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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Reports a dad, Jeff Osborne, shot dead by his 14-year-old son before the son goes on a shooting rampage,
opening fire on an elementary school playground just three miles away, shooting down two 6-year-old boys and a 1st grade teacher.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The teenager walked onto the school playground with a handgun and shot three people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two students, one shot in the foot, one shot in the leg, and a teacher who was shot in the shoulder.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Minutes later, there was another call that came in from a family about three-and-a-half miles down the road saying that a man there
had been found shot to death.
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GRACE: A beautiful young mother`s estranged husband allegedly tortures her and murders her four children, forcing her to watch. In the last hours,
she has to cancel a press conference, too distraught to speak. Tonight, we learn this man, Gregory Green (ph), the husband, was released from prison
for murdering his first wife.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The loss and grief of Faith Harris Green (ph). Police say her four children murdered by her husband who tied her up and
forced her to witness, shot them both in front of their mother to punish her because she wanted a divorce and he suspected she had been cheating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope he never sees daylight again!
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GRACE: Shocking video emerging tonight of an armed man kidnapping a female convenience store clerk in broad daylight. And as we watch the video, he
drags her from the convenience store into the parking lot and stuffs her into a car.
Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Reports a dad, a father, Jeff Osborne, shot dead by his 14-year-old son before the son goes berserk on a shooting rampage, opening
fire on an elementary school playground just three miles a way, shooting down two little 6-year-old boys and a 1st grade teacher.
But right now, breaking news, a deadly passenger train crashes, Hoboken.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The deadly train crashed as this train plows through the station. This is new video of that train traveling along the tracks
moments before the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard a bomb-like explosion. It was pretty horrifying, the worst (INAUDIBLE) I`ve ever seen.
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GRACE: Straight out to Kyle Peltz. This is horrible! What happened?
KYLE PELTZ, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): That`s right, Nancy. It all happened about 8:45 AM this morning at one of the busiest train
stations in the New York area. Now, a passenger train was headed into Hoboken, New Jersey. It`s a city just across the river from New York. For
many people, this is likely just a routine commute to work during rush hour. But unfortunately, this morning, that train never slowed down. It
crashed into the station at a high very rate of speed.
GRACE: Oh, man!
PELTZ: And right now, at least one dead.
GRACE: Crashing into the station. I`m surprised there`s only one fatality. Two things. What do we know about the person who died? And
what do we know about the engineer?
PELTZ: Well, we know the person who died is an unidentified female victim. She was apparently standing on the platform and was struck by debris. And
as far as the engineer, what we know is that he was reportedly unresponsive when he was removed from the train this morning. But right now,
authorities say he is cooperating.
GRACE: Wait a minute, unresponsive because of what, injuries or some other reason?
PELTZ: We don`t know. We don`t know, Nancy. There`s a lot of questions here. Exactly what happened is what a lot of people are wondering right
now. But unfortunately, it could be quite some time before we have those answers.
GRACE: Crashed into the station? OK, Kyle Peltz, stay with us.
Right now, we`re turning back to the young boy who opens fire on an elementary school playground, gunning down two little 6-year-old boys, a
1st grade teacher, and then suddenly, there`s another 911 calling saying another man had been shot dead.
Straight out to CNN correspondent Victor Blackwell. Victor, thank you for being with us. Let`s start at the beginning with the timeline as we know
it. What happened, Victor?
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was recess, play time at Townville elementary -- that`s in upstate South Carolina- when this 14-year-old boy,
according to police, drove up in a pickup truck and started shooting immediately, according to the sheriff, shooting a teacher in the shoulder,
one boy in the foot and another boy in the leg. And this ended pretty quickly. We`re told that a volunteer firefighter tackled that teenager.
GRACE: Well, hold on. I want to show -- I want to show the viewers who we`re talking about. Look at this little boy, Jacob Hall, the teacher, 1st
grade teacher, Meghan, and then right now, an unidentified little boy.
[20:05:08]To Vince Coakley, WORD. When did the call come in about the adult male victim?
VINCE COAKLEY, WORD (via telephone): Well, the calls separating -- were only separated by a minute or two. One of the calls, of course, came from
-- actually came -- the boy sent (ph) it out to his grandparents. He was distraught. He was at a point where he was kind of incoherent, crying.
They couldn`t understand what was going on, so they rush over to the house to find that the boy`s father was dead.
GRACE: Oh, my stars!
COAKLEY: And then a minute or two later, this 911 call comes in at the school, and that`s when we find that the shooting has occurred.
GRACE: OK, listen to what police are telling us.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the officers got there, they encountered the fireman that had actually contained the suspect. What we understand is, is
this individual went in, he pulled into the parking lot in his vehicle, and probably got out of the vehicle firing immediately. The shots actually
wounded three individuals, two students, one shot in the foot, one shot in the leg, and a teacher who was shot in the shoulder.
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GRACE: And to Joe Scott Morgan, certified death investigator, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University. You know, when you`re shot in
your femoral artery in your leg, you can bleed out almost immediately. Explain why that is so dangerous.
JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: Yes, it really is, Nancy. And one of the realities is, is that when these bullets strike
solid bone like in the femoral -- in the area of the femoral artery, we have the femur, this large bone, the bone will literally shatter, almost
becoming shrapnel-like. Many times, you`ll get little pinpick hemorrhages in the vessel itself, and you can bleed out very quickly. They`re very
fortunate that EMT was there spot on to stop the bleeding.
GRACE: Oh, man, you are so right, Joe Scott. Right now, we know that two little 6-year-old boys shot and a 1st grade teacher. And then within
almost 60 seconds, one to two minutes, another call that an adult male has been found shot dead.
Back to CNN correspondent Victor Blackwell. So that call comes in about a minute after the shooting on the elementary school playground, and at
first, nobody realizes the two are actually connected. Who found the father`s body, in his home, I believe, correct?
BLACKWELL: Correct. It was the grandmother to which that boy, the alleged shooter -- that he made that call. Now, the house where she lives and the
house where the boy`s father, her son -- where the boy and the father lived together is just about a few hundred feet away.
So the grandmother hopped into her car, drove down a dirt road to that home and found him shot dead inside the home. When that call came in, police
then put the two together and they said that they were connected.
GRACE: Put Victor up, please. Victor, I mean, I now know -- and I`m only nine years into it -- my children are turning 9 in November. But you never
get less protective of your child, ever. Never. In fact, you get more and more and more. And I`m just trying to imagine her getting in the car for
whatever reason, getting over to the home, and finding her son dead, shot dead, and then realizing it`s -- her grandson is the shooter. I just can`t
imagine the heartbreak.
BLACKWELL: Well, imagine the phone call actually came from the grandson.
GRACE: Oh!
BLACKWELL: So when she drove down the road, she thought she was going to respond to this grandson, to this 14-year-old boy who was in some type of
distress. And when she walks in, to her surprise, there is her son there, shot to death in the middle of the den floor.
GRACE: Victor Blackwell joining me, CNN correspondent, on this tragedy. We don`t have all the answers right now. I got to tell you, Victor
Blackwell, CNN correspondent, as soon as I heard about this, all I could do was think about my own children.
And you leave your children at school, you think everything is fine, and there they are on the playground -- on the playground! -- when someone
unleashes with a hail of bullets. You know what? Even though there are two 6-year-old boys that were shot and a 1st grade teacher, I`m really
amazed and I think it is a miracle, a miracle, that there were just three people shot.
Now, what else do we know about this 14-year-old, Victor?
BLACKWELL: Well, we know that the boy was not enrolled in the school district. He was home schooled. We`re still trying to get confirmation
about why he was not enrolled in the school district. But this was a young boy that`s only been described thus far as a white male, driving this truck
-- clearly too young to drive, obviously.
GRACE: Hey, that`s the least of my worries, Blackwell, that he`s driving a truck.
BLACKWELL: Well, I understand that.
GRACE: I`m more worried about shooting the gun.
BLACKWELL: The question is where does the gun come from? How does he -- and this is a three-and-a-half-mile drive and he`s driving up this rural
road. How does he have access to this gun, to this car, and then getting to the school? Why did he go to the school? Police still don`t know an
answer to that question yet.
[20:10:15]GRACE: I wonder, did he -- because this is an elementary school, and he`s 14. And I`ve been digging, Victor, and I don`t see any -- I`ve
not learned of any calls so far, DFACs, Department of Family and Children`s Services, CPS, Child Protective Services -- nothing like that that we know
of. No problems within the home.
Dave Priest, morning show host, WRNN, what can you tell me about this boy having brought a gun to school about two years ago?
Oh, hold on. Let me go to Stacey. You know about this. Stacey, what can you tell me about that?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, yes, we`re hearing just from CBS -- we have not confirmed this, but he was actually suspended from
school for bringing a weapon within the last two years. That is why, according to CBS, he was being home schooled.
GRACE: OK. All right. Victor Blackwell, something new to add to our facts. This kid, 14 years old, he`s on the verge of being treated as an
adult because, you know, the Supreme Court, 16 is when you start really being look at as an adult. Right now, he may be transferred and treated as
an adult, but that`s going to take a couple of loops, a couple of hurdles for prosecutors to do.
But long story short, two years ago -- this would be when he`s 12 -- he brings the gun to school. So that`s why he`s being home schooled right
there.
BLACKWELL: well, you know, one of the questions that I had initially in this case was, why did he go to this school and start shooting? A question
we asked when you think -- you hear school shooting, you immediately think about Sandy Hook. No connection then between Adam Lanza and the shooting
there. Police have not yet said if they found a connection to his shooting at this school.
But we made the drive from the home that he shared with his father all the way to the school. And it turns out that this is just the first public
building on that country road. So did he just see a group of people and then pull over and start shooting? It`s quite possible because there is
really no public building between the home and the school. It`s about three-and-a-half miles, roughly.
GRACE: Well, if he had taken a gun to school when he`s 12, it may have been this school he took a gun to. This would be the second time he`s
shown up at a school with a gun. What we know right now -- his father is dead. A 1st grade teacher and two little 6-year-old boys have been shot on
an elementary school playground.
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[20:16:50]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say that this teenager drove here to Townville elementary and got out of the pickup truck and immediately
started shooting, shooting the teacher and two young boys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When officers got there, they encountered the fireman that had actually contained the suspect.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: This is what we know. A father, a seemingly loving father, has been shot dead, we believe by his 14-year-old son, who then goes to a
nearby elementary school and opens fire on the playground, taking down two little 6-year-old boys and a 1st grade school teacher.
Victor Blackwell, CNN correspondent -- so Victor, did he shoot the father and then go to the elementary school or vice versa? And also, is this the
elementary school that he attended?
BLACKWELL: OK. So let`s talk about the first question first.
GRACE: OK.
BLACKWELL: The call that came in, that the boy was on campus, came at 1:45, according to police. The call from -- to the grandmother from this
boy after -- you know, she heard him crying was at 1:44. So in order for him to be on campus just a minute after that call, the shooting of the
father would have to have happened first, then the shooting at the school. So just from the information from police.
Now, we have not been given this student`s name or anything about his history about his attending this school. So still looking for the
connection to Townville elementary.
GRACE: Well, this is what we do know, Victor. I mean, it`s public school. He went to a public school. And it`s just three miles from his home. So
it makes sense, ergo, that if he were in school at age 10 to 12 that that would likely be the school he went to, if it goes that far. I mean, if
it`s an elementary school, how far does it go? I mean, what do they consider middle school there, 5th, 6th, 7th? You know, when would he have
been transferred out? But my guess would be, at some point, he did attend that school because it`s so close to his home, Victor.
BLACKWELL: If he lived in that community at that age.
GRACE: Right. Yes. Yes. OK, joining me is Vince Coakley, WORD. Vince, you have information on why he left the school to start with and was being
home schooled, right?
COAKLEY: Yes, I do. In fact, WSPA (ph), another station here in the upstate, a television station here, is reporting they got information about
this incident involving a weapon. They say that this was actually a hatchet that he took to school, that he was attending West Oak middle
school. This is a different school. This is the one he had actually been suspended from. That was the reason. This happened last year. They`re
saying this is the reason that he was being home schooled.
And still, at this point, we do not know, and authorities continue to say this -- we don`t know what the connection is to Townville at all. We`re
not sure whether he attended that school, whether he knows anyone there, whether he has any connection whatsoever to any of those victims.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, David Bruno, New York, Kirby Clements, Atlanta. First to you, Clements. A hatchet at school?
[20:20:04]KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, we don`t even know the circumstances. He probably brought that to school for show and tell or
some...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa!
CLEMENTS: ... something of that (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: Is there a circumstance that a hatchet`s OK at school?
CLEMENTS: I just said it, show and tell. Maybe you bring it to show and tell, maybe you...
GRACE: Have you heard zero tolerance?
CLEMENTS: Well, have you heard that also (ph) also (ph) crazy (ph)? We don`t know what the school`s policies were. And maybe as a kid, he brought
it there thinking it was acceptable, and then they say, Hey, we have zero tolerance and you`re out of school. That`s entirely plausible.
GRACE: OK, Kirby.
CLEMENTS: Like kids who bring knives to school...
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GRACE: ... in Kirby land? In Kirby-land.
CLEMENTS: No, in the world, in the real world where we live, where the laws should make sense. But you`ve heard about kids getting kicked out of
school for bringing a knife to cut a birthday cake.
GRACE: No. Actually, no. David Bruno, defense attorney out of New York - - now we know why he was put out of school, and we also know -- seems to be that he was being home schooled because of that reason, not because of any
insanity or mental deficiency or mental incompetency, but because he brought a weapon -- we can`t confirm that incident. We`re trying. We
don`t know if it was a gun or a hatchet. Coakley says, reported by WSPA, that it was a hatchet. Either way, it`s bad.
I`d like to find out, was the father the one home schooling him? Was he resentful over that? Is this anger, or as you two will probably argue, he
snapped?
DAVID BRUNO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you raise some good points, but I think you hit it on the head in your last segment, and that is the issue of
waiver. This is a juvenile, and right now, the juvenile court has jurisdiction over prosecution. So a prosecutor will have to make a motion
to move this individual up into the adult court.
That is the first step for defense attorneys. They need to humanize this individual. They need to dip into his psych records. They need to present
all of these things that are relevant to the waiver.
GRACE: OK, Victor Blackwell, CNN correspondent, is there any discussion right now that this 14-year-old boy has had mental or emotional
instabilities?
BLACKWELL: No, no discussion of that. I mean, the sheriff said in his last discussion with the media that they were starting the legal process of
having conversations with the boy and trying to interview him. Now, when he say "trying," he didn`t say whether or not they were successful, if
there were some blocks, if he even has a lawyer at this point. But they said that they`re trying to now -- trying to get some answers from him. No
discussion of any mental difficulties or disabilities.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[20:26:41]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Townville elementary school is the scene of a shooting. This is video on our way to the school as we drove behind
frantic parents stuck in traffic, who put on their emergency flashers as they tried to reach the school. But investigators turned them around.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s all backed up with people wanting to know if their child`s safe, trying to get to their child.
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GRACE: I can`t even imagine pulling my car over to the side of the road and getting out and walking to my children`s elementary school, wondering
are they the ones that have been shot? Are they alive? What`s happened?
And that`s what you`re seeing right there, as families are pulling over, getting out of the car and walking because the traffic is so backed up
leading to the school, trying to find out what happened. Is my child a survivor? Is my child on the way to the hospital?
To Vince Coakley, WORD. Vince, what more can you tell me about what happened?
COAKLEY: Well, I can tell you this -- and you really struck a chord in what you just said. I mean, as the father of four, I`m just thinking that
-- when it registers with you, the ages of these children, 6 years old, really, really young children, when you talk about these horrendous
injuries. And you heard reference to that earlier in just the severity of the (INAUDIBLE) in fact, we heard about this from Representative Allen
Clemens (ph). He said this actually hit him and tore through that femoral artery. And this is the main artery in the thigh. This was really
significant.
He also added this boy had to be revived twice, once while he was being flown to the Greenville Hospital, also during surgery after the shooting.
So he required immediate chest surgery to stem the flow of blood, and he`s going to need more surgery once he`s further stabilized.
So this just stands out to me that -- and so many people are praying for this young boy, that he recovers completely and quickly.
GRACE: You know what? Hold, Vince Coakley, WORD. Let`s just do that right now, if you would join with me, and send up a prayer for this little
boy, who is still struggling. He had to be revived, brought back to life twice.
He`s already had surgery on his chest because of the shooting. He`s going to have to have another surgery to survive -- going out on the playground
at school. We can only pray that angels come now and help this little boy, Jacob Hall, and the other little 6-year-old and the teacher.
And you know, when I think about it, I was thinking I hope the twins aren`t watching right now. I hope they`re not seeing the banner under Mommy`s
face that says children were shot on the elementary school playground because I don`t want them to be afraid! So what is the answer? What is
the answer tonight?
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(START VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Faith Harris-Green. Police say her four children murdered by her husband.
[20:35:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Faith Green is alive only because her husband, Gregory, deliberately kept her alive to suffer. He forced her to
watch as he shot her two oldest children, Chadney age 19 and Kara age 17, right in front of her.
GREGORY GREEN, CHARGED WITH MURDERING HIS CHILDREN AND TORTURING HIS WIFE: I feel like everything was taken away.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: A beautiful young mother`s estranged husband allegedly tortures her and murders her four children before her eyes. She has just had to cancel a
press conference in the last hour, as we go to air tonight, because she`s too distraught to even speak.
Well, tonight, we learned this man, Gregory Green, the husband, was released from prison for murdering his first wife! Why was he released?
According to her friends and family, mommy had no idea of his criminal background, that he had already killed his first wife. Straight out to
Chris Renwick, WJR. Chris, thank you for being with us. What exactly happened?
CHRIS RENWICK, REPORTER, WJR RADIO: Well, it all happened when Gregory Green called police at around 1:30 in the morning. Police came to the home
and that`s when they found just the horror scene that was inside that house.
GRACE: Matt Zarrell, what more do we know about what happened?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Okay, so when police came to the home, they found Green`s 39-year-old wife, Faith Harris-Green, in the basement of
the home. She was bound with duct tape and zip ties. Green allegedly bound his wife, cut her face and throat area with a box cutter and shot her in
the foot, and then shot the two older children in front of her.
GRACE: Look at these children. Now, there`s the mother. She`s just beautiful. Her name is Faith Harris-Green. She`s the children`s mother. I
want to see the children. They`re all dead. Chadney, her first born son. Kara, Koi, and Kaleigh. Look at Koi and Kaleigh.
Now, these are his biological children. His own daughters. Look at this family. They`re all gone. There you see them standing with mommy. It`s -- I
can`t even imagine. Not only all of her children gone, but she was forced, duct taped and zip tied in the basement, to watch her two oldest children,
her first born boy and girl, murdered. Matt Zarrell, how were the little girls? They look to be twins. How were they found?
ZARRELL: Okay, so police discovered both the 4 and 5-year-old girls in their bedrooms. They were reportedly tucked into their beds. Now,
authorities believe that Green poisoned the two younger children with carbon monoxide inside a vehicle before he transferred the bodies that were
already dead back into their bedrooms and tucked them in.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. David Bruno, New York; Kirby Clements, Atlanta; and special guest joining us, a very renowned defense attorney in his area,
Charles Longstreet, who is the defense attorney for Gregory Green. Mr. Longstreet, thank you for being with us.
CHARLES LONGSTREET, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR GREGORY GREEN: Thank you.
GRACE: Mr. Longstreet, there`s really no way that your guy can argue insanity, because he already did that the first time he killed his wife,
the first wife that I know of. He started off with insanity then, but then backed off that when he got a plea deal.
LONGSTREET: I can`t speak to what happened in the first case back in 1991. I can only tell you based on my conversations with my client, which are
confidential, and what I`ve read in the reports, I believe that there is a defense I have to explore.
GRACE: Uh-huh. Well, you know what, sir? I hear you and I understand what you`re saying. But I mean, I don`t know what jury under the sun is going to
find out -- and they will find out about the first murder, because that`s a thing of a similar transaction. He kills the first wife and then he sits
there, starts crying, and calls 911. The police get there and he goes, there`s a dead body.
Same thing this time, except this time, there`s four dead bodies. So the jury is going to find out at some point, he claimed insanity, then backed
off of it and entered a plea. They`re going to find out the whole kit and caboodle. Now, maybe one time, Kirby Clements, you can convince a jury of
insanity, but when the guy gets out and then does it again, no jury is going to buy that.
[20:40:00] KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, Nancy, I think that a jury just might. No jury had by the first time. The first time they gave
him a plea. Something was wrong with the state`s case. They didn`t go forward. But if you look at this man`s expression, he`s got a blank
expression on his face.
GRACE: Wait, wait. Are you telling me when you were a prosecutor -- now, remember, I was there. I watched you. I know the answer to this question.
So don`t try to lie, okay?
CLEMENTS: Okay, Nancy.
GRACE: Are you telling me the only time you ever pled a case is when you had a problem with the state`s case? How about you got a good deal, you`re
going the get 20 years behind bars, and you took the deal, to maybe keep the victim from having to testify. You never did that, Kirby?
CLEMENTS: You know, in a sex crimes case, yes. But I`ve only pled one murder case down -- one murder case down because it was a problem with the
case. Yes, in another case. In a murder case, I was -- I will say this, I was a hard core prosecutor. I pled one murder case out. The rest of them,
you go to trial and will see what happens. That was how I was then.
GRACE: Kirby, you`ve already given me all I needed to hear.
CLEMENTS: I heard that. I know, Nancy.
GRACE: You pled cases out when there was nothing wrong with the state`s case because you got a good deal, you`re putting the guy away for a lot of
hard time, and you didn`t want to put the victims through the trial.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Okay, you know, you can cut his mike now.
CLEMENTS: Oh, okay.
GRACE: I`m done with him. Mike drop. Okay, let me go back to Charles Longstreet. Longstreet, again, thank you for being with us. Question,
you`re telling me you are going to pursue an insanity defense?
LONGSTREET: I have to investigate and explore, yes.
GRACE: Okay. All right. Back to Chris Renwick, WJR, joining us. Chris, now, isn`t it true that he called police and told them what had happened? Is
that true, Chris?
RENWICK: Yeah, he called police, again, just shortly after all of this went down inside that Dearborn Heights house, and police responded accordingly.
GRACE: And isn`t it true, Matt Zarrell, that when he called police, he knew to call 911, he knew to give the correct address, he was coherent and gave
the facts of what had happened, then he sat down and when the police got there, he pointed them to the bodies.
ZARRELL: Yeah, in fact, he was waiting on the front porch for the police officers when they arrived on scene.
GRACE: Everybody, we`re coming back with this but miracle, and I want you to know about it. An 11-year-old schoolgirl who vanishes as she gets off
the afternoon school bus, found alive. Just moments after featuring the search for her on our show, she is found safe in a very heavily wooded area
behind her home. She is alive. Miracles do still happen.
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(START VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The loss and grief of Faith Harris-Green. Police say her four children murdered by her husband, who tied her up and forced her to
witness, shot them both in front of their mother to punish her because she wanted a divorce, and he suspected she had been cheating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope he never sees daylight again.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To Dr. Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us out of Chicago. Dr. Sanders, it`s going to be really hard, and you know, no offense to Mr.
Longstreet because he`s got a great reputation as a lawyer, but he`s between a rock and a hard spot, because his client just got the divorce
papers from this woman before this happened a couple of days.
Then he had to come up with a plan to torture her and hurt her in the worst way possible. And the worst thing, the worst thing you can do to a loving
mother, is to hurt their child. The worst. And that`s what he did.
TIFFANY SANDERS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Right, Nancy. It`s a disgusting, gruesome murder. And this isn`t a man who is insane and lost, you know, his
cognitive faculties. What happened is he was a psychopath, someone who tortures and tries to degrade and cause unthinkable harm. And that type of
man should not have been let out from prison in the first place, because you never kill just your -- your pregnant wife and unborn child.
And I wish that this woman would have been aware of these circumstances ahead of time to avoid a man like this. This is not a typical guy that you
want to love or bring around your children. I`m very sorry for her.
GRACE: You said something important I haven`t even brought up. She was pregnant with his baby.
SANDERS: Yes.
GRACE: And you know what, Joseph Scott Morgan? You know what? I want the state to get, if they haven`t already done it, I want them to do a physical
on the mother that lived, because in my opening statement, I would show the pictures to the jury where she fought against those zip ties and that tape.
That duct tape where she strained to get away and save her children, and he made her watch her children die! That would be state`s exhibit number one,
where that mother tried with all her might to save her children. Is that possible?
JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN, CERTIFIED DEATH INVESTIGATOR: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And you used the word "torture." His cognitive disability, he had -- he had
possession of this. The idea here is that he bound her, he gagged her, and let`s talk about the box cutter. He inflicted these wounds on her. Box
cutters don`t give deep injuries. These are superficial injuries. Let`s remember the blade on a box cutter is only about this long.
In addition to that, he shot her in the foot, he`s got her restrained. If he was going to kill her, why didn`t he shoot her right in the chest or the
head? He was torturing this woman. And then -- and then to finish this off, he executes her children in front of her.
They are in an asymmetrical position. They kneel before him. He shoots them in her presence. This is an evil, evil man and he had full possession of
his faculties while he was doing this. This was planned.
[20:50:00] GRACE: Everyone, I`ve got to tell you about this. 25 million seniors live in poverty. Think about your mother and father. A segment of
this population is especially fragile, falling outside any financial safety net into homelessness. This week`s CNN hero shines a light on this group.
Meet Isha Dazel (ph).
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you`re older, living on the street, it`s a very scary place. You`re much more vulnerable. The people who are in between the
ages of 50 and 62, society views them as too old for working and too young for social security. They need help. It`s like you don`t exist. What`s
wrong?
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GRACE: Shocking video emerging tonight of an armed man kidnapping a female convenience store clerk in broad daylight, and as we watch, he drags her
from the store into the parking lot, stuffing her into his car.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Killing moments of a kidnapping captured on camera. The victim was working as a clerk at a convenience store when a man with a
hammer enters the store then drags her out to his awaiting car. Watch as the man forces the woman into the passenger side of his red Honda Civic. At
one point, the woman tries to open the back door, but before she can escape, the suspect subdues her and drives away.
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GRACE: Okay, wait a minute, let`s play this. Play the thing in full. Okay, there you go. He`s drag -- you know, she screming. What`s the mailman
doing? He just slaps down the mail and leaves. He`s forcing her in the car. You know he had to be screening her head off. She`s trying to get out,
right there. She`s trying to get out. Now -- I can`t get past this mailman, number one. Okay, straight out to Tom Perumean, an editor with
theadvocacyreport.com. Tom, tell me what happened.
TOM PERUMEAN, EDITOR, THEADVOCACYREPORT.COM: This man entered the store and he, in fact, grabbed this woman. He was armed with a hammer, and as you can
see by that video, he forcibly dragged her out to his vehicle which was just outside this store, shoved her into this vehicle, got her in there,
went around, and as she was trying to get out the back door, he got in the vehicle, subdued her and drove off.
They say he hit her with that hammer to subdue her. It`s shocking that it took place on a city street in the middle of the day just before 3:00 in
the afternoon.
GRACE: With people walking by and doing nothing. He turns around and we think hit her in the head or the face with the hammer. Joining me right now
in addition to Tom Perumean is detective Jerald Harden with the LAPD. Detective, thank you for being with us. Detective, what about the mailman?
I mean, there`s a witness. I mean, he just walks on by and slaps down the mail and keeps on going. What`s that about?
GERALD HARDEN, LAPD, SOUTHWEST DIVISION: Well, you know, we haven`t identified the mailman or speak with him yet. But we`re not sure what he
was thinking. Maybe they were playing. Maybe he didn`t care. But just looking at the video, yeah, it looks like he didn`t take action whatsoever.
GRACE: Yeah, none at all. And as a matter of fact, detective Gerald Harden, the perp, then takes the victim to a graveyard, a cemetery. What is the
motive, detective, do we know?
HARDEN: Well, this case is only a day old. It`s still an ongoing investigation. We`re gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses. But we
can`t get into his intent, inside this man`s head, but he was making threats of violence. They were at a cemetery. I don`t know if it`s, you
know, psychologically.
GRACE: Hold on just a second, detective. Michael Christian, I think I`ve got a pretty good idea what the motive is. Tell me.
MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, at first, police thought that there maybe was no connection between these two. But as it
turns out, it`s now believed that he had actually been stalking her for several weeks. Apparently, he had been trying to find out where she lived.
Definitely stalking.
GRACE: So Tom Perumean, advocacyreport.com, he`s been talking her for weeks, nothing is done, until he kidnaps her, beats her with a hammer, and
takes her to a graveyard. Please tell me he`s in jail.
PERUMEAN: Oh, yes, he is in custody. He was taken into custody last night. They found his car in north Hollywood, and there was a short pursuit. He
crossed over the city line in the Burbank where he was taken down. He was tased, so he was resisting when he was taken down, but he is in jail.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s remember American hero, army staff sergeant Jeremy Brown, just 26, Mascot, West Virginia. Second tour, bronze star, just
bought a new home. Parents Theresa and John, brothers Gregory and twin Jason, widow Rosemary, son Seth. Jeremy Brown, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but always to you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. Until then,
good night, friend.
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