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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN NEWS STREAM SHOW HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream."

Stories of survival from the Rohingya who managed to escape Myanmar, risking a dangerous cross by sea to escape horrors they face at home.

President Trump departs Asia after his long trip, but how effective was his first visit to the region? And he heads for Washington with his eldest son

embroiled in a controversy over his communication with WikiLeaks during the presidential election.

This week, we are focusing on the desperate flight of the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Hundreds of thousands have fled Rakhine State since August,

many of them with horrifying accounts of murder, rape, and arson committed against them.

But Myanmar's military is denying those allegations. In an internal report, it clears itself of wrongdoing against the ethnic minority. Instead, it

blames the violence on Rohingya militants, saying that they attacked police and army posts in August.

Amnesty International blasted that report, saying that there is overwhelming evidence the military committed atrocities against the

Rohingya. And we have been hearing from those who managed to escape Myanmar.

Clarissa Ward has this exclusive report.

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CLARISSA WARD, CNN FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At first light, you can see them dotted along the coastal road, homeless, stateless, huddled in

the cool dawn. They are knows as the most persecuted minority in the world. The distance they have come is not far, but the journey is long. For many,

it begins on this river, that's Myanmar on the other side. Every day, hundreds of Rohingya Muslims try to cross it to safety.

(on camera): So we can see now coming towards the shore one, two, three, four, five, six different rafts, all of them have at least 20 to 30 people

on them.

(voice-over): Crudely made of plastic and bamboo and laden with whatever belongings could be salvaged. They're not welcome on this shore, the

coastguard waves them further off. So we wait out to talk to them.

(on camera): (UNSTRANSLATED). How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNTRANSLATED).

WARD (on camera): How many hours have you been on the boat?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNTRANSLATED).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNSTRANSLATED).

WARD (voice-over): Since early in the morning? Do you know how to swim?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNSTRANSLATED).

WARD (voice-over): No one does, yet the raft is full of children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNSTRANSLATED).

WARD (voice-over): Of course we are worried. Look, she has two babies, this woman tells us. The kids were practically slipping off the raft. The U.S.

says that scores of Rohingya have died making this crossing, but that hasn't stopped them from trying.

We can't follow them any further, so they drift on down the river on shore of what awaits them. Their best hope is that they end up in one of these

camps that aid workers have called a massive slum in the jungle.

Bangladesh is struggling to cope. Another 200,000 refugees are expected in the coming weeks. For the Rohingya, life here is a constant battle. Dignity

is hard to come by. These are refugees with no refuge. As dusk approaches, we hopped (ph) upon a group who made it to shore. Tell us they crossed at

2:00 a.m. to use the cover of night.

Where will you go from here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNTRANSLATED).

WARD (voice-over): We will go wherever they will take us, she says, but whatever happens, we won't go back.

Dependent on the mercy of the world that has so far shown them none.

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LU STOUT: Refugees with no refuge. That was Clarissa Ward's exclusive report on the perilous journey for Rohingya refugees, and she joins us now

live from Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh. And Clarissa, there is overwhelming evidence of mass atrocities being committed against Rohingyas by the

military in Myanmar. And yet, the military is exonerating itself. How?

WARD: That's right, Kristie.

[08:05:00] And if you look at this report, it really does make for some astonishing reading essentially the military in Myanmar absolving itself of

any crimes particularly crimes against humanity saying (INAUDIBLE) allegations of mass rape of Rohingya women, denying burning down villages,

even though as you alluded to, there are many, many cases that are quite well documented of these atrocities having taken place.

The way they're trying to spin it is that the Rohingya Muslims have been sort of co-opted or hijacked by an insurgent militant Islamist group. They

are saying 10,000 of these militants among this group, and that they have carried out dozens of attacks on the Myanmar military.

But no concession anywhere in this report that possibly or potentially some of the Myanmar military got out of line when it came to dealing with the

threat of this group, and we should say that this number of 10,000 is twice as many as was previously estimated and simply doesn't gel with what we've

heard and seen from people who spent time on the ground in Rakhine State, Kristie.

LU STOUT: So the Myanmar military is clearing itself of all wrongdoing. Up next, we know Rex Tillerson, America's chief diplomat, will arrive in

Myanmar on Wednesday. He will be talking to officials there. How is he expected to address the crisis?

WARD: Well, by all accounts, he is expected to issue a stern warning to these generals, but it remains to be seen whether or not that warning will

fall on deaf ears. We have heard the U.S. come out before and condemned some of these abuses and urged the Myanmar leaders to look into allegations

of ethnic cleansing.

But, of course, it is probably going to take more than words to have any meaningful effect here. You will probably need to see some kind of

international action, a coordinated action. A lot of people talking about the possibility of sanctions, still too early to guess whether or not that

might happen. But certainly some people are crying for more action, Kristie.

LU STOUT: And Clarissa, now that well over half a million Rohingya refugees have made the perilous journey as you reported from Myanmar to cross into

Bangladesh, is there enough aid on the ground there on Cox's Bazar?

WARD: There's never aid. There is always it seems just enough to avert mass starvation, but the world food program here told us one in four children is

suffering from malnutrition. And that's just when we are talking about food.

When we talk about other things, access to running water, when we talk about education which is of course so important with another 200,000

Rohingya refugees expected to arrive in the next couple weeks, there is a very real concern, Kristie.

Not just about the humanitarian situation, but also about the potential for these vulnerable people to be exploited by extremists. Wherever you have a

lot of poverty, a lot of anger, a lot of acrimony and very little education, you have the potential for that risk, Kristie.

LU STOUT: On top of everything, you have a risk of human trafficking as well. Clarissa Ward reporting live for us from Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh,

thank you for your reporting.

The crisis in Myanmar has caught the attention of the leader of Canada. The prime minister, Justin Trudeau, says that he has appointed special envoy to

the region. The official is responsible for diplomacy and finding ways to support Rohingya Muslims. Mr. Trudeau says that he has also discussed the

issue with Myanmar's de facto leader, Aung San Suu Kyi.

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JUSTIN TRUDEAU, PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA: I had extended conversation with state counselor of Myanmar, Aung San Suu Kyi, about the plight of the

Muslim refugees in Rakhine State. This is a tremendous concern to Canada and many, many other countries around the world.

And again, we are always looking at not how we can sort of shake our finger and yell at people, but how we can help, how we can move forward in a way

that reduces violence that emphasizes the rule of law and that ensures protection for all citizens.

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LU STOUT: And if you want to help the Rohingya refugees, we have links on our website to organizations working on the ground. You can also learn more

about what these men, women, and children are going through. You can find it at CNN.com/Impact.

Now, Iran's president says his teams will do their best to help survivors of a major magnitude earthquake on the border between Iraq and Iran. The

7.3 magnitude quake is the deadliest this year, killing some 452 people.

[08:10:00] Iranian Media reported at least 100 of them come from the same town in Northwest Iran. People are without basic supplies. They're sleeping

out in the open, now two days since it struck. A number of people have lost their lives in Iraq as well where there's concern that a dam has suffered

structural damage from the tremor.

Jomana Karadsheh joins us now from (INAUDIBLE) Jordan. Jomana, officials understand they have been in the quake zone for some time now and that they

are still assessing the damage? What's the latest?

JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, what we understand from the Iranian Red Crescent is the search and rescue operations that we saw

taking place throughout the day on Monday are coming to an end. What that means is that they don't believe that there are survivors still trapped

underneath the rubble and debris and they don't need to go through that to try and extract those survivors.

What begins right now, what is ongoing and is expected to go on for months, according to the Iranian Red Crescent, is the relief effort to try and

deliver aid and provide shelter to those impacted by the earthquake.

Kristie, you're looking at the figures of more than 500 villages that have been damaged, some of them completely destroyed, according to Iranian media

reports, so thousands and thousands of people impacted. The estimate we are hearing from the Iranian Red Crescent is that probably around 70,000 people

have been impacted by this powerful earthquake.

But that number could change. It could go up as more people sign up and register for help. What is making the effort really complex right now to

try and provide them with relief is the geography of the area. We are talking about remote villages and these villages scattered across

Kermanshah province, Kristie.

LU STOUT: We know that tens of thousands of survivors have survived this major earthquake, but they were forced to spend yet another night out in

the open outdoors, and winter is there, it's getting colder, so shelter and providing shelter must be a priority for aide workers?

KARADSHEH: Well, what we are hearing from officials from aide agencies is of course right now the priority is delivering food and temporary shelter.

We have seen these videos coming out on social medial from these areas that have been impacted, Kristie, with the desperate pleas, people asking for

any help, asking for bread, for food, for blankets, for tents.

As you mentioned, you've got that bitterly cold winter setting in right now. And what we saw is President Hassan Rouhani arriving in Kermanshah

province earlier today, and he addressed this issue saying that they are making every effort and they will continue to make every effort to solve

the issue of shelter to provide temporary shelters for people right now and to help with the reconstruction effort.

But of course in cases like this, people are really frustrated and complaining that this is not happening fast enough, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Yes, there is a sense of grim frustration in some areas on the ground especially in Iran, so does Iran need international help in the

aftermath of this major earthquake?

KARADSHEH: Well, we heard from the foreign minister of Iran, Javad Zarif, who tweeted yesterday thanking different countries that have offered

support and offered help to Iran, saying thanks but no thanks, essentially saying that the country has its own resources and that is able to deal with

it.

It's really difficult, Kristie, to assess how this, how Iran is dealing with the aftermath of the earthquake with little access to the disaster

area for international media. What we are getting is what we are receiving through Iranian state media pretty much right now.

LU STOUT: Now with well over 400 fatalities, tens of thousands of homeless, the strongest magnitude earthquake so far this year. We thank you for your

continued reporting on the earthquake, what happened in the quake zone. Jomana Karadsheh there.

U.S. President Donald Trump is now on his way back to Washington, and he is calling his visit to Asia tremendously successful, but not everyone is so

sure. We'll catch you up on what happened and what didn't just ahead. Plus, new revelations about President Trump's eldest son and his contacts with

WikiLeaks during the election campaign. We'll break it down for you, coming up.

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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong. Welcome back. This is "News Stream." U.S. President Donald Trump says he has a major statement to make

as he returns home from his five-nation tour of Asia. He left the Philippines a few hours ago, on his way back to Washington. Mr. Trump spent

the last 12 days rallying a coalition of nations to contain the threat of North Korea and he has been promoting trade relations despite pulling out

of the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP.

He tweeted just short time ago this, "after my tour of Asia, all countries dealing with us on trade know that the rules have changed. The United

States has to be treated fairly and in a reciprocal fashion. The massive trade deficits must go down quickly."

President Trump is calling his trip "tremendously successful," saying that he made a lot of friends at the highest level. Mr. Trump made it to Japan,

South Korea, China, Vietnam, and Philippines. China rolled up the red carpet, treating President Trump with that rare dinner inside the Forbidden

City. Part of what China's ambassador promise would be that state visit plus.

Another moment that we will remember, Mr. Trump's response after North Korea called him a (INAUDIBLE), meaning an old person who has become weak

or senile. Mr. Trump asked, why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me old when I would never call him short and fat? Well, he just went on to

say, "I tried so hard to be his friend and maybe someday that will happen."

And in the Philippines, the two presidents, they lavished praise on one another, but ignored questions from reporters about human rights. President

Trump was in Manila for the ASEAN Summit, and also joining us from the Philippines's capital, Matt Rivers. Matt, Donald Trump, you know,

throughout his visit here to Asia, he looked comfortable, confident, you know. In the eyes of the White House, was this a successful visit?

MATT RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, if what the White House decides comes from the top, meaning President Trump, then, yes. Absolutely

the resounding word from the White House is that this was a smashing success over the last 12 days.

I mean, you heard it from the president himself, before he left Manila, he gave a quick press statement and he talked about how he went to Japan and

South Korea and they rolled out the red carpet in China. And here in Manila, he talked about how he reset the relationship with the Philippines.

Under the Obama administration, things were quite bad between the U.S. and the Philippines, and now they are good again. We should know that the

reason why they were bad is because the Obama administration challenged the Duterte administration on these alleged human rights abuses and the drug

war. President Trump for what it's worth did not do that at least publicly here in Manila.

But, you know, the White House seems to be judging this trip on so far is the fact that he had a personal relationship, he was comfortable, he had an

easy time in all five of his stops, he seemed to get along with the leaders in each one of those stops. At least publicly, that's really all we have

because, you know, Kristie, if you're looking at the tangible results from this trip, the concrete items, you could say the president managed to

achieve.

[08:20:00] At least so far publicly we don't have a lot of that. We don't know how he is going to straighten out this so-called unfair trade

relationships. We don't know how he is going to solve the North Korea crisis. A lot of what he has talked about with North Korea has been more of

the same.

And so, you know, at least at this point, the only thing that the White House can point to so far is the fact that he did have an easy time in all

five of these stops. Now we are expecting the president to make a statement on Wednesday or Thursday, what they're calling a major speech, where he is

going to talk about this trip.

So maybe we will get more details on some more specific items that the president was able to achieve. At least at this point, the president seems

to be measuring his success on the relationship that he has created here in Asia.

LU STOUT: As you pointed out, despite the luck of tangible announcements, Trump called it a tremendously successful visit. But what about Asian

leaders? Did they say Trump's visit reassured allies? Did it restore confidence in American leadership?

RIVERS: Well, restoring confidence in American leadership is something that, you know, is a very big term and a very big deal. I'm not sure that

the president coming here managed to (INAUDIBLE) all fears for people like the South Korean president, for example, but I think it matters.

When the U.S. president shows up, goes to your country, makes a speech, goes to Japan, goes to South Korea, (INAUDIBLE) a line on North Korea, is

moderating his tone, doesn't commit any major gap, shows respect to foreign leaders, I think that does matter.

And so I think that leaders in this part of the world do feel that President Trump has their back at least for now. I think whether they judge

it as a success, you know, look at the country like China, for example, I think China is going to look at this trip as a resounding success for

Beijing because President Trump did not challenge them on trade.

He did not challenge them on human rights. He did not challenge them on North Korea. He didn't bring up the One China policy. So I think a country

like China perhaps the most important part of this five-nation stop. I think the Chinese government is extremely happy with the way this trip

went.

LU STOUT: Yes. On issue of North Korea, ahead of Trump's trip to Asia, we were expecting North Korea, that was going to be a potential flash point as

well as the dominant issue. As you mentioned, he struck a moderate tone on North Korea throughout this visit, so after this tour of Asia, where do

tensions stand now?

RIVERS: Well, I don't know that much is changed frankly, Kristie. I mean, we didn't really come to any new conclusion as to how this coalition of

nations is going to solve the North Korea crisis. We heard President Trump say he wants China to do more. We heard that before, frankly. He talked

about Russia doing more. We heard him say that before.

So I am not sure that really that the tensions and the situation on the Korean Peninsula have really have really changed all that much. I think you

saw the North Koreans exercise at least some restraint and not test firing a missile or pushing the button on the next nuclear test while the

president was in this part of the world.

We should note that towards the end of the year, things are usually much quieter in North Korea, so it might not be exactly the cause there. The

president -- it might not be restrained, it could just be a broader strategy. But I'm not sure that the North Korea situation has really

changed all that much as a result of this trip.

LU STOUT: Matt Rivers reporting live from Manila. Thank you so much. Take care. And when President Trump returns to Washington, the Russia probe that

will once again be front and center, as Attorney General Jeff Sessions is set to testify in Capitol Hill, will be facing more questions about

contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump Jr. has released messages that he exchanged with WikiLeaks during his father's campaign. Michelle Kosinski has more.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN SENIOR DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The interactions between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks happened in private

over direct message via Twitter, starting as first revealed in The Atlantic on September 20th last year. WikiLeaks reached out to Trump's son, asking

what he thought of the new anti-Trump website. He responded the next day. "I don't know who that is, but I'll ask around. Thanks."

The Atlantic reports Trump Jr. then e-mailed a number of senior officials, letting them know that WikiLeaks had made contact. On October 2nd,

President Trump's friend and former advisor Roger Stone tweeted, "the damaging material from WikiLeaks was coming."

The following day, Don Jr. reached out to ask about it. "What's behind this Wednesday leak I keep reading about?" Trump didn't get an answer back but

four days later, the intelligence community announced that it believes Russia was behind the DNC hack.

Shortly after, WikiLeaks began releasing fact e-mails from Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. Three days later, these now

infamous remarks from then candidate Trump.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: WikiLeaks. I love WikiLeaks.

KOSINSKI (voice-over): Then October 12th, WikiLeaks was back in Trump Jr.'s DMs, "strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us. There's

many great stories the press are missing." Fifteen minutes later, Trump Sr. tweeted about how WikiLeaks isn't getting enough media coverage.

[08:25:00] Two days later, Trump Jr. tweeted that link that WikiLeaks asked him to post. That same day, Mike Pence denied that Trump campaign was

coordinating with WikiLeaks.

MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Nothing could be further from the truth.

KOSINSKI (voice-over): A spokesperson for the vice president says Pence was not aware of communications with WikiLeaks and first learned the news from

the media Tuesday. On October 21st, 2016, WikiLeaks made a request, a quote, "unusual idea," asking Trump Jr. to leak them his father's tax

returns.

The reason, quote, "if we publish them, it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality." Trump Jr. didn't respond to any more

tweeter DMs from WikiLeaks including, according to The Atlantic, a message on election night urging the campaign to quote, "reject the results of the

election as rigged, if Trump lost," something the Russian government was also planning on doing, according to a report from the intelligence

community. Trump's own CIA director said this about WikiLeaks.

MIKE POMPEO, DIRECTOR, CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: It's time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is, a non-state hostile intelligence service

often abetted by state actors like Russia.

KOSINSKI (voice-over): A lawyer for Trump Jr. responded to the revelation saying, "we can say with confidence that we have no concerns about these

documents and any questions raised about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum."

President Trump meanwhile has been trying to shift attention to Democrats, expressing disappointment on Twitter 11 days ago that the Justice

Department isn't looking into issues related to his former rival Hillary Clinton.

The Justice Department announcing in a letter yesterday that prosecutors are now examining allegations related to the Clinton Foundation and the

sale of the company Uranium One to a Russian nuclear agency and considering whether a special counsel should be appointed.

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LU STOUT: And that was CNN's Michelle Kosinski reporting. Countries in Europe also blame Russia for trying to influence their political affairs.

Spain says groups in Russia use social media to spread false information about Catalonia's bid for independence. Misleading headlines appeared

online including one that claims E.U. officials supported the violence in Catalonia.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARIA DOLORES DE COSPEDAL, MINISTER OF DEFENSE OF SPAIN (through translator): What we know today in Spain is that many of the interventions

were coming from Russian territory. We can't say it for the moment.

We are still in an analysis and research base to determine which entities they are. We can't say with full certainly that it is the Russian

government, but they do come from Russian territory. Some of them, by the way, also from Venezuelan territory. This is what we know for the moment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: And U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May has accused the Kremlin of what she calls weaponizing information as well as planting fake news.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

THERESA MAY, PRIME MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: So I have a very simple message for Russia. We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed.

Because you underestimate the resilience of our democracies. The enduring attraction of free and open societies and the commitment of western nations

to the alliances that bind us. The U.K. will do what is necessary. To protect ourselves and work with our allies to do likewise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Politicians in Russia are speaking out. One lawmaker says that this is absolutely unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations. He says

Theresa May apparently imagines herself to be the new iron lady of Great Britain, diligently copying Margaret Thatcher. He says the grip is clearly

not the same.

More U.S. lawmakers are calling for Alabama senate candidate Roy Moore to withdraw from the race. A fifth woman has come out with disturbing

allegations of sexual abuse. Beverly Young Nelson claims that Moore attacked her in his car when she was 16. Nelson showed reporters her high

school yearbook which she said Moore left her a message calling her a sweet and beautiful girl. But Moore denies he knew her, calling the allegation a

witch hunt.

You are watching "News Stream." Still ahead, we are going to hear from President Trump's former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski. What he says

about Trump Jr.'s exchange with WikiLeaks, coming up.

[08:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream and these are you world headlines.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Canada's prime minister says his country is ready to help resolve the Rohingya crisis. Justin Trudeau says he discuss the crisis

with Myanmar's de facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi and he appointed a special envoy to the region. More than half a million Rohingya fled to Bangladesh

in recent months accusing the Myanmar military of atrocities.

President Trump says he has a major statement to make on his return from five nation tour of Asia, it could come in a primetime address and during

his visit, Mr. Trump focus on North Korea and he spread his America first message on trade.

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is to testify before a House Committee in the coming hours. He is expected to be grilled over what he knew about

contacts between President Trump's election campaign and Russia.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Donald Trump Junior has released exchanges he had WikiLeaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. In one message, WikiLeaks asked him

to push a story by Hillary Clinton and Trump Jr. responded that he already had, and asked about an upcoming leak. Former Trump campaign manager Corey

Lewandowski spoke to CNN's Chris Cuomo about the latest revelations.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: What you make of that series of communications? Do you think Don Jr. should've been doing that with an organization that

Mike Pompeo, Trump's pick for the CIA says is a hostile non-state actor abetted by Russia?

COREY LEWANDOWSKI, FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Look, here is what I think. I think Don Jr. is a private citizen. He can tweet or retweet

anything he wants to and doesn't have a material in effect on the outcome of the campaign and he has a privilege to do that.

I agree with Mike Pompeo. You know, to the best of my knowledge, I have never communicate with WikiLeaks and I can't answer for or speech when

someone else is doing of why they've tweeted or retweeted something that they are asked to do.

That's not my job here and I wasn't anywhere part of that transaction or the history as you clearly indicated at the part of this segment that I had

nothing to do with it. So everything that I would say would be speculation of why Don Jr. did it.

We don't have the full context. So let's give him the opportunity to come out and articulate what happened and why he tweeted or retweeted

something...

CUOMO: He's already talked to authorities. I'm asking you something else. I'm saying, do you think he should have done that?

LEWANDOWSKI: Look, that's not for me to say.

CUOMO: Of course it is.

LEWANDOWSKI: I have no idea.

CUOMO: You were a campaign manager.

LEWANDOWSKI: I was a campaign manager.

CUOMO: You're twisting yourself into all kind of shapes to defend the president and the campaign on different levels. Defend them in this one.

Why was it OK to have that kind of communication with WikiLeaks? A known hostile non-state actor often in this case abetted by Russia according to

the head of the CIA?

LEWANDOWSKI: So look, I don't know when Mike Pompeo made that statement about Wikileaks. My guess is, since he only been the head of the CIA since

January and this occurred in October, I don't know if we knew back in October that WikiLeaks had that same type of notion behind him.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but I don't think it's fair to say that looking back a year ago that we would've known what WikiLeaks was about --

WikiLeaks has been widely, widely reported on every major media outlet for their ability to delineate information particularly the Podesta emails.

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: Delineate? What word is that?

LEWANDOWSKI: OK, so they had them and what they did, is they gave them out and nobody ever said that the information that they give out was false.

(CROSSTALK)

[08:35:00] CUOMO: And I don't know whether they falsified the emails. I know there was some political back and forth about that but they stole

them. They didn't delineate them.

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: You never say, they delineated my car. They stole it.

LEWANDOWSKI: I have no idea how they get the emails. I don't think it's fair for you to say how they get them. We think that they stole them but I

don't know. Chris, you are not a cyber security expert and neither am I.

CUOMO: You don't have to be one. All you have to do is read what the Intelligence Community has said.

LEWANDOWSKI: Which intelligence community said that they stole John Podesta's emails?

CUOMO: They say that they are at the root of the Russian interference. They were one of many different agencies they use, unless you want to get

WikiLeaks covered here. If you believe that WikiLeaks have nothing to do with it, that's fine.

(CROSSTALK)

LEWANDOWSKI: The mainstream media cover WikiLeaks on multiple occasions throughout the campaign for the release of those emails. So you can say

that there are Russian agent or whatever you claim that they are made -- I've no idea and then use them once convenient for the Podesta email chain.

CUOMO: What if we ever used them? What do you thinking about?

LEWANDOWSKI: And you tell you have never covered...

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: Hold on, let's me be clear about this, when WikiLeaks put out the emails, we reported on it. No question about it. There was an issue early

on about whether or not they had packed confidential information or classified information that gets as you know is a former law-enforcement

guy gets fuzzy under the espionage act.

And whether or not you can cash, and nobody has been prosecuted but that was a little of a question but once they came out, we put them out there.

But the idea that they found them, they were hacked -- the emails. Hacking is a crime, you know that, right, Corey?

LEWANDOWSKI: Look, it is a crime and I have no idea how they get the Podesta emails. What we know is that CNN and other networks with that

information covered it because it was news worthy, right?

That's the baseline here. So you took information that you say came from a Russian agent which is WikiLeaks and you perpetuated on your news coverage

because it was news worthy.

CUOMO: Mike Pompeo says that they were abetted by Russia and a non-state actor. So that's you choice, the Trump's administration's choice, for the

head of CIA.

LEWANDOWSKI: I agree but...

CUOMO: We know now that the president's son was corresponding with them during the campaign and that they were trying to get him to cooperate with

their efforst to decimate...

LEWANDOWSKI: Mike Pompeo...

CUOMO: ... and hacked information.

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LU STOUT: We just had to share that with you, that was former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski sparring with Chris Cuomo on CNN's New Day.

You are watching News Stream. Still to come on the program, Donald Trump, he seemed befuddled when a line of world leaders are asked to give the

ASEAN handshake -- the awkward that might just top the rest, next.

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LU STOUT: Welcome back. Now paper is one of the world's oldest inventions. So it's pretty hard to think about a way to revolutionize it

but one man in Japan says that he has come up with something better. A material that is cheaper and in fact, friendlier to the environment.

Here's Today's on Japan.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Don't you dare call it paper. Nobuyoshi Yamasaki is adamant that his material made from limestone and not trees is

completely different.

NOBUYOSHI YAMASAKI, CEO, TBM CO. LIMEX (through a translator): Limex is a revolutionary new material to form from stones which would take place of

paper and plastic all over the world from now on.

RIPLEY: That might sound ambitious but here's why Yamasaki thinks it will actually works.

[08:40:00] Limex starts with, well, limestone, which is then crushed into a fine powder, then mix with a type of polymer then it's rolled out sheets

like traditional paper. Yamasaki says this process is more sustainable because there's no water involved and limestone is an abundant low-cost

resource.

YAMASAKI (through a translator): Limex is important to people economical and ecological. We can save 98 percent more water from the process of

Limex paper compared to making regular paper.

RIPLEY: As for the finished product, it looks like this. It can be used flat or molded into shapes. You can write or print on it just like normal

paper but it's water resistant. It is also durable and really hard to tear.

YAMASAKI (through a translator): Japan has been contributing to the world as a high technician for a long time, so without technology from Japan, we

also want to keep challenging innovation and create industries, and employment by collaborating the companies all over the world.

RIPLEY: Will Ripley, CNN, Tokyo.

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LU STOUT: Donald Trump is known for having awkward handshake moments with world leaders. Remember of course that handshake with Emmanuel Macron in

France. Well in the Philippines, it was no different. CNN's Richard Roth explains.

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RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Audience (ph) please you're your seats. Thank you. It wasn't exactly the thriller in Manila but this star-studded

international lineup led by President Trump gave the audience something they will never forget.

Your majesty, your excellencies, please look at the camera and five us your brightest smile but smiles turn to stranger things, and now for the ASEAN

handshake, right over left in one, two, and three.

The ritual crossover handshake to express friendship and comfort shook Trump off instead. It was a hand too far with the Vietnamese prime

minister on his right and the Philippines President Duterte on his left.

Twitter erupted. What the hell is happening, wrote one viewer. Another said, good luck to whoever has three weeks to get this regional production

of Mama Mia into shape.

Headline shouted, Trump was befuddled in an awkward group handshake, straining with an odd grimace on his face. It has been called truck face,

the same grimace he launched in the driver's seat of a big rig at the White House. So what went wrong?

TONYA REIMAN, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: His height maybe different. The spacing between him and the others made it different. His inability be

flexible enough to move his arms in this position made it different.

ROTH: On this world stage, Trump was outfoxed by Russia whose prime minister declined to cross over. Proof of no collusion at least on one

night in Manila. Richard Roth, CNN, New York.

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LU STOUT: Thanks to that, Richard. And that is News Stream. I'm Kristie Lu Stout. We've got World Sport with Amanda Davies is next.

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