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Dismembered Seattle Mom`s Body Found; Behind Bars Tonight, On A Rampage Claiming She Lives Like A "Dog In A Cage" And Cries That Her Rights Are Violated. She Is Actually Claiming That She Is Embarrassed. Her Grocery Lists Including Zit Cream, Beano Gas Relief And Homemade Sex Toys, Made Public. Aired 8-9p ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. A mom of three dips her toe back into the dating scene. It ends in tragedy. The mom goes on an on-
line date to a Mariners game with a 37-year-old dream man. In the last hours, that missing mom found dead in a local recycling bin, her remains
wrapped in several plastic bags and, quote, "still fresh," recovered just two miles from the Mariners` stadium.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone discovered body parts inside a recycling bin.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inside plastic bags.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The human remains belong to a mom of three.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Friends say Lyne had gone on a date before she disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A date she met on line.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) investigating, including how and where she died.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Jodi Arias, convicted of killing lover Travis Alexander -- 27 stab wounds and a gunshot wound to the head leaving Travis slumped dead, naked
in the shower -- Arias on the warpath behind bars, on a rampage, claiming she lives like a, quote, "dog in a cage" and cries her rights are violated,
Arias claiming she`s embarrassed, her grocery list, including zit cream, beano gas relief and homemade sex toys made public.
Whoa! Wait a minute! The woman who slashes Travis`s throat from ear to ear after a marathon sex session, records their phone sex, pages and pages
of sexting -- and now she`s embarrassed?
Tonight, we learn a movement to get Arias released, Arias raising $250,000 from all over the world to hire a private investigator. The appeal is on.
Could Jody Arias walk free?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: Like, when you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me? You get (EXPLETIVE DELETED) between two (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
Called me Pollyanna, porn star and skank.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Busted, caught on camera! Surveillance footage spots a woman seemingly grieving over a dead body at a funeral home viewing. But take a
closer look. She`s actually twisting the wedding ring right off the finger of the dead mom. The grieving daughter leaves her mother`s side just 15
minutes heartsick.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. A mom of three dips her toe back into the dating scene. It all ends in tragedy. The mom goes on line, gets a date to a Mariners
game with a 37-year-old dream man. In the last hours, that missing mom found dead in a local recycling bin, her remains wrapped in plastic bags
and, quote, "still fresh," her body recovered just two miles from the Mariners stadium. And according to our sources, her body was dismembered.
I mean, just imagine.
Out to the scene. Standing by, Brandi Kruse with CNN affiliate KCPQ. Just imagine, you go out to your recycling bin and you see several bags, I
assume white or black big trash bags that weren`t there earlier. The trash had already been picked up. And then you find out it`s a dead woman.
Let`s start at the beginning, Brandi. When does she go missing?
BRANDI KRUSE, KCPQ CORRESPONDENT: Well, she was reported missing early Saturday morning, but right now, it`s unclear. Did she actually go missing
Friday night after the date you mentioned? You know, we know that this wasn`t just a Mariners game, it was the Mariners` home opener. According
to her friends, she had gone on a date with this fellow who she met on line.
But we know that she was actually reported missing early Saturday. She was supposed to pick up her daughters, or her former husband was supposed to
drop her three daughters off with her. And when she wasn`t home, when she wasn`t there, clearly, they knew something was amiss. You know, she was a
very dedicated, loving mother. And so she was reported missing then.
GRACE: You know -- Brandi Kruse joining me, KCPQ -- Brandi, of course, naturally, you always look at the husband, the lover, the boyfriend, the ex
first. But the husband is actually the one that calls police and raises the alarm. To my understanding, he goes to take the three girls -- their
ages, 8, 9 and 12 -- back to the mom. He`s had them overnight. And she`s not there.
[20:05:12]Is that how it went down, Brandi?
KRUSE: Yes, and it wasn`t just the ex-husband. There were friends and family members of Lyne that were very concerned, as well. As they said,
you know, this wasn`t an irresponsible woman. She was a nurse here at a hospital in Seattle. By all accounts, she was a very dedicated mother.
You mentioned her girls -- the youngest 8, the oldest just getting into her early teens. And so clearly, when she wasn`t there for her daughters, it
raised alarms not only with her former husband...
GRACE: I`m sick. I`m sick. Brandi, I`m sick! I mean, this mom...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: She gets divorced in 2014. She`s been very careful about getting back into the dating scene, doesn`t want to cause turbulence with her three
little girls. She finally finds dream man on line, a 37-year-old guy that -- I`m telling you, he looks like Nick Lachey to me, very handsome, on
line, he paints himself as fun, outgoing, funny.
You know, Pat Lalama, managing editor, "Crime Watch Daily," I mean, if you look at this guy -- and we can`t show you the pictures yet because I`ve got
to determine the DOB on this guy. When you look at him, Pat Lalama, the guy she had the date with is very attractive.
PAT LALAMA, "CRIME WATCH DAILY": Nancy, everyone in our newsroom said the exact same thing. Of course, you know, you can`t tell necessarily by
looking at someone. But let me describe -- dark hair, big blue eyes, really nice smile, and what got me, pictures of him apparently with his
sister. They looked so loving -- pictures of young children that looked like part of his family, communication with family members, easygoing guy.
You just can imagine there`s this young, wonderful mother of three who`s saying, OK, it`s my turn. Here I got with this nice guy. We`re going to a
season opener. And look what happens.
GRACE: You know, speaking of the Mariners stadium, as you pointed out, it was not just a game. Or was that Brandi? It was the home opening. Let`s
see a screen about how big the stadium is. You know, this place is dripping with surveillance video, Justin Freiman.
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That stadium has well over 100 cameras. They`re used often. They`ve already been used once to catch
people stealing within the stadium. So we know they`re everywhere over there. The thing is, this is opening day, probably a sell-out crowd, over
47,000 people. It`s a lot of video to get through.
GRACE: Everybody, for those of you just joining us, a mother of three little girls, ages 8, 9 and 12, goes on, we think, a first date with a 37-
year-old dream man she meets on line. Her body has just been found.
To Dr. William Morrone, renowned forensic pathologist joining us. Dr. Morrone, we`re still confirming this, but I believe her body was
dismembered. So what kind of clues will that give us?
DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, any time you have individual body parts, they have to be taken off. So the cutting tool, the
edge of the cutting tool will leave specific marks in how the bones separated. Depending on, you know -- whatever you use to cut, whatever you
use to cut, whatever you use to cut, it`s going to make specific cutting marks that they can trace back to a weapon.
GRACE: OK, trace back to a weapon. But the psychopathy behind not only killing somebody but then dismembering them. And I wonder what, if any,
connection there is between this particular dumpster. I mean, the cops have got to look at the guy whose dumpster it was. You`ve got to look at
the ex. But to me, the focus is on this date. Pat Lalama, let`s -- oh, hold on. Let`s go right into a police presser.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At approximately 4:19 PM, a citizen living in the 1600 block of 21st Avenue reported finding what he believed to be human
remains in his recycling container. The items in question were inside plastic bags.
Patrol officers were immediately dispatched and responded to the scene. The officers externally examined the items, and they, too, believe that the
bags possibly contained human remains. The homicide stand-by sergeant was called and responded to the scene at approximately 5:00 PM. Upon further
examination by the homicide sergeant, the items were confirmed to be human.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To Dr. Morrone. According to sources, we have learned, quote, "the body was still fresh." Now, I don`t know how a layperson could determine
that, but what does that mean?
[20:10:03]MORRONE: Well, what it means is it wasn`t exposed to air and insect degradation. The reports that the limbs were in plastic. And the
difference is, this is how you protect things. Crime scene will wrap hands in paper or bags to preserve DNA or hair or skin under fingernails.
Well, the murderer wrapped them in plastic instead of just plain limbs out in the open that would begin to rot and have bugs infest and blowflies. So
there`s none of that. This is going to be pristine. It`s going to be a lot of evidence here.
GRACE: OK, here`s another issue. The body is found dismembered. I`m telling you, you don`t go from no record to murdering and dismembering a
body. I`m just telling you this ain`t his first time at the rodeo, OK? You don`t go from being a normal guy having a first date with this gorgeous
young mom, and then suddenly, you`re dismembering a body.
Let`s see some other pictures of the women that we have identified missing in the Seattle area. There aren`t many of them. These are the pictures
that we have managed to locate, women that have gone missing, never heard from again. Take a look at this woman. There are many, many of them --
you know, just the thinking of it, the psychopathy of it.
Unleash the lawyers, Riah Greathouse out of Atlanta, Seema Iyer out of New York.
Seema, whoever did this thing and murdered this young mom, this is not the first crime they`ve committed, Seema.
SEEMA IYER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, there`s always got to be a first. And that`s one thing that you are failing to recognize. And this
could be a first. You don`t know that. There`s way too much evidence that still needs to be examined. There is no DNA right now that they`ve
uncovered. So we have to wait and see.
GRACE: This reminds me, the psychopathy behind this, if you think back, Riah Greathouse, on, for instance, tot mom, Casey Anthony -- she hid her
little girl`s body, Caylee, behind her elementary school where she used to sneak out and smoke, OK? For instance, Scott Peterson -- he was a
fisherman. Where did he put Laci`s body? In the San Francisco Bay.
So Riah, take off your defense hat just one moment and think this thing through. There`s got to be a connection between the killer, in my mind,
and where he dumps this woman`s body, this mom of three, OK? What do you think?
RIAH GREATHOUSE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, it`s just too premature. We don`t know anything right now.
GRACE: Oh, good gravy!
GREATHOUSE: There`s no evidence.
GRACE: You know what? Never mind. I`m not talking to you about guilty or innocent. I am talking about solving a horrible murder! You know, I don`t
know if you have children, but I have two 8-year-olds.
And you know, Dr. Morrone, let me go to you. Dr. Morrone, you have three children. The reality is this. These children are left without a mother.
And I don`t care if the father remarries, they will never have their mother!
MORRONE: Never.
GRACE: I`m not talking about guilt or innocence. I`m not slagging (ph) about the legal system. I`m saying, who did this horrible thing?
And the psychopathy behind killing her and -- I don`t think it`s the guy who found the body because he immediately calls 911. I doubt he would call
the police on himself, OK? But who would go to that neighborhood and leave that body, Dr. Morrone?
MORRONE: And a body that is dismembered and wrapped in plastic. This takes a lot of planning. You have to carry cutting tools that -- and then
you have to carry plastic. And then you have to put -- and you have to have a place to do this.
This is not a spur-of-the-moment thing. This has been planned out. And there`s probably other victims. And you`re right. You`re right about all
that. This is -- this is not spontaneous.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:18:05]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Friends say the mother of three left home to watch the Mariners` home opener with a date she met on line.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A citizen reported finding what he believed to be human remains in his recycling container.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her friends feared the worse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just knew, you know? I just knew.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Who killed this woman, this mother of three? She`s got three little girls, ages 8, 9 and 12, that she is raising. Her husband brings
them home from a visit -- they`ve been divorced since `14 -- and she`s not there. He knew immediately something was very, very wrong. Then this
mom`s body, Ingrid Lyne, turns up in a dumpster, in a trash bin in a residential neighborhood
Pat Lalama joining me, managing editor "Crime Watch Daily," Brandi Kruse, reporter KCPQ. Brandi, what was the condition of her body? How was her
body severed? Do we really know yet?
KRUSE: Well, we know a little bit of information. The Seattle Police Department identified one part of her body definitively that was found.
And they said that that was her foot.
And we have reporters out at the scene, clearly, and one of the individuals who was there when this discovery happened said that the foot had toenail
polish on it. So immediately, I think a lot of people thought, Well, clearly, these were the remains of a female. And at the time, we had known
about this missing woman out of Renton. And so I think some of our minds started to go to the terrible possibility that this is who -- who was
there.
There have also been reports, as I`m sure that you`ve read, that her head was also located in that recycling bin. It`s not something we`ve
confirmed. But we do know that the Seattle Police Department was able to, based on what was in the recycling bin, identify those remains as belonging
to her.
So that tells me a couple things. It could tell me that it was her head or it could tell me that there was some other identifying characteristic of
this...
(CROSSTALK)
[20:20:05]GRACE: Brandi, it`s got to be her head. It`s got to be dental records, a particular marking on her body or fingerprints.
To Pat Lalama, "Crime Watch Daily." Pat, what more are your sources telling you? We`ve also been told he actually severed the mom`s head. And
I`m going back to what Morrone was just saying. This is not something you do on the spur of the moment. I mean, you`ve got to have all those tools.
Where are you going to do this? Not in your car. So what do you know, Pat?
LALAMA: What`s really so incredible is how methodical and seemingly -- these are my words, not anyone else`s -- pre-planned all of this is. There
wasn`t that much of a window, if we`re assuming this man is the perpetrator. We don`t know exactly yet.
What I find interesting, when you talk location of the body, why there, why in that neighborhood? And why take the meticulous time to seemingly
preserve the parts? There seems to be some strategy in that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The homicide protocols were then activated, and the homicide unit and the CSI team joined the investigation. The King County
medical examiner`s office took custody of the remains. That evening, at approximately 11:00 PM, the homicide unit learned the Renton Police
Department had taken a missing person report at 10:10 hours that morning. The homicide unit obtained a copy of the report from the Renton Police
Department. A photograph of the missing person was obtained by the homicide detectives. Based on observations by the investigators, the
victim was tentatively identified.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:25:48]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When Renton mom Ingrid Lyne disappeared after a Mariners` game...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) the kids, and they need their mom!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone discovered body parts in plastic bags inside a recycling bin.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The items were confirmed to be human. We`re very confident that the victim is the one that has been identified in the media.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Someone would kill this woman and then dismember her body, leaving her three little girls to be raised without a mother? Tonight, who would
do this thing?
To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Ben, what can we learn? This is odd, Ben. Her cell phone and her purse were at home. Her car, however,
was left downtown, as if somebody wanted it to be stolen. And I guarantee you, Ben Levitan, whoever would have stolen that car ultimately would have
had this murder pinned on them because, you know, you steal the mom`s car, then police would assume that you killed the mom.
So how can you track a car?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Well, Nancy, I think what`s even easier is she left her phone at home for some reason. We
know -- we can assume that she must have communicated by phone with the person she was going out on this date with. So we have his phone number.
From there, the police know that guy`s phone number, they can easily track him around the Seattle area.
Nancy, there are 88 cell towers between her home and Mariners field. The police can go to the cell phone companies and they can track the movement
of his phone the entire night. Did he meet her somewhere?
GRACE: Right.
LEVITAN: Did he pick her up? Did he take her to the Mariners game...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... if this is the perp, where the dismemberment occurred.
To Toni Coleman, on-line relationship coach and psychotherapist. I don`t know what that means, an on-line relationship coach. I`ll explore that
later, Toni. But what I want to know right now is how people, like this guy, goes on line and makes himself attractive.
For instance, on-line dating profile tips from Self.com. Swap friend`s photos for you photos. Make yourself look fun. Wear eye-catching red. Be
funny -- in one of his pictures, Toni, he`s wearing funny glasses -- classy photos, not sexy. Have a short profile. Pare down hobby talk. Improve
upon your adjectives and focus on telling instead of confessing.
It goes on and on, Toni. How did this guy convince this mom to go on a date, Toni?
TONI COLEMAN, ON-LINE RELATIONSHIP COACH, PSYCHOTHERAPIST (via telephone): Well, Nancy, that`s the problem or the limitation to on-line dating because
it is really a one-dimensional view of the person. Everything that they put there of themselves is all the information that you`re going to get
until you meet them. And they can create a whole on-line persona that has very little reality to it. It`s what we call (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: Very little to do with reality.
(CROSSTALK)
COLEMAN: ... very common.
GRACE: Toni Coleman with us.
Dr. William Morrone, renowned pathologist. Dr. Morrone, if Levitan is correct, his cell phone, if he`s the right person -- and I swear he`s a
dead ringer for Nick Lachey, you remember, was married to Jessica Simpson, a boy bander.
How would he have done this? What type of set-up would you need, like Dexter (ph), to dismember a human body so neatly and discard it like it`s
trash in a trash bin, somebody else`s recycle bin?
MORRONE: You need an area that is going to have good ventilation and be at least 10 by 20 so you can bring a body in, lay it down or put it on a
table, a steel table, a wood table, something heavy.
And when you`re pulling limbs away, you need at least 10 feet around you to cut them off. And you`re putting them in bags because you know you`re
going to transport them and you cut them off and they`re bleeding. And they`re going to keep bleeding. That`s one of the reasons why they
probably used the bags, but it still worked against them because that`s going to trap DNA and fingerprints and all sorts of data inside the bag.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
NANCY GRACE, NANCY GRACE SHOW HOST: Jody Arias, convicted of killing lover Travis Alexander, 27 stab wounds and a gunshot wound to the head, leaving
Travis slump dead, naked in the shower, Arias on the warpath.
Behind bars tonight, on a rampage claiming she lives like a "dog in a cage" and cries that her rights are violated. She is actually claiming that she
is embarrassed. Her grocery list including zit cream, beano gas relief and homemade sex toys, made public.
Wow, wait a minute. The woman who slashes her ex`s throat from ear-to-ear after a marathon sex session. She records their phone sex, there are pages
and pages of sexting but tonight she`s embarrassed? Her rights have been violated?
This as we learn, a movement afoot to get Arias released, you heard me right. Arias is raising $250,000 from all over the world to hire a private
investigator. The appeal is on. Could Jody Arias walk free?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JODI ARIAS, SUSPECT: I kind of felt like a prostitute. The first night was the grinding and the next night was oral sex. I felt a little bit used.
TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Start touching yourself.
ARIAS: I am already. I really, really want to -- right now. You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: But tonight, she`s embarrassed and claims her rights have been violated. Of course, she tells us she has a cushy time behind bars and even
gets special privileges. Listen.
(BEGIND VIDEO CLIP)
ARIAS: We had chicken fajitas here tonight.
WILLIAMS, INTERVIEWER: Oh, wow.
ARIAS: They were so good. Yes, really good.
WILLIAMS: I haven`t had a chicken fajita in so long.
ARIAS: Yes. It was a big old pile of like caramelized onions and some bell pepper, like all the works.
WILLIAMS: Oh, wow. So you`re finally eating dinner tonight? You even go to dinner? So you probably eat dinner?
ARIAS: Yes, yes. Well, on the weekends, I even had dinner. But on the weekdays, we get like sandwiches, nothing very good. Yeah.
WILLIAMS: Oh.
ARIAS: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I bet Travis Alexander wishes he could have a sandwich, but he can`t because he`s on the wrong side of the grass, the bottom side. That was her
later online, a recorded conversation of Jody Arias behind bars.
Now let`s see why Arias is claiming tonight her rights have been violated. I`m going to get to her trying to raise $250,000 in just a moment. Let`s
see the grocery list she`s mad about.
Acne wash, anti-shank toothbrushes, Beano gas relief, clarifying shampoo, body lotion, blah, blah, Tinactin for athlete`s feet and interesting,
homemade sex toys. Okay.
To Matt Zarrell, after she had a marathon sex session with Travis Alexander and then killed him, I would think she never wants to have sex again. What
are the homemade sex toys? How do you get that in the commissary, Matt? That`s news to me.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes. Well, we know from the commissary order that Arias purchased ten -- ten anti-shank toothbrushes in three
months and I should not that during that three months, she never once bought toothpaste during that time.
And we know that from former inmate Teresa Guidice that we have covered has claimed that during her own prison stint, she discovered that inmates use
toothbrushes as sex toys and we know that Arias purchased an anti-shank toothbrush literally every week for the last three months.
GRACE: OK, now Zarrell, I don`t know whether if I should thank you for that tidbit of information. So Jody Arias, Alexis Tereszcuk, Senior Reporter
Radaronline.com, in addition to trying to raise $250,000 for her appeal is apparently making homemade sex toys behind bars out of toothbrushes.
Now, I`m not going to go into that, but ten toothbrushes and no toothpaste, interesting. So what`s -- why is she whining? What`s the point? So her
grocery list has been revealed. She`s claiming her rights have been violated?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER OF RADARONLINE.COM: Even though she is locked up behind bars for a life sentence with no possibility of parole,
Jody is under the impression she deserves some sort of privacy.
The thing is this was -- I requested this from the prison and they gave it to me. This was not a secret document that I dug up in the ground of a
hidden report.
Jody Arias` life is public property now and she has no rights any longer to be mad about this. So you can see from her list, she is living the high
life behind bars.
GRACE: Guys, she says she`s embarrassed and she is actually thinking of filing a lawsuit for having her rights violated. This is the woman who
recorded her murder victim`s sex sessions, phone sex, reams of sexting. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ALEXANDER: Actually, probably (BEEP) probably use a 12-year-old girl for orgasm.
ARIAS: Sounds like -- sounds like what?
ALEXANDER: A 12-year-old girl (BEEP) of a little girl.
ARIAS: You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARIAS: The stars are brightly shining...
ALEXANDER: I`m going to tie you to a tree and (BEEP).
ARIAS: Oh night -- like when you -- me, you could just (BEEP) between two (BEEP). Cody Foley Anna (sic), porn star and skank.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Tonight, a move of foot for Jodi Arias to walk free. She is raising $250,000, a quarter of a million dollars. She`s got money pouring in from
all over the world. There is even a Jodi Arias is Innocent website.
Tammy Rose to you, explain to me why she says she is being mistreated behind bars and also, that she lives like a dog in a cage?
TAMMY ROSE, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, according to one of her websites, she`s actually receiving quite a few perks. She has a Styrofoam chest
inside her cell that, apparently guards fill with ice.
She has a slew of magazines to read. She also has multiple TV stations to watch, including A and E and also, quite a few letters and fan mail that`s
constantly being sent into her and it amazing me how many people write me me to tell me they`re actually contributing to her defense fund.
GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline.com. You didn`t tell me about her TV selection. What else does she have, A and E, CNN, I knew that...
TERESZCUK: Time, HLN.
GRACE: Oh, dear. OK and...
TERESZCUK: The Hallmark channel.
GRACE: 60 letters a day and a lot of them stuffed with cash. Joining me right now is Dorian Bond, a private investigator who is working on the
Arias appeal.
Dorian bond, you have an excellent reputation as a private investigator, why tarnish it with Jodi Arias? I mean, she shot the guy 27 times, she has
shot him the head.
DORIAN BOND, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR OF ARIAS CASE: Well, we get higher by all kinds of clients for the defense cases. So it`s part of the process for an
appeal and part of the process for a common defense case.
GRACE: What if you actually get her loose? How would you feel to you, Dorian? Would you feel good about that?
BOND: I don`t think there`s a possibility she`s going to get loose. I think she`s concentrating on her rights during the trial.
GRACE: Her rights violated during the trial? Did I hear you correctly, Dorian Bond? Her rights -- what rights were violated during the trial?
BOND: Well, she has a -- she has a right to -- like a defense team and she wasn`t happy with the first chair of the case. So she was happy with the
second chair and she wanted to replace Kirk many at times and she wasn`t afforded that opportunity.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Riah Greathouse Atlanta -- Seema Iyer, Defense Attorney in New York. Seema Iyer, there was no doubt that she killed this
guy. They are even arguing a police cover up that the evidence on the cell phone was planted, really?
The evidence of the cell phone where she takes a picture of her own foot at the crime scene and ended up in the washer, they`re saying police planted
it, Seema. Are you going along with that?
SEEMA IYER, NEW YORK DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, that is something that needs to be investigated, grounds for appeal. An addition, she did repeatedly ask
for a new lawyer. She deserves a right to council...
GRACE: She had council.
IYER: Not what she chose. And now her rights are being violated even more. You -- everybody on this panel keeps neglecting the fact prisoners have
rights and...
GRACE: I`m not arguing...
IYER: She has been exposed exponentially. She`s been embarrassed to the public and this could hurt her chances for appeal.
GRACE: Riah Greathouse, you really believe a judge is going along that her rights have been violated because we got her grocery list? She`s raising
$250,000 to get out of jail to mount her appeal, Riah. Why does she care about Beano, zit cream and homemade sex toys? I would expect nothing less
of her.
RIAH GREATHOUSE, ATLANTA DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, you might not like it but at the end of the day, she is a human being and she is entitled to her
human rights.
GRACE: So does Travis.
GREATHOUSE: She is entitled to her dignity.
GRACE: OK, isn`t it correct, Alexis Tereszcuk, she had two rounds at trial, the first jury locked on sentencing. There was another trial. She had a
fleet of lawyers. She had experts out the yin-yang.
So how were her rights violated? I mean did you hear her talking about fajita night? I wish when I got off the air, I could go home and there
would be chicken fajitas and caramelized onions. That`s not going to happen, Alexis. What is the violation? Explain to me.
TERESZUC: There is no violation with this. But the violation is actually that Jodi has committed behind prison walls. In fact, she`s in trouble
behind prison. She was caught -- she called a guard a nasty name and the prison had a hearing.
She was found guilty and punished behind bars. She hasn`t been there a year and she lost contact visits for 180 days, at least...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I would be very concerned, Tammy Rose, Investigative Reporter, about all of her toothbrushes because it is very common behind bars to make
what`s called a shank. You can make them out of spoon, you can make them out of a toothbrush.
You can make them out of really anything where you sharpen the end of it and wrap tape around the other end and boom, you have a lethal weapon.
She`s got ten toothbrushes, no toothpaste. What is that about, Tammy?
ROSE: Well now, they`re bringing the dogs to do routine checks in her cell. Those ten toothbrushes that she ordered in a short period of time without
the toothpaste, they think she is using it for other uses other than brushing her teeth. So inmates are telling us that her room is routinely
searched. The dogs are brought in. They`re checking on her very closely.
GRACE: They think she`s using the toothbrushes as a shank. This is a woman now claiming her rights violated. She is mounting a defense to get out of
jail, raising 250 grand from donors all over the world. She claims she is embarrassed. We found out about her Beano and zit cream. This is the woman
that`s embarrassed? Listen.
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ARIAS: Like when you (BEEP) me but like I`m looking with my head tilted back. So all I can see is the outline of my chin and then cheek and jawbone
and like the ears and hair but you can`t see the rest of my face.
You can feel (BEEP) between (BEEP). We can focus with the neck and everything for it`s a little bit blurry, but they are kind of artistic, you
know what I`m saying?
ALEXANDER: Oh great.
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GRACE: Busted, caught on camera. Surveillance footage spots a woman seemingly grieving over a dead body at a funeral home viewing. But take a
closer look. She`s actually twisting the wedding ring right off the finger of the dead mom. The grieving daughter leaves her mother`s side just 15
minutes heart sick.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(UNKNOWN MALE): Gathered together to remember the life of Lois Hicks. It`s an emotional time that has taken a bizarre turn. Cameras caught her wedding
ring being stolen from her finger in broad daylight.
BRANDI CARRASCO, VICTIM`s GRANDDAUGHTER: It`s a mission. This is our mission to find this woman. It just disgusts me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This woman goes into a funeral home viewing and takes the wedding band right off this mom`s finger, tearing the skin off in doing it. Now it
may sound funny about tampering with a corpse, but if it happens to your family, it`s not so funny. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(UNKNOWN MALE): Marty, come here a minute.
MARTY, ACTOR: Is this his flat one?
(UNKNOWN MALE): No, someone must have switched it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is Kirby enthusiasm from production partners where Larry David steals off a dead body and it was funny. But that`s not real life, this is.
Take a look at this woman. Let`s run it in slow-mo. Robyn Walensky, Senior News Anchor at The Blaze. What happened, Robyn? What do we know?
ROBYN WALENSKY, THE BLAZE SENIOR NEWS ANCHOR: Well this woman in Texas, Nancy, here in Texas, she just casually walked in. Most people would be
creeped out to go near a dead body of someone they don`t know and she goes and puts her hand in the casket where this 88-year-old woman is dead. And
she goes and reaches for a ring on her finger.
GRACE: Awful. Awful, Robyn Walensky. With me right now, the granddaughter of the lady, Lois Hicks. Brandi Carrasco is with us. Brandi, I cannot
believe this happened. When did you guys find out the wedding ring was torn off Miss Hick`s hand?
CARRASCO: We found out Friday evening at about 5:30, 5:35.
GRACE: You know, I`m stunned. Stacy Newman, didn`t she also tear the mom`s skin, Miss Hicks` skin trying to get the ring off?
STACY NEWMAN, REPORTER: Yes, there were visible red scratches to her hand. She tore her skin off pulling off the ring.
GRACE: Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining me out of Chicago, explain to me the thinking behind going into a funeral home to view a body you are not
connected to and stealing off the corpse.
TIFFANY SANDERS, CHICAGO PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, it`s totally unthinkable. This woman was an opportunist. She went into this funeral home. She knew
this woman`s body was unprotected. She reached in there, twisted the arm.
This woman lacked remorse and empathy. Now empathy is feeling the emotions of someone else. She did not care about the family, she did not care about
their wellbeing or that this ring should have went with this woman in the ground in her casket. Unthinkable and this woman lacked total empathy.
GRACE: You know, that is a mental defect to have no empathy whatsoever at all. Miss Carrasco, it was a very sentimental ring. It was a wedding ring.
When you guys found out, what was the reaction?
CARRASCO: We were all in shock and disbelief and really just horrified...
GRACE: Everyone -- 432-333-TIPS. We remember American hero army private first class Kenny Rojas, 21, Pembroke Pines, Florida. Purple heart, a
military family, loved music and singing. Parents Denia and Carlos, his brother Steve, fiance and high school sweetheart, Gretel. Kenny Rojas,
American hero. Let`s support 4H Grows True leaders, a nationwide effort to empower young people.
For info, go to 4h.org. Forensic files next. Thank you to our guests, but as always, to you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off. I will see
you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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