law Professor. Federal appeals court, ultimately Supreme Court justice in 1986 by Reagan. Parents, Salvatore and Catherine. Widow,

Maureen. Nine children, 36 grands. Antonin Scalia, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. Nancy Grace, signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8 o`clock sharp, Eastern. And

until then, good night, friend.

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