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Raleigh Mom`s Alleged Murder Plan; Dash Cam Video of Police Crash; Hidden Mold Room?; Illinois Police Officers Save Choking Baby; Jared Fogle Beaten in Prison. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired March 16, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police raid the mansion of former Subway sandwich superstar pitchman Jared, after Jared catapults the
multi-million-dollar giant to the stratosphere, cops finding recordings of Subway`s Jared setting up child sex, asking friends if they would let him
see their children naked.
Jared pleads guilty, but after just two short months behind bars on child sex charges, Jared demands, Let me out of jail.
Bombshell tonight. Pervy pitchman Jared Fogle attacked!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember Jared from Subway? He`s inspired a lot of people.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Subway pitchman now child porn convict.
JARED FOGLE, CONVICTED ON CHILD PORN CHARGES: I would love to see them naked. We`re going to have so much fun, baby. We`re going to have -- you
have -- he (ph) has (ph) no idea.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Did a Raleigh mom hatch a murder plot on her unsuspecting husband over a $1 million life insurance policy?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... say the murder attempt at this 5,000-plus-square- foot rental home in the exclusive Graywalls (ph) community may have been motivated by the million-dollar life insurance policy...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... search warrants saying his son tried to push him down the stairs onto a spiked rake and stabbed the victim with a paring
knife. Cops discover the victim`s wife had badgered her husband into signing a life insurance policy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Horrific dashcam video captures the moment a cop going 91 MPH to nowhere -- he`s not on official business -- kills two teen girls. Tonight,
we learn the same cop disciplined two times in the past. But even that doesn`t stop this deadly crash.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay (ph) and her friend, 16-year-old Isabella Chinchilla, both died in that crash involving Georgia state trooper A.J.
Scott (ph). This is dashcam from Scott`s car the night of that wreck. The trooper was going 90 miles per hour seconds before he plowed into the
teens.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: After she and her 4-year-old little girl suffer a string of unexplained illnesses, she brings out an investigator who says he discovers
a hidden room full of deadly mold. Management says they don`t know anything about a hidden room. But tonight, the pictures and video prove
the hidden room and the deadly threat are very real.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Police raid the mansion of former Subway pitchman Jared after he catapults the multi-million dollar giant to the stratosphere.
Cops find recordings, recordings of Subway Jared setting up child sex, asking friends if they would let him see their little children naked. Can
you imagine that? Could I see your children naked? Jared pleads guilty. But after just two months behind bars, he demands, Let me out of jail.
Tonight, bombshell, the pervy pitchman, Jared Fogle, attacked.
I want to go straight out to Alan Duke, editor-in-chief, Leadstories.com. So Jared Fogle gets a beatdown behind bars. By who?
ALAN DUKE, LEADSTORIES.COM: By an inmate who is serving a firearms sentence. He says -- this inmate, Steven Nigg, has a Facebook page that
his family maintains, and so he was so proud of it, he posted the incident report...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait!
DUKE: ... from prison on his Facebook page.
GRACE: Alan Duke, he`s proud. This guy is proud of beating up Subway pitchman Jared Fogle, former Subway pitchman because now he`s in a federal
penitentiary. Hold on! He created a Facebook where he`s what? Do we have a picture of that incident report, Liz, where he`s actually posted the
federal corrections incident report of the Jared Fogle beatdown.
That document we have obtained and are sharing with you. Long story short, Alan Duke, editor-in-chief, Leadstories.com, Jared Fogle brutally beaten
behind bars. And I think I know why. His nickname behind bars is Cho-Mo (ph) -- child molester. And this guy, the alleged beater, Steven Nigg, who
attacks Jared Fogle, doesn`t like child molesters, and he`s sick of too many registered sex offenders being in that penitentiary.
Here`s a picture from TMZ of Steven Nigg, the inmate who reportedly beats Jared down behind bars and he calls him Cho-Mo. They don`t like child
molesters. And I think I know why they particularly don`t like Jared Fogle. Listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
[20:05:16]FOGLE: Will you let me see your kids naked?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: Yes? Would that be OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure. They`re very comfortable.
FOGLE: How old are your kids again?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 10 and 11.
FOGLE: Yes? (INAUDIBLE) Boy and a girl?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: Yes. I would love to see them naked. We`re going to have so much fun, baby. We`re going to have -- you have -- you have no idea.
I would fly all three of us clear across the world, if we need to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Like where?
FOGLE: To Thailand or wherever we want to go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where would we have to go? We have to go away somewhere?
FOGLE: (INAUDIBLE) try to get some young kids (INAUDIBLE)
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: That is it from CBS and Poteski Productions.
For those of you just joining us, Subway pitchman -- of course, now he`s not a pitchman anymore, he`s behind bars for arranging child sex at
locations apparently all over the globe.
Now, here are Subway commercials from YouTube. Everybody thinks they knew Jared Fogle, that they kind of grew up with him as he fought the battle of
the bulge, and they fought along with him. It catapulted Subway sandwiches to superstardom, and Jared went along for the ride until police raid his
mansion and find child pornography.
Joining me also is Barrett Marson, former director of communications for the Arizona Department of Corrections. Barrett, thank you for being with
us.
BARRETT MARSON, FMR. DIR. OF COMM. FOR ARIZONA DEPT. OF CORRECTIONS (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Barrett, what do you make of this? I mean, the guy did a little stint in solitary, but to hear Jared tell it, it`s the end of the world and
he should have immediate release just because he got slapped for being a child molester.
MARSON: Well, there`s no doubt, in prison culture, Cho-Mos, as they`re called, lowest on the totem pole. They`re targets from the general
population. And some state prisons actually segregate child molesters and sex predators because they are often preyed upon by the general population.
GRACE: Now, again, his nickname behind bars is C-H-O dash M-O.
MARSON: Right.
GRACE: Barrett Marson, is it correct that means child molester?
MARSON: Absolutely. Oftentimes, their units are actually just called Cho- Mo units, so it`s a very popular term.
GRACE: So there could be a whole unit of child molesters?
MARSON: Absolutely.
GRACE: You know, another thing -- Michael Christian joining me, also on the story -- there are quite the amenities at this particular federal
penitentiary that Subway Jared has been enjoying, and that really rubs me the wrong way because here`s a guy -- you know, again, I told you this,
Michael. While I have my children at Christmastime down in the Plaza having tea with Eloise, he`s upstairs having child sex. And it wasn`t just
at the Plaza. He would arrange to bring children all over, many cities, many different places, reportedly, to have underaged sex with them.
What are the amenities he is enjoying there in the penitentiary? Of course, it`s a far cry from the Plaza, but what do they do? What does he
do there? Oh, this is what he`s eating. What are his amenities?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, the fact that there`s Facebook accounts that these guys have is astounding, Nancy.
But as you say, there`s a commissary. He`s got access to funds. His family can put funds in for him. And there`s a million things that he can
get from this commissary.
GRACE: Well, I understand that they have all sorts of -- for instance, a walking track, a softball field, horseshoe pit, a bocce ball court, a
weight room, arts and crafts with leather, fine arts, pottery, painting, beading? Whoa!
Unleash the lawyers, Carissa Kranz, Robert Schalk. Beading? Beading? He can enjoy leather work and beading?
There`s a Subway commercial from YouTube.
Robert Schalk, what is he whining about? Did you see all those amenities? And one guy comes up and gives him a knuckle sandwich with no mayo for
being a child molester. I mean, he plead guilty in court. There`s no doubt that he did this. And he`s whining and wants a transfer and to get
out of jail?
ROBERT SCHALK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, let`s start from the beginning here. I mean, inmates who assault other inmates can be charged with
crimes. If Jared Fogle wants to file a complaint against this inmate, Mr. Nigg, he can file it with local law enforcement. He can be prosecuted. He
can be tried. He can be convicted.
GRACE: Are saying the inmate, this Nigg guy...
SCHALK: Yes, he assaulted him.
GRACE: ... Steven Nigg -- are you saying he should go to jail for punching Jared in the face?
[20:10:06]SCHALK: He should be prosecuted if an assault occurred and there were witnesses to this assault and injuries took place. It happens every
day in this country. I`ve represented numerous people who have been charged with inmate assaults. It happens all the time.
GRACE: Really?
SCHALK: Absolutely.
GRACE: Really? Who?
SCHALK: Yes.
GRACE: Who? Name one.
SCHALK: In New York City -- first of all, I`m not naming clients because I`m not going to break the attorney-client privilege.
GRACE: It`s a public record. It`s public record!
SCHALK: Secondarily to that, on Long Island and Rikers Island...
GRACE: You can`t think of one!
SCHALK: ... Nassau County, Suffolk County, I`ve prosecuted and I`ve defended them, Nancy. It happens all the time.
GRACE: OK. You know what? I think I know why Steven Nigg was so angry. Take a listen to this.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You must go crazy with your travels because you get to go and travel to different schools and a lot of things like that? I
want you to -- I mean, I`m sure you have a lot of stories. I want you to tell me some of them so that -- I don`t know, I just -- I like to...
FOGLE: Yes, especially some of the middle schools. I love the middle schools (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you know?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: You know how much I love to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (INAUDIBLE) you know, do little touchy-feely things with them, you know, make them feel
good (INAUDIBLE) a little more touchy-feely, a little more touchy-feely, a little more touchy-feely and that -- you know, it`s that kind of stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. OK.
FOGLE: I mean, that would be amazing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What? What age?
FOGLE: Totally amazing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What age seems to be the easiest?
FOGLE: You know, I don`t know. (INAUDIBLE) early middle school, probably one of the best.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: They don`t know if they`re coming or going. And I could see (EXPLETIVE DELETED) a young girl, 6th or 7th grader, you know, (EXPLETIVE
DELETED)
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: That from CBS and Poteski Productions.
So lawyers, Schalk, Kranz, can you look at me with a straight face, Carissa Kranz and tell me that with everything you know about Jared Fogle, that he
raped children, underage children, that he doesn`t deserve a punch in the face?
CARISSA KRANZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s not up to us to decide what he deserves behind bars. That`s up to the courts. He`s not complaining about
the amenities of beating, like you said. He`s complaining about...
GRACE: Well, I`m asking you a very...
KRANZ: ... an actual beating.
GRACE: ... narrow question. This guy, Nigg, who is behind bars on a weapons charge, punched him in the face because he knows what Jared Fogle
admits in court he did. Liz, pull up the rest of that sound, please. And you guys are telling me that Steven Nigg should actually face charges...
(CROSSTALK)
SCHALK: So anybody who commits a crime deserves to get punched in the face if they commit a heinous crime.
GRACE: No, I didn`t say that.
SCHALK: So just Jared Fogle?
GRACE: I`m just saying that you two...
SCHALK: Just Jared Fogle?
GRACE: ... are making a mountain out of a molehill!
SCHALK: We`re not making a mountain out of a molehill.
GRACE: Because one -- OK, play this, Liz, please. This is from CBS, Poteski Productions.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
FOGLE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: Yes? Would you rather have it in your son or your daughter`s room?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I don`t know that would be (ph), you know...
FOGLE: Which one do you think would be better?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know.
FOGLE: (INAUDIBLE) tell me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, that`s -- I think to try to figure out, you know -- we`ll have to figure that out. Have you ever hidden a camera
anywhere before?
FOGLE: I have not. But I have thought about going on the Internet and buying one, you know?
(END AUDIO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:17:43]FOGLE: I`m Jared, the Subway guy, and this is my story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fogle admitted that he repeatedly travelled to engage in commercial sex acts with victims he knew to be children.
FOGLE: Will you let me see your kids naked?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes.
FOGLE: (INAUDIBLE) like better seeing naked, your son or your daughter?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That from YouTube, CBS and Poteski Productions.
For those of you joining us, Subway pitchman Jared Fogle attacked. Apparently, another felon doesn`t like child molesters.
We all saw Jared go from about 350 pounds slimming down to the 180s. We all felt like we got to know him. But what we didn`t know is that he is a
perv preying on children, even asking friends to sacrifice their own children to him.
To Ashley Willcott, certified child welfare law specialist. Ashley, you have not only represented children for such a long time, but also, you are
a licensed lawyer.
You`re seeing a Subway commercial from YouTube.
The fact that Subway Jared would suggest that he needs to be moved -- this is already a low-security, very cushy federal penitentiary that he`s in
right now, OK? Did you see leatherwork, beadwork, bocce ball, softball courts, basketball courts, a track, anything you want to eat in the
commissary. High-profile defendants go here.
He gets one punch in the face and he thinks he should be released? I mean, what about what happened to all those children that he had sex with?
That`s called statutory rape. There`s no two ways about it.
ASHLEY WILLCOTT, CERTIFIED CHILD WELFARE LAW SPECIALIST: That`s what bothers me the most about this particular situation. Here he got 15 out of
50 possible years as his sentence. He only has to serve 15 years, which is really reasonable, given all of the allegations of what happened and what
he admitted to.
And yet he uses this one incident as another reason why he says, I should not have to serve time in jail. I should get out of jail.
The reality is, he has to serve his time. He can complain about what happened. He can complain about the reasons he thinks he needs to get out.
He has to serve his time. How can we think that he`s possibly remorseful as he claims he is, when all he wants to do is get out of jail? And these
kids are traumatized forever.
[20:20:12]GRACE: You know, that`s a really -- forever. And I`m going to go to our shrink, Dr. Charles Sophy, on that. Another issue has come up,
the fact that, apparently, there were all sorts of warning signs that Jared Fogle was on the wrong side of the law, reports that he actually dealt porn
out of his college dormitory way back when.
And Alan Duke, what can you tell me about the fact that he is now basically choosing to live off honey buns and cake?
DUKE: They say that`s a normal thing for a freshman in prison, sort of like the college 10. He`s gaining weight because he`s buying honey buns by
the box out of depression and stress and loneliness, and so he`s binging...
GRACE: Wait! Put him up!
DUKE: ... on honeybuns.
GRACE: Put him up! Did you say stress? Jared Fogle has stress? Stress?
DUKE: Well, it`s a normal thing for new prisoners when you`re...
GRACE: What about his wife and children? They`re having stress! All right, what about his child molestation victims? Stress? What stress?
DUKE: Well, stress of fear of being beaten up in prison, which is what happened.
GRACE: He got punched to the face one time! Of course, Michael Christian, there is a report someone slapped him in the weight room and he started
crying and ran out the door. What do you know about that, Christian? That would have been the first incident.
CHRISTIAN: Yes. Apparently, somebody slapped him and called him, quote, "a dirty child rapist."
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:25:42]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s Jared Fogle. You may have seen him on the news or a talk show.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Subway pitchman now child porn convict, sharing sick fantasies with a Florida woman he trusted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is about using wealth, status and secrecy to illegally exploit children.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Subway pitchman Jared Fogle now behind bars on child sex charges attacked.
Alan Duke, could you just explain to me -- start at the beginning and the end. I want to make sure I understand exactly what happened. I know,
according to Michael Christian, there was a previous incident where someone in the weight room called him a dirty child rapist, I think it was, and
slapped him with an open hand and he started crying and ran out the door. OK, this is a separate incident. What happened?
DUKE: They were in the prison recreation yard. It was about noontime on the 29th of January, when Steven Nigg admitted that he ambushed Jared, that
he threw him to the ground, punched him several times in the face, causing some bruising. And the attack was so vicious that Nigg injured his hand.
But Nigg is bragging about. He`s very proud, and in fact, he`s got it on his Facebook.
GRACE: Everybody, there`s a Subway commercial from YouTube. That`s how we all met Jared.
We all think we understand why Nigg was so angry. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two -- you know, two boys, and she`s actually -- she`s not going to be there. She said I could use her house.
FOGLE: Very, very nice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
FOGLE: I definitely want to see your kids naked too, OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
FOGLE: OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, that`s what you said.
FOGLE: I`d like that very much. We`re going to have so much fun, baby. We`re going to have -- you have -- you have no idea.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can -- well, I know, you`re telling me all these things and it`s -- it`s...
FOGLE: I know. Like, if she (ph) doesn`t (ph) -- if you just take the ride with me, baby, you`re going to have -- you have no idea.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: That from CBS and Poteski Productions.
Barrett Marson, former director of communications for Arizona Department of Corrections, do you really believe the one punch in the face -- you`re
seeing a Subway commercial from YouTube -- really justifies him getting out of jail or getting transferred to an even cushier jail, if there even is
one? I mean, he really landed in the lap of luxury as far as the pen goes.
MARSON: Yes, he doesn`t need to be released early from prison, but what he probably does need is to be segregated from the rest of the general
population. Otherwise, you`ll probably have me on many times over the next 15 years talking about similar incidents. He does have it cushy right now.
Protected segregation usually isn`t as -- have as much freedom of movement, but he will be safer there.
GRACE: Dr. Charles Sophy joining me, psychiatrist, author of "Side by Side." Dr. Sophy, earlier, Alan Duke with Leadstories.com referred to
Jared Fogle`s stress and that`s why he`s gained up to 300-plus pounds.
Stress -- think about it. Think about all his child sex victims. Think about his wife and his children. What about the children? How do you
explain that? How do children go on with this hanging around their necks like an albatross?
DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, it`s a very difficult thing to carry through your life, and the only way to move on is to really get some
treatment. And early treatment is the only way to do this.
And to sit there and feel sorry for this man is not anywhere (ph) going to help those kids. They`re under stress. They`re not sleeping. Their
parents are worried. That`s where the treatment and the prevention needs to be.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[20:30:00] NANCY GRACE, HLN NANCY GRACE SHOW HOST: Did a Raleigh mom hatch a murder plot on her unsuspecting husband over a $1 million life insurance
policy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Savannah Franklin doesn`t believe her brother and mother would conspire to kill her father.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SAVANNAH FRANKLIN, TAMMY FRANKLIN`S DAUGHTHER: I understand why they are suspecting things but I still don`t believe that mom, my brother and mom
would be trying to like conspire to kill my dad. I just can`t see it. I`m basically abandoned.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The events of the past couple of weeks have taken an emotional toll on this 19-year-old.
GRACE: Straight out to Dave Priest, a morning show co-host, WRNN. Dave, the evidence seems pretty compelling that the mother did take out a $1 million
life insurance policy on her husband, Donald Franklin, and then enlist the son to help her kill him. That, I mean, look at this script for Pete`s
sake, that alone must be worth a half a million dollars, at least.
[20:35:04] So, long story short, they take out a $1 million life insurance policy on his life. Then the son apparently tries to get him impaled on a
pitchfork, chases him down with a knife. Not only that, are there rumors, Dave Priest that the mom is having an affair?
DAVE PRIEST, WRNN SHOW CO-HOST: Well, according to police, they`ve gone through a lot of records, they`ve gone through Facebook, they`ve gone
through as much as they can, and they think according to the records that they found, that the mother, Tammy Franklin began a relationship with
another man going back to last September. Which was about a month and a half, two months before they tried to maybe do in the father.
GRACE: Well, you know, do in, that`s certainly putting perfume on the pig, David Priest. I mean, Matt Zarrell, wasn`t a pitch? It`s not a rake, Liz. I
appreciate that mockup right there, but it sounds more like a pitchfork that they tried to use on the father. Matt, what happened?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: So, according to documents that we have, the father said that the son lured him up to the second floor of the
garage by asking for help carrying a heavy box of tools. Steven Franklin, the son waited until his father had his hands full and then attempted to
push him down the stairs on to what the document described as a spiked rake placed at the bottom of the stairs.
When Donald Franklin, the victim was able to drop his tools and keep himself from falling, the victim told cops that his son yelled, "you won`t
get away from me this time" and then chased his father down and stabbed him in the shoulder with a paring knife.
GRACE: Dave Priest, WRNN, is that your understanding of the facts? What do you understand happened, Dave?
PRIEST: That`s pretty much in a nutshell exactly what happened. That, you know, the spiked rake I don`t know if it`s what we`d call here in the
south, a hoe rake or how the son thought that the father was going to fall all the way down the stairs and actually impale himself on this rake. But
when that didn`t work the paring knife came out. But, yes, that`s pretty much exactly what happened.
GRACE: Carissa Kranz and Robert Schalk, first of all, to you, Carissa Kranz, an innocent person doesn`t -- when the cops have their cell phone
suddenly go oh, I`ve got to wipe off all these pictures of the twins right now. That is not the act of an innocent person to go hit the kill switch to
delete all of your data so police can`t get it.
CARISSA KRANZ, MULTI STATE ATTORNEY: I agree with you that it could be consciousness of guilt, but at the same time, Nancy, she could be suffering
from battered woman syndrome.
GRACE: How genius.
KRANZ: There is -- there are allegations of abuse. It is possible...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Can you answer what I asked you, please?
KRANZ: She`s not thinking clearly, and she`s scared and she`s afraid.
GRACE: I think she`s thinking very clearly, Carissa Kranz. Like, I shot, can we get it out of the weed and back in the middle of the road, OK. I
asked the question about hitting the kill switch on the -- for the iPhone to erase all your data.
ROBERT SCHALK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There`s a big difference between implying to kill your husband and making a stupid decision to try to destroy
evidence. If she`s guilty of that, so be it. Her big...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: So, why destroy evidence if she`s not guilty of the bigger deed.
KRANZ: Because she`s scared.
SCHALK: Correct. And Carissa is correct. One aspect and you`re leaving out of this entire story is that the 19-year-old daughter told authorities that
my father has been sexually, verbally, and physically abusive to me, my mother, and my brother. That is a huge aspect is going to play a step up.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Actually, I`m not leaving that out, Robert Schalk.
SCHALK: Well, we haven`t talk about it.
GRACE: Joining me right now is the daughter, Savannah Franklin. Savannah, thank you very much for being with us. Your mom accused of plotting to kill
your dad. You insist that that could not be. Explain to me why.
FRANKLIN: It is my mom would never in her life think of doing something like that. Because she`s always been the person that makes the most money
in the house, and she`s never really like -- she`s not a violent person, I cannot picture her doing something like that.
GRACE: What do you make of the $1 million life insurance policy, that she took out on your dad just before this alleged murder attempt?
FRANKLIN: Well, all of -- my dad, he`s the one who wanted the upper -- to up the life insurance policy. Because before that, he had like a $750,000
life insurance policy. And so did my mom. They both have this life insurance policy.
GRACE: Well, was your dad stabbed in the shoulder or no?
FRANKLIN: No, ma`am. No one was stabbed.
GRACE: OK. Dave Priest, WRNN, police say he was stabbed in the shoulder by a -- with a knife.
PRIEST: According to the police reports, the search warrants and everything else, that`s exactly what happened. At least that`s what they`re reporting,
saying that he was stabbed. The warrant wasn`t taken out against Steven or Tammy Franklin until about five days later.
But they did show up, and when they showed up at the house, they found that it had been cleaned up, no tools were laying down there. They didn`t find a
spiked rake.
[20:40:01] And the son, Steven had changed his shirt. But at the same time, Donald had left that, the location at that point. But still according to
the police reports, it appeared as though, he was stabbed in the shoulder.
GRACE: Savannah. Joining me is Savannah Franklin, her father is claiming he was the victim of a murder for hire plot. And that the mother who
reportedly is having an affair and takes out this life insurance policy, is behind the whole thing.
Savannah, you are saying, you are making the allegation that your father abused you, and your brother, and your mom? Is that true?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am. He has abused me, my mom and my brother all of our lives.
GRACE: Now are you referring to physical abuse?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: At any -- how old are you now, Savannah?
FRANKLIN: I`m 19.
GRACE: Did you ever file a police report? Did your mom know about the abuse?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: You did file a police report?
FRANKLIN: No I never filed a police report, my mom she knew about it. The only reason I never file a police report is that because my dad always
threatened me every time I tried to.
GRACE: Are you -- were you living in the home?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Did your mom know that you were being abused?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: And did she file a police report?
FRANKLIN: No, ma`am. Because she also got threatened by my dad.
GRACE: When did these abuse allegations first surface, when did you finally make them public?
FRANKLIN: It was after my dad had left my life in November.
GRACE: After your dad what?
FRANKLIN: After he left in November because I filed a restraining order against him, and I knew that he couldn`t make all the threats that he made
to me, he couldn`t like make them possible, because there`s was a restraining order against him. That`s when I told everyone about it.
GRACE: Now, Savannah, you`ve told a restraining order, but is it true your father filed a restraining order first?
FRANKLIN: Against me, no ma`am. He never filed a restraining order against me.
GRACE: Against your mom?
FRANKLIN: That I`m not sure of. Because I know that my mom has...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Yes. She filed a -- your father filed a restraining order for protection from your mom.
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: And then after that you filed a restraining order against him. What I`m not understanding, you`re saying your mom works and makes all this
money. And she`s very level headed. Why she would allow, if she knew about it, abuse in the home on her daughter? Question to you, what is the nature
of the abuse?
FRANKLIN: Physical abuse.
GRACE: Such as what?
FRANKLIN: And mental abuse. Such as him hitting me, yelling at me, calling me names, and threatening me and such as that.
GRACE: OK, so beating you and hitting you and calling you names?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Is that the extent of the abuse?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Now, was there ever an occasion that you said he sexually abused you?
FRANKLIN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: But now you`re telling me he did not sexually abuse you?
FRANKLIN: No, he did sexually abuse me, but I just didn`t want to talk about that on here.
GRACE: I understand that. I understand that. Was a complaint ever made about that?
FRANKLIN: No, ma`am, because no one ever knew about it until now, because he always threatened me if I told my mom or my brother, or anyone around
me, friends, family, anyone. That he would hurt me and hurt them.
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GRACE: Horrific dash cam video captures the moment a cop going 91 miles an hour, no official business kills two teen girls. Tonight, we learn the same
cop disciplined two times in the past. But even that doesn`t stop this deadly crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sixteen-year-old Isabella Chinchilla and 17-year-old Kylie Lindsey died in the Carroll County crash, even though the Nissan
turned in front of the cruiser, GSP says Scott`s lights and sirens were not on and he was not heading to an emergency call.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s in fire. Get them out of here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Smoking. Get them out of here.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To Pat Lalama, managing editor of Crime Watch Daily.com. Pat, thank you for being with us. Where was this cop going? Why was he going 91, oh,
81 miles an hour?
PAT LALAMA, CRIME WATCH DAILY MANAGING EDITOR: According to the investigation, which she has right here -- which we have right here. He
claims he lost track of speed and perhaps was hurrying back to write his reports, Nancy.
GRACE: So, no official call? He wasn`t going to a 911 call, he wasn`t going to a crime scene, nothing like that, Pat?
LALAMA: Nothing at all going 90 miles an hour on U.S. 27. And his attorney even says, he just lost track of his speed like many of us do.
GRACE: OK. Well, when many of us lose track of the speed, we end up with at least a ticket. And if you kill somebody in the middle of it, it`s
vehicular homicide.
Vincent Hill, a former cop, investigator, author of "Playbook to a Murder, an Incomplete Pass." What do you make of it, Vincent?
VINCENT HILL, FORMER POLICE OFFICER: Well, Nancy, I got to tell you, there`s no excuse for him going 91 miles an hour on that country road. I
mean -- unless he was going to back up an officer or running code three to a call. There`s no reason for that. He should be charged with vehicular
homicide.
GRACE: Joining me right now in addition to Vincent Hill and Pat Lalama is a special guest, it is Tracy Tatum, the aunt of Isabella, one of the two
little girls that were killed in the crash.
[20:50:02] What do you make of this? How is the family dealing with the fact that he got no charges whatsoever. He even ran for city council and
won.
TRACY TATUM, ISABELLA CHINCHILLA`S AUNT: Yes. It`s kind of an understatement to say that we are devastated. I`m sorry, Nancy. I`m going
to try to get through this without falling apart and crying. Carrying that calm, you know, it just all brings it back.
Yes. The district attorney has had 30 years` experience and he looked over the investigation. He looked at all the evidence and decided that there was
enough evidence, plenty of evidence was the term used, to charge him with five felonies, two vehicular homicides, two serious injuries and one
violation of oath of office.
So, going from five felony charges by a district attorney with 30 years` experience to no indictment, we cannot possibly understand the injustice
that`s going on here. Our hearts are broken in a million pieces.
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GRACE: After she and her 4-year-old girl suffer a string of mystery illnesses, she brings in an investigator who says he discovers a hidden
room full of deadly mold. But management says they don`t know anything about a so-called hidden room.
But tonight, do pictures and video prove the hidden room and the deadly threat are very real?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a silent but deadly killer lurking in your house. And all across America, mold has killed hospital patients, shut down
schools, caused lung disease and driven families from their own homes.
Now, a Georgia mom claims she found a hidden space in her home full of mold. Mold that was making her and her little daughter sick. What can you
do when disaster strikes?
GRACE: Straight out to Cherylyn Woody who says she discovers deadly mold in her home. You say, Cherylyn, that this was in a hidden room?
CHERYLYN WOODY, DISCOVERED MOLD IN HER HOME: Yes, ma`am. I rented the home. I had no idea that this room even existed until myself and my daughter just
became increasingly ill. And finally figured out that it had to be environmental and had the home inspected.
GRACE: Now, you brought out an investigator that deals with mold. And what, if anything, did -- oh, my goodness. Is this the picture? We`re showing
with her, her lawyer, Brittany Turner. Is this -- Brittany, is this the room?
BRITTANY TURNER, CHERYLYN WOODY`S ATTORNEY: Yes. That`s the room that was discovered beneath the house.
GRACE: OK. So, let me understand. Cherylyn Woody, tell me about the illnesses your 4-year-old little girl was suffering.
WOODY: She began about six, five to six months into our residency there, she began to have really, really deep chest wheezing. She was coughing. She
had drainage in her sinuses, her eyes were watering. And I took her to her pediatrician and they prescribed inhalers. She was on antibiotics. They --
she was on that for a while. She seems to kind of stayed the same. It didn`t improve.
GRACE: Dr. Ken Redcross, board-certified internal medicine and concierge doctor joining me out of New York. Dr. Redcross, help me understand what
mold like this, to this extent can do to a child.
KEN REDCROSS, BOARD-CERTIFIED INTERNAL MEDICINE: You know, Nancy, this is, unfortunately, a story that I hear so many times, especially in a lot of
apartments and inner city areas where you have these landlords who don`t know that there`s mold.
You know, lots of times you have children that will come to the office. They`ll have asthma, shortness of breath, wheezing and all of kind of
phantom illnesses that just do not make sense. So, this unfortunately that`s something that`s extremely important. And I`m sure Brittany is seem
like...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: What can it do to a child? That`s my question. What can the potential outcome be? If the child has asthma and they`re sucking in mold
every night, what does that do to them?
REDCROSS: Well, it does several things. It can cause things such as pneumonitis, which is a horrible infection of the lungs, sometimes it can
also cause the infection that the mother mentioned, as well as in the sinuses. It can actually be deadly in some cases.
GRACE: Cherylyn, question, we hear what Dr. Ken Redcross is saying, well, what did management say when you told them about the mold?
WOODY: They claimed that they had no knowledge of the room.
GRACE: Well, they`ve certainly seen these pictures because we`ve seen them. Now what?
TURNER: I`m...
(CROSSTALK)
WOODY: Go ahead, Brittany.
TURNER: Well, we`ve been in touch with management and I`d like to make very clear that this is still ongoing and we`re still going through the
discovery process. Their assertion is that they had no idea that the room or the mold existed.
And I just want to be very clear, the room was beneath the house. And it was not discoverable from the inside of the home, which is our issue with
the property management company. Why wasn`t this investigated or disclosed to Ms. Woody prior to her signing the lease?
GRACE: Cherylyn Woody and Ms. Turner, thank you for being with us.
Let`s honor American heroes, Illinois officers Bryan Poradzisz and Kevin O`Connor, saving a choking baby girl on the roadside. The infant turns blue
and unresponsive. Officers arrive, do CPR and Heimlich to save her life. The baby girl, back with family.
Illinois officers Bryan Poradzisz, Kevin O`Connor, American heroes.
Forensic File is up next. Thank you to our guests but especially to you. Like every night for inviting us in to your home. Nancy Grace, signing off.
I`ll see you tomorrow night 8 o`clock sharp, Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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