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DUI Woman Drives With Body Through Windshield; Mother of Two Guns Down Home Intruder But She is the One Facing Charges; `Top Gun` Superstar Kelly McGillis Screams for Help in Terrifying 911 Call; Honoring an American Hero Who Comforted Man Stuck Under Car. Aired 8-9p ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Reports a 29-year-old Oceanside, California, woman bar hops until 6:00 AM, then jumps the curb,
starts driving on the sidewalk, then plows into an innocent pedestrian whose body wedges in her windshield. A severed leg flies through her car,
landing in her trunk, and she just keeps driving.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say 29-year-old Oceanside resident Stacy Sanchez was driving along Mission Avenue when she apparently lost control, fatally
striking a 69-year-old man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car drove up over the sidewalk and struck him while he was walking on the sidewalk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The impact so intense, the victim`s body crashed like a projectile through Sanchez`s windshield.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: A mom of two guns down a home intruder in her 10-year-old daughter`s bedroom after they come home Sunday night. But tonight, is
vigilante mom heading to jail?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the mom had arrived home with her 5 and 10-year-old and found a stranger in her child`s room. There was a
confrontation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I looked out my window, and 30, 40 police were running down the street.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Neighbors who didn`t want to be identified heard glass breaking earlier in the evening..
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: "Top Gun" superstar Tom Cruise co-star screaming for help, begging cops to save her from a home invader in a terrifying 911 call. We have the
call.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Reports a 29-year-old Oceanside, California, woman bar hops until 6:00 AM, gets stinking drunk, jumps the curb, driving on the
sidewalk when she plows into an innocent pedestrian, whose body wedges in her windshield. A severed leg flies through her car and lands on her
trunk.
And even with a dead body on her windshield, hanging in front of her, a severed leg, a human leg flies through her car as she`s driving and lands
on her trunk, and she just keeps driving?
Not only that -- straight out to Tom Perumean, investigative reporter -- isn`t it true that according to reports, she then gets out of the car and
just starts walking away?
TOM PERUMEAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): That`s right, Nancy. She drove for at least three quarters of a mile to a mile from that
incident. She pulled into a residential neighborhood and parked the car on a residential street, got out of the car, and by all reports was calmly
walking away from this horrific scene.
She was later turned in, apparently by her boyfriend, when she got back home.
GRACE: Whoa!
PERUMEAN: She apparently walked all the way home.
GRACE: I`m just overwhelmed that she would get out of the car and just walk off. In fact, someone asked her, according to reports, Is everything
OK? She goes, Oh, sure, everything`s fine.
With me right now, I`m hearing in my ear, Ryan Keim, PIO, Oceanside Police Department. Thank you for being with us.
RYAN KEIM, OCEANSIDE POLICE DEPARTMENT (VIA TELEPHONE): Thank you.
GRACE: You know, I`m stunned when I look at this vehicle and I see on the windshield where the dead body was wedged in. What is your assessment of
what happened, sir?
KEIM: Well, what happened was the driver of the vehicle, a 29-year-old Oceanside resident, was traveling on one of our major thoroughfares in the
city. Driving, she actually left the roadway, drove onto the sidewalk and struck the victim, 69-year-old Oceanside resident.
After striking the victim, she went back in the roadway and continued driving. It`s about a mile from where that accident occurred to where she
left the car. And she left the car. She got out, and she started walking to her house, which is about two blocks away from where the car was left.
So at that point...
GRACE: So she drives over a mile. With me is the PIO from Oceanside PD. It`s my understanding she drives over a mile with a dead body on her
windshield wedged.
Take me down for a moment. Let`s see the front of this vehicle, Liz, because we say wedged in the car -- you see the dent at the top of the car,
at the to of the car, over to the left. That is where we believe the victim`s head was. And then, I guess the leg, the victim`s leg, was
severed as he wedged, his body wedges into that windshield.
[20:05:10]He`s walking along the sidewalk one moment. The next moment, he`s dead because she`s driving on the sidewalk. Is that correct, Ryan
Keim?
KEIM: Well, it does appear at this point that she did leave the roadway, went onto the sidewalk, and that`s where she struck the victim,
unfortunately. The impact was so great that the victim went through the windshield, actually all the way through, and he was in the passenger
compartment when officers located him.
GRACE: Whoa! OK, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait! You`re just telling me some new facts. With me is the PIO there in Oceanside, for the
PD, police department. So he`s not just wedged on her windshield. He`s in the seat beside her. There`s a dead body in the seat beside her and she
keeps driving. Did I get that right, sir?
KEIM: Well, she -- I don`t know exactly where the location was, but he was in the passenger compartment of the vehicle.
GRACE: OK, how did the leg become severed? How does a leg fly through and end up on the trunk?
KEIM: I don`t have any details about that.
GRACE: OK. With me is the PIO there in Oceanside with the police department.
Now, I want to go very quickly to Dr. William Morrone, forensic pathologist, a renowned medical examiner joining us tonight. You have
studied all of the evidence that we have so far. What happened, Dr. Morrone?
DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER/FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, in addition to that, it`s very similar to when a car hits a deer. And I`ve
hit three deer in my lifetime. She had to be traveling 50 to 60 miles an hour to hit a body, for it to come through the windshield.
And that`s about the same speed -- if you hit a deer in the in the Northern states, 50, 60 miles an hour, that deer can come through the
windshield. It has to be about the same. It`s about the same amount of mass.
And that`s way too fast for a sidewalk drive. But that`s enough speed for glass to sever arms, legs, heads off of bodies, and have parts end up
inside the car -- 50, 60 miles an hour on a sidewalk.
GRACE: Back to the PIO in Oceanside, Ryan Keim. Sir, do we know what her blood alcohol was at the time?
KEIM: No. At this point, we`re not releasing that information. So the officers did -- when they responded and they spoke with her, they did
determine that she was under the influence of alcohol when the collision occurred, though.
GRACE: Well, how can you tell that without the blood alcohol?
KEIM: No, we have the blood alcohol. We`re just not releasing that part of the investigation at this point.
GRACE: OK, I understand that. Why is that not being released?
KEIM: We want -- our most important goal is making sure the integrity of the prosecution or the criminal case is upheld. And that`s a good point.
I think that it`s important to realize how dangerous drinking and driving is, you know, and this illustrates the danger that two lives are damaged
irreparably. And I think that, you know, this illustrates the fact we need to come together as a community to somewhat encourage the public to either
report drunk drivers, don`t allow drunk drivers to get behind the wheel. And it`s really a team effort between the police department and the public.
GRACE: Well, I think you`re absolutely right, but I still don`t understand why the blood alcohol, which is a critical piece of this case, is not being
released. But I will ask this instead. So the officers were convinced that she was drunk.
KEIM: After the officers did their initial investigation, they believe there was enough probable cause to place Ms. Sanchez under arrest for DUI
and then DUI with a blood alcohol level of .08 or more. And those are two different penal codes in California.
GRACE: Right. Could you tell me -- you said two lives were irreparably damaged. I assume you`re talking about the poor guy -- as of yet, the
family has not been contacted, so no one is releasing a name on that. But I`m sure you`re talking about him. And who`s the other person whose life
has been irreparably damaged?
KEIM: No, it`s the suspect and her family. And it`s just an unfortunate situation altogether.
GRACE: Well, you know...
KEIM: And it`s easily preventable.
GRACE: I understand unfortunate. I call it, if it`s true, Tom Perumean, a crime. And it`s unfortunate that somebody drinks alcohol until 6:00 AM.
I mean -- back to Ryan Keim. It was 6:00 o`clock in the morning. It was daytime, it was daylight when this happened, wasn`t it?
[20:10:00]KEIM: Correct. It was about 6:20 (INAUDIBLE) daylight.
GRACE: I mean, Tom Perumean, investigative reporter, you can`t even argue that it was dark and there weren`t any lights. It was broad daylight. It
was morning time. It was approaching 7:00 AM.
And according to what we know, she comes home, heading home, drunk as a skunk, high as a kite on booze, and plows this guy down after driving down
the sidewalk, then to make it worse, has him hanging on the front of her windshield and keeps going, Tom. I mean, what could possibly be a defense
to that?
PERUMEAN: Well, there really isn`t going to be a defense to that. And this case is really only just now getting going. You know, bars in
California close at 2:00 o`clock in the morning. This was four hours after bars close, and she was still this drunk to be out and wandering around
behind the wheel of a vehicle. We`ve got to find out...
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers.
PERUMEAN: ... what bars she was at because...
GRACE: Man, you`re not kidding about that.
PERUMEAN: ... there`s a potential liability issue here.
GRACE: You`re not kidding about that, Tom Perumean. Oh, Tom Perumean, you`re going to tell me now that there`s a chance that what, she`s going to
sue the bar for serving her? You got to be kidding me, Perumean!
PERUMEAN: No, no. No, no. She`s not going to sue the bar. The bars may be held liable...
GRACE: Civilly, yes.
PERUMEAN: ... for turning a drunk woman loose on the road.
GRACE: Please don`t give defense lawyers any ideas, Perumean!
Speaking of, out of LA, Troy Slaten, out of Atlanta, Mindy Smith. All right, Slaten, don`t try to copycat what Perumean just whispered in your
ear. So what`s your defense?
TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, first of all, it`s horribly tragic what happened to this guy. Nobody deserves to be killed like that.
But Nancy, there are some really interesting things about this case. Number one, it`s true that bars close in California at 2:00 AM. So she may
have been asleep somewhere and had to get away in some sort of emergency situation.
She may have the defense of necessity. Maybe she had to drive to protect herself. Maybe there was some obstruction or something horrible on the
road that she was avoiding...
GRACE: Hold on.
SLATEN: ... at 6:00 AM. Maybe it was a child and she...
GRACE: What do you mean, protect herself from what?
SLATEN: Who knows? Maybe she was in an unsafe situation, you know, being...
GRACE: Yes, she was driving drunk.
SLATEN: ... impaired by alcohol. Or maybe she was avoiding being raped or assaulted or killed. You know, who knows what she was getting away from.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Are you just making this up, or do you have some evidence to support this?
SLATEN: Well, I know that, you know, when someone`s driving at 6:00 o`clock to go home and the bars close at 2:00 -- I`m really interested to
know what happened during those four hours.
GRACE: Let`s find out. Stacey Newman, do we know what she was doing between 2:00 AM and 6:00 AM?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that`s a piece of this case that`s missing that police are investigating. But Nancy, they`re probably
going to look at her cell phone to see where those pings would reveal where she was between those four important hours before she hit this man.
GRACE: Well, you know what? Bottom line, does it matter under the law where she was? The fact is -- you know what? I`m going to go back to Ryan
Keim, the PIO, Oceanside PD. Listen, sir, I`m not going to try -- I`m just a lawyer. I got a J.D., not a DDS. I can`t pull a tooth. I know I`m not
going to get the blood alcohol out of you.
But did you just hear the defense lawyer, Mindy Smith (sic), say, We don`t have any proof she was DUI? See, there you go. When you don`t release the
blood alcohol, it`s going to be argued, No, she wasn`t drunk.
But what I do know is that based on the blood alcohol, the police charged her with driving at least .08, which is the violation of the law, correct?
And isn`t it true, Ryan, she didn`t even call 911 to save this guy?
KEIM: No. At this time, the witnesses did call 911 when they observed her park the vehicle. And then her live-in boyfriend called the police
department to let us know that there had been an incident, and that`s when we responded and spoke with the suspect.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:18:02]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Continued driving for about a mile with a mortally injured man stuck in the smashed windshield.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From there, she got off of the sidewalk and then continued to drive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say Sanchez then abandoned the 2006 Pontiac along Magdalena Drive, near her home, and ran off screaming.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And in addition to driving along with the dead body that she has just run over wedged in her windshield, the body then ends up falling
forward into the passenger seat, severing the leg.
The leg somehow -- and I`m going to have to go to you again, Dr. William Morrone, on this. Dr. Morrone, renowned forensic pathologist joining us
tonight.
I don`t understand how this severed a leg, and the leg ends up on the trunk. My point that I`m making, Dr. Morrone, is there`s no way -- it`s
broad daylight. It`s now nearing 7:00 AM, and she`s been out drinking, bar hopping all night. How can you not notice a dead person that has come
through your windshield? And doesn`t bother to call 911. She`s got her cell phone with her.
MORRONE: Here`s what you have at the upper end of blood alcohol. People lose their peripheral vision, and all they see is what`s in front of them.
And all they hear`s what is being said to them. That`s why driving a car is insane.
There`s 88,000 lives are lost to excessive drinking. And when somebody comes through the windshield, in a joint like an arm or a hip, when the
glass severs the joint, it will flop around and go all the way through, based on 50 to 60 miles an hour.
So it`s quite -- the body had to flip to the side. It wasn`t just straight in. It hit and then it flipped. and the glass, like a guillotine, severed
the limb, which continued at 50 or 60 miles an hour through the windshield into the back.
[20:20:15]GRACE: Could he have died from the severed leg, possibly the severance of the femoral artery?
MORRONE: He probably more or less died from a broken neck almost instantly on impact because that`s the weakest point, with the least amount of
muscles. The leg probably happened after the fatal event. But we`re talking only a matter of seconds -- smash the head, break the neck, cut the
leg, all happening like that.
GRACE: Yes, what I`m trying to figure out -- you may have just answered me, Dr. Morrone. Back to the PIO with Oceanside Police Department, Ryan
Keim. I`m just trying to figure out, Ryan -- and again, thank you for being with us. I know there`s a lot you can`t tell us tonight because it`s
part of an ongoing investigation, and I do not want to jeopardize that. as much as I`m trying to get answers.
But what I`m trying to figure out, Ryan, is how much this guy suffered -- how much he suffered. What did he know? What did he feel? I know that he
was basically impaled on that windshield, has his leg severed from his live body. The rest of him lands in the passenger seat.
Right now, his family has not even been notified that their father, their grandfather, is dead, and died like this. And it`s disturbing to me, Ryan,
that she made no attempt, Stacy Sanchez, 29-year-old, bar hopping all night long -- made no attempt to even call 911 to try and save the guy`s life.
Is that for sure, Ryan? She absolutely did not call for help?
KEIM: At this point in the investigation, we do not believe she did. But this is a very thorough investigation. We have a team of traffic officers
that have been working on this since it happened. And its` going to take - - I mean, they`re going to look at every angle and it`s very important to look at the big, complete picture once it`s all done, make sure that we get
every little piece and put it together.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:28]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And remained lodged against her front passenger seat. Even more shocking, Sanchez failed to stop. Police
quickly located her and took her into custody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If somebody had been drinking out -- out drinking until 2:00 o`clock in the morning and they`re getting in a fatal collision at
6:00 o`clock in the morning, there`s a lot of time that`s unaccounted for.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: What was the victim conscious of? What did he feel? He is walking on the sidewalk, according to eyewitnesses and reports. According to
forensic evidence, this woman is well over the legal blood alcohol limit, driving on the sidewalk, hits an innocent pedestrian, who then becomes
wedged in her windshields, falls into the passenger seat, his severed leg flying through the car and landing on her trunk.
To Ryan Keim, the public information officer, Oceanside PD. Were there ever any skid marks? Were there any skid marks at all? Did she even try
to stop?
KEIM: I don`t know at this point if there were skid marks. That`s one of the items of evidence that the traffic investigators are going to be
looking at. They will go out and they`ll take measurements. They`ll talk to witnesses. They`ll look at the car...
GRACE: I`m just sick about this. You know, I really think, Ryan -- and I know you`re not going to be part of the charging decision, that you`re
going to get everything together and take it to the district attorney`s office. But to me, this is murder by vehicle. I mean, to hide behind a
bottle of wine or a sixpack of beer and escape murder charges is just wrong.
To Corporal Dwaine Parker now joining us, accident reconstructionist, former traffic homicide investigator. Corporal Parker, thank you for being
with us. I want you to weigh in on this.
CPL. DWAINE PARKER, ACCIDENT RECONSTRUCTIONIST (via telephone): Yes, Nancy. Some of the things that I was listening to from the PIO when he was
talking about putting pieces together, he`s absolutely correct. Their THI team is going to have to prove first that she was the driver, and then
second that she was impaired at the time of the crash.
And some of the things they`re going to look at is finding the real witnesses, which I think that they have already established that. They can
obtain her clothing at the time of the crash and look for, like, pieces of glass from the windshield, any body fluids from the victim itself, or any
video that was in the -- around the businesses or in the residential areas at the time of the crash, when she got out of the vehicle.
The second is they can go and look at her phone records, as somebody else had indicated, and try to get some bar or restaurant tabs and videos or
witnesses showing that she was drinking.
GRACE: That`s a good point of video within bars. And I know Ryan Keim is already all over that, from Oceanside PD.
Mindy Smith, Troy Slaten -- you know, Mindy Smith, a lot of people call this a drunk driving accident, but it is no accident to drink one glass
after the next, after the next, after the next shot until, finally, you`re stinking drunk.
Then it`s no accident that you walk to the car, that you unlock the door, that you take your key, put it in the ignition, crank it up, put it in
reverse, put it in drive, and get out on the street.
That is a very well planned event. And I don`t think it`s right that somebody can hide behind vehicular manslaughter charges and escape a murder
charge when this guy had his leg severed and suffered on that windshield, and she never even called 911, Mindy!
MINDY SMITH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy...
GRACE: What?
SMITH: ... you`re assuming a lot of facts.
GRACE: Really? What?
SMITH: When people are in shock, they do strange things. You`re assuming also that this lady was not injured herself. Look at the windshield of the
car. She very possibly could have suffered a head injury or other sort of injuries.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Let`s look at the car ... let`s look at the car. Let`s see.
(CROSSTALK)
SMITH: She could have been hit with debris.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Because I don`t see anything on her side, Mindy.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You look at the car.
(CROSSTALK)
SMITH: It doesn`t mean that she wasn`t hit.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: It doesn`t say. Look at the car. I`m looking at the car. There is nothing there. You know what? Let`s ask Ryan.
Ryan, when she was booked in that night, did she go to the hospital? Because I`m sure the jail would not have taken her if she had any trauma or
injury.
RYAN KEIM, OCEANSIDE POLICE DEPARTMENT PIO: No. The suspect did not require any emergency medical attention and she was booked in the jail.
[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: A mother of two, guns down a home intruder that she finds there in her 10-year-old little girl`s bedroom as they come home. But tonight, is
vigilante mom herself the one who`s heading to jail?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Woke up to police shouting and surrounding the home next door where a 33-year-old mother and her two children had recently
moved in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The next thing I know, police were getting the tapes off and people are getting told to get inside their house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police stay the mom had arrived home with her 5- and 10-year-old and found a stranger in her child`s room. There was a
confrontation.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Can you imagine coming home on a weekend night, you`ve got your children with you. You go into their room with them. And there, you see a
grown man in the little girl`s bedroom?
Of course, the mom got a hold of a gun she had and shot him. But in a bass ackwards move, tonight, she may be facing charges after she guns down a
male intruder she finds in her girl`s bedroom.
Craig Fronek is with us, host of "Sunrise With Craig", KCMX. Craig, thank you for being with us. What do you know about this case?
CRAIG FRONEK, NEWS RADIO 880 KCMX "SUNRISE WITH CRAIG" HOST: Hi, Nancy. Thank you. It`s sketchy. The law enforcement is ongoing right now. But just
like you said, Saturday night, this mom and her two children show up.
The police received the 911 call about 1:45 a.m. and the deed had already been done at this point but you know, she`s a homeowner, she`s owned the
home since January. It is a nice neighborhood. And who would expect that this -- I guess reports show that this man, this stranger, she had never
met him before, broke in through a rear window and was in the girl`s bedroom and that`s when she must have heard noise. Obviously, she put the
children in another part of the house. And she had a guns. So she went to use it.
GRACE: This is a complete aberration of the law. And if this is the law, then the law is an ass.
Imagine coming home, to your home, on a Saturday evening. You come home with your children and you find a complete stranger there in your
daughter`s bedroom. The mom guns him down. But tonight, in a twist of justice, she is the one facing charges. And it is not the first time.
Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doucet, A karate instructor, had abducted 11-year-old Jody Plauche. His father, Gary, was coping with reports that Doucet had
sexually assaulted his son.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eric Plauche shoots and kills him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gary! Come on, Gary!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Texas father beats his daughter`s alleged molester to death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy was raping my daughter and I (inaudible) and I don`t know what to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) (BLEEP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at me you piece of (BLEEP)! Look at me! Look at me!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I don`t understand how this is happening. Joining me right now, Troy Slaten and Mindy Smith. All right, Slaten, give me one good reason the
mother should be charged. She is the one that guns down the intruder. Why not gun him down?
TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Because in Oregon, yes, there is no duty to retreat in your own home, but the use of force has to be proportional to
the threat that you are facing.
Meaning, if he was just there to steal some things, you just can`t shoot somebody even though they`re in your house. So, if she had a reasonable
belief that he was about to kill her, that he was about to use deadly force on her or her family, then yes, she could shoot him. But it doesn`t look
like that`s the situation here.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Why? Why doesn`t it look like that`s the situation?
SLATEN: Because it looks like this guy got no criminal history and ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: How could she know that?
SLATEN: Well -- it doesn`t look like he was trying to attack her. So, that is going to have to come out during the investigation.
(CROSSTALK)
[20:40:00] GRACE: But, but but -- do you think -- when he lunges at her with a knife or at her daughter with a knife ...
SLATEN: Yes.
GRACE: ... is that when?
SLATEN: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: OK. So you`re telling me that you really believe this -- we`re not just arguing this for argument`s sake, Troy Slaten. Do you really believe
this?
SLATEN: I reasonably believe that you just can`t start shooting people.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: OK, hold on.
SLATEN: And ...
GRACE: Edward ...
SLATEN: ... so, if ...
GRACE: Start -- just start shooting people, the guy is in her daughter`s bedroom, Slaten.
SLATEN: Yes. So, somebody is in the house, that doesn`t mean that he was going to cause her deadly harm. So ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: But how is she to know that? She`s not clairvoyant.
(CROSSTALK)
SLATEN: Nancy ...
GRACE: How could she know he wasn`t about to kill her daughter?
SLATEN: Nancy, I`d never want to go up against you as a prosecutor because -- look, you`re very strong and I would be afraid to be a defense attorney
in court with you, but ...
(CROSSTALK)
SLATEN: ... I know that you would be a very fair judge.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You seem like it is, all right, to espouse a ridiculous theory for a victim. She is a crime victim, and you`re saying she should be charged?
(CROSSTALK)
SLATEN: Nancy, here`s the bottom line.
SMITH: Nancy, it wasn`t reasonable for her to kill him.
GRACE: it wasn`t reasonable for him to be in her daughter`s room.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: You know, Mindy, I think you`ve claimed that you have children in the past. If you come into your home and you see a man, an unknown man, a
stranger, not connected to your family at all, in your daughter`s bedroom, of course, she should shoot him.
Hold on. Edward Kroll is joining me, defense attorney out of that jurisdiction, Portland, Oregon. Edward, thank you for being with us. Can
you explain to Slaten and Smith, what is the Castle Law in your jurisdiction?
EDWARD KROLL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure, Nancy. Thanks for having me. You know actually Troy, you got it a little bit wrong. Oregon says you can`t use
deadly force under most circumstances, but it does carve out three specific circumstances where you can.
And one of them is when you reasonably believe that you have to use deadly force to protect yourself from a burglary, which is exactly what this was.
A burglary is entering a dwelling in this case with intent to commit a crime therein. And so, if the mom reasonably believes that this guy was in
the process of a burglary, Oregon law does give they are ability to use deadly forceful.
GRACE: OK. I`m going to let you put that in your pie and smoke it, Troy Slaten and Mindy Smith. Dr. Lillian Glass joining me out of L.A.,
psychologist, body language expert.
Dr. Lillian, it seems that these defense attorneys want her to be clairvoyant. Of course, she is going to kill the guy. She`s never seen him
in her life. He`s in her daughter`s bedroom. Of course he has got to die.
DR. LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, I`m with you a million percent on this one. Absolutely. Because this is her daughter, she is being protective
and this is a mother`s instinct, and she did the right thing, as you say.
[20:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: "Top Gun" superstar, Tom Cruise`s co-star, screaming for help, begging police to save her from a home invader in a terrifying 911 call. We
have that call.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KELLY MCGILLIS, ACTRESS: Help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s McGillis calling 911 while fighting off an alleged attacker inside her own home.
MCGILLIS: Stop!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address? What is your address?
MCGILLIS: Help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That is from ABC`s GMA "Good Morning America." Let`s go straight to the terrifying 911 call.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911. What`s the address of the emergency?
MCGILLIS: I have somebody in my house ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
MCGILLIS: ... broke into my house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is it?
MCGILLIS: Right now, help me.
(BEEP TONE)
MCGILLIS: Help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, crap.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. This is 911. What`s going on there, Ma`am?
MCGILLIS: I have somebody in my house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, what`s your address?
MCGILLIS: Stop!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address?
MCGILLIS: Please, please stop!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address? What`s your address?
MCGILLIS: Please, help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address? Ma`am, what -- ma`am, what is your address? Hello?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911. What`s the address of the emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is woman -- I`m driving, I`m at the Hendersonville Police Academy. A woman has just pulled me over. She said
that someone has broken into her house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, where does she live?
(BEEP TONE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to Chris Spargo, reporter dailymail.com. Chris, thank you for being with us.
You know what makes this even worse is the "Top Gun" star has already been a victim. She was a victim of rape earlier in her life, and she has been
fighting that her whole life.
There you see "Top Gun" from Paramount Pictures. Chris Spargo, let`s fast forward to this. What happened to Kelly?
CHRIS SPARGO, DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER: So Kelly was out one night. She came home a little after 9:00 p.m. She opens up her front door. She immediately
notices that these two pairs of sandals, starting to think what could be happening when she sees a woman coming down the stairs towards her,
screaming that Kelly the actress is attacking her on Twitter. Clearly something is wrong. She immediately walks outside her door, stands in the
front yard, calls 911. And that beep we hear followed by the screaming is when this woman runs out and starts attacking her.
GRACE: Now, it is overwhelming when you hear the "Top Gun" star screaming for police to come and save her.
You are seeing shots right now of Kelly McGillis. A beautiful star, breaking through in "Top Gun" with Tom Cruise. And to make it so much
worse, Matt Zarrell, is her history. What do we know, Matt?
[20:50:00] MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, we know that in responding to critics she described how she was gang raped at age 12. She
was held up at gun point during college, attacked in a New York City subway and then she spoke about this, Nancy, repeatedly in -- in an article in
1988. In 1982, she was raped by two males as well.
GRACE: You`re seeing "Top Gun" from Paramount Pictures, and this is when the general population, most of us meet Kelly McGillis. I remember her
statements and her coming out about not being afraid and shamed, to put it out there that she is a rape victim. But Matt Zarrell, you`re telling me
not only was there the incident when she was 12 but then later again in life, the same thing happened again?
ZARRELL: Yeah, in 1982, she was raped by two men. I should note, Nancy, that she calls herself not a victim but a survivor.
GRACE: You know what? You`re so right. Matt Zarrell, giving me all of that. You`re seeing "Top Gun" from Paramount Pictures when the world really began
to know Kelly McGillis.
What they didn`t know is that she is a two-time rape victim. Once when she was just 12 years old and then later in life.
Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist, body language expert. Now this has to happen to her?
GLASS: Nancy, this is so tragic. It is horrible. And she is going to require a lot of therapy to deal with this. This is just horrible. It
couldn`t have happened to a worse situation.
GRACE: And you know, the other thing, Chris Spargo, dailymail.com, so many crime victims that I have worked with and represented, Chris, almost
anything can cause flashbacks of the original crime. It could be anything. Much less another traumatic event like a home invasion on Kelly McGillis.
Chris, what do we know about the perp?
SPARGO: They were actually in the house with a small child, believed to be their actual child when they were attacking Kelly McGillis. So, hopefully
this person is going to get some help but they are facing a lot of charges for this attack.
GRACE: You`re seeing "Top Gun" from Paramount Pictures. The good news is, Kelly McGillis, alive and well.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Says, hello. Hello. And came out and said a bunch of ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address?
(CROSSTALK)
MCGILLIS: Please help!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your address?
MCGILLIS: Please, help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911. What`s the address of the emergency?
MCGILLIS: I have somebody in my house ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
MCGILLIS: Broke into my house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is it?
MCGILLIS: Right now! Help me ...
(BEEP TONE)
MCGILLIS: Help me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, crap.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: You are hearing the "Top Gun" star in a shocking 911 call. This, after she has already been a victim of violent crime, not once but twice.
You are seeing the movie that introduced her really to the world. "Top Gun" from Paramount Pictures. So, back to you, Chris Spargo, dailymail.com. You
hear her screaming and screaming into the 911 call to dispatch, but dispatch sounds really calm.
SPARGO: They do sound really calm, and I mean this escalates incredible quickly as you can hear on the call, she`s very calm at first and then you
can tell she`s clearly being attacked or something has happened, based on the way she is screaming into that phone.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Troy Slaten and Mindy Smith. Weigh in on your defense, Troy Slaten.
SLATEN: This is a woman who is clearly not in her right mind. I mean, somebody doesn`t break into a home, holding a little child and has the
intent to commit a crime there, and she really thought that something else was going on.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Let me understand something.
SLATEN: I don`t think that this is a woman who was trying -- who was trying to attack Ms. McGillis.
GRACE: Chris Spargo, dailymail.com, she didn`t try to attack the "Top Gun" star. She did attack the "Top Gun" star. You can hear her screaming.
SPARGO: That`s correct. And she was covered in scratches and bruises when police got to her. She is at the police.
GRACE: So Slaten, I don`t know where you`re getting -- was -- tried to. She did attack. Kelly McGillis is just coming into her home, Mindy, and she
gets attacked. She even leaves. She tries to get out to call 911 and the intruder follows her and attacks her.
SMITH: And I`m sure that that was harrowing for her, Nancy. But this individual is mentally ill. And ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Instead of you?
SMITH: ... the statutes in most states ...
(CROSSTALK)
SMITH: That is through a J.D., not an M.D.
GRACE: What that it, Lillian Glass? You`re the only one on this panel that can really speak to that.
GLASS: Absolutely. And she may very well be. But still, the fact that she spoke to her, that she was yelling at her, that there was this horrible
altercation going on. She knew what she was doing. She came to get Kelly, and that is a crime.
GRACE: And does that minimize what Kelly went through?
GLASS: No. Not at all. Kelly is ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Oh, great!
GLASS: ... going to go through so many problems through this because, you know, this is something that she has faced earlier in her life and now she
has to deal with it again.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: All over again, Lillian. All over again.
You know, let`s stop and honor American heroes, Adalkas Fernandez (ph), comforting a foreign man stuck under a car. Troy Hayden (ph) stops to help
a crash victim and becomes one himself, hit by another car. The entire time he`s trapped, his guardian angel, holding his hand. Adalkas Fernandez (ph),
American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy Grace, signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8 o`clock sharp,
Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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PETER THOMAS, "FORENSIC FILES" NARRATOR: In 1989, near the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania ...
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