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Latest Strike On Lviv Kills At Least Five People; Nitrate Gas Leaked From A Cylinder At A Squatter Camp On The Outskirts Of Johannesburg Kills 17 People; AI For Good Global Summit Explores The Benefits Of Artificial Intelligence; Bidenomics On Biden's Agenda For South Carolina Trip; Car Crashes Into Primary School Near Wimbledon, Kills One Child; Meta Introduces Threads; First Alzheimer's Drug To Slow Disease Progression, Expected To Get Full Approval From USFDA. Aired 12-1p ET

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JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Julia Chatterley in New York and this is ONE WORLD. And we begin with a dramatic twist in the

aftermath of last month's failed mutiny in Russia. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko says Wagner Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin is currently in

Russia and not Belarus. Prigozhin was reportedly exiled to Belarus last month after his army of mercenaries captured one Russian town, then marched

towards Moscow.

Meanwhile, Russia may be trying to discredit the Wagner boss. State media aired footage of what it claims was a Russian police raid of Prigozhin's

home and office in St Petersburg where gold, guns, cash and wigs were allegedly found. CNN's Matthew Chance spoke with the President of Belarus



MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the Belarusian leader, Alexander Lukashenko, invited us here to the Palace of

Independence, this marble-clad edifice in the center of Minsk. It's one of his presidential offices. For a press conference and what he said was a

conversation about all the dramatic events that have been unfolding over the past couple of weeks, of course, the main interest was the whereabouts

of Wagner, the Russian mercenary group, and its leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin. So, I got a chance to ask Alexander Lukashenko what update he could give us

about that mercenary group that, of course, staged a military uprising in Russia just last month.

UNKNOWN: I wonder if you could provide us all with a bit of an update on the whereabouts of the Wagner leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, is he in Belarus

or not?

ALEXANDER LUKASHENKO, BELARUSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): In terms of Yevgeny Prigozhin, he is in St. Petersburg. Or maybe this morning he

would travel to Moscow or elsewhere. But he is not on the territory of Belarus now.

CHANCE: Also, stunning news there from Alexander Lukashenko. Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner leader, meant to be here. He's not here. His fighters

are not here either. He said the deal is still on the table, is what he insisted, but it has not been finally agreed yet.

Meanwhile, in Russia, on state television, we've been seeing these extraordinary images of what they say is Yevgeny Prigozhin's house, one of

his houses in St. Petersburg, where police have raided and they have seized gold bars, cash, passports, some with false names with Yevgeny Prigozhin's

photographs, and wigs, strangely, which could be obviously used as disguised weapons, as well.

And, you know, it all implies that Russia is sort of moving to discredit the Wagner leader, possibly ahead of arrest, although that's not been

confirmed yet. I spoke to the Kremlin earlier today and they said at the moment they're not commenting on it. But clearly, the deal for Wagner and

its leader to be exiled in Belarus is at the least being renegotiated and that could end very badly indeed for Yevgeny Prigozhin. Matthew Chance CNN

in Minsk, Belarus.


CHATTERLEY: Meanwhile, a Ukrainian city far from the frontlines of the war has become the latest target of a deadly missile attack. The western city

of Lviv has announced two days of mourning in memory of its victims. Officials say at least five people were killed Thursday after Russian

missiles struck an apartment building and other houses. City authorities call it the most devastating attack on civilians in the region since the

war began.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy who heads to Istanbul, Friday, to meet Turkey's president is promising a, quote, tangible response. Ben

Wedeman joins us live now from eastern Ukraine. Ben, I saw that some of these missiles at least struck in the early hours of the morning maximizing

the tragedy because many people would have been at home asleep in bed. What more do we know about the attempts today in recovery and rescue efforts?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Julia, this strike took place at about 2:30 in the morning when everybody was asleep in

bed. Lviv is a city that has been spared some of the harshest bombardment, missile strikes and whatnot, since the beginning of the war. This

definitely is the worst strike hitting civilians since the war began.

Now, they were using -- the Russians were using a caliber missile. That is a hypersonic missile that carries a payload of between 500 and 600 kilos of

high explosives. So, that really explains the extent of the damage, which really is massive. Now, at this point, the death toll stands at five with

almost explosives.


So, that really explains the extent of the damage, which really is massive. Now, at this point, the death toll stands at five with almost 40 people

wounded. Among the dead was a 21-year-old journalist, a woman, as well as a woman 95 years old who had survived the Second World War. Now, one thing

that has emerged in the aftermath of this strike is that 10 bomb shelters in Lviv had been locked shut, perhaps because people assumed that the city

would not come under that sort of attack. And now the local prosecutors launched an investigation to find out who it was who decided that they

should lock those bomb shelters at a moment when they needed the most. Julia.

CHATTERLEY: Yeah, tragedy upon tragedy. Ben, heartbreak for more families there, but also some relief for others, and that is the families of troops

who have been prisoners of war in Russia. I believe 45 of them, confirmed by the president's officers having been swapped and coming home.

WEDEMAN: That's right. This is the 47th such exchange of prisoners between Russia and Ukraine. We don't know the details of the negotiations, but we

have, in fact, just spoken with Russian POWs who would like perhaps to be exchanged, and what they described to us were very grim conditions on the



WEDEMAN (voice-over): No longer on the frontlines, Anton recounts how he ended up a prisoner of war. Back in Russia, he was behind bars for the

third time for drugs. When they put me in prison, I heard they were recruiting. Serve six months, and they pardon you, he tells me. So, he

signed up with Storm Z, a unit made up of convicts attached to the Russian Defense Ministry.

After only two weeks of basic training, he was shipped off to the frontlines near Bakhmut. After days of intense shelling, no food and only

rainwater to drink, he heard Ukrainian troops outside his foxhole. He assumed they would execute him. I thought that was the end, he recalls. I

switched my rifle to single-shot mode and thought, I will shoot myself but I couldn't.

This video, shot by soldiers of Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade, shows the tense moments when Anton and his comrade Slava surrendered. The Ukrainian

troops told them, unlike Russians, we don't kill prisoners. We spoke to Anton, Slava and another soldier in a makeshift jail in Eastern Ukraine,

concealing their faces and not using their real names. The 3rd Assault Brigade granted us access to the POWs and two of their soldiers were in the

room for the interviews. The POWs will soon be transferred to Ukrainian intelligence. They didn't appear to be under duress and agreed to share

their stories.

Slava, also serving time for drugs, said conditions in the trenches were grim. Food was scarce. We didn't have medical kits, he says. His commanders

took all the painkillers to get high, he recalled, and as a result issued nonsensical orders. Morale was terrible.

Sergei was wounded by a grenade before surrendering to Ukrainian troops. He was a contract soldier, not a convict. He completed his six-month contract

in Kherson and went home. But when he hesitated to sign another contract, a military prosecutor gave him a choice, prison or back to the front. He

ended up outside Bakhmut. Under constant Ukrainian fire, discipline collapsed. The officers fled. All illusions were shattered.

It was very different from what I saw on TV, a parallel reality, says Sergei. I felt fear, pain and disappointment in my commanders. A law passed

last year in Russia imposed sentences of three to 10 years for soldiers who surrender voluntarily. If he returns home in a prisoner exchange, Anton may

end up, again, back in a Russian prison.


WEDEMAN (on-camera): But often in these prisoner exchanges, the Russians don't want these convicts turned soldiers. They're looking for officers,

for professional soldiers, for pilots, not these men who received the most basic of training and who are considered, even by the Russian commanders

themselves, to be essentially meat for the meat grinder that is the battle for Bakhmut. Julia.


CHATTERLEY: Yeah, fascinating access, Ben. Thank you for that. Ben Wedeman there. Now, the United States is accusing the Russian military of quote

unsafe and unprofessional behavior after Russian fighter jets interfered with three U.S. drones flying over Syria. The Pentagon released dramatic

video of the incident showing the Russian jets flying around and sometimes in front of the drones which were monitoring ISIS targets at the time. At

one point the Russians released parachute flares in front of the drones forcing the drone operator to conduct evasive maneuvers.

And the Israeli army says it conducted strikes on southern Lebanon in response to rockets fired from there earlier. A Lebanese security source

says the shelling has stopped after Israel fired at least 15 projectiles into Lebanon. Video shows plumes of white smoke rising from one village in

the hilly south. It comes just days after Israel conducted a massive incursion into the occupied West Bank town of Jenin.

One official who visited the site of a poisonous gas leak, meanwhile, in South Africa describes the scene as quote, heart breaking. Authorities say

17 people have died after nitrate gas leaked from a cylinder at a squatter camp on the outskirts of Johannesburg. Forensic workers in hazmat suits

combed the area in the city of Boksburg.

Officials say initial investigations indicate the leak could be linked to illegal mining. CNN's David McKenzie joins us now live from Johannesburg.

David, what more do we know about those that perhaps were injured in addition to those that lost their lives? What more can you tell us?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Julia, certainly there are several people who are very badly sick, I wouldn't say

injured, in hospital, in critical condition, according to authorities, because of this poisonous gas leak. Now, if you look at the video emerging

from this horrible scene of these gas cylinders stacked up very tightly in an informal settlement east of where I'm sitting right now, that was the

scene that the authorities came on late in the evening on Wednesday, and very tragically, several people, men, women and children, at least 17, are

killed by that poisonous gas.

Now, this is also part of a bigger problem here in Johannesburg and South Africa in particular of illegal miners. Now, the accusation is that this

was linked to illegal miners that operate with impunity in many of the disused gold mines that surround Johannesburg. That nitrate is used in the

processing of the soil and of the gold that they bring out illegally. This was the emotional comments from the premier of the province who was on the

scene pretty quickly after this happened.


PANYAZA LESUFI, GAUTENG PROVINCE PREMIERE: The scene was heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking. I regretted why we have to go through that. It was

heartbreaking. So, it's something that we might need assistance personally because the bodies were scattered literally everywhere. As of now, no one

has been arrested, but these gangs that operate, particularly in this province of South Africa, generally operate with impunity and are heavily

armed and often spend weeks, even months, under the ground for this multi- million-dollar illegal business. Julia.

CHATTERLEY: Yeah, that's why I was going to ask you the scale of this, because it's clearly a very profitable business. I'm assuming that that

means challenges in trying to get information from people that might know something in this area, but perhaps are afraid to comment.

MCKENZIE: That's very true and there have been recent pretty horrific attacks attributed to these zama-zamas as they're called. Several months

ago, there was an attack on a tavern in the southern part of Joburg where many people were killed. And part of the issue is that community members

are just too afraid to point fingers at these gang members. Johannesburg, of course, is famous for its gold exploration and exports. There have been

many mines closed over the years because of rising costs and other issues.

Those mines, and I've covered this story before for CNN, there will be people who will dig into those old mine shafts. Many kilometers or miles

deep even under the ground with limited gear, extracting gold and then filtering it into the legal market. It's a major issue for this country,

for revenues of the government, and also a major risk for those who come across these zama-zamas who are often armed as I said with automatic

weapons and aren't afraid to fight against the police or anyone else.


No arrests yet, but if you look at the gear that was found in this informal settlement, it's certainly in keeping with these illegal miners. Julia.

CHATTERLEY: David, great to have you on. Thank you for that report. David McKenzie there. Okay, coming up, amid tech industry cries of impending AI-

driven Armageddon, the United Nations is holding a summit to showcase the ways AIs already helping humanity. When we come back, we'll speak to the

tech executive who delivered the keynote address.

Plus, they picked up and left their homes in droves, hoping to escape Sudan's violent clashes. But instead, hundreds of thousands of refugees are

now facing a new crisis. Dire conditions in camps at home and abroad.


CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to ONE WORLD. We've been inundated lately with scary stories about how artificial intelligence could pose a future threat

to mankind. Well, a new U.N. summit starting today in Geneva aims to prove the opposite. The AI for Good Global Summit brings together more than 3000

leading tech executives, academics, and international organizations to explore the benefits of artificial intelligence. The major themes of this

year's summit include ways of using AI to enhance healthcare to fight climate change and to bridge the digital divide between rich and poorer

communities. The attendees will also discuss governance of AI and ensuring it's used responsibly.

Joining us now is the man who gave the opening keynote address to the AI for Good summit earlier today and he's Werner Vogels. He's the Chief Tech

Officer for Great to have you on the show, Sir. Let's start with cutting through some of the fear and the noise. And I think at the

heart of what was discussed today was, as we said, that there are practical benefits and we're already seeing them in the real world.

WERNER VOGELS, CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER FOR AMAZON.COM: Yeah, you have to imagine that Artificial Intelligence, as we call it, is a field of computer

science that has existed for probably 50 years already. You know, things like natural language processing, text to speech, speech to text,

translation, summarization, all these kinds of things. You know, video and then analytics, image analytics, forecasting, all these kinds of areas of

artificial intelligence are quite mature. Now, the recent launch of some of the newer AI casting all these kinds of areas of artificial intelligence

are quite mature.


Now, the recent launch of some of the newer AI technologies like generative AI is things that we don't know exactly what role that is going to play in

the future, but we'll definitely play a role in that. But where I talk mostly about today is what all, a large number of companies in and around

the world have already been doing in using the current state of AI for good and whether that is helping, for example, with thinking about sort of how

do we make sure we can feed a growing population across the world where protein is lacking and where it's hard to actually grow rice for so many

people. And AI, natural language processing, computer vision, things like that, play a crucial role in that for those companies.

CHATTERLEY: Yeah, I had on my show earlier today the head of innovation at the World Food Programme and they're doing an astonishing amount of things

to improve access, nutrition, all sorts of things which I think we don't talk about enough when we talk about artificial intelligence, at least for


You also discussed the importance of access to data and actually without smart, accurate, efficiently labelled, for example, data, the tools that we

have for artificial intelligence in many ways are worthless. This is a key, fundamental part of the future uses of artificial intelligence. It's also

key to democratize access, I think, to that data to ensure that everybody benefits from this, not just a few.

VOGELS: Absolutely, and definitely when we're talking about using technology for good, you know, not just AI, but technology for good, data

plays a crucial role in that. I mean, all the AI tools that we have developed over the past, let's say in reality 25 years, are useless if we

do not have the data to operate them. And now if you look in the past, data what was called was structured. That means on the forehand we already knew

what kind of questions we wanted to ask and then we started to collect that kind of data.

Cloud computing, for example, has helped to make storage costs drive down tremendously and such organizations can basically store all the data that

they want at fairly low cost. Now, much of this data is unstructured and we know that there are plots of gold or what you would call a needle in a

haystack to actually -- are in that data. And the best way, in my eyes, to find a needle in a haystack is to use a magnet. And machine learning and AI

is actually the magnet to find these unique capabilities in these haystacks.

And especially when it comes to, for example, you just mentioned food programs, there's for example, a young company called Acrobyte that is

looking at sort of how to grow a sufficient number of fish in a sustainable manner so that they can actually feed the growing population of this world.

You know, 20 percent of the world is of our protein intake at the moment comes from fish. But fishing is an extremely damaging industry. You know,

what we have, the great Pacific garbage patch is all about three times the size of France, which is all full of fishing nets and things like that.

So, we need to find more sustainable ways in actually growing protein if you want to feed the world. And this company is making use of computer

vision and IOT sensing and things like that to make sure that these big pens which hold hundreds of thousands of salmon actually remain healthy and

grow the way that they want to. You have to remember that one kilo of fish feed goes one kilo of fish. For cattle, it means you need to feed them

seven kilos of feed before you get one kilo of protein. And as such, you know, fish-farming, aquaculture, is really the future of growing proteins

for us.

CHATTERLEY: I think part of the beauty of this, as well, is that at its core, it's about labor-saving devices. So, it's speeding up the time upon

which we can do the analytics to be able to understand how we improve the efficiency, for example, and ensure we get the best kind of salmon in the

shortest amount of available time.

I think someone described it recently to me as the ability to make all our digital experiences more human in a way, too. And that sort of plays into,

I think, the Amazon hand that you hold here. Do we also have to acknowledge though that when you're creating labor efficiencies like this and saving

devices that there will be some cost to jobs?

We're already hearing CEOs of companies say that today, that actually they're not making hiring decisions because they know that they can do some

of these jobs and automate some of these jobs. Do we also have to balance that with the idea that new jobs will be formed doing other things perhaps,

too? It's -- where's the balance?

VOGELS: Yeah, I think it's good at looking at history. Yeah, I think we have introduced disruptive technologies over the years.


And let me take a simple example, you know, in the early 60s, spreadsheets were developed. It took about 20 years to actually make these spreadsheets

coming into the market. If you look in the 60s -- if you look at most of the banks, they had massive holes with people on calculators. They're

basically human spreadsheets. But when spreadsheets came, let's say, available for companies to use, they actually started replacing these

workers on, but these workers didn't disappear. What we see is something that's called Jefferson's paradox, which means that it looks like if you

are introducing efficiencies into the market, that these jobs will disappear. It actually turns out that you start to do more of it.

A great example is also Cloud Computing. AWS introduced Cloud Computing now more than 15 years ago. People were thinking that data centers would

disappear, workers would disappear, you know, IT would lose all of their workers. It turns out that companies started to do more because of these

efficiencies. And whenever you introduce efficiencies into the market, you see a change of jobs happening.

Now, in the early 1900s, when refrigerators were introduced, it killed the ice business. However, it created a completely different business that was

around fresh food, being able to keep milk longer. There were so many other things that actually were where people that were formerly in the ice

business then went into a different business. What we see is actually an increased use of technologies and increased use because of these

efficiencies that are being created.

CHATTERLEY: Okay, I have to I could ask you lots of different questions now, but I'm going to end on one because I often hear people talk in the

industry certainly about the darker elements of artificial intelligence and I sort of have a sense of how you're going to handle this question but when

people are throwing around words like AI Armageddon and the fear if this isn't regulated properly or it gets out of control, what's your view as the

CTO of Amazon of what the biggest threat around AI is? What is the biggest risk we face if we get this wrong?

VOGELS: I think with all technologies, it's making sure that everybody, first of all, you know, regulators and us creators of this technology are

on the same side. Now, we all want to protect customers and citizens.


VOGELS: But what we need to make sure is that everybody's educated well about what the capabilities of the technologies are and where the risks

are. Now, we really want to take a risk-based management approach to AI, where are the potential risks? And then start looking at how can we

actually regulate that? Now, for areas where there are no risks, you mentioned, you talk about, think about how we can support healthcare, how

we can support inequalities, where we make sure that we can double down and accelerate at the same time.

So, I believe there is no Armageddon in the future, that's in the first place. But also we need to make sure that everybody is educated about what

really the capabilities are and that we're not talking about Skynet and Arnold Schwarzenegger here, but we really talking about simple technology

developed by computer scientists that have -- where we need to educate everyone on what the capabilities are, but at the same time, what are the

potential risks and then work together with regulators and governments around the world to make sure that we put up the right guardrails.

CHATTERLEY: Yeah. Accurate assessment of both the good and the bad and calibrate appropriately when you're regulating and responding. Sir, great

to have you on the show. Thank you so much. I hope we'll speak again soon. The Chief Technology Officer of Amazon there. Thank you, Sir. Coming up --

VOGELS: Thank you very much, Julia.

CHATTERLEY: -- the threat of disease, growing violence against women and a lack of basic necessities. Sudan's conflict creating devastating new

hardships for those caught in the crossfire. We'll discuss.




CHATTERLEY: Hello and welcome back to ONE WORLD with a look at some more of today's headlines. Donald Trump's right-hand man pleads not guilty in a

Miami federal court in the classified documents case. Trump's valet, Walt Norton, was charged on the same indictment as Trump. The Justice Department

says it has surveillance video of him moving boxes of the documents around the property.

U.S. President Joe Biden is on his way to South Carolina. He left joint base Andrews around an hour ago. On his agenda, pushing for the newly-

dubbed Bidenomics and how his administration feels it is reshaping the nation. President Biden will also highlight a $60 million investment from a

solar energy manufacturer.

And in London, a child has died after a car crashed into a primary school near Wimbledon Thursday morning. Police say eight other people were

injured, including six children. They say the driver of the vehicle, a woman in her 40s, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by

dangerous driving.

Now, since violence broke out in Sudan nearly three months ago, more than half a million people have fled the country. And at least two million

others are internally displaced. But many of those trying to escape the fighting are now facing a fresh crisis, dire and even dangerous conditions

in refugee camps, both at home and on the other side of the border. And United Nations officials report a shocking spike in gender-based violence

against Sudanese girls and women.

It's time now for The Exchange. Joining us is Toby Harward, Principal Situation Coordinator in Darfur for the U.N.'s Refugee Agency. Toby, good

to have you on the show with us. The vast majority of these displaced people and refugees are women and children. Can you just give us a sense of

what you're hearing they've experienced?

TOBY HARWARD, PRINCIPAL SITUATION COORDINATOR IN DARFUR, UNHCR: Yeah, thank you, Julia, for this opportunity to talk to you. I mean, I mean, just

before we get into that, I mean, I just want to set out the scale of this catastrophic humanitarian situation that is ongoing in Sudan. In 11 weeks

of fighting, we have now seen more than two million six hundred thousand displaced persons. That's more than 2.1 million displaced internally in

Sudan and more than 600 thousand who have fled across borders into neighboring countries, Egypt, Chad, South Sudan, Ethiopia, Central African

Republic. Many of whom have their own very difficult humanitarian situations. But in very large numbers, as you rightly say, of these

displaced persons are women and children.


Some reports from Chad have up to 80 percent of numbers of refugees being women and children who have been forced out of their homes as a result of

the fighting between the two warring parties. UNHCR and our partners, U.N. agencies and other NGOs are doing whatever we can to scale up protection

activities, but it is astonishingly difficult due to the lack of access, lack of telecommunications, lack of fuel. And indeed, our own national

staff and partners have had to flee in many cases for their own safety.

But for women and girls in particular, you will have seen the press statement put out by senior U.N. officials, that we are extremely concerned

about the huge rise -- spike in sexual violence against women and girls. It is an absolutely abhorrent terror tactic used by the warring parties

against civilians. And certainly, there is a very strong call from the different senior U.N. officials on this to stop, on prevention mechanisms

to be put into place, and for accountability to be held against those fighters, criminals and bandits who are responsible for this huge rise in

sexual violence.

CHATTERLEY: How much worse might this get, Toby? Do you have a sense of scale of how many more refugees we might see, whether it's internally

displaced or fleeing to other nations? Because these numbers are staggering. But if the violence continues, one has to assume this is only

going to get worse, much worse.

HARWARD: I'm afraid to say, Julia, I think you're exactly right. UNHCR is having to scale up our refugee response figures significantly. And it

certainly looks as if now, despite the various intermittent ceasefires, most of which do not hold, that the fighting is escalating into areas not

just for them, Khartoum and Darfur, where the primary fighting has been, but also into areas to the north and to the south of Khartoum. And this

will have, if this continues in this way, if the parties do not look towards ceasing this conflict, it will again lead to many, many more

thousands, hundreds of thousands, possibly more refugees and IDPs. It's an untenable situation that needs urgent international attention.

CHATTERLEY: Can you give us a sense of what conditions are like in some of these refugee camps, too? I mean, I was just looking at some of the details

of what's happening in the state of White Nile and the concerns about a measles outbreak there. Do you have any information that you can give us on


HARWARD: Yes, well, the Doctors Without Borders has already reported 13 child deaths in one of the camps in White Nile State. We have had outbreaks

of measles in other areas, including in Alighton (ph), a major refugee encampment in North Darfur. And we are also extremely concerned about now,

with the arrival of the rainy season, the onset of waterborne diseases, including cholera and, obviously, malaria, to say nothing of the increasing

malnutrition that many refugees are facing.

In some areas, our colleagues and partners from WFP have not been able to go into refugee camps for them to receive critical food assistance. So, we

do expect rising levels of malnutrition. So, it's all together, we are extremely concerned that, again, the threats within refugee camps, within

ITP camps of diseases will only get worse if we are unable to have the humanitarian access to get medication, wash items, nutrition and food into

the more vulnerable areas.

CHATTERLEY: Toby, what I hear time and time again in humanitarian crises like this is a challenge in raising money and support to try and help. And

I've seen just in recent days that there's just a fraction of the requests for support that's so far been raised. What can people do that are watching

this? What can they provide? How can they help if they want to?

HARWARD: Well, I mean, as of now, UNHCR's Refugee -- Regional Refugee Response Program is only 13 percent funded. I mean, there are obviously

donation pages on UNHCR's website, as there are, I should say, on other key U.N. agencies and other partners' websites. But I mean, there are critical,

critical IMGOs carrying out phenomenal work under enormous risk to their staff, who are getting into some of these places.


But again, it's astonishingly difficult to do that. But funding for both the Sudan crisis, I would also point out the huge numbers of refugees that

have crossed the border into Chad in recent weeks. I am the Principal Situation Coordinator for Darfur, UNHCR in Darfur. So, the vast majority of

refugees from West Darfur, where there have been some horrific fighting and displacement going on, have gone into Chad. And Chad authorities have been

doing a phenomenal job in working to support refugees who have arrived en masse in the eastern part of Chad.

And UNHCR and WFP and other U.N agencies are responding, as far as we possibly can there. But more support is vital for both the Sudan operation,

for the regional response program and the chat operation. South Sudan, I should say too, as well. We all need support as we battle to respond to the

best of our capacities.

CHATTERLEY: Toby, great to have you on and to help us understand what's taking place there and thank you to you and your team for the vitally

important work you're doing. Toby Harward there. Thank you, Sir.

HARWARD: Thank you, Julia.

CHATTERLEY: We'll be right back with more.


CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to ONE WORLD. It's no secret, Twitter has faced some challenges since being bought by Elon Musk. And well, that's helped

prompt rival tech giant Meta to introduce Threads, which they hope replaces Twitter on your devices. Threads looks an awful lot like Twitter, in fact,

and with mostly text-based posts and real-time conversations. Meta says 10 million people downloaded it in just the first seven hours.

Let's get some perspective on this social media showdown. Clare Duffy joins us now. Clare, Mark Zuckerberg said he sees this as being a one billion

person plus kind of platform. Small start, but a swift start. What do you make of the platform?

CLARE DUFFY, CNN BUSINESS WRITER: Yeah, I mean, I think if I'm Elon Musk, I am nervous today. This platform really does look like a real copycat of

Twitter. And you can log in through your Instagram. You can port over your Instagram following list to Threads. And so, this is really natural. It's

really intuitive for people to use.


And it sort of feels like the first day of school over there. You have tons of celebrities, journalists, brands trying it out, making their first

thread, comparing it to Twitter, and it seems really good. You know, I think the thing that Meta is going to have to think about, and you have

already heard some executives acknowledge this, is that it's really easy to get people to sign up for a platform.

It's harder to get them to stay on the platform and keep engaging, and so Meta is going to have to continue to build out the functionality of this

app. It's still missing a lot of the things that people like about Twitter, like direct messages, trending topics, that sort of thing. And so, there's

still work to do, but this is a really strong start. Zuckerberg just said a few minutes ago that there are now 30 million people who have signed up for

this platform since its launch last night.

CHATTERLEY: Wow, it's now 30 million, is it?

DUFFY: Thirty million, yes.

CHATTERLEY: Wow, so it's pretty impressive in one day. It's interesting because Elon Musk did tweet about this and he said, it's infinitely

preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter than indulge in false happiness or hide the pain, Instagram, which I do think he's trying to draw

some kind of distinction despite the similarities that we've discussed. Part of the challenge that Elon Musk has faced with Twitter is that he's

tried to monetize it. He's trying to make it become a viable business. Does Zuckerberg do the same with this? Can he do the same with this and does it

matter? Yeah.

DUFFY: I think Zuckerberg may wait a little while. He even said this in a post today. He said he wants to get this app growing. He wants to get

people on the app before he thinks about monetizing it. But of course, in a lot of ways, this could feed directly into Meta's business models. Bottom

line, its business is selling ads on platforms and this is the same sort of thing it can do on Threads.

It also sells user data to third party -- third party companies that track that user data. And so, this is something that certainly can feed into

Meta's business although there are no ads on Threads just yet. I think they're probably going to wait a little while, get people using it, get

people used to it before they go that direction.

CHATTERLEY: Okay. The terminology though is giving me great pain because I keep using the term tweeted on Threads.

DUFFY: Threading doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same way.

CHATTERLEY: No, I'm having a chocker with it. So, but what is the word that you use? If you tweet something, you tweet something. What do you do on

threads? You threaded something?

DUFFY: I suppose you thread something. It's interesting because on Twitter you write a Twitter thread. And so yeah, I mean, we'll have to see. You

post on Threads, you thread on Threads. We'll see what happens.

CHATTERLEY: Threaded with that. Glad to see you. Thank you. Okay, let's move on. U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen arrived in Beijing today. Her

three-day trip is aimed at mending frayed ties between the world's top economies. A Treasury Department official says Yellen and her Chinese

counterpart will have a chance to make quote, serious connections when they meet. She'll also meet with China's premier.

Yellen is expected to bring up issues like climate change and preparing for a future pandemic. The official says no significant breakthroughs are

expected. And Yellen's visit comes as part of China endures devastating flooding. You can see the impact here in these startling pictures from

southwestern China. The floods have killed at least 15 people. Tens of thousands have been forced from their homes and there are fears the

flooding could cause potentially devastating crop damage, as Anna Coren reports.


ANNA COREN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was the last thing this couple was expecting on their engagement day. While driving to the

ceremony, a flash flood in China's central Henan province washed away the car. Their only salvation, scrambling to the roof of the vehicle. Rescuers

used a drone to drop a rope and life jackets to the pair before they were dragged to the riverbank by a crane.

The extreme flooding comes as several parts of China have been hit with torrential rain over the past month, killing at least 15 people in the

southwestern city of Chongqing, according to local authorities and state media, and prompting four counties in the city to issue the highest red

alert warnings.

UNKNOWN: We woke up this morning and saw so much rainwater. The floods submerged roads and crops.

COREN: Neighboring Sichuan province has also been hard hit, where more than 85,000 residents have been displaced, prompting Chinese leader Xi Jinping

to order authorities to quote give top priority to keeping residents safe and minimizing losses. Continuous heavy rain just before the harvest

threatens to ruin crops this year. This farmer in China's Central Henan province says heavy rain has drenched his wheat fields.

UNKNOWN (through translator): After a few days of rain, the ground is very wet and now the harvester cannot enter the fields. We probably need to wait

another four or five days to start harvesting. This is a real disaster.

COREN: To help Henan province deal with harvest losses, China's finance ministry announced it will allocate nearly $28 million to help the farmers.


To help Henan province deal with harvest losses, China's finance ministry announced it will allocate nearly $28 million to help the farmers. But

severe damage to the crops could potentially push China to buy more wheat from the global market, where it's already expected to see less supply, as

the ongoing war in Ukraine continues to curtail its grain exports.

DARIN FRIEDRICHS, CO-FOUNDER, SITONIA CONSULTING: If there is damage to the crop and we're still figuring out how much it is, then it's likely that

China will need to increase its imports next year, so that would obviously have an impact on global prices and an impact on global markets.

COREN: With the seasonal rain slowly shifting north, central China is now bracing for heavy rainfalls. Anna Coren, CNN, Hong Kong.


CHATTERLEY: We'll be right back after this. Stay with CNN.


CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to ONE WORLD. The first Alzheimer's drug to slow disease progression is expected to get full approval from the U.S. Food and

Drug Administration on Thursday. For many suffering from the disease, the drug has not yet been made available to them. CNN Medical Correspondent Meg

Tirrell spoke to a patient who says he's hoping he'll be a candidate for the treatment.


MEG TIRRELL, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Six years ago, Joe Montminy saw a neurologist for what he thought were a few minor problems with his memory.

JOE MONTMINY, DIAGNOSED WITH ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE: Yes, she came back and said, you know what, Joe? You actually have Alzheimer's disease. You're

likely going to start to experience declines in the next five years, and you may not recognize your family in five to seven years.

Now 59, Montminy is one of millions of Americans living with Alzheimer's disease. But this year, new hope emerged. A drug aiming to slow down the

disease's progression got accelerated FDA approval in January, based on the fact that it clears amyloid plaque buildups in the brain associated with


But Medicare declined to cover it until the FDA granted a fuller traditional approval based on a bigger clinical trial proving the drug has

benefits for thinking clearly and being able to function in daily life. Without insurance, the medicine called Lecanemab and sold under the brand

Leqembi costs $26,500 a year.

MONTMINY: You had this treatment at your fingertips? And suddenly you had Medicare saying, yeah, but you can't quite get access to that at this point

in time.


COREN: A larger trial funded by the drug's makers Eisai-Biogen did find that Leqembi can slow the progression of Alzheimer's disease by about 27

percent. It's the first time a drug has proven to alter the disease's course.


Alzheimer's disease and to be told that we don't have anything that will slow down or stop the disease in its tracks.

COREN: Columbia University's Dr. Lawrence Honig says this is the beginning of a new treatment era, but he warns that Leqembi is not a cure and not

everyone will be eligible for the drug.

TIRRELL: How difficult do you anticipate the conversations being with people who are more advanced and maybe are too advanced to benefit from the


HONIG: We're already having these conversations that sometimes aren't so easy. It's not that we know it's not good for people with moderate or

severe disease, it's just that we don't know.

COREN: Side effects could be worse for people with more advanced diseases as well, he says. Already, there's something to be aware of. About 13

percent of patients receiving the drug in its trial had brain swelling, 17 percent had brain bleeding, compared with nine percent in the placebo


Leqembi can be administered through IV infusion once every two weeks. Infusion centers like Vivo Infusion are gearing up for an expected surge in

new patients.

UNKNOWN: In certain areas, I anticipate we will receive probably at least 15 to 20 percent more patient referrals for this drug.

COREN: Joe Montminy is hoping he'll be able to get it for a chance for more time with his wife and two grown sons.

MONTMINY: Like any parent, I would love to see them actually get married and have a family. I just want to experience many of the activities that

most people take for granted. Meg Tirrell, CNN, reporting.


CHATTERLEY: Fingers crossed. That's it for ONE WORLD but stay with CNN. "AMANPOUR" is up next.