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Erin Andrews on the Stand; C Shocking video, a young mother, high on synthetic pot, is seen writhing and twitching on the floor while her toddler son is screaming in fear, and she walks away with a $1000 bond. A dashcam video captures a state trooper being mowed down alive. Let`s remember American hero Virginia Officer Ashley Guindon, 28, killed in the line of duty.. Aired 8-9p ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. "Dad, I`m naked on the Internet" sobs "Dancing With the Stars" favorite. Beautiful young
sportscaster on the road, covering college football. She checks into a national Marriott, but little does she know even though she`s behind closed
doors, she`s being secretly videoed coming in and out of her shower, walking around naked in her private room, video through the hotel door
peephole. And to her shock, it surfaces on the Internet, racking up nearly 17 million views.
Sportscaster Erin Andrews fighting back. In the last hours, the "Dancing With the Stars" host breaks down sobbing on the stand.
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ERIN ANDREWS, SPORTSCASTER/HOST: My naked body was on the front page of "The New York Post"!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man took video of the sideline reporter while she was naked.
ANDREWS: I`m so angry! This could have been stopped!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Shocking video as Mommy, high on synthetic pot, writhes on the floor, her tot boy next to her on a balcony, screaming in fear. And Mommy
walks free on $1,000 bond? And what about Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum standing by, doing nothing, even videoing as the incident unfolds. They
need to go to jail, too.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shocking new video has gone viral.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the video that prompted the Mobile County sheriff`s office to launch an investigation. In it, 18-year-old Lauren
Brook Englet (ph) appears to be on drugs, and times convulsing as her distraught 2-year-old cries nearby.
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GRACE: That video from Facebook.
Did a woman scorned intentionally mow down her love rival as she was crossing the street on foot, holding her young daughter`s hand? Tonight,
murder by SUV?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Massachusetts woman is accused of killing a mother who she believed was a love rival who caused a recent breakup with her
boyfriend. Anna Mercedes Francesci (ph) is accused of using her SUV to strike and kill 32-year-old Yasmin Marin (ph), who was crossing the street
with her 14-year-old daughter.
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GRACE: Chilling dashcam video captures a state trooper being mowed down alive. We want justice!
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. "Dad, I`m naked on the Internet" sobs "Dancing With the Stars" favorite. Beautiful young sportscaster on the road, covering
college football, she checks into a national Marriott. But little does she know even though she is behind closed and locked doors, she`s being
secretly videoed coming in and out of the shower, walking around naked in her private Marriott hotel room, videoed through the hotel door peephole.
And to her shock, the video shows up on the Internet, racking up nearly 17 million views! Sportscaster Erin Andrews fighting back. In the last
hours, the "Dancing With the Stars" host breaks down sobbing on the stand.
Listen.
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ANDREWS: He said, Erin, there`s a naked video of you on the Internet. And I said, No, there`s not. I don`t do that. What are you talking about?
He -- and I could just feel my chest (ph), like, starting -- like, I could feel it in my head. And he`s, like, You`ve got to check it out. I mean,
(INAUDIBLE) trembling (ph). So I grabbed my laptop and I flipped it open. And I see (ph) (INAUDIBLE) body. And I saw it for two seconds, and I was,
like, Oh, my God! And I shut it down (INAUDIBLE) I have to call you back. And I called my parents!
It was everywhere. And it was a publicity stunt, you know, ESPN scandal, she`s doing this to herself. My naked body was on the front page of "The
New York Post," like, they had put bars over my body parts! My girlfriend was calling me, telling me she was running around New York City, throwing
coffee on all the papers because she felt so bad! It`s just crazy!
I don`t think anyone, in my mind, really believed me until Barrett was arrested. I remember watching just one of those entertainment shows. And
we knew an FBI investigation was going on, but we couldn`t say that because they didn`t want us to let it out because they didn`t want him to go run
and hide evidence or destroy evidence. And so they made it very clear...
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[20:05:06]GRACE: Straight out to CNN national correspondent Polo Sandoval. Thank you so much for being with us. You know, right now, this is being
fought out in a courtroom. And a lot of people are suggesting that this case isn`t worth the money she`s suing for.
Let`s take it at the beginning, Polo. What happened?
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, let me break down the details here for you, Nancy. At this point, what we`re told is that Michael Barrett
essentially picked up the phone while he was staying at that national Marriott, and then requested to speak to Erin Andrews that day in 2008,
actually revealed that -- the room number in his phone. And that`s exactly how he was able to then call and then request the room that was next to
Erin Andrews.
Now, what we`re hearing really from the plaintiff here is that one phone call could have drastically changed the situation, Nancy, even Erin Andrews
on the witness stand saying that had the hotel actually called her and said that her convicted stalker here, Michael Barrett, was trying to stay next
door, that she would immediately involve the police. And of course, it wouldn`t have this outcome, Nancy.
GRACE: Hold on. Everybody, you are seeing Erin Andrews when she was competing -- I believe he is with Max (ph) in "Dancing With the Stars"
right there. That`s ABC`s "Dancing With the Stars."
Yes, you`re right, Polo. Also, in addition, the perpetrator in this case, hand in hand with the Marriott, M.D. Barrett, Michael David Barrett, says
in sworn testimony that he actually calls and asks to be placed next to Erin Andrews. He calls, and they do it.
Listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you recall having any conversation with anyone at Marriott at the time that you set your reservation?
MICHAEL BARRETT, CONVICTED OF STALKING: (INAUDIBLE) I don`t recall any specific conversation, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you request a room next to Ms. Andrews?
BARRETT: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you requested a room next to Ms. Andrews, do you recall any-...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: So right there, Chris Spargo joining me, reporter with Dailymail.com, we`ve got it from the horse`s mouth! He calls the Marriott
and he asks for a room next to Erin Andrews, and they do it! Chris Spargo, they let him camp out next to her.
CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM (via telephone): Yes, that`s correct. He did call the international Marriott and requested that room, but the Marriott
and Vanderbilt saying they never got that request.
GRACE: Oh, really? Is that what they`re saying?
Isn`t it true, Justin Freiman, that the international Marriott plugged it in, they punched it in, and the records show request to be in the room next
to Erin Andrews? Is that true?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. According to testimony, they did get that information from him. He did ask to be in a
room next to her. And what they did was they noted it on the reservation in the computer system.
GRACE: OK, back to Polo Sandoval, CNN national correspondent. So he not only asks to be next to Erin Andrews and they put him there, but then he
engages in a little trickery on the Marriott. Now, tell me how that goes down? He goes into a restaurant in the Marriott and he calls the front
desk. Give it to me in a nutshell, Polo.
SANDOVAL: Right. So he essentially picks up the phone and he asks to be connected to Erin Andrews`s phone. And by that process, then he`s able to
see what her room number is. He then can put the request in to actually be next to her room.
He actually hears, according to the testimony that was revealed, that he actually heard the shower go off, and that was his cue to then head out to
the hallway, saw out that viewing port, and then, of course, modify it so that he could record it with his phone, Nancy. Those are four minutes of
video that forever changed the life of Erin Andrews.
GRACE: That`s ABC`s "Dancing With the Stars."
Joining me right now at the courthouse special guest, reporter with WZTV Eric Alvarez. Eric, thank you for being with us. Eric, what I`m trying to
find out is how the jury is reacting to Erin Andrews on the stand.
She has just finished two very long days of testimony. She cried throughout the testimony. I found her very believable. Her mother and
father were there. The mother, Erin Andrews`s mother, broke down crying so intensely, she had to hide her face in the husband`s coat at one point.
What`s the jury doing?
ERIC ALVAREZ, WZTV CORRESPONDENT: Well, the jury, just like the rest of America, is getting to know Erin Andrews, the victim of a crime, whereas
for years, everyone has known her as Erin Andrews, the sideline reporter. And just like you said, a lot of emotional testimony over the last few
days.
Now, what`s interesting is when you`re in the courtroom, you can actually see the faces of the jury. You can read their body language. And whenever
she`s on the stand, they are zeroed in. They`re focused. They`re engaged on what she`s saying. And it does appears to me that they are identifying
with her and her story.
[20:10:04]GRACE: You know what`s interesting, Eric Alvarez, is the Marriott is trying to push this all off on the perp, Michael David Barrett.
ALVAREZ: Well, that`s exactly right, Nancy. Like you said, the defense is trying to distance the Vanderbilt Marriott from the actions of Michael
Barrett, and there have actually been several key witnesses that have said a little bit more security would have made a big difference here.
And we also heard in testimony that it was the hotel standard at the time that someone could ask for a hotel room for -- next to Erin Andrews, next
to Eric Alvarez, Nancy Grace, anyone. And it was hotel policy at the time that they could grand that room...
GRACE: Whoa! Wait a minute!
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GRACE: Put him back up.
ALVAREZ: ... is they wouldn`t even have to tell the original person...
GRACE: Eric Alvarez, let me understand what you just said. Eric is joining us, CNN affiliate WZTV, right there at the courthouse. Are you
telling me that at the time Erin Andrews had a naked video of her made -- unwittingly -- by this perv in the next room, that the Marriott policy was
you could just call and go, Hi, I want to be next to Katy Perry, and they would put you there?
ALVAREZ: That is what has come up in testimony over the last week. That is exactly what the hotel standard was, is you could call -- you could make
a phone call and ask, Is so-and-so at this hotel? If they have a room next to them, they would give you (ph) the hotel (ph). But perhaps what struck
a chord most with the jury is the hotel staff didn`t even have to tell the original person that someone had even asked to request the room.
GRACE: Everybody, take a listen to Erin Andrews on the stand.
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ANDREWS: (INAUDIBLE) so embarrassing! (INAUDIBLE) I never thought this would happen! I never thought somebody would -- I never thought a hotel
would let somebody next to me without telling me! You know, it`s, like, all I wanted to do is be respected. All I wanted to do is be the girl next
door that loves sports, and now I`m the girl with the hotel scandal! It`s embarrassing!
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[20:16:01]ANDREWS: Everybody thought that I was doing it for publicity and attention, and that ripped me apart!
Probably for, like, three months, everybody thought it was a publicity stunt. (INAUDIBLE) "The New York Post" and the ESPN scandal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I mean, how can you listen to Erin Andrews and not believe that she suffered emotional distress and pain?
Unleash the lawyers, Kirby Clements, defense attorney out of Atlanta. Also with me, Misty Marris, defense attorney out of New York. Joining us also
is Marc Saltzman, technology expert, author of "Apple Watch for Dummies." Marc, thank you for being with us.
You`re seeing ABC`s "Dancing With the Stars."
All right, to the lawyers. Kirby Clements, what`s your defense of the Marriott?
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I have multiple defenses. Number one, $75 million is way too much. That`s for number -- that`s the first
issue.
GRACE: Says who? Says who?
CLEMENTS: Says me and says anybody with any ounce of common sense.
GRACE: Really? You know what, Kirby?
CLEMENTS: Absolutely.
GRACE: You know why I think you`re saying that?
CLEMENTS: Why?
GRACE: Because nobody wants to spy on you, no offense, right?
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Put him back up! Nobody wants to unscrew your peephole and put a cell phone up there and watch Kirby Clements coming out of his bathroom.
CLEMENTS: You never know! Some people like big, handsome men!
GRACE: All right? So what about this, Misty Marris? You want your mother naked on the Internet? Because one day, one day, Misty Marris, she`s going
to have children, more likely than not, and they`re going to look up Mommy on line and they`re going to read all the ugly things that people said
about her, all the speculation that she was in on this, that she planned the whole thing to help her career. That`s what`s going to happen.
MISTY MARRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, there`s no question that nobody would want this video on the Internet, but $75 million is absurd!
Negligence cases require a showing of damages. Erin Andrews`s career has only skyrocketed since...
GRACE: Put her up!
MARRIS: ... the incident, according to per her financials. She testified as to her financials.
GRACE: Says who! Are you saying that Erin Andrews can`t suffer? This is not just about her...
MARRIS: No!
(CROSSTALK)
MARRIS: You know what that opens the door to? Now we`ll read every treat (ph) in the public forums. We`ll read every Facebook post.
GRACE: Well, you know what?
MARRIS: She was a contestant on "Dancing With the Stars," which requires incredible poise and confidence, as you know better than anybody. That`s
going to cut against her argument that she`s suffering...
GRACE: You know what? You know what...
MARRIS: ... from severe anxiety.
GRACE: ... I say to you two? And I don`t know how this is happening.
You`re seeing "Dancing With the Stars" right there.
It`s so misogynistic to say, Oh, look how great she did, she`s not suffering. B.S., both of you! She has excelled not because of this
criminal activity on the part of Barrett, this nude video taken of her against her will. She has excelled in spite of it!
Listen.
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ANDREWS: There are comments every single day on my Instagram account. I`ll be in a -- you know, I`ll do a flashback Friday of my outfit that I
wore on "Dancing With the Stars" when I competed with Max, and it`s, like, Well, how could you be so sad if you wore this on "Dancing With the Stars"?
I`m not allowed to go have a life and compete on a show and have a good time and forget for two seconds that I wasn`t called by a hotel for a
person to come stay next to me? I`m not allowed to go live my life?
And yet I still am not sad and suffering over this because I`m in my samba costume? Yes, every single day, there are comments. Oh, you really look
sad, or, Hey, I saw you doing this in a hotel room. You should pay the Marriott. You should pay Barrett -- every single day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Did you hear that? Lillian Glass, psychologist, body language expert, did you hear what she just said? And for some reason, because this
woman, Erin Andrews, has managed to excel in what, like it or not, is a man`s field, typically a man`s field, sportscasting -- I mean, this is not
some opportunist trying to peddle a naked video.
[20:00:09]This is the tomboy turned girl next door who clawed her way to the top, Lillian Glass. Her first coverage was covering the Lightning
hockey team down in Tampa Bay, and she clawed her way up from there. And now this. Lillian?
LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, this is such a hard-working woman. She`s a journalist, and she doesn`t need to be exposed. She doesn`t need
to be naked. I mean, this not good for her profession (INAUDIBLE) hurt her emotionally. She`s going to suffer for this the rest of her life.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you feel grief about this?
ANDREWS: I do!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you feel shame about this?
ANDREWS: I do! I feel so ashamed! I`m so embarrassed! I come up here and I sit here and I start talking about my job and how much I love sports,
and then this -- this happens every day of my life! I never (ph) get a tweet or somebody makes a comment in the paper or somebody sends me a still
of the video to my Twitter or someone screams at me in the stands, and I`m right back to this. I feel so embarrassed, and I`m so ashamed!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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[20:25:35]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An average Joe was able to stalk and shoot nude video of an ESPN sports reporter in her own hotel room, room 1051 at
the Nashville Marriott.
ANDREWS: It was my private time! I never thought this would happen!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: She is now a Fox sports commentator. To Marc Saltzman, technology expert, author of "Apple Watch for Dummies." How did this guy pull it off,
Marc? How did he do it exactly?
MARC SALTZMAN, TECHNOLOGY EXPERT: Yes. Well, you don`t need a degree in computer engineering to shoot a video and upload it. Keep in mind this is
back in 2008. That was easy enough back then. Today, this could have been livestreamed through that peephole to, you know, Periscope or Meerkat.
So according to the courtroom document that I read, you know, he basically -- he took a little mini-hacksaw, unscrewed the peephole, put in something
else, then held up his smartphone camera, which as you can see, is, like, as small as a peephole. And he was able to capture the video and then
later upload it.
So that`s how easy it is. Anybody can do it. Ninety-two percent of Americans own a smartphone.
GRACE: You know, which brings me to another topic, Chris Spargo. Did you hear what Marc Saltzman just said? Chris, Dailymail.com. That`s another
thing. Where`s the videocamera in the hallway at the Marriott, and who is asleep at the wheel?
The guy takes a hacksaw, he unscrews the peephole and sticks a cell phone up there and stands there, and stands there! And he got the cue, as Polo
told us earlier, Polo Sandoval. He was next to her, thanks to the Marriott, and he could hear her shower stop. So he figured correctly she
was going to get out and go out into the room without her clothes on.
So where`s the camera in the hallway?
SPARGO: I mean, exactly. And he was recording this for five minutes, so why did they not see him standing at a doorway with a phone held up for
five minutes?
GRACE: OK, look at what the defense is trying. Listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since July of 2009, you`ve also done endorsements. Right?
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve done endorsements for biotics? Right?
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got an endorsement for Reebok?
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got an endorsement for (INAUDIBLE)
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got the endorsement for Diet Mountain Dew.
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got an endorsement for Florida orange juice.
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got an endorsement for (INAUDIBLE)
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got an endorsement for (INAUDIBLE) energy shots?
ANDREWS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also got recent endorsements for Victoria`s Secret?
ANDREWS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not recent?
ANDREWS: It`s not an endorsement.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) a commercial.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. They were playing it...
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GRACE: OK, so what they`re arguing, I think, Chris Spargo, is that, Well, you got this orange juice endorsement, you got this Sprite endorsement.
What, because of the naked video? Is that what they`re going to actually argue, that she made -- got all this success because of this perv?
SPARGO: Yes, they`re actually saying that she has thrived in her career because of it, which is kind of -- yesterday, she said that after this
happened, she actually took time off of work for a month. And she says that still when she covers sports events, she hears people in the stands
heckling her.
GRACE: Take a look -- listen to what Michael Barrett reveals.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it was your attack (ph) to follow her to various locations, to get videotape of her, and then to try to sell the videotape,
correct?
BARRETT: Not initially, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was your initial plan?
BARRETT: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So your initial plan was to follow her to one location, to videotape her. Was it to videotape her without clothes on?
BARRETT: With or without, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it your intent to hopefully get her without clothes on?
BARRETT: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to videotape her and to try to sell that to someone and to profit from it, correct?
BARRETT: Unfortunately, yes.
ANDREWS: I just remember just crying, and I remember trying to get all my stuff. I left half of my stuff in that hotel. I remember, months later,
they sent it to me because I was in such a panic, I left it in my hotel room.
And I got to the airport and I was just, like -- I remember just standing in the TSA line just bawling (INAUDIBLE) cannot believe this is happening!
[20:30:00] My biggest fear was that -- that the longer it was on the Internet, that it was going to blow up and blow up and blow up and go viral
and get page views and just get really bad.
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NANCY GRACE, CNN HEADLINE NEWS HOST: Shocking video as mommy, high on synthetic pot, convulses and writhes on the floor, but next to her is her
little tot boy. They`re on a balcony. The tot is screaming in fear.
And tonight, mommy walks free on a $1,000 bond? And what about Tweedledee and Tweedledumb standing by doing absolutely nothing, even videotaping the
incident as it unfolds, not helping the tot at the balcony. They need to go to jail, too.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in the three-minute clip, a young mother could be seen writhing and twitching on the floor while her toddler son looks on and
cries.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s disturbing is a mother, you know, using the drugs, ignoring the child, a child walking around it looks like on the
balcony.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Under the influence of Spice, a synthetic marijuana.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is her, Tyler Glatfelter, Facebook page. First of all, let`s see exactly what we`re talking about here before we try to make any sort of
assessment. Let`s listen.
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GRACE: Look at him, he`s got the bottle. The little baby has a bottle and he`s out there on at least a second floor, on a balcony, as mommy continues
her trip on synthetic pot. To top it all off, after they do nothing to help the baby, who`s eventually going to start to stand up and start crying over
mommy, they video it.
(BABY CRYING)
GRACE: To Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host, as we watch this video, what is this and how did it come to light?
DAVE MACK, SYNDICATED TALK SHOW HOST: Nancy, actually the person taking the video, when I first saw this, that was what shocked me the most. I keep in
saying, how can you not intervene?
But actually, she is friends with this toddler`s biological father. She`s friends with both the mother and the father, here, and I think she`s the
one that took the video to show the father that he needs to get involved and find a way to get his son back, because he has not been allowed any
contact for the last month or so because, because he actually was never listed on this child`s birth certificate.
So to check that situation to the point that would allow this drug, and I hate when people talk about victimless crime, Alabama has been huge on
fighting vice and these other synthetic drugs, but what you`re watching is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen in four years of doing your
show. As a father, as a husband, I`m shocked and saddened and sick to my stomach from this, Nancy.
GRACE: Joining me right now, two special guests, one out of Fort Lauderdale, Norm Kent, former president for the National Organization for
Reform of Marijuana Laws. He wants pot legalized, and Brad Lamm, addiction specialist, founder of Breathe Life Healing Centers, joining me out of L.A.
Gentlemen, thank you. Norm Kent, how can you look at a video like that and still argue that pot should be legalized?
NORM KENT, NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR REFORM OF MARIJUANA LAWS FORMER PRESIDENT: Because, Nancy, Spice has about as much to offer cannabis as
Twinkle, Twinkle Little Stars has to do with astronomy. Spice is a chemical. Spice is not cannabis. If that woman had been smoking natural
herbal marijuana, she could have been cured of convulsions.
BRAD LAMM, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: Norm, you don`t know that. Norm, Norm, you don`t know that. In fact, in the states where pot`s been legalized,
Nancy, in the last 18 months, we have seen driving while intoxicated or impaired -- skyrocket and you don`t know what you`re talking about, Norm.
The pot you`re talking about ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: So, Brad ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: ... legalizing is a pot that you ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... I think what he`s trying to say is ... (CROSSTALK)
LAMM: ... used when you were a kid.
GRACE: ... use which ...
(CROSSTALK)
KENT: what I`m trying to say is ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... will legalize the good pot, not the bad pot. So, to you, Norm ...
(CROSSTALK)
KENT: Yes?
GRACE: ... how is the normal person supposed to know the difference between the good pot and the bad pot?
KENT: (Inaudible)
GRACE: What?
KENT: I said, If I want to listen to you make up lies, I`ll just turn to Donald Trump. I`m surprised he hasn`t made you his running mate. If you
wanted to do something that`s useful for America, then tell ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I think you`re actually stoned right now. That`s not even the question. Yo9u know what? I`m going to throw it to Brad Lamm.
LAMM: Look ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Brad ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Look, Nancy ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: So how is a pot enthusiast supposed to tell the difference, if we go along with Norm Kent, who`s throwing a stone at Trump, I`ll leave that
alone. How should we ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Look, the ...
GRACE: ... differentiate, or pot enthusiasts differentiate between good pot and bad pot?
KENT: Spice is not pot, period.
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Look, the pot - Norm ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Just cut his mike. Go ahead.
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Norm, will you pause for a moment? The pot that we`re seeing legalized has very high levels of THC. They`re both cannabinoids. THC are
legalized pot, and Spice.
[20:40:00] GRACE: (Inaudible) video.
LAMM: The truth is this, this woman is very impaired. Her kid`s are very impaired. One in five teens who starts smoking pot is going to have a real
problem with it later. And so let`s call a cannabinoid, a cannabinoid.
I reached out to this girl`s family a couple of hours ago and offered her treatment. Look, she`s out on bail, it`s a great moment ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Now, wait, what did you offer to do for the child? I`m worried about the child.
LAMM: Well, did you know the child is actually living with the grandma, which is so common for impaired family members.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: OK, wait. They say the baby`s been taken away. Michael Christian ...
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes?
GRACE: Brad`s right, the child was first given to the grandma, but they concealed that the mom, pot mom, is there in the home. What can you tell me
about this woman? What are the charges, and what moron judge lets her walk on a $1,000 bond? That`s $100. You only have to put down 10 percent.
CHRISTIAN: It`s third-degree domestic violence, Nancy. And it`s only a class A misdemeanor in Alabama. So in theory, the most she could get for
this is a year in the county jail.
GRACE: So they`re just waiting for this child to go ahead and fall off the balcony? Will that -- will that change anything, Dave Mack?
MACK: Well, you know, Nancy, the sickest part of all of this is that the Department of Human Resources was given an opportunity a while back. They
have the video first before it ever went viral. They did not intervene and to anything to remove ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Oh, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
MACK: ... the child from this harmful environment.
GRACE: Whoa! Did you actually see the tag on her back? Right above her bootie? Right above her -- children, don`t repeat what mommy`s saying --
her butt crack? It`s a big marijuana leaf. OK, I just saw that.
I guess she was high when she did that.
[20:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shocking new video has gone viral.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the video that prompted the Mobile County Sheriff`s Office to launch an investigation. In it, 18-year-old Lauren
Brooke Englett appears to be on drugs. At times convulsing as her distraught 2-year-old cries nearby.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What you`re seeing is from Tyler Glatfelter`s Facebook page. This mom, who has her tot boy out on a balcony, at least a second story balcony,
while she was high on synthetic pot, convulsing and writhing in the floor, as Tweedledee and Tweedledumb, as I call them, are actually videoing it,
not helping the baby as the baby begins to scream for mommy who`s convulsing?
She`s walked free on $1000 bond. That means $100. But this is not her first time at the rodeo. Let`s see the perp walk, Liz. This is her most recent
perp walk when she was arrested on this charge.
There, you`re seeing Lauren Brooke Englett, the child`s mother, she`s confessed that she smoked Spice, synthetic marijuana, all day long. There
you go, wearing her Polo hoodie.
But this is not her first police video. Tell me, Michael Christian, oh, there`s -- is that this one or the other one? What happened the last time?
CHRISTIAN: What we know, Nancy, is that last fall, I think last September, she was charged with harassment after posting on a Facebook page of another
woman that she was going -- she called her a bunch of names that I`m not going to repeat, and said ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Well, there she is high on her mugshot.
CHRISTIAN: ... she was going to kill her.
GRACE: Let`s go back to that one. OK, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean she called somebody a bunch of names? Do we have a full screen on that?
Wasn`t it more -- you say it`s name-calling, Michael Christian. Let me direct you to the criminal code. When you threaten to kill somebody, that`s
not name-calling.
(CROSSTALK)
CHRISTIAN: No, that`s in there as well.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: That`s a terrorist threat. She messaged me calling me a (BEEP), a hoe, a fat (BEEP), another B-I-T-C-H, I just bought a pistol, I will kill
you.
Unleash the lawyers, Kirby Clements, Misty Marris. Misty Marris, in what universe is this -- oh, there`s more.
OK, I can`t even say that on the air. But I`ll end it with "you finna get it." So that is Lauren Brooke Englett. That`s a terroristic threat, Misty.
MISTY MARRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yup, but that has nothing to do with this particular instance. This is her first time with an issue relating to child
endangerment and the sentence -- what she was given ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: "I`m going to kill you" that doesn`t ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... bear on her mothering skills?
MARRIS: This - well, that was a completely separate harassment claim. A completely separate charge.
GRACE: So I should just erase, erase. It didn`t happen, Kirby. Is that what you`re saying?
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t think ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know that`s not the way it works. A judge is supposed to look at that before he gives somebody a $100 bond.
CLEMENTS: Because bond is about whether she is on a risk -- whether she`s going to skip court or some of those (ph) threatened witnesses. That has
nothing on this case right here.
She`s twitching on the floor. That`s what this case is all about. There`s some woman there who could have watched the kid, the woman who took the
video. So, the judge looked at all these factors and say, she`s going to come back to court and it`s worth her post and a $100 bond, and she`ll get
the child back in probably six months or so going through some rehab classes, and help her get off her Spice addiction.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: And next time, the child will walk off the balcony, or die in a car crash, and then you`ll all be saying, oh, gee, it`s the system`s fault
because they did nothing about it.
I want to go back to Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host. Also with me, let`s go to Norm Kent and Brad Lamm as well.
So Norm Kent, there`s no doubt about it, she was smoking pot. So how do you differentiate your -- how do you justify your position that pot should be
legalized?
[20:50:00] KENT: Spice is not pot. Spice is a chemical sprayed on dried plant leaves and it has nothing to do with marijuana. It is a misnomer that
people like you are falsely contributing to the lies spreading across the country, that this is the equivalent of cannabis, with THC, which is a
natural, healthy herbal ingredient consumed responsibly by millions of Americans daily and many people probably watch ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: But Norm, a lot of people drink too and it`s no big deal, but the lies that you put out, the pot is safe and should be legal across the board
without restrictions and guidelines is bonkers. It`s utterly bananas.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know, Brad, I want to clarify something with Dr. Morrone. Dr. Morrone, isn`t it true that what Spice is, is pot with synthetic sprayed on
it, that`s what it is?
WILLIAM MORRONE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Spice is a synthetic cannabinoid. Cannabinoid families include marijuana. You know, all the cannabis families
come down to marijuana, and Spice is made in the laboratory, so it`s altered. It`s in the same family.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: OK, I understand. Did you hear what he said, Norm Kent and Brad Lamm? Did you hear that Norm?
KENT: No. He`s completely misrepresenting what a cannabinoid is, and he ...
(CROSSTLK)
GRACE: Are you saying Dr. Morrone is misrepresenting ...
(CROSSTALK)
KENT: ... is spreading of lies to the general public, and I thought that`s something that was exclusively the province of Mr. Trump and Mister ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know what? Take him down. If all you can do is whine about Trump, get him - get rid of him.
I`m not talking about Donald Trump. I`m not talking about politics. I`m talking about a baby on a balcony with a strung out mom high on Spice. And
this idiot right here who let it all happen.
OK, Brad, explain to me, break it down for me, please, because you know what this mom is going to do? I know in your world, you think, Brad Lamm,
is they`re going to treat her and she`s going to be fine ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: No, no, no. No. Do you know ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: She`s going to get the baby back ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: ... do you know ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... and they`re going to go home and make the baby better ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: Nancy, you know what`s going to happen, though.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... it ain`t going to happen like that.
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: No, Nancy.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: What?
LAMM: She`s going to be put into a diversion program, probably it`s going to be a few hours of treatment and it`s because this system is so screwed
up and broken that we`re putting our loved ones into crummy little treatment programs that really are offering little impact to help people
get unhooked ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You`re still all about the mom ...
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: ... highly addictive ...
(CROSSTALK)
Grace: ... and nothing about the baby. That`s who I`m worried about. The baby didn`t sign up for this.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Chilling dashcam video captures a state trooper being mowed down alive. We want justice.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Florida highway patrol officer was nearly killed when he was struck by an SUV during a routine traffic stop.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Grace: A state trooper on the side of the road walking back to his car gets mowed down alive. Let`s take a look at it from the beginning and see what
we`re talking about.
There you see the victim, State Trooper Mac Mickens. Keep looking.
Joining me, Pat LaLama, managing editor, Crime Watch Daily as we rerack the video, what happened, Pat?
PAT LALAMA, CRIME WATCH DAILY MANAGING EDITOR: He`s making a routine traffic stop on a Chevy. You see that Chevy. As he returns to his patrol
car ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Oh no, wait a minute, Pat, look. Look at your monitor. The trooper was fighting his way up. There you see it again. We`ve started it over for
those of you that missed it. You see the trooper dragging himself back up the grill of the car. Trying to take out his shoulder radio and call for
help. Pat LaLama, what happened?
LALAMA: What happened was he was returning to his patrol car. A car, a Toyota truck, gets out of the slow lane, suddenly merges into the emergency
lane, smashes right into Trooper Mickens. Mickens flies into the air back toward his patrol car. His pelvis is crushed. He`s trying desperately to
pull himself up to make his own radio call for help.
GRACE: The guy that did this, a 24-year-old driver, Rubelsy Castillo, also taken to the hospital, says not guilty. He`s caught on camera, Stacey
Newman, how can he say he`s not guilty?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: well, Nancy, another thing to point out here is we uncovered he has no driver`s license. So he shouldn`t have
even been behind the wheel. That alone could get him into trouble.
And he also broke the move over law in the State of Florida which requires drivers, if you see a cop pulled over, you have to move to the left lane.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop to remember American hero Virginia Officer Ashley Guindon, 28, killed in the line of duty. New recruit, Prince William
County, lost her life her first official day on the job.
A Marine Corps Reserve Vet from a family of cops. Degree in aeronautical science. Loved flying, dancing, reading, traveling, volunteering with
suicide prevention. Parents, Sharon and David. Ashley Guindon, American hero.
And happy birthday to our friend of the show, Sandy. Happy birthday, Sandy. Isn`t she beautiful?
Drew up next. Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. Nancy Grace, signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8 o`clock sharp,
Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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