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[20:00:00] NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight. High-ranking presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton aide husband busted sexting raunchy
crotch shots to a busty brunette while his tot boy, just 4 years old, laying right beside him in the bed. The tot boy, again, just 4 years old,
becomes part of Daddy`s raunchy sexting? Is that legal?
Bombshell tonight. As the latest photos emerge from Dailymail.com of Weiner moping around the kitchen, the famous dad with one foot practically
in the White House now faces a major custody battle as new and disturbing evidence emerges the Clinton aide hubby brags about using his son as a,
quote, "chick magnet" while sexting the busty brunette, whining and complaining about relations or lack thereof with Hillary Clinton aide wife
Huma.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anthony Weiner caught in yet another sexting scandal, the disgraced former congressman, husband to long-time and powerful Hillary
Clinton adviser Huma Abedin...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And now it`s been revealed that Weiner referred to the boy as a "chick magnet."
REP. ANTHONY WEINER (D), NEW YORK: I`m announcing my resignation from Congress.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I have made the decision to separate from my husband."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That`s from ABC`s "GMA."
And tonight, music superstar Rihanna brutally attacked just before she takes the stage at the Grammys, stunning photos of a bloodied and beaten
Rihanna go public. Her alleged attacker, R&B star Chris Brown. But hold on. Not so fast. It ain`t over yet.
After kicking out a window at ABC`s "GMA," breaking now. Police race to the home of the music star after a 911 call at 3:00 AM amid claims the star
points a loaded weapon at a beauty queen. It degenerates into pull (ph) a police standoff with the LAPD. After nearly 12 hours standoff with police,
Brown emerges from the mansion of his sprawling LA estate, takes off his sweatshirt and plops down on the ground!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Barricaded myself in my house. Have you seen my house?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Singer Chris Brown`s social media tirade in the middle of an hours-long police standoff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not pull a gun on a girl?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kelly Curran (ph) tells CNB (ph) she`s the one who called 911.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He pulled out the gun and he said, Get the F out of here.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And live, grand Junction. A soccer mom raising her three children on her own moonlights to make ends meet. There`s nothing wrong with that.
But nobody in her neighborhood ever guesses she had a night job as a hooker. And now the mom of three found dead. What happened to Paige
Burfeld (ph)?
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. High-ranking presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton aide husband busted sexting raunchy crotch shots to a busty brunette while his
little tot boy, just 4 years old, is laying right beside him in the bed. The tot boy, again, just 4 years old, becomes part of his dad`s raunchy
sexting. Is that legal?
As the latest photos emerge on Dailymail.com of him moping around his kitchen, the famous dad, who really has one foot practically in the White
House, now faces a custody bomb (ph) as new and disturbing evidence emerges the Hillary Clinton aide hubby brags, brags that he, quote, puts his son to
work as a "chick magnet." He`s bragging all this to the brunette, whining and complaining about his romance with the Hillary Clinton aide wife Huma.
But the big bombshell -- out to Noam Laden, news director, WABC -- is that according to sources, they have opened up a DFACS investigation on him.
Now, this guy is set to put that big toe of his in the White House because his wife, everyone believes, will be the chief of staff for Hillary Clinton
if she makes it that far.
[20:05:03]That means he`s in the White House with the wife. And now there`s a DFACS, Department of Family and Children, custody investigation
on the boy?
NOAM LADEN, WABC (via telephone): Yes, and -- well, we`re finding out this is what somebody inside children`s services in the city says, is that they
have started that investigation. There`d been some lawmakers who saw those pictures of him with his son lying in bed splashed on the front page of
"The New York Post" and said, Wait a minute. This might be endangering the welfare of a child.
And so usually what they do, when someone reports a case like that, within 48 hours, they`ll have somebody in that person`s home. Now, Anthony denied
that anybody stopped by his house. Somebody inside children`s services said, yes, somebody was inside the home on Tuesday.
GRACE: OK, hold on. So they`re doing a home investigation. All right, number one, a home investigation is when family children`s services comes
to your home and inspects it, typically with you there. Now, isn`t he denying that this has happened? And where`s the mom?
LADEN: Well, the mom, of course, Huma, is the co-chair of Hillary Clinton`s presidential campaign. She`s been on the road. The couple, we
heard, were together over the weekend before this story hit "The New York Post." They were out in the Hamptons together, Jordan, Huma an Anthony.
And we`re told that Anthony told her that this story was coming, and that he left on Monday morning from the Hamptons, leaving Jordan and Huma
behind. So whether...
GRACE: So let me understand something. Are you telling me, Noam Laden, WABC, that while DFACS is coming to the home -- I mean, I would pack up my
little red bag and I would get to the house if Department of Family Children`s Services is coming to investigate my house and what`s going on
there with my son or daughter. I would be there! Or do they not want him there? I mean, how does this work because he`s saying it`s not happening.
She apparently is on the road with Hillary Clinton, and DFACS is at the house, knocking on the door. Somebody better answer, right?
LADEN: Yes, and you know, look, Anthony, as we know, is a serial liar. I mean, he lied about sexting. He lied about stopping these relationships.
He was sexting again. So maybe he`s lying about the fact that children`s services showed up at his door.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Ashley Willcott, certified children welfare law specialist, Donald Schweitzer, family law attorney,
David Bruno, defense attorney, New York, Rene Sandler, defense attorney, Washington.
Rene Sandler, let`s just start with you. Give me one reason, Rene, one that not the mom, not Huma -- why shouldn`t he be prosecuted for child
endangerment?
RENE SANDLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Why should he be? He should not be.
GRACE: Should he not be. Why?
SANDLER: Absolutely not. No crime has been committed.
GRACE: Really?
SANDLER: Yes.
GRACE: OK, I want you to look at your monitor, OK?
SANDLER: I`m looking at it right now.
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) could you please show the picture of his erect genitalia with his baby beside him, OK? Now, look through those glasses.
Do you see that? It`s right beside "Pop Goes the Weiner." Right there. There is the erection, and there is the tot.
And isn`t it true, Michael Christian, that that`s not the only picture he`s sending, sexting. He sent, apparently, nine other pictures of his baby to
this woman?
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, that`s right, Nancy. Some of them are the child and Weiner together and some of
them are just the child.
GRACE: OK. Back to Rene Sandler. What about it, Sandler.
SANDLER: It`s the epitome of a full (ph) and bad judgment. There`s no crime that has been committed here at all.
GRACE: You can say that about every crime.
SANDLER: I can, but on this particular case, it`s not exploitive of that child. It`s a poor judgment for this man to do what he did.
GRACE: Poor judgment.
SANDLER: There`s no criminal action...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... Schweitzer -- help me out, Schweitzer. Throw me a bone.
DONALD SCHWEITZER, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, it may or may not be a crime. It could be argued that the child is being used in a sexual act,
and I suspect that the statutes prohibit that and probably criminalize that. A good argument could be made that, you know, he was showing
pictures of his child, but given that he had an erection and he`s got the child next to him, I would...
GRACE: He`s sexting.
SCHWEITZER: ... have to say that there could be...
GRACE: He`s dragging his child into his raunchy sexting. I mean, forget the fact that his wife is the one out making a living. That`s a whole
`nother can of worms right there.
But I don`t understand, Ashley Willcott, how I`m hearing these voices in my head. Oh, it`s Rene Sandler and Donald Schweitzer. They`re saying it`s
not a crime. I say it is. I mean, you can`t even take a child into a bar. You can`t smoke dope around a child. But now I`ve got a quasi-pornographic
shot with the baby in the picture!
[20:10:10]ASHLEY WILLCOTT, CERTIFIED CHILD WELFARE LAW SPECIALIST: Right. And Nancy...
GRACE: And he knows the baby`s in the picture because he says, "Oh, somebody just crawled in bed with me," and then sends the baby.
WILLCOTT: Right. It could be maltreatment of the child and could amount to neglect of the child because there`s no proper supervision, right? He`s
making bad decisions with that child. It could be child endangerment, as well, because of his actions with the child right there next to him.
GRACE: Joining me, David Bruno. OK, David Bruno, I`ve got a pretty good idea where you`re headed, but go ahead.
DAVID BRUNO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know it. Sorry, I disagree with you, Nancy. This is not criminal. And in fact, I really question this referral
because let`s not forget this comes from a politician. And it brings it back to...
GRACE: You got that right, Bruno.
BRUNO: Right?
GRACE: That`s true. I got to consider the source.
BRUNO: Right. So this is politics. We`re talking about it because of Hillary Clinton...
GRACE: Did you see that picture?
BRUNO: I did, but I do not believe that criminal charges will be filed as a result of it. We don`t see -- we do not see the child naked. That would
be a criminal charge. We do not see any actual sex act. That would be a criminal charge. The fact that there is an initial investigation...
GRACE: Oh, I get it.
BRUNO: ... does not mean criminal charge.
GRACE: Why is it always men, Dr. Tiffany Sanders, psychologist -- why is it always men that say sexting and e-mail relationships and the sending
pictures of body parts and the -- I want to be with you, do you want to be with me, let me see your X, Y or Z, send me a picture -- why do men always
say there`s nothing wrong with that? I didn`t actually meet her. There is something wrong with it!
TIFFANY SANDERS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. Right. Absolutely, Nancy. He`s using this kid, dangling it as a little carrot to attract young females,
young women. This is inappropriate for a married man. And as a psychologist, he should be teaching his child, reading him books and
interacting with him, versus taking pictures of his genitalia! So defending this is outright outrageous!
GRACE: And you can`t say, Dr. Tiffany, that this was an accident, that he was sexting -- you know, not judging whether that`s -- it`s not a crime, so
I don`t care. That`s between him and his wife.
But then you put the child in the picture knowingly ill with your sexting - - you know, here`s the thing. If you had a child in the home while the mom is hooking, oh, yes, that would be child endangerment. Mommy would go to
jail, right? But now that`s it`s Weiner and he`s married to somebody important, then suddenly, it`s all OK!
Well, as a matter of fact, take a listen to what Weiner said last time. And P.S., when he was saying all this, his wife was pregnant. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WEINER: I believe that everyone deserves an apology here, and I certainly...
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: Where`s your wife right now?
WEINER: I apologize (INAUDIBLE) I apologize to the many other members of the media that I misled. I apologize first and foremost to my wife and to
my family.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:17:04]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The selfie he sent to a woman not his wife shows him in his underwear, this time with his child beside him.
WEINER: I believe that everyone deserves an apology here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to "The New York Post," Weiner texted his on- line partner at least nine photographs of the child, some with Weiner and some without.
WEINER: ... the challenges in our marriage...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Tonight, another bombshell. We learn that DFACS, Department of Family and Children`s Services, have showed up at Weiner`s apartment. We
don`t know where Weiner is. Don`t know where the mom is. Now, he`s denying that this is happening.
What does that mean? Ashley Willcott, as I always say, when you look out your kitchen window, and you see the FBI picking through your trash, you
got a problem, just like when you look through the peephole and you see DFACS standing there, that`s a problem.
WILLCOTT: Absolutely. And whether or not you answer the door, guess what? They`re still going to investigate the case. So whether he`s home or not,
they`re going to continue that investigation once they`ve started it. Their mission and their goal and what they have to do by law is to protect
those children who are potential victims. And that`s part of their job. They`re going to investigate. They don`t go away just because you don`t
open your door.
GRACE: Take a listen to what the wife said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HUMA ABEDIN, WIFE OF ANTHONY WEINER: Anthony`s made some horrible mistakes both before he resigned from Congress and after. But I do very strongly
believe that that is between us and our marriage. We discussed all of this before Anthony decided to run for mayor. So really, what I want to say is
I love him. I have forgiven him. I believe in him. And as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Man, that was some dirt sandwich she just bit into! Noam Laden, WABC, when was that? When was that statement from Huma, the wife?
LADEN: Well, that was when Anthony Weiner decided to mount the campaign to be mayor of New York City. And he came awfully close to winning. But that
apology was what he needed. She (ph) was out there making the apologies to New Yorkers to say, Hey, if she feels OK about it, then we can feel OK
about voting for him.
GRACE: Now, what does it mean now, though, Noam Laden, the fact that not only has he got -- he had the child in the photos? We now learn there`s a
series of texts from him discussing the child and how he uses the child as bait to get women. How does that play into it?
LADEN: Well, I mean, you know, as he said, he said, Look, my son is a "chick magnet." He found out when he was in city parks that women would
come up and talk to him when his kid was around. And so clearly, he was using it when he was talking with this woman out west over the course of a
year, I mean, so much so that he was sending just regular full-on (ph) pictures of his son to her.
GRACE: Weiner`s sick boast about using son, quote, "putting him to work as a chick magnet," using him as bait to get women.
[20:20:10]Unleash the lawyers, Ashley Willcott, Donald Schweitzer, David Bruno and Rene Sandler.
OK, Rene, it`s interesting that from your vantage point there -- you know, you`ve just come from your nice office in Washington, D.C., and you can
somehow divine from Washington, D.C., that this is absolutely on the up and up and there`s no crime whatsoever.
Rene, you`re an experienced lawyer. Do you know verbatim the definition of child endangerment?
SANDLER: I absolutely do. I practice that every day, Nancy.
GRACE: And it is?
SANDLER: In my state, this would not be charged. I`m in Maryland.
GRACE: What`s the definition?
SANDLER: Nancy, he did nothing to put this child in...
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE)
SANDLER: Nancy, it`s not a crime! As you other...
GRACE: OK, hold on. I want to get the definition, Rene, since you obviously are not going to give it to me, and I can either surmise, A, you
don`t know it, which I know you do...
SANDLER: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
GRACE: ... or B, you don`t want to recite it. Matt Zarrell, on the story, let`s help Rene Sandler. What is the definition of child endangerment?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): OK, so if he or she knowingly acts in a manner likely to be injurious to the physical, mental
or moral welfare of a child less than 17 years old.
GRACE: OK, did you hear that, Noam Laden? Did you hear that, Ashley Willcott? Physical, emotional or moral wellbeing of a child less than 17
years old. Ashley, why is this not child endangerment?
WILLCOTT: I think it is. I think it could be charged as that. The other piece we have to remember is, again, now these pictures are very public.
This child is going to potentially hear about or see these pictures from now on. And so that continues to affect this child and is dangerous to the
child`s morals and wellbeing from now moving forward.
GRACE: To Donald Schweitzer and David Bruno. You know very well, Bruno, that if I went on line or any of us went on line, say, looking for a hooker
-- that`s pretty easy to find. But if you find a hooker on line and she`s dressed up in let`s just say her underwear and she`s posing with her knee
up in her stilettos and she`s got a little baby girl sitting, her little baby boy sitting on her knee, oh, yes, people would be all over her to
investigate her and prosecute her for child endangerment.
So what`s the difference, other than this is a rich guy connected to Hillary Clinton?
BRUNO: I mean, I see -- I don`t necessarily think that that hooker would be prosecuted, either, to be quite honest.
SANDLER: I agree. That`s right.
BRUNO: I mean, there`s really no difference between the two.
GRACE: Using a child in a photo that you disseminate for a sexual reason - - you don`t think there`s a problem with that? Well, apparently, DFACS disagrees.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:58]ABEDIN: Anthony`s made some horrible mistakes.
WEINER: I haven`t told the truth. And I`ve done things (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Texted out a photograph of himself in his underwear next to his sleeping 4-year-old son.
WEINER: Something that, frankly, had happened before, but it doesn`t represent all that much that is new (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: It`s not just sexting. It`s sexting with your child positioned next to your erect genitalia while your wife is out of town, sending photos
of your child, nine that we know of, to various women you`re sexting, and bragging, and sick bragging, that you use your son, putting him to work to
get women, DFACS allegedly showing up on the door of Hillary Clinton aide Huma and husband Anthony Weiner.
What does it mean? To you, Ashley. What is a DFACS investigation, and what are they doing? What good does it do to look around the apartment?
WILLCOTT: Well, during an investigation, they need to see what they can find or what they can discover or what they can hear that actually shows
that there`s any mistreatment or danger to the welfare of this child.
And so in doing that, they complete an investigation just like law enforcement might. And who knows what he`s got. He may have images. He
may have other images that nobody knows about. They need to make sure, is there food in the home? Is there clothing in the home?
You know, this is a man that has three times -- three times been caught. Never once has he said, My actions are inappropriate. Never once has he
said, I think what I did is not good and in the best interests of my child. They therefore have to find out, is he really taking good care of his
child?
GRACE: So there`s the criminal aspect of will there be a child endangerment charge. But David Schweitzer, this clearly is going to be
part of a custody battle.
SCHWEITZER: Yes. I don`t expect that Mr. Weiner`s going to have custody any time soon, or even visitation, maybe monitored visitation. The court
is going to be concerned about the health, welfare and safety of this child. And the mother in this case is going to be told that she needs to
protect that child and to keep him away from him.
So doesn`t look good for him. It could be a custody evaluation, but more likely than not, everybody`s going to admit that he`s an addict, a sexual
addict, and he`s not going to have any chance of real unmonitored visitation for anytime soon.
GRACE: You know, David Bruno, there`s another issue, and that`s judgment.
BRUNO: Sure.
GRACE: I mean, you don`t let children drive cars or enter into contracts because they don`t have adult judgment. And for instance, if you know
somebody has bad judgment -- they make one bad judgment after the next, one bad decision -- you don`t want them doing things like driving your children
around in the minivan because one bad judgment, like to turn on the video in the car or to turn up the music when you`re at a stop sign, can result
in something bad.
Now, does that person have a bad driving record? No. Do they have bad judgment? Yes. So...
[20:30:04] BRUNO: Absolutely.
GRACE: So, when you think about welfare for a child and you think about the bad judgment. I mean, his wife has a very, very public job, OK. And she`s
apparently very, very good at it. She has a pristine reputation. Not even a blemish. So, what does it say about his judgment that this isn`t his first
time at the rodeo, Bruno?
BRUNO: Right. His judgment is horrible.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I mean, he`s been busted over and over and over. In fact - I mean ...
BRUNO: Horrible.
GRACE: At some point you got to question, can he raise a child?
BRUNO: Yes. What`s clear is his judgment is horrible. He`s made mistakes. He`s lied. But what hasn`t happened, at least at this point ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Now, every man does that. OK? I can tell you that.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: I can`t prosecute for that ...
(CROSSTALK)
BRUNO: It doesn`t rise to a criminal act.
GRACE: ... or half the population would be in jail. Go ahead.
BRUNO: Yeah. I mean, bad decisions. I mean, there`s no question about it. He`s lied. He`s made mistakes. But when we talk about criminal charges,
let`s not forget, this is not just child services complaints. This is criminal -- these are criminal charges that we`re talking about. They have
to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. He has constitutional rights. It has to go to a jury. All of those things are applicable here.
[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
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(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Los Angeles Police arresting singer Chris Brown on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon, hours-long spectacle outside
Brown`s suburban Los Angeles residence where police established a heavy presence on the ground and in the air.
CHRIS BROWN, SINGER: I wake up. All these (BLEEP) helicopter, choppers around. The police out there at the gate.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Music superstar Rihanna brutally attacked just before she takes the stage at the Grammy`s. Stunning photos of a bloodied and beaten Rihanna go
public. Her alleged attacker, R&B superstar Chris Brown.
But hold on. Not so fast. It ain`t over yet. After he kicks out a window at ABC`s "GMA" in a little fit, breaking now, police have raced to the home of
the music star after a 911 call at 3:00 a.m. amid claims the star points a loaded weapon at the beauty queen.
It all degenerates into a police standoff with the LAPD after nearly 12 hours of standoff with the police. Can you imagine that? He emerges from
his mansion on his sprawling L.A. Estate, takes off his sweatshirt and plops down on the ground.
OK. You know what, Alan Duke, I`m trying to keep Rihanna out of this, but that is when we -- let`s see a shot of Rihanna. That`s when the whole thing
really comes to light when he attacks Rihanna. Do you remember that?
ALAN DUKE, LEADSTORIES.COM EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: Quite well. And I`ve been in court many times with Chris Brown because of that incident.
GRACE: So, let`s start there. What happened, and bring me up to date?
DUKE: Well, with Rihanna, it was -- they were on a date. It was -- they were going, and they had been to a party on the night before the Grammy`s
and they were in a Lamborghini and they were in Hancock Park, a section of Hollywood. There was an argument inside the Lamborghini and Rihanna gets
hit.
There`s a ring on Chris`s hand that causes some cuts and some bad bruises. Rihanna jumps out, calls the police and all heck breaks loose after that
and for the next six years, Chris Brown is in a lot of legal problems.
GRACE: And then -- there`s Rihanna right there. What idiot would attack her? That`s Rihanna at the "Work" from Roc Nation. Like, hey, nobody`s
going to find out like most abusers. Nobody ever finds out about it. Well, we found out and it all goes down from there.
Then he had his alleged fit at ABC`s "GMA." I guess he didn`t like the question they asked him, and kicks out a window. OK?
Next, now this. Who in their right mind has a standoff with the LAPD? I mean, the LAPD comes to my door and knock, knock, knock. I`m answering the
door. I`m just going to lie down right there. But a 12-hour standoff? What happened? Start at the beginning, Alan Duke.
DUKE: Well, he was at his home in the Tarzana area, suburb of Los Angeles.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Let`s see his home please. I want to see where Chris brown lives. That`s the ...
(CROSSTALK)
DUKE: Yeah. And a really nice ...
GRACE: I want to see the home.
[20:40:00] DUKE: ... really nice big house. And a lot of friends were there including Ray J Norwood who is a celebrity, of course, and people who were
hangers on in his entourage and some of them brought ladies with them.
And one of the ladies claims that as she was walking to a room, and there were some jewelry on display, she made a comment and that triggered
something with Chris.
He picked up a gun and allegedly pointed it at her and said get out of here. Get away from it. And she left. And then she eventually called -
actually, what the ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Whoa! Wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Check out this crib. Who else lives in that neighbourhood, Justin Freiman?
JUSTIN FREIMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Iggy Azalea had lived in that neighbourhood. Other people known to have been there, Demi Lovato, Selena
Gomez, John Lovett.
GRACE: OK, you know what? I don`t get it. Rich people, stars. They`ve got everything. They`ve got the mansion. They have money. They have a fleet of
beautiful expensive cars. Why can`t they be happy? Why do they have to do things like this? You`ve got a love interest of Rihanna, for Pete`s sake.
Now he`s got some beauty queen at his house.
First of all, why is everybody at the house at 3:00 a.m., Alan Duke? What was that about? Doesn`t anybody have to get up to go to work or is that
just me?
DUKE: Not really. I know some of these guys who hang out with him, they wake up. Please (ph) don`t call them until 5:00 in the evening because they
are going to be asleep until then.
But, keep in mind, Chris has a serious problem. We know all about it because we`ve seen the psychological reports released by the court during
his probation.
GRACE: So, 3:00 a.m., she sees -- oh! OK. There`s a movie room in his house. So, he gets mad at her because she`s looking at some jewelry and
then basically kicks her out and then from what I understand, Justin Freiman, they`ve thrown her out. She doesn`t even have on any shoes. And
then they come out trotting after her with her shoes and her cell phone to try to get her to sign a nondisclosure form?
FREIMAN: That`s right. That`s what she claims. And then when she said no, they weren`t going to give her back the phone. She finally snatches the
phone from them and goes running, shoes in hand.
GRACE: Now, she`s claiming what, Justin? That he did what, specifically?
FREIMAN: She claims that he actually pulled a gun on her and then started yelling at her and telling her to get out and get out, and she was finally,
basically escorted out by two people who were there.
GRACE: This woman is -- she`s a beauty queen but she`s also been on the screen, right? I mean, a lot of people are saying, you know, who is she?
What is she, a hooker? No, she`s not a hooker. She`s an actress. She has a lot of credits, if you look her up and look into her. So, she`s over there
partying with Chris Brown, I guess, and all of his entourage. Now, this is from Chris Brown`s Instagram. What is he claiming, Alan Duke?
DUKE: Well, he claims that he was asleep and nothing was going on. And that he just wakes up and sees the helicopters flying over his -- his place.
Yeah, he holds the police off for about ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. So wait, he says he was asleep when the whole thing happened and they are chasing her down to get her to sign a release
that she can`t talk about what happened in there?
DUKE: Yeah. You know, it is very, very fishy.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: What`s he going to get, probation again?
DUKE: Well, you know, it`s going to be really hard. I mean, you can talk to the lawyers about this. It`s going to be hard to convict him on this
charge. But I`m wondering if they found weapons and his gun. He is a convicted felon. In California, you can`t have a gun for your lifetime if
you`re a convicted felon.
GRACE: You know, he did a little bit of jail time, just a little bit, but I guess that wasn`t enough to stop him, according to police and according to
this alleged victim, Baylee Curran. Listen to what he says.
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BROWN: So I`m asleep half the damn night. I just wake up. All these (BLEEP) helicopter, choppers around ...
GRACE: What is he, stoned?
BROWN: The police out there at the gate. Come on my (BLEEP), what the (BLEEP) else do y`all want from me, bro?
I stay out of the way. Take care of my daughter. Do work. I don`t need (BLEEP) trifling (BLEEP) whatever the (BLEEP) it is.
I`m not on that, bro. I`m way too tired in the morning to be dealing with this (BLEEP). You know, every three months you`re like got tired of me,
right? You got to be. Every three months y`all come up with something, bro.
What is it? What`s going to be next? I`m going to fart to an elephant? Come on my (BLEEP). But at the same time, when I call the police, for stalker
people that are endangering my life, they don`t come until the next day. Let somebody make a (Bleep) allegation about me and, oh, yeah, the whole
(BLEEP) SWAT team. (BLEEP) you know, I`m innocent. (BLEEP) everybody. I`m so tired of getting this (BLEEP).
[20:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Live, Grand Junction, a soccer mom raising her three children on her own, moonlights to make ends meet, and there`s nothing wrong with that. But
nobody in her neighborhood ever guesses she had a night job as a hooker. And now, the mom of three found dead. What happened to Paige Birgfeld?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s definitely missing because she would never leave her children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened to the Grand Junction woman living a double life as a mother and escort for hire?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that she has got abducted.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A grim discovery by a woman hiking in Wells Gulch. Human remains identified as Paige Birgfeld.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[20:50:00] GRACE: To Randy Corporon, host at KLZ. Randy, thank you for being with us. So, she leaves a break up for a second husband who is a
financial wiz, turns out not to be so much of a wiz. He leaves her an enormous debt, apparently, with a $6,000 a month house payment. So, she
starts a cooking utensil business. She starts a dance class for toddlers. She`s doing anything she can to make money to hold on to the house and
support her three children. And she has a side business as a Madame, an escort.
And nobody knows it. Years pass. Nobody in her neighborhood, her friends, her children. Nobody knows until she disappears. Now, what can you tell me
about when she disappears, Randy?
RANDY CORPORON, KLZ 560 DENVER HOST: Well, Nancy, she -- on an evening in June, she apparently left a meeting with one of her former husbands and had
a subsequent phone call with him later in the day. Also talked to a husband who was the father of her children, said that she was on her way home and
that was the last that anybody who knew her heard from her.
GRACE: Yeah.
CORPORON: So ...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: As a matter of fact, Randy ...
(CROSSTALK)
CORPORON: ... children showed up at the police department -- go ahead.
GRACE: She and the -- we`re showing you right there where her skeleton remains were found out in a washed out gully.
She was getting back together with first husband. They were reconciling and they met for a picnic that day. So, he heads back after to the Denver area.
She is going back toward the Grand Junction area.
That night, her little child calls her. I think it`s like an 8-year-old little girl, one of her three and they talked -- she talks to the baby on
the phone. She is never heard from again after that night.
To Sarah Platts, director of the canine unit, what did your dogs find, Sara? Thank you for being with us.
SARAH PLATTS, VK9 SCENT SPECIFIC SEARCH & RECOVERY UNIT DIRECTOR: Yes, ma`am. As far as found specifically what?
GRACE: What evidence did your dogs find?
PLATTS: Well, on her vehicle, we had positive indications for her scent, which she should have because it was her vehicle. We also have positive
indication for human remains and also positive scent on a gentleman that we know as to be Lester Jones.
GRACE: As a matter of fact, her red Ford car, her Ford Focus, was found burned out, drenched in gasoline. The car seat was pushed back as if a man
had been driving it, less than one block from a former client`s business.
And the canine dog, apparently, tracked a scent from her burning car to that place of business where they find a gas can.
Not only that, isn`t it true, Randy Corporan, that police start looking at her phone records and find out where this guy, Lester Ralph Jones, 6`4",
275 pounds, is calling her incessantly to get together for an erotic massage before she`s found dead, and he`s using a disposable phone, Randy.
CORPORON: Yeah, that`s right. A TracFone that video evidence indicates that he purchased from Walmart, something that he denied repeatedly during the
initial investigation by police.
[20:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: To Eric Bartelink, forensic anthropologist, professor at California State University. Eric, thank you for being with us. When they finally find
the soccer mom/hooker`s remains is skeletonized, I can`t get a cause of death on that, what can those skeletonized remains tell me about Paige
Birgfeld?
ERIC BARTELINK, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST: So, when a forensic anthropologist is called in to examine skeletal remains, they can provide a profile of the
person`s demographic characteristics.
So, they`re sex, age, ancestry and height. In addition to that, we would look for signs of any kinds of injury such as a gunshot wound, a stab wound
or blunt force trauma. And so if the death involved any kind of physical trauma to the skeleton, those are the kinds of things that we could observe
on the -- on the remains.
GRACE: You know, another thing, unleash the lawyers, Donald Schreickford (ph), David Bruno, Rene Sandler. To you, Rene Sandler, why did this guy
deny he called her from his disposable phone? And he`s got a cell phone. Why not use it? Why go to Walmart and buy disposable?
SANDLER: Look, if he`s engaging with someone in an escort business, maybe he`s engaging in other things, he doesn`t want to be tracked for. I mean,
it`s reasonable. People buy TracFones for all kinds of reasons.
GRACE: I don`t.
SANDLER: Well, people do. Men who are engaging with escorts, perhaps, need one.
GRACE: OK. Well, I hope that works for him at trial because I don`t believe it.
Let`s remember American hero, Army Sergeant Jonathon Haggin, 26, Kingsland, Georgia. Also, Charles Moraine (ph). Widow, Anna; daughter, Leaundra,
another baby who he never got to meet. Jonathon Haggin, American hero.
Prayers tonight for Charlie Becker in the fight of a lifetime. Charlie, we love you. Stay strong, friend.
Special thank you to a talented future broadcasting star, 8-year-old Shayna for an awesome interview! We talked about justice, journalism and Harry
Potter. To see it, go to "The Rose Reporter" on Facebook.
Thanks for being with us everyone. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8 o`clock sharp, Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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